Rangers Banter Archive June 01 2015

01 Jun 2015 21:15:51
Totally agree Pauline 72

01 Jun 2015 20:12:18
Ok Mr King, after failing to tell us Plan A, what now is Plan B? Will it be a humiliating "sorry Mr Ashley we didn't really mean to declare war"? And if it is, are people on here prepared to accept that?

01 Jun 2015 22:02:09
Paulineblue72. I am sure mr king and the board will let the supporters no this week where we stand. I expect new manager in place by weekend or next week.season ticket renewal close,so I would expect a lot of developments are coming.

01 Jun 2015 23:40:18
Pauline I read your posts often and they are generally salient and, like I said about gaz previously, extremely valid and at least worthy of healthy discussion and debate. However, this post smacks of unbridled happiness we didn't gain promotion but, in my opinion, for entirely the wrong reasons if you are indeed a rangers fan as your moniker implies. Let me explain why.

I have no issue facing another albeit tough (hibs, st mirren, falkirk, qos) season in the championship where we don't have the added pressure of having to 'compete with celtic', as a previous poster highlighted. It should allow us the time, properly managed (I'm aware you don't believe that can be achieved with king), to sort out the longstanding issues on and off the park whereby we can, fingers crossed, gain promotion next season and at least make a fist of it first season back.

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but your posts, particularly this one, imply you wish us to implode yet again and go through further torment for even longer, if indeed we would still have a club to support. Are you suggesting Ashley is our saviour? If so get the facts re Ashley and newcastle from ed0001 as if king did not slow him down when he did then our club would have been gone from us forever in a deluge of unpayable debt to sports direct. If not Ashley then what are you actually looking for in terms of taking rangers forward? You are not alone in having concerns over king, I have too, but he is not in full control as Ashley was and even Celtic fans I know admit the three bears have our genuine interests at heart. Do you think they will stand by and let him syphon money out the club like the previous leeches or build up incalculable debt to one of his own companies as Ashley wanted to? The answer to that, again only in my opinion, would be no. They offer a genuine check against that happening again.

Honestly, I despaired reading your post, hence the novel (sorry ed lol). You may as well have started with nah nah nah nah nah, turn out the lights now, then you could finally smile and say I told you so and blow a farewell raspberry lol. That being said I actually believe you have genuine feelings for the club but cannot for the life of me work out your motives or why you only ever offer negative opinions and rarely, if ever, positive solutions. Rant over but someone had to say it. Please stop permanently highlighting what we all know is wrong (deeds, etc etc) and throw in opinions of your ideal way forward for a change. You're clearly an intelligent individual, I'm sure you have something contributory in a positive sense waiting to come out.

{Ed001's Note - interesting post mate, you made some good points.}

02 Jun 2015 09:56:47
Spart7 I tried to reply to your post in the other thread regards Ashley but it never got posted. I didn't have an answer for Ashley short of the fact that he hates publicity and between MP's investigating him, Dispatches TV show and Dave King he is being dragged through all forms of the media with his dealings being made very public.

I agree about the three bears 100% but I think Pauline makes fair comment regards Dave King, as yet he hasn't delivered one thing. Nomad's in a matter of days etc were words straight from his mouth. Four years ago Whyte took the reins and I'm sure there would be a palpable release of breath if finally an Ibrox CEO made a pledge and delivered it exactly in the time scale promised. I don't know if King is the guy to give you that Spart7 and after a disappointing end to the season it is only natural that his pledges and plans become the focus again of Rangers fans such as Pauline.

Folk are jittery right now, you can see it even in here and other forum's, bears turning on bears, taking everything far too literally, Noddy mistaking Mullad, Ally mistaking Timalloy and numerous claims of "are you really a gers fan?" or whatever. I don't doubt the sincerity of any of you but the problem is like this whole fiasco from the day Craig Whyte walked through the door there are people with different levels of cynicism or faith in each player in each regime and it has led to an almost stuttering rebellion at every turn. Unified you do not do not till very late in the day at least.

02 Jun 2015 14:50:26
Cheers ed, I do try lol. Being completely honest gaz we, as a support, have never been in unison and sadly probably never will be. I also have no issue with Pauline being anti king (not saying I'm pro king btw) and I applaud her asking tough questions we all want answers to, however we are in a more positive situation boardroom wise than we have been since Murray sold us down the asset stripping river (not necessarily meaning financially, more fiscally). We no longer have an individual or mysterious cabal blatantly taking every penny they can from the club. The breakdown of shareholders no longer allows that currently. Ashley is admittedly a huge shadow over the club but the showdown this month where king will answer Ashley's concerns re nomad, delisting etc whilst revealing exactly what sd is taking from the club for his zero investment (loan aside) will be very interesting and show if we can move forward on that particular financial front. Furthermore, the fact warburton is even considering us is more positive news and a sign the board want progression. 11 'players' gone is yet another positive in my book. Means we have a chance to get it right on the pitch at the third time of asking without 11 overpaid duds draining the wage budget at the same time. What I'm really saying is I think king is the best of a bad bunch and if he doesn't deliver then it'll be a helluva lot easier to sideline him than it was with green, Ashley etc but nothing yet screams ill intentions to me like it did with our previous incumbents. I know you hate the phrase 'give him time' but in my view this summer will reveal his true ambitions and intentions for the club. I'm willing to wait and see where we are by august before condemning the guy. If the season begins and the club still lacks a basic if not proper infrastructure, has no long term manager or decent squad to work with then I will begin to worry about king and his motives. Until then I'm actually positive and excited about a summer involving rangers for the first time since this all began.

02 Jun 2015 19:25:55
i can't beleive some of the posts about king and 3 bears they do have the best interests of the club at heart they will suceed there has been a lot going on behind the scenes which makes it difficult to make comments about ashley etc but if they had not spent a lot of money buying shares to wrestle the club away from ashley green and co where would we be now certainly not in a position where the only real debt we have is to ashley we will have a new manager in we have got rid of most of the deadwood we have some promising young players who look as if they will be real rangers players so everthing is not all bad what we must do now is play our part and renew our tickets we have all the supporters groups rangers first etc all in aposition to help the club with king and co willing to to give them a say in the running of the things no one 9 months ago no one would have beleived possible so as I say things ain't that bad

01 Jun 2015 18:00:01
What do fellow bears think about frank de boer to be our next manager am not saying it will happen but it's a good shout what do fellow bears think

01 Jun 2015 18:08:32
Get real . Rangers are a 2 bob outfit just now

01 Jun 2015 18:53:48
Choo boy that sounds like a supporter from the other side of the city and on hear to gloat

01 Jun 2015 18:59:48
be lucky to get Frank Spencer the way things have been going lately.

01 Jun 2015 15:28:02
Ok, we are where we are. First thing to sort out is the manager's position. I have wanted Macinnes to be in charge for last couple of years. I still would like to see him here, but I am also open to Cathro coming in. After all the new board did state they hoped for a new direction. Big spring clean needed in the player department. Personally I would not bother with Vukic. Biggest investment has to be in the youth, with some young but experienced players coming in ie Allan. That's what I would like, not saying I expectit to happen though.

01 Jun 2015 15:44:19
Vuckic is a good player and lots will be leaving, it will be interesting to see what happens to Templeton, where is he? More talent and ability than most people in Scotland yet he's been awol all season.

01 Jun 2015 18:52:05
McCall binned Templeton after he came out praising McCoists cutting edge training methods and tactical finesse.

01 Jun 2015 18:55:37
Temps has been hiding in house in stepps out the road cause he has been found out to be an imposter like the rest of that squad

01 Jun 2015 20:42:02
templeton was never given a run of games in the team. He would come on do well then start next game if I didn't workout he was subbed and back on the bench next week while imposters like Law played week in week out. McCall blundered not playing him in the play offs

02 Jun 2015 07:18:22
While we appear to be living in fantasy land, why don't we get mourinho in and then sign messi and ronaldo. The club is hemoraging money at the moment and Ashley wants his 5m back. So before rangers spend on a manager or players they need to do d around 20m just to balance the books. Where is that money coming from? If you think the current regime are going to pump it in out of the kindness of your heart then you are mistaken.

01 Jun 2015 14:09:45
All the managers who have sat in the Rangers dugout this season have looked that loast that I don't think even Google could find them!

01 Jun 2015 14:56:00
Haha that's good

01 Jun 2015 13:43:48
1st time on this page but just a wee post to see who fellow bears would like to see as manager and summer signings that are possible for us to get us back to where we belong

01 Jun 2015 11:15:33
Listen to neil mccann this morning on sky sports news everything he said was correct new management whole new team get the fear factor back at ibrox any ideas of players we could sign and if mccall does not get job who would fans like as manger aye would like to see big terry butcher as manager does anyone agree

01 Jun 2015 12:21:31
Neil Mccann is a top bloke who always talks sense from from the proper orifice unlike some ex players,would love to see him involved with any new coaching setup.

01 Jun 2015 12:23:25
When it comes down to making a decision on who becomes manager the board will have to consider the impact on season tickets, I have no doubt sales will fall pretty significantly from this past season. Would keeping McCall in position or bringing in Butcher boost season ticket sales? I don’t think so. It has to be a fresh approach with no jobs for the boys nonsense.

01 Jun 2015 12:29:45
i think everyone would prefer to see a whole new direction by the the club and terry butcher ain't a new direction should be doing everything in our power to persuade mark Warburton and david weir to come as his assistant

01 Jun 2015 20:54:15
Its absolutely crucial that we get it right,we MUST get promoted next season.Failure is not an option.Hibs are already set,Falkirk looked good in the final there. St Mirren.It won't be easy trying to mould a new team,Hibs could be out of sight by November while we try to find a blend.Big season.

01 Jun 2015 21:51:47
i don't want terry butcher anywhere near ibrox

01 Jun 2015 09:47:34
MacCall first task as manager to extend McCulloch contract?

01 Jun 2015 10:21:35
Glad to see we can still retain our sense of humour.

01 Jun 2015 06:05:30
A wee parable for the folk out there that for some reason uknown to people that understand how football works say that today and this seasons debacle is not entirely one Alistair McCoist's fault.

I am for debate's sake the Site Manager for a Timber Merchant and Kit House Builders, the Company hires me for £850k a year and tells me I can likely win a 25 year contract. They give me carte blanche run of the business to do my way.

I immediately go home and contact all my old building trade pals. I sign 15 Plumbers , 3 Sparks, 5 Plasterers and no finishing joiners.

At the beginning we do not bad but eventually after countless houses collapsing and people demanding better tradesmen I am sussed out by my Bosses as a flybynight no use Site Manager only caring about the £££ and keeping my pals happy, ffs I even let them fire the nail gun at my ar*e on the building site.

A new Site Manager comes in to try and get the company back on track and finds out he has no JOINERS just all jack of all trade past their best labourers.

When the company eventually goes bust and gets taken over by a successful Edinburgh Kit House Specialist with a streamlined well trained staff of surprise surprise mostly JOINERS do we blame the current Site Manager because it all went t*ts up to quote a poster on here or was the problem the original Site Manager who set EVERYTHING up wrong in the first place.

In business a certain Mr McCoist would have been sacked and sued for gross mismanagement receiving NO pay after he was sacked and forfeiting company shares also. Only in football with the disgraceful Corporate bad governance would a failure and detractor like McCoist ever have got away with this.

Does that make it a wee bit clearer for the jyf's of this world?

New Era New Dawn we can only get better we cannot ever get worse.

I am never getting my garden landscaped by a company from East Kilbride trading out of Bridge of Weir.

01 Jun 2015 06:59:48
Except Smith was the man required to sort out the problems of his apprentice?

01 Jun 2015 07:56:16
Got to say KT's post is spot on. Some of the posts say let's look forwards and not backwards but there's a lot to be said for a post mortem right now and that includes an analysis like that above.

Most here have written over the years expressing their anger at McCoist's reluctance to risk youth and at his agonising loyalty to his journeymen signings. I'm sure a lot of these let him down badly and he paid the price. He went all the way to Honduras to sign Peralta when young Charlie Telfer was down the road at Murray Park. As others have posted, the list goes on and on and the lost opportunities of the likes of Robertson and Allan have been mentioned.

A clear out is about to happen and people are saying they want players who will give their all for the jersey. Fair enough but I'd go first for players with real talent and technical ability. That's Jose Morinhou's starting point so it's good enough for me. We need younger, faster players in all positions and with a limited budget we've got to look at players like Walsh, Murdoch and Gasparotto as 1st 11 choices. I's like to see us try and get McLeod back and Allen in. Telfer too. Danny Wilson would be a great signing to partner Gasparotto, if we can afford him. A lot depends on the depth of the Board's pockets but I do believe if we put out a young team with flair that the crowds will buy into it and the gate receipts justify the expense. The risk is a half empty Ibrox next season and supporters lost for good if we don't make drastic changes.

As for the OP, it captures the cause of where we are and sends out a message for all and whoever is appointed manager, let's hope he's forward thinking and a risk taker.

01 Jun 2015 08:12:21
Ps foundations for this were reinforced at the delayed AGM 2013 with Greenock bus drivers clinging to power with change going a begging.

01 Jun 2015 08:13:58
So how's the nailed arse healing up?You never said what happened to your auld pals KT?

01 Jun 2015 12:30:32
Good post. Rangers now have a 2nd chance to rebuild. When Supa Ally was winning titles nobody cared that they were getting knocke dout of cups by lttle teams or losing cup finals to little teasm becasue the targte was the top league. Over the last 3 years attendances have dwindled becasue the product on the park has been very poor and it has been highlighted further when they met Dundee Utd, Celtic and Motherwell.

Will Rangers have a squad capable of winning the league next year, weel they have about 6 weeks to get a manager, backroom team and a whole new raft of players meanwhile at Hibs they are already prepared and now adding the wee bits and pieces they think they need. St Mirren have a good young squad and they will be decent next year, plus they have a good young manager in place. QOS have added some more quality to their squad and Falkirk will eb better again next year so already the clock is ticking. Is McCall the man, well he brought in a lot of players at Motherwell for next to nothing and moulded them into a good team 2 years running, this season it didn't quite work but is he worth a chance? Problem is, Rangers aren't in a position to take chances, they need proven and they need it now, right now. Time for the Rangers men in the blue room to come out of their bunker and tot tellt he fans how they are going to sort this, the days of blaming everyone else are now gone, this is their time. tick tock

01 Jun 2015 19:04:25
KT, how does that explain anything to me? We have strikers we have midfielders we have defenders and we have goalkeepers, the first new manager came in half way through the season and was crap so we got another in who in my opinion was also crap and both were worse than the original manager who, if left in his position, would stand or fall by HIS OWN results and we would have clear accountability. KT he left us in the SF of the league cup and the 5th round of the Scottish cup where our first new manager was in charge of a defeat to a team that the original manager beat 6-1 the same score where our second new manager managed to lose by in the play off. You also fail to blame the directors of this company for anything like selling your best tradesman from under you in your silly analogy.

01 Jun 2015 00:33:01
I know it might sound stupid but I think we should really follow on what Celtic done and bring in a manager with sort of the same ideas as Ronny diela has, someone that isn't worried to come in and change the whole training regime and what the players eat, make the training more intense and eventually the players would reap the rewards later on in the season if someone like that was about i'd want rangers to target him or someone with the similar ideas to be put in place as director of football and have a young and coming coach under him with fresh ideas play attacking football none of this launching the hit and hope ball into the box the whole game and aswell as that bring in fresh, exiting young players like vuckic, Scott Allan maybe Ryan Christie aswell etc it would be a start and the right was in my opinion

01 Jun 2015 07:10:11
Certainly any new manager will or should have own squad of players going forward from day 1.

No rebellious legacy players as Le Guen had?

Indeed the "start from scratch" point should encourage a number of free thinking managers to set up a new regime

01 Jun 2015 09:50:49
Iv said many times before we would be far stronger if we had stuck with Le Guen - I know financially things have fallen apart for Rangers but I honestly think that given the chance and time he would have installed a completely different mind set at Rangers and we would have reaped the long term benefits. In fact Rangers did more damage to his future than he did to ours! We as fans also have to look at ourselves here, we need to be more patient as to sort this mess out properly is going to take a lot of time and effort and I think there will be a few barren years ahead.