Rangers Banter Archive June 01 2011

01 Jun 2011 23:39:20
A lot of people post on here that they would like Rangers to sell young John Fleck, which I believe would be a major mistake.

John has been talked about as the next big thing in
Scotland since he was 15 years old. That is a major pressure on a young mans shoulders. He then became the youngest player ever to appear in a British Cup Final at 16 in 2008. Then, Flecky boosted his profile even more with a run in the team between January and March 2009 and he really stood out, even in a midfield with Davis, Mendes and Ferguson his class showed. He also put in a man of the match performance against AC Milan at Ibrox in a mid season friendly.

Now, since then his form and development has stalled slightly, which may be down to a poor attitude, as has widely beeb reported. However I feel that his head has gone down, maybe due to a a conflict of opinion with Walter. Walter clearly felt the best approach was to ease Fleck in, whereas his performances and ability back then suggested he should have continued to play every week despite his age. Rooney done it, Milner done it, why couldn't we with Fleck?

My concern is that, after bringin through a lad who has so much ability (this is unquestionable), we cannot afford to let him go and fulfill his potential elsewhere, ie Charlie Adam.

Hope he gets a run next year to prove how good he really is.

Any thoughts on Fleck ed?

Steven {Ed001's Note - I would keep him, given a run in the side, and the right coaching, he will be a fantastic player for the future.}

I agree, I don't think we should sell Fleck but I would loan him out to Dundee Utd, Aberdeen or a team in the championship. He needs games and needs to find his best position. Rangers cannot afford to have passengers in the team; even with our minimal squad last season and with his supposed creative ability, he hardly featured.

Graeme

01 Jun 2011 22:18:29
Just saw on skysports news that berbatov aint leavn man u and owens signd a new deal so mayb nw thatl put this jelavic pish tae bed he aint goin nowhere and tae the tit that says fatty hoopers the best young prospect in scotland shut up stevie naismiths ten times the player works ten times harder and sets up alot of goals aswell as scorin his fair share the boys an all rounder where as fatty hoopers a poor mans kris boyd And the other manky fan that says norwich want jelavic and are payin 3mil risin tae 5 GET A GRIP why wud super sell the most technicaly gifted player tae play in the spl since gazza n laudrup and one eh the hottest prospects in european football for less than we payed wen hes worth atleast 15 mil mayb more goin on what sum tits dwn south are bein bought for namely torres plus why wud jelavic leave n go backward.BROGIE 82

01 Jun 2011 21:55:14
so what happened to this BIG signing today? why do people keep saying mcgregor and bougherra are leaving? we have just been taken over so there is no need to sell. WE WANT TO BUILD A TEAM NOT BREAK ONE UP, so stop with the sh*** and think positive not negative.

HERE COME'S 4 IN A ROW

01 Jun 2011 21:12:58
Was interested to see Eidur Gudjohnsen has become a free agent. I think, although he may be a bit older and lost a yard of pace, that he could be a very decent signing for Rangers. Would add a bit of class and excellent experience in Europe. Any thoughts ed?

Steven

{Ed010's Note -Steven, experience is something you need in every team and he certainly has that in abundance. It really is a question of whether Ally sees him as being an advantage to our team.

He is rank rotten don't want him anywhere near ibrox

01 Jun 2011 21:18:02
Gary Hooper is not a Rangers fan.

garry hooper is not the hottest prospect in scottish football

01 Jun 2011 20:59:41
Gerard houllier steps down as Aston villa manager

Anybody think walter will take the job if offered

01 Jun 2011 20:06:55
Ibrahima soncko was released, would be a solid defender and available on a free transfer, what you think Ed?

{Ed010's Note -There is no doubt that Ibrahima Sonko is big solid defender but I would like to use him as an example of the problem that exists for all football managers. At the end of every season, managers will have collated a list of players that they know will be freed by their clubs. Based on these lists, the managers will identify players that they see as being an asset to their team and Ally will be no different in this regard. As the days pass by and as the transfer window approaches, this "list" will continue to grow, with the addition of new names being added like Sonko. The fear that every manager has is signing a player, only to find that a "better" player becomes available. That is why I would be surprised if Ally was to make a move for Sonko at this stage.

01 Jun 2011 19:59:56
Rangers to sign Brazilian CB Rafael Toloi for £3,000,000 Euros, (his minimum fee release) Very quick, strong in the air and has an amzing long range shot! Ive heard this from a reporter friend in spain who told me that he was on the verge of siging for malaga, but they could'nt agree a set minimum fee release (which all spanish clubs need to offer in there contracts) Now everything is 90% done with rangers and he is currently meeting with 2 rangers representitivs in london, ( that's where his agent is based). Expect to hear something either this evening or the weekend.

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who does he play for, and it's a lot to pay for a player i've never heard of (2.6 million roughly


Rafael toloi plays for brazillian team goias
He is a promising centre back and last year was on several serie a teams wish list with a price tag of 10 million on him but after a quite unsuccessful season his price tag must have dropped dramasticly
I've seen him in several games last season and he has the ability to change a game and like big boogie he likes to get forward too and he has a shot that has been compared to roberto carlos's
In my opinion he would be a bargai at 3 million

Wilson 91

Is her consistent from what you have seen, Wilson 91? And even during his current ''Off-Season'' how would you rate him?

Sadly doubt this will happen as chelsea and man utd are interested aswell as real madrid

01 Jun 2011 19:52:53
listen guys. Whyte and the consortium he is fronting will sell before they buy. .so don't believe what your reading on the rumors page. . any player they buy will have a sell on value. .these guys are not like SDM. they are NOT here fot the long haul or self publicity. sausage bear

At last, a Rangers fan who can look out and see the bigger picture. Craig Whyte is only here for the short term (5/6 years max) to turn the club into a viable selling asset in his portfolio. That is what all his collapsed businesses have done over the years. As for self publicity I would disagree after his actions with the league trophy. Even Diouf wouldn't have had done that. Mr Whyte and Mr Ellis will court self publicity as they have shown throughout the take over and Mr Ellis' previous attempt to buy the club. I have read some silly post about John Greig on here but I tend to agree about why the greatest ever Ranger, who has a statue outside the stadium and should be shown the same respect as Billy McNeill is at Celtic, put his neck on the line to speak out about concerns over the take over? He has done a lot more than Mr. Whyte has, or probably will ever do for the club and yet his opinions are shunned to the side by so many. I think this is the beginning of a roller coaster ride for Rangers that will have highs and lows, success and failure but will it be the best for the long term at one of the worlds biggest clubs, time will only tell.

TheCatcherInTheRye

You might be right guys, but tell us all how you know "Whyte and the consortium he is fronting will sell before they buy". Have you been in the board room meetings? Let me guess, You have a friend who's uncle's cousin's granny works as Craig Whyte's secretory.
His business record does have a few failures on it but if any man was to use rangers to self publicize then run it into the ground, he would generate so much hate for himself that it wouldn't be worth it. He would be right up there with Neil Lennon.

01 Jun 2011 19:30:44
Hi everyone for a change I have some news, Im usually just on the banter page having a laugh or a go at celtic fans but this time I got some genuine news. . My wee cousin is on his way to ayia napa and who was also going there. .only david goodwillie and my cuz bein a fellow bear only asked what every bear wants to know. .are you joining rangers and david goodwillies response was he wasnt joining us because apparently we don't want him. .this may be to put my cousin off from asking anymore questions but this is 100% genuine. .I post on the rangers page all the time but never with genuine gossip just usually having a joke and a laugh but this is for once transfer related rumours from me. .

Tam-Sir 1873 and ED can you back me up on this as I do post regularly. .

{Ed010's Note -Yes Tam-Sir 1873, you do post regularly

thats funny because he was in magaluf with my mate two weeks ago sayin he couldn't talk about it

It was on his twitter last night saying he couldnt wait to go 2 napa

01 Jun 2011 18:56:56
I don't want to put a damper on everyones hopes of us signing Petric, I do belive he would be a great player for us. However, I don't think in this day and age Rangers cab afford to go and spend over £2 million on a player who is 30. It may be worth it if he had a fantastic first season and then we sold him on. I'll admit I have no idea how much he would cost so if my figure of over £2 million is incorrect please let me know. I just think that nowadays Rangers need to focus on signing players that we can sell on for a profit ie. Cuellar, Boumsong. I know that is not what most fans want but we are no longer financially capable of buying players in their 30s and not selling on, my concern here being Petric is only good for one or two seasons.

GovanFR

01 Jun 2011 19:40:16
if Jelavic gets a release clause i hope Martin Bain has nothing to do with the negotiations or it will be 2 mars bars and a bag of crisps sausage bear

01 Jun 2011 17:25:13
when ally mccoist was quoted as saying rangers want to "re-sign as many of the players who helped win the league this season" then I'm more than convinced that one player he is talking about is Kenny Miller. Kenny has made statements to the press that he misses ibrox, so I don't think this transfer is way off!

He is referring to contract renewals

01 Jun 2011 17:09:13
so much for the rangers signing today! surprise surprise another load of bull.

01 Jun 2011 16:08:27
Toche has scored 32 goals in 66 games for cartagena, and would be a great addition to a minimilistic rangers team however they face tough competition from wigan but it may look promising.

He would provide good competition for a starting place

01 Jun 2011 15:53:42
Why would we buy chimbonda if he has been released by qpr?

Why do people disagree with FACTS?

01 Jun 2011 14:38:54
Just heard diouf going to west ham. Rangers not prepared to match his wages.


We'll welcome him down the Den with open arms

Good coz i hate that guy

01 Jun 2011 14:05:18
Ive heard West ham fans are talking alot about boogie is there any truth in this. I know he is prob set to leave but how much will we expect to get for him?

01 Jun 2011 13:41:40
just seen 2 players walk into murray park 1 was thomas hitzelsberger the other was james mcfadden

Did they get off a bus?
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Ed any chance u can stop the hitzelsperger rumours gettin posted there is no way gers are taking a guy that is past his best has no resale value and is/was on mega bucks at west ham . . y on earth would gers want him vice versa?!

{Ed010's Note -I have read your response and will turn the tables on you, just for the sake of debate. Do you categorically know for a fact that Hitzlsperger is not on Ally's radar. The answer has got to be know and therefore, you are posting an opinion (about resale, wages etc) based on "non factual" information. A rumour is exactly the same, it is information that is posted by readers and can loosely be classified as an opinion, an opinion based on "non factual" information.

I do intercept and delete posts that are so outrageous and incredible (Messi, Ronaldo etc) but everything else is uploaded as long as it conforms to site rules. Cheers Ed10

I will intercept

Fair do's ed there is a slight possibilty (despite walter ally and white all confirming that gers need to start making business on their purchases (this was quoted) he would not fall into this category. . primarily the reason that posted was cos every day were gettin the exact same rumours of people posting hitz. . all im saying is there only needs to be one post not 10 of them.

{Ed010's Note -thanks again for your post and I concur that the same names keep appearing, time after time. What I have to take into account, is that fans enjoy seeing their individual post being published on the website. I know that when I was posting a rumour, an opinion or just a piece of banter and it was published, I felt a sense of belonging to the site. I also felt that someone was "listening" to my views and that also gave me a little pleasure.

It is striking a happy balance, between the same names being posted repeatedly and disappointing readers, who might never visit or post again, simply because they think their views are not considered as being worthwhile.

There are times when I have to call a day on threads, especially when numerous posts are duplicated with the same question or information. Lat night, a rumour surfaced about the Hamburg striker Mladen Petric and the fact that he was at Murray Park having a medical. Within one hour, there were over 50 responses, all asking the same question or posting their views. I made a decision to use only one response, added the reason why and closed the thread. Under these circumstances, people will have been disappointed that their response was not published but I hoped that my reasons for doing so were understood.

01 Jun 2011 13:07:58
rangers looking at young french striker Benjamin Moukandjo Bil who plays for monaco

Hes from cameroon

01 Jun 2011 13:35:33
Jelavic won't be going to Newcastle as he stated Man United would be hard to turn down but if it were Newcastle United he would rather stay at Rangers

01 Jun 2011 10:26:29
Im a serving soldier posted in germany, and i follow Hamburg SV. there are talks of him going to Rangers but who ever said they seen him at murry park is having a laugh! i seen him the same day at about 1200ish in the town of Bad Fallingbostal. Why lie about him being at murry park???

ed any real rumours mate?

{Ed010's Note -Greetings from Scotland. I am glad to say that you are one, of only a handful of people, who have stated that they are somewhere else outwith the UK and actually is.

As you will no doubt be aware, there are no "real" rumours and equally there are no "unreal" rumours but the difficulty is trying to establish which rumours may have a little truth behind them. Unfortunately, there is no magic formula to work it out and as a consequence, it is just down to gut reaction. At the moment, none of the rumours are tying up with anything concrete but that could chance at any time. Keep visting and we may have something concrete in the not to distant future (hopefully)
Cheers Ed10

01 Jun 2011 13:09:56
bougherra won't leave for a championship side

01 Jun 2011 13:04:51
rangers looking at wing players chris burke and Jimmy Kebe

01 Jun 2011 11:28:13
Have a look at Mladen Petric on YouTube. He is amazing! ALLY SIGN HIM UP!

01 Jun 2011 11:24:41
for th people who keep linking the repubic of ireland players to us it just aint going to happen, after all of the stuff that happened with neil lennon why wold they want to join us and risk all that happenng to them. I also think it could hamper either side of the old firm signing players that have families for example i know that he would never come anyway but if beckham ever fancied playing for either side of the old firm I doubt he would come now and a yung talent might not come because of pressure from his parents

01 Jun 2011 09:59:39
Tomer Hemed an Israeli striker 24 years old from Maccabi Haifa on a free transfer is likely to replace David Healy; Ian Durrant is going to watch him for Israel. He scored 17 goals in helping Maccabi win the league.

Dusan Tadic has been linked with us mostly on rumour sites so not the most concrete evidence we are looking at him but lots of people linking us with him. Tadic would be an excellent signing 22 year old Serbian goal scoring left winger currently playing for FC Groningen in the Dutch league. Joined them last summer for 1.2m so I think 2.5m would get him and he has stated he is very interested in playing Champions League football.

As for the guy who is saying Goodwillie 2.2m with Fleck and Little on loan with an option to buy Little. Why would they sign an out of contract player on loan with a view to buying him?

Goodwillie is just a waiting game. We will sign him just a matter of when and 2m max.

01 Jun 2011 09:47:06
Rangers will this week intensify their interest in Israeli striker Tomer Hemed as Ally McCoist targets his first summer signing.
The Maccabi Haifa player is available on a free transfer and has caught the eye of the new Ibrox boss.

Source Daily Mail

01 Jun 2011 09:19:22
Was at the Quay last night watching the Hangover 2 and spotted James McCarthur of Wigan. I openly asked him if he was here to sign for the Rangers but he just laughed and said I wish. It would be a great signing for us IMO. Just thought I would pass on incase anyone else has any other thoughts.

He was probably just visiting his family though but reckon we could be doing with his battling in the midfield.

Big John Knox

01 Jun 2011 02:09:43
coisty has confirmed interest in tomer hemed from israel amd there has also been talk of conway signing also mcgregor is high on the list for rednapp but with a 5m price tag i think its a joke for me he is better than gordon and should stay with us i almost choked when i heard there could interest in mcmanus from middlesborough lol we don't want him norwich have confirmed they are releasing 3 players 2 of them i think would be good signing for the gers one specifically being matt gill who i think would play a great game for us i feel rangers would be good raiding the championship and also even league one for half decent players and stop trryin too approach silly attempts like berbatov even if he was interested there would be no way we could afford his wage we should start thinking realistic but would love too see hemed signed i also think we should look at brazil some of the young players playing there are unreal and would light up the spl what u think ed

{Ed010's Note -Brazil is a problem as young players from there could struggle to get a work permit but other than that, I agree that it would be a great idea to tap into their natural resources.

01 Jun 2011 01:26:37
01 Jun 2011 00:51:37
All the rumours about Jelavic going to Manchester United are nonsense. Three EPL clubs have made contact with Rangers and are being quoted a price of £5m. The player has expressed his desire to move south after his agent drummed up interest in him. Newcastle, Wigan and Bolton are the clubs showing interest so far with Blackburn also looking at the player (Kean keeps a close watch on the Scottish scene). With none of these teams involved in Europe, Jelavic would like to stay to help ensure CL qualification for Rangers to aid the club and appease the fans, who he has taken to his heart. Believe this or not but it has came from a VERY reliable source.

TopAgent

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I find the figure of £5million belittling considering he enhanced his reputation greatly last season and considering we paid £4million for him, £5million is not enough! Reading are trying to demand £20 million for Shane Long for goodness sake!

Also, in regards to the initial post, Jelavic has been quoted elsewhere saying he is happy at Rangers but if Man UTD came calling he would have to say yes but if Newcastle UTD came calling he'd say no.

Reading don't want £20 million for Long. The chairman said it tongue in cheek. If you read the full interview you would realise this, but it seems a common trait to just pounce on what you personally wants to hear. If Jelavic has came out and said this and you believe him, why don't people believe Izaguirre and Kayal who have both made similar statements? Why do Scottish fans seem to think that foreign players come here and don't have one eye on the EPL. Where did this figure of £20 million for Jelavic come from? Look around Europe and see players rated in that price range, there is no player in Scotland who could command a fee like that. Another point is, who signed Jelavic? Walter Smith, not McCoist so maybe McCoist would be open to a bid of £5-6 million to boost his transfer kitty on top of Mr Whytes cash injection. Any of the 3 teams mentioned above could easily double Jelavics wages, so if Rangers told Jelavic they had accepted offers for him he would refuse to meet them for dicussions? I highly doubt it. If and it's a big IF Jelavic and Rangers part company, it will be financially suitable to both the club and player.

TheCatcherInTheRye

31 May 2011 23:56:45
Although Mr White has suggested we will have around 5-10million to spend in this transfer window, I would imagine we would have to spend a large portion of this in re-newing contracts for McGregor, Davis, Whittaker, Papac etc which will not leave Ally much to play with. Therefore can only see maybe paying transfer fees for two or three signings max with any further additions being loans or bosmans. Would like us to keep as many of the double winning squad as possible albeit can see us cashing in on Bougherra as he obviously wants to go south to the epl and with only a year left it would make sense to get some money in to re-invest in a replacement. Bartley would be a good addition but I would also like to see us target one more CD but please not Berra. (Not one for bringing back previous players but Cuellar would certainly be welcome). In my opinion we also need a wide midfielder/winger to fight for a place with young Wylde and also 2 fowards to boost numbers vying for a place up front. This is where we nearly came unstuck last year with Jelavic getting injured early on, Miller jumping ship and Lafferty being mainly inconsistant until later in the year. I'm sure Ally, Kenny and Durranty are working away in the background to bring in a few new faces. Good luck and heres to 55 !