Rangers Banter Archive July 01 2012

01 Jul 2012 22:15:10
If rangers do get into the 1st division which is not right, then Naismith and such couldn't help the team they love for one season?
We stood by Naismith for months at end for his injuries and kept him financially safe! Like so many players, rangers could have let him go!

You can't just get rid of someone because they are injuried, what planet you on?

The insurance companies will have paid Naisy's wages when he was injured.

Players are hard to sell when injured. And when he's fit he's a great player. Catch 22.

Shug

He was injured playing for Rangers. Hardly "standing by" him. Anyway if it's SFL3 you won't need anyone of Naismith's calibre.

Good point but we aren't in Div 1, or any division. How long was he meant to wait with an offer from Everton on the table now.

It's the third division, read the Scotsman today.

A) He was injured PLAYING for you.
B) Insurance paid his wages. This is what sports INSURANCE is for.
C) They already took a wage cut for the club.
D) A lot of Sevco fans are (quite rightly) apprehensive about buying season tickets because of the ambiguity surrounding the club. So how can you blame the players for the same thing? And all this nonsense, they could have stayed and got us a fee etc - what about the players who couldn't get a club to pay a fee for them?
E) Finally, you haven't even paid for most of them, so you have a cheek to demand payment.

4) I'm afraid he was injured trying to injure a fellow professional (Rob Milsom), which he got off scot free for!! {Ed039's Note - So you think he was trying to do him then?)

01 Jul 2012 21:23:53
If Rangers end up lossing any decision agains t EBT then should the 'financial advisors' who recommended the scheme and charged £7m in consultancy fees not be held liable and sued for any amount which may or may not be reclaimed by HMRC

No, because Rangers failed to follow the advice they were given.

That is the whole point. If Rangers had operated the scheme correctly there would not be a problem.

Mac2.

Well, "giving bad advice" is not really a crime.

No if the adviser is properly registered then it does not matter. They give an opinion and cannot be sued for it. Its a bit like endoment policies if you were sold yours by an "independant financial adviser" then you are due nothing.

No they only advise its up to the club to implement.

The general principles of the law of delict apply where a person causes harm to another in the course of his trade , business , profession, the person harmed will usually be a client or customer of the defender(financial advisors) if so then the pursuers primary remedy will be to sue the defender ( financial advisors) in contract. Inevitably the defender will have assumed responsibility for the interests of the customer or client and the customer or client will have relied in the defenders expertise. Unless the terms of their contract expressly negative delictual liability the defender will also owe the pursuer a duty of care to prevent economic loss arising from the defenders(financial advisors) negligence, where the client and professional are directly linked by contract , concurrent liability in contract and delict can arise. In other words those that are saying the financial advisors are exempt are talking total nonsense.

Of course they can be held accountable!! And IF Rangers were given bad advice then they could take their case to the Finincial Ombudsman!! Please don't pretend to know about an aspect of this very complex matter if you don't, you'll only make yourself appear foolish!

No3 - nonsense. There can be ramifications against an IFA for poor advice. IFA Glasgow

01 Jul 2012 18:18:10
Is it still the big sky switch off wednesday?

Is this the non Gers/NEWCO fans who are doing this hope so im in ?sky will crap their pants when they see how many wrestling fans etc dont give a monkeys about SERPICO O SORRY SERVICO...

01 Jul 2012 18:15:12
I would like to ask the fans who they think is the biggest roaster. John bombed out brown or tommy Sheridan. It's a close call but I would say brown.

The more you watch the YouTube clip the worse it gets. Green must be bricking it with that halfwit and his consortium after his blood.

Hes like something out of the goonies, surely a club like rangers with there loyal support must die a little more every time they think about brown runnin there club.

Oh dear

Can you imagine brown negotiating with the SFA and spl on the complex issues. The preparing license papers. The negotiating contracts with direct debit firms and corporate banks.
The press conferences. Dealing with sponsors. Managing budgets. ..........
Guess who the elephant in the room would be?

Sheridan is a complete @rsehole, but an intelligent @rsehole who can make a rousing speech and get his point over.

Brown is just an embarassment.

Mac2.

@1 jb would not be dealing with any matters involving the club,he simply stepped up and to the best of his ability put forward questions most rangers fans want answers for.i think he also realises that the monies raised for season ticket sales would be enough to buy out greens consortium and with the proper people in place we may begin to move forward.please stop knocking an individual for putting a plea from the heart forward that most of us believe in

If he needs season ticket money to buy the club, what is he going to use to run it ? Season ticket money is for running a club, that what the owners want it for - Brown's plan is similar to Whyte's - why the he'll would you want that - maybe your on the wrong site

01 Jul 2012 15:29:47
This isn't a problem caused by the Old Firm - which given Rangers FC's liquidation, is now dead as an entity - this is a problem caused by Rangers FC and Newco FC; but one which has accelerated an existing problem, not caused it.

Rangers, Newco or Sevco (whatever they call themselves) are not to blame for the system that was in place, they have merely tipped it over the edge. The fact that clubs (and Governing bodies) can say things like, "the game in the country is in jeopardy without Rangers" or "losing Rangers from the SPL could send [my club] into Administration" doesn't just highlight that Rangers are a huge institution (they were) which brought alot of money into the Scottish game (they did), it also highlights how badly run a lot of other teams have been over the last ten years, that they themselves could be effected by such a loss. Every team in Scotland will suffer, that is true, even Celtic, but no club should be reliant on another's for their survival.

That financial mismanagement is the fault of no one but themselves.

And while I'm not a Rangers fan, and I don't want them hammered, or blasted into oblivion - what I want is the same set of rules for them as anyone else. No shortcuts. No favours. Just the same.

The counter argument has been, and always will be, without a strong Rangers, Celtic will dwindle and, without an strong old firm, our league will be akin to the Welsh, Irish, Ukrainian, Danish, Swedish leagues etc. (I also heard the Belgium league mentioned - someone obviously doesn't rate the Jupiler)

My response to this is simple; we are not a big country. We are not owed anything. Often, in club competitions and national competitions, we have punched above our weight - but maybe that was what it was, a small country punching above their weight. Perhaps we are as the leagues above, perhaps that is simply our standing.

The irony of course is that all the leagues mentioned above, and I include Wales in this, have better national teams, and (I don't include Wales in this!) are always there or there abouts when qualifying for international tournaments.

I think you are showing a disrespect to the leagues you have mentioned. Many of the teams that play from these leagues have consistently down better that Scottish teams. I would also rate all of these national teams higher than ours.

Our League will be similar to the icelandic, cypriot and hungarian and finnish. A level below these I am afraid.

I'm not being disrespectful to any leagues. If you read it properly, I said the counter argument... ie put forth to counter what I'm saying. Ergo, I'm not saying that. I also said all their national teams have been better than us in recent years. Did you read the post at all?

01 Jul 2012 14:46:06
Much as it pains me to say it, I really wish Walter would just shut up and let things be. Splattered all over the back pages giving it all how concerned he is. Where was he months ago? So what if he thought a bid may be accepted whe he bid. If he loves the club as much as he claims, he should have bid months ago, not wait until Charles green has bought the club. Green owes smith nothing and how dare he come in and think he can pick up the cub for what green paid for it. I am sure green had to pay out a lot in legal fees etc and has all the hassle of all the ex players, some of whom got us in this mess, vilifying him. Walter thinks he can swoop in like a hero, not be involved in the liquidation and save the club. I am sorry but life is not that easy Walter. Please go and take bomber with you and at least let green try to get on with what he is doing. Let's not forget Walter was the manager when a lot of the mismanagement w happening.

Walter wouldnt pass the fit and proper test... How can a man get paid from a club when hes at another club and then manager of scotland? Uncle Walters as bent as they come!

The £5.5 million Green paid for the assets may well have come from the money that Whyte syphoned off

Hate to say this but Walter has lost his hero status.Maybe more to come out though.Why didn't he act sooner?

01 Jul 2012 14:41:00
I am getting well fed up with all the doom merchants like in todays paper EG Walter Smith, Gordon Smith and that idiot craig burley who all say footbaal in this country will not survive without newco rangers in at least the 1st division. Absolute rubbish ! Yes there be will be a financial penalty to pay - so what ? Football will find its proper level . Both old old firm teams have been ripping their fans off for years EG paying poor players wages thay do not reflect the league they are playing in . My gers supporting pal was paying £600 for a season ticket last year to watch that rubbish on the park .We need to look forwand and see this as a great opportunity to revamp the whole set up . A nation of 5 million with 3 separate football bodies - appalling !

No, you want to see rangers destroyed, at least be honest about it. I am fed up with this sporting integrity pap. Let's just apply for div 3 and try and return to what's left of the spl.SPL chairmen want our dosh but not our presence, aye right. At least the 1st div have acted on principal.

If all the doom mongers are right = most of the SPL will be in Div3 within a couple of years anyway;-)
Should make it evn more interesting for the Celtic fans when the Div 1 clubs are promoted to fill the gaps ;-)

bil72

@1 They don't want you either---same reasons.Why you not blaming them too?

01 Jul 2012 14:18:18
Raith Rovers chief slams SFA and SPL over 'blackmail' to force newco Rangers into Division One
Jul 1 2012 Sunday Mail

RAITH ROVERS chairman Turnbull Hutton insists the SFA and SPL are trying to blackmail clubs into allowing a Rangers newco entry into the First Division.

But the Stark�s Park supremo is adamant the lower-league sides won�t be bullied into bending the rules in the wake of Rangers� financial meltdown and subsequent demise.

Attempts have been made by the SFA and SPL to clear the path for the newco�s entry into the First Division by offering inducements to the SFL clubs.

These include a £1million payment for TV rights, a merger of the SFL and SPL in the long term and the introduction of a pyramid system.

But clubs have also been warned that if they fail to vote the newco into the First Division a breakaway SPL2 will be created.

And Raith chief Hutton is furious at what he sees as an attempt to bully clubs into submission.

He said: �If we are at the stage of bending rules and accommodating, threatening and blackmailing, we want to give it up.

�There is a lot of pressure being applied on people.

�There�s been an abdication of duty from the SPL. Now the Scottish FA wade in and it�s being punted to the SFL to let them try and sort it out.

�And, to help it along, why don�t we blackmail and frighten them? It�s bizarre.

�If you don�t vote in favour we�ll set up an SPL2 and invite clubs in. If you vote against, you won�t get an invite. What sort of organisation is that?�

The SFL clubs are due to meet on Tuesday to discuss the issue and opinion seems to be hardening that the newco should start in Division Three.

Morton, Dunfermline, and Falkirk have already made it clear they will vote against the newco starting in the First Division and yesterday Clyde became the latest club to voice their opposition to the move.

The Third Division outfit reckon restructuring should be done as part of a long-term plan and they blasted attempts to railroad SFL clubs into accepting the proposals.

A club statement said: �Some of the proposed changes have merit in principle but any proposals for change should not be rushed, as these have been.

�They also have to be done by consensus and not through threat or inducement, again, as these have been.

�The Clyde board recognise the damage done to the credibility of Rangers FC by its successive owners and the impact on staff and fans.

�But these proposals do nothing to restore that credibility.

�Rangers are more than capable of returning to the SPL via the Third Division on their own merit.

�Rebuilding from the bottom can restore the dignity stripped from the club by its former owners.

�The papers use emotive language to threaten a future of financial meltdown and they carry the implication of the destruction of the game should a newco not be entered in the First Division.

�If things really are as bad as indicated then Scottish football is in a far worse state than is being acknowledged.

�In which case it is time to accept the bankrupt model needs fixed and not supported and perpetuated on the back of this proposal.�

It's time Regan at the SFA and Doncaster at the SPL had motions of no confidence in them raised and they were sacked.

I wouldn't listen to anyone with two surnames and no first name.

1.)
think you'll find Regan & Doncaster only 'represent' the chairmen of the clubs in their respective leagues.
So where do you think these ideas are coming from.
The whole thing stinks!

bil72

01 Jul 2012 09:37:00
Typical scottish trait! As soon as a weakness is shown from someone (club) then its lets all attack and try an destroy. The rest of scottish football can now rot as far as im concerned. They have no proven to everyone that they themselves are not fit and proper to run the game.
Ill watch with interest when they start to suffer financially. I hope that they suffer the same non existent support from others. Hope whyte and his crew go to jail!

As soon as a weakness is shown from someone {club} then it's lets all attack an try an destroy . only one club {rangers} attacked and destroyed airdrie . you have a short memory .. shamrock

01 Jul 2012 13:27:55
Its a shame Rangers (newco dosnt sound right) cant/wont enter the english football league. With the team youre still left with you would gain promotion successively from league 2 and the press coverage would be massive due to the circumstances, combining that with your huge and mostly loyal fanbase youd turn around your financial situation quickly eventually, and eventually attracting better quality than you have done as of late and doing wonders for scottish football. Celtic fans in england always bang on about how they could compete in the premier league, would be good to see how well scottish football could cope.

Anyway hope your situation sorts itself soon cause its not right.

Gooner.

You are a total mug.Celtic and rangers would quite comfortably,after the first sky payments arrived,compete in your EPL.There would have to be a huge investment in players but the money for league placings would easily wipe this out in year two.Even if they were relegated,they would be back soon.I would gladly pay 1k per season for my ticket to be in the EPL,times that by 50k.....you get the picture. {Ed001's Note - you really have no idea about the finances involved! There is such a huge fallacy about money in the English league, it is not as much as you think. It is all media bull, because they add in all the parachute payments clubs get if they are relegated as well.}

1) English clubs have massive debts too. Eith increased income there comes increased wage demands from players. There not a single club in the top half of the EPL that owes tens of millions, it will cach up with all teams eventually {Ed001's Note - obviously there is a difference between being in debt and a sustainable debt. Teams like Arsenal, Newcastle and Man Utd have debts, but they are reducing those debts year on year.}

Great idea. But the timing isn't great with just a handful of players and arguably the ones who would cut it in the EPL having gone. Not sure where in the English system Rangers would have to start. Probably quite a long way down. But then again, things are not much better in Scotland.

The Rangers team of last season struggled to make a mark in Scotland. Having lost, or about to loose, their better players, the chances of them making any kind of mark in any of the upper leagues in England is very small.
Al

I posted a lengthy post that was not posted ,rangers if you are going to forced to start at the at the bottom of the league?
why do not consider applying to join the english league, 3 seasons and you would be in the the prem and it would be a kick up the ar@@ for those teams that kicked while u was down from a west ham fan all the best {Ed001's Note - it can't happen! That is probably why it wasn't posted. I am so bored of people suggesting this time and time again.}

01 Jul 2012 10:09:10
If Rangers end up in the third division,What will happen with segregation regarding fans from both teams as i don't think the stadiums will accommodate a large travelling support. most third div.team grounds are only used to holding a couple of hundred people.

Well you will only get a couple of hundred tickets then! no problem

To be honest i dont think 3rd div games need much segregation even with rangers in it .we are not animals you know

I thought you called yourself the bears . are they not animals

Rangers in the past have played cup games in all of these places. So whats the problem?

01 Jul 2012 09:32:55
Seems that John 'lets have a rant' Bommer Brown is no different from anyone else in this sorry saga. He gave green an ultimatum to name names or he would 'reveal all' !! We're still waiting for that one(surprised? Dont be). Also waiting for YOU to name your names bommer.... Makes you no better than green, duff and duffer, whyte or murray. All we want is someone to start to do some straight talking. I for 1 wont be renewing my 4 season tickets or buying any merchandise (why throw money into a black hole) till this is sorted out

30 Jun 2012 23:29:23
I find it extremely hypocritical of fans slating the players who have refused to transfer their contracts while so many of them are refusing to pay out for seasons tickets at the moment. If fans don't trust the new owners enough to hand over £400 or so, then why do they expect the company employees to trust the new owners with their livelihood? In the current situation everyone has to do what they believe is best for themselves. If you don't want to support the newco then don't, who's to say you have to. If you do want to support it then do, but support it now when it needs your support the most. I'm disappointed that so many players have left as they took any chance of transfer income with them but I don't grudge them for doing so as at the end of the day it is a job and nothing more. If something similar happened in my job and I was offered a secure job with a new company then I would jump at that chance and I defy anyone to say they wouldn't.

Had the top players joined Sevco Green would have used the ongoing tranfer fees of around £10m to repay his investors. Both the creditors and the "football club" would be in no different position than they are today.

Its not even about being a hypocrite, too many fans are still buying into the badge kissing 'thing' !

Why would they transfer ? Why would a professional sportsman want to play at a lower level for less money...

I agreed with your whole statement there up till the last few sentences, playing for Rangers is not just a job it's a damn right privilege and an honour that the majority of us will never get, and if players just see it as a job then they don't know what playing for rangers is really about and what it should mean to wear the jersey*ksd*

The difference is do you get 25000 a week because if I did I would put up with any s**t for that and dont give me the hes only looking after his family , he had another 3 or 4 year on that or go back and get transfered and go to EPL for more money but get the club a transfer fee.

Thats why there no soul in football anymore- its just a job
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