Rangers Banter Archive December 01 2016

 

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01 Dec 2016 23:01:02
Who takes over if Warbs is sacked?

Weir? McInness? Magath? Tommy Wright? Frank De Boer? Nuno Capucho? Pepe Mel? Mick O'Neill? Billy Davies?

FdB would be too ambitious and expensive for our board but that would be ideal for me. Musn't be Weir or Davies for me. Wouldn't mind Tommy Wright or a foreign option like Magath.

What do people think?



01 Dec 2016 23:29:00
Only man for it is Walter and if he didn't fancy coming out of retirement i'd plump for Big Eck as i think he's had a wealth of expeiriance behind him since he left in 2006 and would b a better manager 2nd time around.



01 Dec 2016 23:40:24
Davie weir!? The same statue that stands behind warburton every week looking as lost as he does, no thanks.



01 Dec 2016 23:43:54
Big Eck was a disaster after he left the Scotland job. An absolute disaster. Earth won't come out, also no long term plan behind appointing a 68yr old.



02 Dec 2016 05:52:33
I find it quite incredible with some of the names mentioned! Our defence is appalling yet Weir is proposed. What exactly is he doing just now! Then we have Davies, God forbid that our Board stoops so low! And Walter, a guy who has retired and had the audacity to recommend McCoist! Or big Eck who was a disaster once the quality players left. We even hear McInnes named mentioned. He had three seasons when Celtic had their worst manager for many years and we were not in the league and he couldn't win the league.

Celtic have set the minimum level that Rangers must go for with their appointment of the exLiverpool guy. If we can't do that then we might as well stick with what we have, otherwise we will simply become a joke. Maybe before we start looking at a new manager we should take stock of what we have and what our financial resources are! If King and Co., can't deliver the financial investment needed to get us back to the top then can they find someone that can deliver that investment or do they accept that we will trail in Celtic's slipstream for seasons to come!



02 Dec 2016 06:14:24
We've not got time for a long term plan. All this crap aswell abt his age is just nonsense. Walter, Sir Alex guys like that no every trick in the book. he was 61 when he came back last time and won 3 titles and reached a uefa cup final.



02 Dec 2016 06:40:55
Long term plans do not exsist anyway. we either have a guy like just now who we want rid of and in all probabilty will prob drive out or a guy whos a rip roaring success who would get poached off uss from a team down south. we're never going to have a manager for 8-10 yr so i don't get all this long term plan guff.



02 Dec 2016 06:44:24
Tbh i wasnt a big fan of eck 1st time round but i think he would be better for his experiances abroad and down south regardless how unsuccessful he was. he knows how to tweak tactics/ formation and let's not forget he won 2 titles and a treble against the best Selik team in the last 40yrs.



02 Dec 2016 06:51:03
TOMUSA what the hell does Walter putting Ally up for the job matter? Sir Alex pushed the Man U board to go for Moyes and look how that worked. everybody seems to b getting wrapped up in this "long term" "Barca tika taka" "keep possession" nonsense these days. Just get back to old skool, play to your strengths and do anything u can to win a football match. there's more than 1 way to skin a cat lads.



02 Dec 2016 07:07:27
McInnes for me.



02 Dec 2016 07:34:14
Where's Felix.



02 Dec 2016 08:01:09
I honestly would only maybe take mcinnes.



02 Dec 2016 08:02:06
you are stuck with MW till he decides he's had enough as you haven't the funds to sack anyone, buy anyone etc, PS, can walter smith not enjoy his retirement?



02 Dec 2016 08:38:51
I am only. mentioning names connected, I don't want McInnes, Weir or, God forbid, Davies.



02 Dec 2016 10:33:03
Dont worry bhoy i don't think Walter would take it on again.



02 Dec 2016 11:41:45
do you not think this is part of your problem tho bluedie? Whenever the going gets tough for you its always look to the past, or get real rangers men in. there was an investor from the states that wouldve done a lot more imo than the rangers man you all championed for.



02 Dec 2016 13:11:34
I want him because he's the best man for the job not because he's a real rangers man. if that was the case i'd b shouting for Barry and Bob from clyde but i'm not that gullible mate.



01 Dec 2016 22:56:45
Warburton saying they are trying to get a player in on january who will excite the fans if they pull it off any idea who bears?



01 Dec 2016 23:11:14
Worked hard, trained well and learn fromit. 3 new players.



01 Dec 2016 23:44:36
Can fans be excited by a CB? No. But that's what we need.



02 Dec 2016 02:33:53
What about Gelling in? He's on good form just now.



02 Dec 2016 06:39:46
It's a portion player - ex Liverpool and Brentford 23yr old midfielder Teixeira.



02 Dec 2016 08:01:41
conor Chaplin, matty taylor and a centreback. bye bye waghorn.



01 Dec 2016 21:31:59
To the sack Warburton brigade. 2 questions
Bearing in mind it's not even Xmas.
If he changes formation and the team starts winning would u still want him sacked?
Who would u replace him with?



{Ed039's Note - The problem is Scotty, he is too stubborn to change the system, which is a huge flaw in his management skills, great managers through the years have had that adaptability, whether its switching from attacking to defensive or vice versa, but Warbs believes in this "total football" philosophy which just isn't working at the moment. I am myself not in the sack the gaffer brigade but at the same time I would not be too upset of a change was made)

01 Dec 2016 22:34:30
I previously said that if the car is crashing, swapping the driver doesn't change a thing.

I agree with Ed though, teams know what we will do, how we will set up and they even know when we will change the subs!

If there is no change for Aberdeen at the weekend then I am going to struggle with my views on our management team.



01 Dec 2016 22:40:43
I agree Ed . to play that style of football u need a certain type of player which we don't have in Scottish football. Barcelona and Man City can do it because they have cash to buy the specialised player for each team role. MW has to go back to basics and find a style that suits what he has at the minute.
I wouldn't sack him Yet. He deserves till end of season to percevere and fail or change and maybe finish 2nd. He has plenty of time till end of season to get it right. If he continues with Plan A better he will be gone.



01 Dec 2016 22:53:24
Scotty, two questions:
What's Christmas go to do with it?
What makes you think that he will change his intransigent stance on tactics?



01 Dec 2016 23:16:35
Scotty how much time do u want to give him? He used the word "project" very wisely. this isn't a project, this is rangers. If 11 men can't fight on a park for the badge then we're in a bad state. Pass the buck or blame whoever but this is his team and his project which is a car crash. He's lost majority of fans and the dressing room. time to go.



01 Dec 2016 23:25:04
Echy, was saying Xmas as it's just hit Dec. we have only played 15 games so far and he has a Jan window to bring in players (prob loan) .
If he doesn't change his tactics he will be gone. Surely even the most stubborn man must try and save his job by trying every option to succeed.



01 Dec 2016 23:33:15
I think the 4.3.3 is going to start getting used less and less in future as even Barcelona can struggle when teams play them high up the park, same goes for Man City and they've got players we can only dream of so what chance have we got. Warburton will never change so he has to go asap.



02 Dec 2016 07:10:16
But it's not just 15 games. It's been this way since last season's cup semi final!



02 Dec 2016 07:36:58
And he doesn't bring in,

A. The right kind of player

B. Ones that are good enough

Needed centre backs - didn't get good ones

Needed a goal scorer/ target man - didn't get any.



01 Dec 2016 21:09:36
agree with ja stirling our players are not good enough to play like Barcelona passing the ball about the back, should be told just punt the ball up the park or into the corners and play 442 that way the strikers can hunt the thing down. also what happend to letting your man know that you are (there) like bomber or souness. i see warbs making subs usualy about 60 mins in. takes somebody off that was gash and the bit that gets me. he then shakes his hand and pats him, don't remember wattie ever do that.



02 Dec 2016 08:03:12
imagine even mentioning the parasite John Brown in the same sentence as sourness. it's disgusting to still see him floating around on match days.



01 Dec 2016 20:33:19
No win in the next game means Warburton must be sacked!

Let's stop fudding about and move on.



03 Dec 2016 21:34:33
If the worst happens on saturday and we do lose, although obviously i hope and pray not, then nothing has been decided on who's finishing 2nd and 3rd etc! Everything should be judged at the end of the season which i've been saying until i'm blue in the face! I have no doubt warburton WON'T be sacked midway through the season, he'll see the season out as rangers manager, of that i've got no doubt! So let's all on saturday at ibrox, get right behind our team and manager mark warburton! Nothing regarding change would take place until the end of the season anyway, if at all because let's face it, warbs could turn our season round!



01 Dec 2016 20:27:51
Listened to the Badge kisser Halliday today talking about the heated discussions they had this morning. Mr One of Us needs to toughen up and turn up and play like the rest you were all rank yesterday. This is what we have become in years gone by you just needed to pull the jersey over your head you guys are the luckiest guys in the World and you don't know it.



02 Dec 2016 20:58:26
A can't stand him, he seems to avoid any stick because he's a "gers man". Time to start showing a bit of fight on the pitch .



02 Dec 2016 21:35:57
Bongo my friend, do you reckon our manager mark warburton will see the season out? I honestly don't!



01 Dec 2016 18:30:11
We might not have much cash but I wouldn't let Warburton sign one more single player in the transfer window? He has now signed 17 players for the club and there is not one of them we could sell for a transfer fee😭😭😭
He must be removed from the job as its a shambles! 😡.



01 Dec 2016 21:21:20
so you think all 17 have been bad signings? should we have kept mohsni, law, shiels, daly?



01 Dec 2016 22:03:43
No, Cee, he should have been more astute in the market and signed people who can play, who have heart, who aren't injury prone, who aren't in the last chance saloon. And they were there, remember on this site on May and June there were dozens and dozens of names being bandied about as possible signings. His recruitment was rotten.



02 Dec 2016 08:05:04
he has been working with free transfers and petty fees Jesus. he went out got kranjcar and Barton who most people thought would have been good buys and unfortunately Warburton can't control when a player gets injured or when a player is a knob.



01 Dec 2016 18:28:26
just listened to warburtons party line on s t v news break your haert the excuses.



01 Dec 2016 17:15:46
Surely it must be obvious to every Rangers supporter that our MAIN problem is the product on the park is just not good enough.
So is it because the players lack ability? I think they are not the best, but in our current state what do we expect.
So is it the manager? I think this is the crux. The pro MW brigade will continue to say " stick by him", but how many lessons must we learn, [ his words. ] and why his stubbornness? He does not know anyway else to play .
He criticised Big Jock Wallace's training methods when he was a youth player with Leicester, so he obviously does not realise what makes us tick.
We need someone to manage us that does not play pretty patterns, but MAKES us play to our best.
In my opinion, unless we can convince GS to take charge again, then give John Brown the job and at the very least we will get 100%+ out of every player.



01 Dec 2016 15:07:08
warburton seems to change his mind like the weather takes windass o when best player with excuse he has not been fit to play 90 mins then plays crooks last night when he has not kicke a ball waghorn sits on the bench never to get used senderos back on bench the lad that was signed rom raith was on bench then dissapears dodoo gets start last night in one of the ew games that would have suited garner which showed when he came on maybe its only my thoughts i don't know.



01 Dec 2016 15:14:56
Largebill that like your lecky bill? Are you watching us play? We are a shambles play like that again then we won't finish 2,3,4,5,6. the team needs to tighten up and move around. Garner in my opinion if he was playing at Celtic would be amazing as their creating chances and he would score but we have a duff player in him.



01 Dec 2016 16:47:00
OUR PROBLEM IS WE can't PASS THE BALL SCHOOLBOYS STUFF.
didn't see the ball move forward at all .
warbs tell his players to play out from the back but they don't, what they do do is play around at the back inviting pressure.

we should be told to punt the ball away from our defence as they can't play football.

Kiernan for me is the worst excuse for defender/ footballer I've seen in years.
even moshni is better than him at least he can head the ball and pick out a pass.

warbs must see after that performance that a 5-3-2 or a 3-5-2 is required.

we also need to replace the centre backs as Wilson is terrible Kiernan is a joke and hill is too slow okay defender I guess but old and slow. and senderos is a waste of wages.



01 Dec 2016 17:22:49
waghorn garner and mckay all hold the ball up tip very well and retain the ball something that front 3 couldn't do, they barely knew how to take a touch.



01 Dec 2016 17:47:40
Talking off sendoros is it true his wages is round about 15k a week if this is the case no wonder we don't have money why Warburton to sign half these players is anyone's guess 442 is the way forward ohallaran down one wing and mackay down the other providing crosses for doodoo and garner at the back we need a whole new defence who can actually defend and new centre mids.



01 Dec 2016 19:58:22
Surely Senderos is not on 15k a week! Manager would be persevering with him if he was in my opinion. Even although he's been rubbish. McKay has also been poor this season so doesn't merit a start for me. Garner needs to start against the sheep although not a prolific scorer he would rough them up a wee bit. Teams too lightweight. Don't know what the answer is bears. Average players who are underperforming trying to play like Barcelona doesn't work for me. We have a long way to go.



01 Dec 2016 21:21:55
how the he'll do people find out players wages for a start?



02 Dec 2016 18:14:01
I spoke to a North End fan last week and he was happy to see the back of Garner. Was effective in League one but couldn't hack the championship.



01 Dec 2016 14:17:44
This team we have and can actually do things in the league but warbuton needs to go. he reminds me of another manager PLG ( Paul le Glen ) we need a manager that players are scared of. If they don't preform they get dropped they don't play right on the day took off. for me was a shambles last night Tav was like a school boy chasing a wee heartbreaker that he could never get. took of our best chance of a player scoring in DoDoo ( think the guys amazing have so since he came from Leicester ) brings on the ermerdale cast off in garner. stop playing Holt and give MOH a run. And FOD he can just leave for free the guy is no keeper. I think change the formation too. 4-2-1-2-1 this would be my team for that formation.

GK - Gilks
RB - wilson/ kerinan
CB - Hill
CB - kerinan/ Wilson
LB - Wallace
CDM - windass
CDM - rossiter
CM - Halliday ( free roam )
CAM - mckay
CAM - MOH
ST - Dodoo

Thoughts guys?



01 Dec 2016 14:44:28
Rossiter, Crooks and Windass were brought in to be the engine room. They have been injured so far.
Holt and Halliday offer nothing! Yes they run and run and don't stop but that's great off the ball, it's when we have the ball that we are shocking. No pace, energy or penetration.
Gilks should start
Both Full backs should be told they are defenders and must be looking for clean sheets at end of game and not assists. Let the wide midfielders create .
Play 2 up top. let Garner and Dodoo form a partnership.



01 Dec 2016 15:10:42
Really garner you think that guy is good. he dives no better than neymar at that stuff. I think the team I said would do a job when they are fit. I do think dodoo giving his run in chance will be our dembele to celtics answer. Wee rossiter is going to be a gem even bren said it. And for windass and crooks they need to adapt to Scottish game faster.



01 Dec 2016 15:32:22
Find a captain and stop kidding ourselves that Wallace is a quality full back. He is a terrible leader and defensively he is no better than Tavernier!



01 Dec 2016 15:49:13
Firstly, Joe Garner IS a good player - period. He has played at a better level than the SPFL Prem for his ENTIRE career, we do not play to his strengths - same said with Ohalloran.

Dodoo has a first touch like an elephant and looks clueless on the ball - that said, that could be down to the formation again. We need to change our shape. All of our players are better suited to a more direct style, especially Garner and Ohalloran. I don't think sacking the manager will do much but he has to evolve or we will be left further behind than we are already.



01 Dec 2016 15:54:16
Firstly its Paul Le Guen, secondly Windass is not a CDM, thirdly Garner was in Eastenders not Emerdale.



01 Dec 2016 15:57:46
Garner at a better level where? Good points and I agree with everything either manger changes and evolving tactics or change the manger.



01 Dec 2016 16:46:26
Fifaguy

I think, in my opinion, English Championship and even League 2 is on par with what we are up against, just my opinion.
Last season Preston struggled a bit for form, but look at the year prior when they were playing with width and more direct, he was all over the opposition scoring goals. As I said, just my opinion and most folk will disagree.



01 Dec 2016 17:23:31
garner is by far our best striker, hold it up well, great work ethic and decent in the air.



01 Dec 2016 17:27:43
The English Championship is superior to the SPFL in my opinion, at least.



01 Dec 2016 18:52:09
Fifa guy, windass a dm and halliday a free roam u must be joking right. Why would u play halliday in windass position when windass is twice as good a player! If anybody watches halliday every week he can't play centre mid his positioning is woeful. he's play left side his whole career but Warburton seems to thing he can turn him into a dm.



01 Dec 2016 13:51:36
If our business plan is based on getting European football next season, then even if we get special dispensation over FFP, how far would anybody expect this team to go in the Europa?

Remember the team that outplayed us in every area of the pitch were knocked out by a team from Malta only a few months ago in the first round qualifiers.

Going back to FFP, Dave King might spout complete guff about our finances being the envy of footballing clubs worldwide but UEFA aren't as gullible as King assumes most bears must be and they will be more interested in his 'over-investment' claims and the fact that we are officially a going concern.

And if we want to sack Warbs, remember this would require even more soft loans which again makes us less likely to qualify for Europe under FPP (assuming we actually finish in the top three or top four if Celtic win the Cup) .



01 Dec 2016 14:39:45
They would struggle to make it through the play off stages. A favourable draw would be required. Hopefully the Imps could be avoided as we saw what they did to the world beaters this season. Not sure what you mean by 'officially a going concern'.



01 Dec 2016 15:12:44
1 maybe 2 rounds of the qualifying stages.



01 Dec 2016 16:46:47
We are officially a going concern because we don't have enough cash to see out the current season without loans as stated in the last released accounts.

Apparently in the last ten years apparently fifty odd clubs have not been able to enter European competitions due to FPP which is a much higher figure than I would have guessed.

As for the qualifying stages we would get around 200,000 euros per leg from UEFA, which with gate money and TV rights would maybe earn very roughly two million (could be wrong here and I would assume the first match would be on the season ticket) if we competed in three legs before going out - so not much more than the cost of a Joe Garner possibly.

If anybody has more accurate figures feel free to correct me.



01 Dec 2016 17:26:14
Cullin i wouldent worry about Europe next year if I were you. There is no chance you will qualify to play in it.



01 Dec 2016 12:41:04
The only possible plea in mitigation for this Rangers team is it was bad luck that Kranjcar and Rossiter have had their injuries and rarely featured and despite his reputation, nobody really foresaw the Barton debacle happening so quickly! Waghorn scored for fun last season and he too has been injured lately. I remember watching the Aberdeen game at Pittodrie early in the season and we should have won that match comfortably. Yet again it was poor defending that cost us. I think Wilson, Wallace, Holt, Dodoo, Mackay, Rossiter (when he is fit) and Miller can still deliver. The jury's out on Windass and Crooks as again, injury has taken its toll on both. My team v the Sheep this weekend:
Foderingham; Hodson, Wilson, Senderos, Wallace; Tavernier, Holt, Windass; Mackay, Dodoo, Wagner, with Mackay on the right.



01 Dec 2016 14:58:19
Doiger

Can you tell me how many saves the Aberdeen keeper had to make in that game?



01 Dec 2016 15:32:32
Dodoo cannot deliver he is not good enough. How many times do i have to say it. Did nobody see that last night. He is slow, weak and never drops short to take the ball.
I cannot believe MW started him after scoring two late goals at Fir Hill. If that's how he picks a side we are doomed. Mid table at best I hate to say it but its true.



01 Dec 2016 15:42:24
Why do you think Wallace is a good defender! He is the worst captain of Rangers I have seen in fifty + years supporting the team. Defensively he was ok in the Championship but he gets caught out against better teams in the top league. Hodson is no better than Tavernier and does not provide a threat going forward. Holt is not capable of playing at this level.

Unfortunately the quality of play is so dire that I am fast coming to the conclusion that in a lot of cases it is not the players but the manager that is the problem and I really am struggling to understand what David Weir's role is since our defence is woeful!



01 Dec 2016 12:25:17
I like most on here have defended and stuck by our manager but as some of our east end visitors have eluded to, 'he's your Ronny'.
I do now agree as MW has had plenty of time now to see the mistakes but hasn't rectified them.
I'm certainly no expert on tactics or players but I've played a bit and can tell you this, better players tend to beat poorer players but a good tactician can sometimes thwart this and come up with an unexpected win. As MW is responsible for both these aspects, I hold him fully responsible for what happens on the pitch. Look at what is happening across the city with basically the same team with a different leader.
Sorry MW but your hat has ran out of its magic.
As for a replacement, who knows? Though it would seem MK Dons have possibly landed the most exciting prospect in Scottish fitba.



01 Dec 2016 13:34:51
Thought Hearts were about to get that exciting prospect tag with IAN CATHRO.



02 Dec 2016 13:42:52
If we have to change our manager before the season is out then it must be a big time manager. We can't take a chance on a novice. Although it would be debateable if they would come to us, we would need to be looking at a sam allardyce, harry redknapp, chris coleman, billy davies sort of manager! In saying that i'll back warburton until the end of this season and judge him then!



01 Dec 2016 12:15:24
Roll on Saturday, the sheep are in town let's do our bit as supporters and roar our team on, no matter what we think of them let's do our bit!



01 Dec 2016 12:43:30
Fed up hearing what the Ibrox atmosphere will be like on Saturday.

The crowd is supportive in the extreme given the slightest bit of grit and commitment from the players.

Any sort of tackle, an attempt from outside the box, a free kick outside the box, keeper making a run of the mill save, a corner kick, even a throw in gets them off their feet.

What they won't accept or support is the same "performance" they witnessed against Hearts last night.

Completely unacceptable. And there's been too many performances like that this season.

If we get that performance on Saturday with a similar score at 90 minutes, you can't imagine what reaction the players and manager will get come 4:45.

Doubt there'll be one Bear in Ibrox defending MW and his team.



01 Dec 2016 11:22:00
Think IF we lose Saturday I would be in favour of the club sounding out big Sam.



01 Dec 2016 11:27:54
Sam fox well at least she would look good in the dug out but you've probably got enough diddies in the team.



01 Dec 2016 12:14:51
Big Sam! Haha! Honestly will the delusion ever stop on here! Uve been told that yous haven't a pot to piss in and still the delusion continues! It was let's sign Defoe in the transfer window to, you have no money! Let that sink in.



01 Dec 2016 12:34:40
wiss no one gives a monkey what you think you are even more deluded than people who think big same will come in, you make us miss Tim alloy and green jedi.



01 Dec 2016 13:29:04
And I couldn't give a monkeys that no one gives a monkeys what I think! Lol. and of all people cee calling anyone deluded! The same cee on the champs page tryin to make a joke about wee KT straight after the jambos wiped the floor with your team! And it's deluded of me to snigger at the suggestion to bring in big Sam and Defoe when it's quite clear u have no money! Truth hurts pal!



01 Dec 2016 20:31:14
Laugh it up Wiss, nothing lasts forever.



01 Dec 2016 23:10:57
I don't think about anythin lasting forever mate, I'm just enjoying the here and now and it's a great time to be a Tim!



01 Dec 2016 10:50:56
I have in most cases stuck with MW. But so far this season I was starting to doubt him and after last night I feel its time to leave.
If his players aren't good enough to play his system then don't play the system and if he doesn't have the brains to see that then he shouldn't be in management. Not one player on that park looked like they new what they were supposed to be doing. They look like they train with no tackling or pressing allowed, His formation is so easy to beat that we are in for a hiding soon.
I know its our first season up but we still have the second highest wage bill and should be atleast sitting pretty in second. Make no jokes about it we will be forth come 16:45 on Saturday.
There are no signs that I can see of our team improving or the system clicking at any point. No players showing outstanding quality. If I am wrong please correct me.
He has signed 17? players I believe, more than enough to to get his system to work, but yet he still doesn't seem to grasp the fact that other managers find it easy to adapt to playing rangers.
As fans we never fully agree on things at/ with our club and I will accept that some feel he should stay but please give me your reasons for that thought process, give me the proof that we are a better team, proof that we are improving cause all i see is a team crumbling apart, no lion on the badge anymore just a timid mouse.



01 Dec 2016 12:09:28
I've asked fans to give mw till end of season but even I can't put up a defence for him after last nite. The players need to take a good look at themselves as well they've all dined out on that semi win over Celtic. There was no spirit no bottle last nite it looked like they were dreading going on the park. Just hope big crooks isn't judged over that game the big guy was hung out to dry. He didn't look anywhere near match fit.



01 Dec 2016 10:48:35
Have defended warbs in past but another gutless performance with no desire or fight, I'm not surprised by this if the players look for any inspiration from the touch line it's non existent. Mr w only ever gets irate with 4th officials, never seems to roar at players or gee them up. there is no hunger or desire big davie looks like a mute, mr w looks like Craig broon. SPINELESS!



01 Dec 2016 10:33:55
A good manager initially plays his favoured formation, looks at his squad in that formation and if it doesn't work quickly establishes what formation will succeed with players at his disposal.
Perfect example Conte at Chelsea. they looked worse than average and now with the same players they aren't conceding goals and are scoring for fun.
MW has to change the shape to fit this group of average players ASAP or it will cost him his job!
The team is crying out for a 3-5-2.



{Ed001's Note - you do know Conte did the opposite right? His favoured formation is the 3-4-3/3-5-2 they are now playing. He bought players specifically to fit that system in the summer, which is why he was able to switch over to it.}

01 Dec 2016 14:48:56
I hear u Ed . my point was he tried a formation then changed it to fit his players he had. MW is stubborn and I can't see him changing formation any time soon as he will stick by doing Plan A better! 1 trick pony.



{Ed001's Note - understood mate, just thought I should point it out, in the interest of accuracy. I do agree that is one of the things held against him at Brentford.}

02 Dec 2016 11:08:04
Why did he sign Joe Garner if he's not wanting to change formation.



01 Dec 2016 10:24:15
do you think rangers should have took the 3 million from fernebache for tav, lol.



01 Dec 2016 11:12:37
Not really. When we have a manager with a clue and the players know their roles, then guys like Tav will come on leaps and bounds.



01 Dec 2016 12:50:18
No one in their right mind would offer 3 million for Tav and I can assure you that if they had, then he would have been gone.



01 Dec 2016 09:50:29
We just don't have the players to play the way MW wants. I wish we did but we clearly can't afford them! It's all very admirable sticking to your principles Mr W but surely you can see by now that it's not working? I just wonder if this has been a monumental misjudgment by MW and the board, or if MW was led to believe there would be more cash to spend?



01 Dec 2016 10:14:15
I'm keeping this simple, time for Warburton to go! Agree or disagree.



01 Dec 2016 10:26:20
I think time for warbs to try different tactics. simply because we can't afford to let him go.

out of all the managers been mentioned on here i'd take mcinnes aff the sheep if possible.
the guy knows Scottish football and maybe we could steal a couple of their players while we are at it . hayes and rooney.



01 Dec 2016 10:41:23
Guarantees nothing. as the old saying goes"its easy to play against Rangers but can you play for them"



01 Dec 2016 11:14:11
I would have McInnes.



01 Dec 2016 15:50:54
McInnes has showed at Aberdeen that he is of limited ability. Three seasons against a mediocre Celtic team with a second rate manager and no Rangers to contend with and he still couldn't win the league! Celtic have set the standard with the acquisition of Rodgers. If Warburton goes then we need a manager that can challenge Celtic, not just another also-ran. For us to secure that type of manager we would need to give them a transfer war chest.

In the unlikely event that any of the above will happen I would want someone like the current Wales Manager and his first acquisition should be someone that can take over the captaincy of the team.



01 Dec 2016 09:48:45
First time poster, long time reader (viewer? Watcher? Stalker? ) of the site

Last night, as a few of you have mentioned, has to be the worst performance in Warburton's reign.
Wallace shows no leadership, Tav, my god, the two goals were embarrassing from his point of view (although the second goal can be attributed to a lot more than just the full backs positioning), and his distribution from open play and set pieces was absolutely woeful.
The midfield had no fight. Wee Holt looked as though he wasn't sure where to play, although that maybe due to the lack of mobility and desire shown by both Crooks and Halliday. Crooks, although only his first outing, gave the ball away every single time from the kick off of the second half. Every time.

Now the Front 3, Which we persist on, I would reserve from blaming them too much as they weren't getting the support, and the one chance we had big Dodoo took it really well. But why, when everybody and their granny can see it, does MW persist on 3 upfront.

There was a moment against Thistle where we went with two through the middle with Dodoo and Miller, and we got two goals through their link-up, Surely play Dodoo and Garner through the middle and swamp the midfield.

I think this is an easy fix, but not with Warburton as manager unless he can change his stubborness around the formation and style of football. With exception to maybe 2 or 3 of our regulars, we most definitely have a squad that capable of beating anyone in this league, but not playing a 4-3-3 the way we play it.

My Solution would be (depending on the opposition) 5-3-2 (Celtic, Aberdeen, Hearts) or 3-5-2 (Everyone Else)

I would have Crooks as a "Tuguy-style" role moving from Sweeper to defensive midfielder throughout the games with two dependable CB's either side (Probably Hill when fit and anyone else as they are all equally gash)

Instead of Tav as right back i'd play Hodson as he can defend, and probably have to stick with Wallace, but give the captaincy to someone else as it is too much for Wallace and he can't motivate a team. Nice guy, and i have a lot of respect for him sticking with us, but he can't motivate a team when the chips are down.

Centre Mid I would have Rossiter when fit, and Holt, with Windass with a free role behind a front two from either Garner, Dodoo or Miller. My Personal preference is Garner and Dodoo as Garner allows you to play more direct and is a great option for an out ball, he wins every header sent his way, and 70% of the time finds a blue jersey with a knock on or layoff from the header.
What I have seen of Dodoo, I am confident in the right team he would do the damage. But he can't play the solitary striker role, his play is about finding pockets of space and being one on one with a defender. Not Holding up the ball for support.

Anyway, to summarise, We DO have good enough players, that isn't the issue. The issue is Warburton not being able to evolve and adapt his style to suit the Premiership, which I think is a complete disrespect to the fans and this league, and from a guy who constantly harps on about being respectful.

Maybe he's gonnae do a Rocky and lure everyone into a false sense of security and go south paw, and play a new formation soon, but i wouldn't hold my breath.



01 Dec 2016 10:14:15
Totally agree that 5-3-2 and 3-5-2 are better suited formations for the players we have, and both would be learned in the same manner allowing the full backs to transition with the flow of play mid-game between the two formations. If I was picking the players though, I would have Wilson as the middle "ball carrying" CB with Hill and Kiernan either side of him (Crooks has played half a game and not convincingly) . More importantly I would have McKay as the central most advanced of the three CM's and give him a free role in the no. 10 position. That combined with full backs bombing forward with the three CB's providing cover behind, and having two strikers up top would bring the balance of attack and defense that we are desperately missing right now.



01 Dec 2016 10:23:13
The only problem with those formations is Warburton has never heard of them and wouldn't know how to implement them.



01 Dec 2016 10:25:16
disagree with your 5-3-2/ 3-5-2 idea. Hodson in my opinion is a worse defender than Tav, which is hilarious as I reckon tav is more of a right mid than a right back. Garner and Dodoo should be the striking partnership, a 4-4-2 would probably suit better, offers more protection on the flanks.



01 Dec 2016 14:49:24
Thanks for the reply's folks. I agree with that too BlueIsTheColour, Personnel wise, we do have a lot of options, McKay is severely lacking confidence at the moment but I agree would probably prefer that free role, allowing him to come deep to pick up the ball and then drive on, as Windass wants to do so often.

Good point BossHogg lol.

My thinking behind the 5-3-2 or 3-5-2 Onlyshowaround is to swamp midfield to stop the opposition getting out, whilst allowing us to dominate and still keep two through the middle upfront.
With three at the back, and two wing backs, whilst we are defending its easy for our wide men to fill back and one of the back three to shift across to support. If we played 4-4-2, I fear we may suffer in middle with only two centre mids, and with the way our FB's push forward we're already short on protection. But only my opinion. Tav's an enigma, but his deliveries from wide were brutal last night, (did any get beyond the first man? ) and he was found out at both goals, although the second had multiple mistakes. I do like tav, maybe its a personal issue, or maybe he needs a rest or Hodson behind him to give him a bit of confidence that when he goes forward, he has cover. Hodson although an average footballer, does the simple things well in my opinion.

However I think we all agree that Stevie wonder could see that a change is needed in terms of our formation and tactics. Also, i'm sure like me all the bears will give the players full support at the weekend. But if there no evidence of MW evolving and showing some of this famous tactical knowledge he has learned during his pilgrimage to all these top European and South american teams that we hear so often, and learning to adapt, I fear for his future as Rangers manager.



01 Dec 2016 15:56:30
Some good points but I wouldn't play Hodson. Tavernier is a better player than Hodson. Equally, I would suggest that Holt is not good enough at this level and we have a major problem at centre back. Agree fully on Wallace and I fear that he also struggles against the better teams in this league.

Unfortunately I am fast coming to the conclusion that Warburton, sadly, is not the guy to take us forward and I am really struggling to see what David Weir brings.



01 Dec 2016 09:47:21
Have been watching Rangers for over 50 years and after last nights debacle felt the need to express my thoughts here.

1. Goalkeeper not capable of passing ball out at back look what happened to Joe Hart
2. Full backs can't defend, Wallace looks tired and is not a leader
3 Keirnan can't pass as in Celtic game and at least twice last night
4. Wilson lost confidence, remember he was the captain of Hearts couple seasons ago, wouldn't get in their squad now
5. Forrester should stop chewing gum and posing as if he is trying to pull in a night club
6. Holt gets pass marks ant tries
7. Halliday, now I understand why Barton fell out with him, probably told him he is a nobody with no top class experience who is living on one good game against a poor Celtic last year, and I agree
8. Crooks, felt sorry for him usually plays centre half or holding midfield, don't know where he was supposed to play last night?
9. Miller must wonder what is going on all around him, still gives 100%
10. Dodo needs more time to prove himself
We seem to be going back the way since we should have beaten Aberdeen earlier in season, I think it's time for King to show his hand and give the manager money so he can buy players who have the ability to play the way he wants. Moan over!



01 Dec 2016 11:24:00
Should the manager be giving more money he brought al these players to the club to suit the formation and none of the players seem to be fitting in to it ohallaran garner Barton sendoros the list is endless
These are not cheap options and certainly not players who are suited to this formation so why should he be giving more money to waste we can not afford this kind of failure our club is fragile.



01 Dec 2016 16:00:18
Right now I wouldn't give Warburton a penny. He should have a team capable of finishing second. If they don't he should go and take Weir with him and a new manager should come in with a decent war chest. So far the players that have come in are powder puff, easily beaten, no commitment and a fear of 'getting stuck in'. Unfortunately I am beginning to think it is the manager more than the players that are the problem!



01 Dec 2016 16:50:43
imo the worst thing wallace done for his career was to stay when you were in lower leagues, i applaud his commitment but he shouldve left and tested himself for a few yrs and signed when your in top league, looks a shadow of the player he was when you signed him,



02 Dec 2016 13:49:36
Upset
Wes' distribution is fine. If you go to the games u will see the outfield players do not make themselves available.



01 Dec 2016 09:19:00
It is now abundantly clear that Rangers have an average squad at best on the same level (with all respect to these teams) as St Johnstone, Motherwell or Dundee. We've lost to Celtic twice, Aberdeen and Hearts and goodness knows what will happen in the next two games. I wonder why King got Warburton to be manager? He was briefly with Watford, then Brentford and his playing career is practically non-existent at senior level. This is Glasgow Rangers and his meagre achievements at Brentford mean nothing now. King and the others must dig deep and recruit in January. I see no point in Warburton staying on. Every combination of players he puts on the park doesn't work. He'd be as well playing some of the youngsters from now on as at least they'll play for the jersey. Losing interest now and can't see where the improvement is going to come from?



01 Dec 2016 09:11:39
Got a funny feeling we will win on Sat.



01 Dec 2016 09:24:05
ha ha.



01 Dec 2016 11:27:57
Agree totally with the above, and if money does become available are we going to buy slightly better players who will still be played in a poor formation, out of position with no coaching or instruction from the sideline.
Keeper is a bomb scare every time ball comes near him.
Tav has the attention span of a midge and cost us dearly.
Team looks like it has no confidence.



01 Dec 2016 14:58:25
I totally agree, The Formation and Tactics (or lack thereof) are the issue

I don't think the keeper is the worst we've had by a long shot, but this formation puts him under sever pressure every single game, and other teams are wise to it, Look at Gilks against Celtic. Its clear that the players are being told not to deviate from the plan regardless of how many mistakes are made.

Was is Einstein, was it Twain, Was it Franklin who said "The Definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"

It certainly wasn't Warburton.



01 Dec 2016 08:40:23
Seriously guys that has got to be the worst display ever and there can be no excuses!
Warburton is out his depth and has to be removed! Anyone who thinks differently is deluded and you can't go on watching performances like that. Every ball into the box looks like a goal and not one player is committed! Tavs performance was nothing short of a disgrace with the whole outfit gutless! Absolutely Raging! 😤😤😤😤.



01 Dec 2016 08:59:18
Strange that the Warburton apologists Supercooper and James Stirling were posted missing last night. Thought they would be on to tell us how great Warburton is and that he is building something special in his 5 year plan.



01 Dec 2016 07:53:17
Totally agree stuz how long are 50,000 going to pay to watch that. Last night it looked like the players were arguing amongst themselves.



01 Dec 2016 09:03:47
They were arguing among themselves. It was an old fashioned cup-tie last night but we played like it was an exhibition match. MW does not know his best team which is damning enough but he does know that Tav will start on Saturday. If he says once more that that was not the real Rangers he should change his psychiatrist. We were well beaten last night so no excuses please.



01 Dec 2016 07:33:36
We lost all our away games against our main rivals, Hibs and Falkirk last season. Same thing so far with Celtic, Aberdeen and Hearts and there really is no surprise because we're simply not good enough. You could put a good argument together about formation and tactics but there's no escaping that the quality of too many players just isn't there.



01 Dec 2016 06:59:16
Chicken and egg situation

We won't go forward until there is more money and there wouldn't be more money to finance current (? ) operations until we get European money?

Are King's hands tied?

May not like him but is Chris Sutton talking along the lines of JB -

We might be where we are when we haven't played well (all season? ) - but are we simply not good enough for second place (! ) and European qualification?



01 Dec 2016 08:58:17
Money is not the main reason for the poor performances our budget exceeds Aberdeen and hearts quite considerably yet they play like a team and with spirit scoring lots more goals than us. The answer appears to lie with the management team. An ex defender as assistant yet we have a shocking defence and a manager who's stubourn attitude to how the game is to be played and has no other tactic or formation to adopt.



01 Dec 2016 06:48:59
It looks like we don't have the quality to play this "tiki taki" football our manager is preaching. So something needs to change.

We couldn't pass the ball after hearts came into the game.

Honestly looked like we bottled it and were in a complete panic.



01 Dec 2016 06:40:56
Got to apologise guys been on here a few times saying warbola is the new Ronny, but I think I have been doing Ronny a huge disservice .



01 Dec 2016 00:05:45
Simply don't get how people like Jim Stirling heap prais and defend tav he is a liability, keirnan for all the size of him gets bullied, Waldo no a captain for me, haliday always looks to blame, wee holt is busy but seems to spend most of the game on his arse, miller gee it up son, garner wants a fight. I could go on. worst bit we were outfought, out played. warbs didn't tactically change cause he only has 1 tactic. PATHETIC.



01 Dec 2016 00:34:59
Tavernier was the best defender for Rangers tonight. Wallace was poor, arguably the worst player in a Rangers jersey and he will never be a leader in a million years. Kiernan will never be good enough and he and Wilson are a disaster against decent quality teams. Holt is not a Premier League player, he is Championship level. Halliday tonight was arguably the best of a bad bunch and the less I say about Garner the better.

The team lacks quality but more worryingly it lacks leadership, commitment and a will to win. I would ask the question, what is David Weir's role. He certainly does't appear to be coaching these guys on how to defend or drilling into them what being a Rangers player means. As for Warburton, I am starting to side with Barton!



01 Dec 2016 03:53:10
Honesty tavernier our best defender. What were you drinking. He was at fault for both goals. Lack of ability and lack of effort. If he was our best then, we're screwed.



01 Dec 2016 09:48:33
Tav was rotten! Garner was our best player he wanted what others didnt! If we had a team of warriors we wouldn't be in this mess.



02 Dec 2016 08:42:04
You're right yogibear72,i'm a fan of tav but he was at fault for both hearts goals, in what was a poor performance! Said all along danny wilson and rob kiernan CAN'T play together as our centre half partnership! The quicker we get clint hill back in there the better! TOMUSA, like yogi bear 72,i don't know what you were watching last night regarding tav!



01 Dec 2016 00:00:36
we played great for a bunch
of headless chicken and that being said that all we being doing all season mw must go now its time for someone else its not farm animals he's playin with its fuuk football team.



 
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