Rangers Banter Archive August 01 2013

01 Aug 2013 23:47:05
Hi guys just wondering what happend to that Australian goal keeper that came over on trial last season as we were needing another keeper I just wondered if anything more was heard on it.

01 Aug 2013 21:05:45
Evening folks.

No point in worrying about the SFA and their "punishment" of Hearts being less severe than ours. What did you expect? We have being saying all along it's one set of rules for us, another for everyone else, so all this has done is prove us 100% right. They tried to break us, but we are still here and always will be. The fact remains however that we deserved a punishment, we took it with class and dignity (the Rangers way) and we have moved on hopefully with bigger and better to come in the future.

They went after us to try and make a name for themselves and make themselves look powerful because we are the biggest and most successful club in this country.

They just didn't think about the Rangers Family and the fact that we truly are more than a club.

So cheer up Bears, it could always be worse!

We were punished for going into liquidation, Hearts have been punished for going into Administration. Should they subsequently go into liquidation then I would expect a similar punishment to the one we recieved.

The punishment to hearts has nothing I do with rangers they were liquidated. The administration rules were changed meaning hearts got a 17 point deduction rangers got 10. So stop the moaning and blaming everyone else. How many of the creditors were paid back that rangers owed? They have a cheek to come out with this nonsense.

01 Aug 2013 22:59:34
Eh, Hearts haven't gone into liquidation - that's why the punishment is different. You know they'll start on -15 points whew for going into admin when Rangers were only deducted 10. New rules and all that but a hasher points deduction that Rangers. Swipe the chip from your shoulder and try to find out the facts.

N2 how many creditors did hearts pay back you must have forgot to mention

Took it with class and dignity? Remember Mr Green? Boycotts or threats?

I am surprised that Craig Mathers, the CEO, is asking these questions. Surely he knows that the original 12 month embargo was deemed illegal and not applied. So there is no comparison between hearts and rangers.

@2 no rangers wer fined for going into admin if my memory serves me right rangers got the 50k fine and points deduction wer issued well before we went into liquidation also the spl didn't give rangers the money for that season so rangers lost a lot more than 50k so if that's not double standards then I don't know what is also just shows the hatred from all the spl and sfa

@2 the rules wer changed but am pretty sure the rules that wer printed in the paper included points deduction and a fine also @1 I like how you make out your a gers fan with the we wer done for liquidation we got deducted points and fined in the 11/12 season not for the new season

2) what do you mean "how many of the creditors were paid back". How much have the creditors of Dunfermline and Hearts been paid?

I realise you still want a pop at the Rangers, but get real. There are hundreds of companies going bust up and down the country, the unfortunate result is that creditors lose out.

Perhaps you should get a job with SPFL because you clearly believe that rules that don't apply to all should apply to Rangers. The fact is that our CVA offered 9p in the pound where Dunfermlines was 0p in the pound. The hearts highest bid is rumoured to be £5m on a debt of £38m. After BDO's fee there will be less than 5p. But HMRC wanted a test case, a frightener for clubs down south. That can be seen with the current appeal that even if they win, they won't get a penny. Spending tax payers money for what?

The question should be asked because I for one, that puts my money into Scottish football, wants to hear their answer. It will be fudge, crass, but should be good for a laugh. Everybody knows that we were hammered, probably because nobody could beat us on the pitch and those handful of fans of non entities of clubs wanted their day in the sun, they wanted revenge.

The bastions of sporting integrity, the chairmen of SPL, passed the buck to SFL and it backfired big time. Well let those people explain the transfer embargo, you know the one that was found to be illegal, the one that we were blackmailed into accepting, that one.

Good on you Mather.

1) sorry but you are wrong. When we went into administration there was an immediate fine and the illegal 12 month embargo imposed. When we went into liquidation they then blackmailed us into accepting this illegal punishment.

No, rangers were punished before they went into liquidation, actually, so get your facts right and look at the timeline. We were handed a 50,000 fine and a slightly suspended 12-month transfer embargo for entering ADMINISTRATION the same as hearts yet they get a different (less sevre punishment) which is obviously going to seem unfair. I'm not sure that newcomer rangers were ever punished for liquidation? Other than the transfer embargo of course. Think about it 4 a second, why would the official rangers site say something on the hearts incident and punishment if the two sets of circumstances were different, the club wouldn't make a mistake like that (getting administration and liquidation confused or the punishment for either).

To The Op.

They went after us to try and make a name for themselves and make themselves look powerful because we are the biggest and most successful club in this country.

"You were a big succesfull club" now your a mediocre 2nd division new club on the brink of another liquidation.

Ps take it with class and dignity (the New Rangers way)


Briggies!

@2 the only creditors that hearts will be paying are romanovs two ex company's also all rangers creditors would have been paid something am sure it was 10p in the pound it's the hmrc that robbed the rangers creditors not rangers they wer the major creditor and declined the cva so that made everybody lose out but the biggest losers are all the taxpayers that are footing the bill for the muppets at hmrc to chase the oldco for money that's not there

@12 when are the uneducated persons like yourself going to get the fact that rangers history is unbroken the term newco means new company not new club

Out of interest was the £50k fine ever paid?
There is nothing new about transfer embargos being imposed. Hearts got one in the early 80;s when they failed to pay Dundee United the transfer instalments for Addison and Pettigrew.
For what its worth I would like to see each owner/major shareholder of our clubs pay a bond from their own pocket to the SFA which would not be repaid to them if an insolvency event occurs at their club.

I think this may come back to haunt Mr Mathers. He is forcing the SFA's hand. The penalty and punishments for administration have nothing to do with his company. Why is he getting involved? He will be known as the CEO that forced the SFA to admit that Rangers are indeed a new club.

Yeah the penalty imposed on Rangers was for going into administration, just as Hearts have and so the footballing authorities owe an explanation. Mind you, they can't even explain why we could play two trialists in the Ramsden Cup first round but none in the second round. Two three times in the league but none in the League Cup. Einstein couldn't explain this lot.

To be honest I think we can safely say the SPL ballsed up by hitting us hard now they realise they can't do it again ad they can't afford to let another big ish team slip out of top flight. It's a way if saying we were wrong. We shouldn't have hammered the mighty gers. It's backfired on us and we won't do it again. Neil donkey is a liability. New set up old problem /s

FFS are we stil all going on about this, who did what to who and the big boys picked on us. I will be shouted down for this but I believe that if Celtic had been in the same position the same fate would have befell them, someone on high wants rid of the OF, you lot happened to be in a sh*t state financially so they see the opportunity to possibly kill off the OF bigtory by hammering Rangers hoping they would disappear and bring an end to the OF.

Rangers FC was found “guilty” of the following offences against the SFA and SPL Rules:-

■Rangers FC breached Disciplinary Rule 2 by failing to procure that Mr Craig Whyte acted in accordance with Disciplinary Rule 1 by failing to disclose his disqualification as a Company Director.

■On 14 February 2012 The Rangers Football Club plc entered into Administration pursuant to an order of the Court of Session. This constituted an insolvency event in terms of Disciplinary Rule 14 under reference to Article 15. 1 (g).

■An allegation was made of a breach of Disciplinary Rule 66 which provides that “No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official, or other member of Team Staff, player, referee, or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall bring the game into disrepute. ” The five elements found proven by the Panel were

1 failing to procure the disclosure of his disqualification to the Scottish FA by Mr Craig Whyte.

2 failing to comply with the rules of the PLUS Stock Exchange rules by failing to disclose the disqualification of Mr Craig Whyte.

3 failing to lodge annual accounts by 31 December 2011 in terms of s447 of the Companies Act 2006.

4 failing to hold an annual general meeting by 1 January 2012 in terms of s336 of the Companies Act 2012.

5 non-payment of PAYE income tax, National Insurance Contributions and Value Added Tax to HMRC.

■Rangers FC were found not to have acted in the best interests of Association Football by failing to pay sums due to Dunfermline Athletic in respect of an SPL match on 11th February 2012.

■Rangers failed to pay sums due to Dundee United in respect of a Scottish Cup game, in breach of Disciplinary Rule 325.

■Rangers failed to pay sums due to the SFA in respect of a Scottish Cup game, in breach of Disciplinary Rule 325.

So not exactly comparing apples with apples, Hearts and Dunfermline were charged with one disciplinary charge each compared to all of the above that RFC were.

Rangers got fine for going into admin and 4 other offenses (all of whyte failure to disclose director bans).

seesh. stop re-writting history - move on.

Zammo

Maybe there was some kind of recognition by the SFA of the amount of fund-raising done by the ordinary punters of Dunfermline and Hearts in order to try and save their respective clubs from liquidation?

02 Aug 2013 12:57:05
Time for all bears to demand to know what was agreed to in this very secret 5 Way Agreement.

Considering the amount of leaks coming from all quarters in the last few years it's amazing no one really knows anything about this document. WHen something's kept this secret you just have to suspect it stinks!

There is no dignity in going bust. Rangers are not victims, their fans most certainly are. I am sick to the back teeth listening to the argument of we didn't die/ yes you did. The facts are fans will believe what they want to believe, history will be rewritten to suit the listener.
Rangers went bust Hearts look like they will go bust and Dunfermline managed to avoid it. The reality is if all of these teams survive and I hope they do, then great welcome back hopefully in a position where they will be more responsible with their finances.

23 - Agree - all other Scottish supporters are desperate to know as well.
who did it benefit & why is it so secretive.

01 Aug 2013 20:21:07
rangers are going to kick up a real stink with sfa or spfl or whoever it is that runs scottish football over the transfer bans that were handed out.

Why? Are hearts liquidated? If that is what your pathetic post is about!

@1

Nothing to do with being liquidated, get your facts right. This is to do with being placed in administration, and the corresponding punishments issued.

01 Aug 2013 20:11:49
rangers are quite within thier rights to question the rules on the transfer bans handed out to other teams. as it seems we got the sharp end of the stick while the other teams just got tickled with it.

01 Aug 2013 23:03:48
Green accepted what was on offer for entry into the league after liquidation, not administration. What other clubs have gone into liquidation recently?!

To 1 - did we not get 50000 fine and transfer embargo for going into administration not liquidation, might be an idea to look into that and see if there's any difference

@1 Yeah another wanna be smart arse. Craig Mather never mentioned liquidation, he talked about the sanctions placed upon the club when it entered administration compared to the other two. Go and research the difference between administration and liquidation.

01 Aug 2013 19:07:10
good to see a team in blue doing well in Europe. well done saints. deecee

01 Aug 2013 18:40:19
One of the biggest games in St Johnstones history and none of our scootish tv channels are interested. Disgusting.

Fantastic result for the saints tonight. Keep up the good work!

01 Aug 2013 19:06:57
OP totally agree wee St Johnstone are doing Scotland proud with another away victory tonight 0-1. They are helping Celtic rebuild our coefficient.
Timalloy

It's the Russians game to sell they probably wanted a fortune for it.

Nobody would watch hence why not on.

Alot of people would of watched it. Surprised your pleased timalloy, celtic page was littered woth fans who wanted them to lose in the last round for their "lack of respect" and "not clapping celtic onto the park"

01 Aug 2013 21:35:05
Would just like to say well done to st johnstone keep it up I cringe with the thought of the hibs result especially on agg and I hope motherwell can maybe turn it round but a long shot, from a Rangers and Scotland supporter. Watp

@5/ Littered? One thread and four replies and only one negative comment. Your spinning like jabba mate.

01 Aug 2013 12:31:11
Seen a clip from a phone of Arnold Peraltas Freekick last night nice strike read he was playing on the right though I thought he was a holding midfielder? Good to see us score straight from a set play. I've watched the Training videos he's very energetic was the fastest in his group at the shotgun runs plus he's strong looks a good acquisition at 24 if he settles in & learns some English could be a great wee player for us time will tell. It goes to show that we are looking further afield for players obviously it would be hard for us to find full internationals from South America/Africa/Asia like people were asking for yesterday that are willing to move to Scotland & on a free so just like to say well done to Ally & whoever scouted the lad because I think he will be a success. I personally would like to see him replace Black if he continues to show positive signs he could complement McLeod & Law very well in the middle & give the back 4 some
Protection.

Larky Bear

Didn't see it, but I agree, never have been a fan of Black, I thought he offered very little last term also. Here's hoping Peralta is the answer.

RTID
GDog

Black played very well on Sunday and if that continues he'll not be moving from the starting 11.

I saw it on tv this morning was a good goal. Credit where it's due.

Lenny

@2

Straight to Specsavers for you lad! Black was honking on Sunday yet again. Saved his ass with the goal, but if you watched the game you would see that he gave the ball away more often than not, often under little or no pressure. His delivery from set pieces was also a disgrace.

31 Jul 2013 23:17:46
for ED

Is this legislation pertinent to Scotland?

Paddy Malarkey {Ed001's Note - sorry mate, I am a bit lost here, which legislation? I must have missed something.}

Ed - if its a paddy post its go to be something to do either with shares or flares, thise are his favourite subjects

JG