Rangers Banter Archive February 19 2013

19 Feb 2013 21:33:29
ed see the rangers reserve team that won tonight other than the players that we have seen like aird are any of the player ones that we could be looking forward to seeing {Ed001's Note - if the manager picks them.}

Naw ed a mean is any of the players ment to be could and might go on to be good for the first team {Ed001's Note - none that I am aware of as being seen as close to the 1st team. Those that are have had the odd chance.}

I was at the game tonight and thought the young centre midfield player Andy Murdoch looked very good. Still only 17 but in time and if he gets stronger/bigger he looks a player

@2 did anybody else catch your eye, or just the one lad? as a matter of interest as this seems to be on the agenda right now, who was in goal?

JG

@3 The Right Centre Half also looked quite good (Luca Gasparotto - Canadian). He scored the second goal and looked good in the air and on the deck. Only 17 also

19 Feb 2013 16:38:33
this whole thing with green is about to descend into a total farce - how many times is this going to happen?? If we had decent supporters groups we could've got Ibrox ourselves from D&P for next to nothing last year and started from scratch in a more credible way than green has done. all avenues of income are being milked and my emphasis is on milked. If Whyte had thought out the box he'd be having a field day asset stripping and what green is doing makes Whyte look like a saint on a white charger. It's a disgrace.

If Green gets rid of Murray (using Jabba and KJ) who will be next? Dissenting voices on boards are not dealt with by ultimatums. Dissenting voices are listened to and respected otherwise you have a nodding Thatcher cabinet!

The Chairman can sack the CEO with a motion of no confidence.

The buck stops with the supporters, all had their chance and adopted an attitude that a bigger force should deal with it. This conformist attitude has to be banished.

Green is serial liquidation - too many of his floats gone this way.

But we KNOW fans are rock solid, so put money into a fan org, and get that to either build fund or buy shares.

without FANS no-one can do anything, FANS need to be more in control maybe 25% and controlling seat on board. so we KNOW what's happening.

FANS have power.

Why do we never hear any of the supporters organizations say a word when all the alarm bells are ringing

They seem obsessed by toadying to the powers that be - always looking to be the most servile.
Leadership is a foreign concept

We are in real danger of sleepwalking over another clif

4. Absolutely 100% spot on mate.

This season Rangers have shown we have some of the finest fans in the world. but we also have some of the worst servile yes men as fan's representatives.

19 Feb 2013 14:07:46
Celtic fan here I must say and I'm sure the majority of Rangers fans won't agree but Charles Green is making Rangers a laughing stock and slowly undoing his intial good work to me he is now dragging your club thru the gutter surely his recent antics are an embarresment to your once great club.

It's franchise it's not the same club; even the board of directors have stated that this is the case.

I got to agree bears, him and traynor make the club look amateurish, where have you standards gone too?

Got to agree with the three posters above our standards have dropped abysmally. my only concern is if we drop them much further we will be on a par with those displayed by Celtic.

Ozzie Al

19 Feb 2013 09:05:09
Chuckie v's Murray. Let the "Bun Fight" begin! Murray has the class and integrity the Chuckster is a worried man.

Has Charles found an exit strategy?
Maybe a good thing if he has. He delivered the share issue but the rest of his 'pie in the sky' stuff is a bit of a joke and even he must realise this.
Murray made an effort to show some remorse at least and should be given a chance to rebuild relations with the rest of Scotland. He will bring a bit of realism to the situation and start cutting the cloth accordingly.
It's going to be carnage if Green stays, it's sounding more and more like a dictatorship (with his propaganda henchman in tow) - Was this not one of the things he pledged to eradicate?
It won't be too pretty what he's left either but I'm sure the real fans will unite even more given some truth and reality that survival is what it's about and not some bull about Champions League and casinos.

Foxy

Malcolm Murray's first day, June 2012.

"It is my firm intention to ensure high standards of transparency and probity are adopted and the club will be managed with a prudent long-term strategy avoiding the fiefdoms and excesses of the past. "

So Charlie now doesn't agree?

19 Feb 2013 12:45:44
Must say, I'd trust Malcolm Murray a whole lot more than Charles Green any day of the week.

Green driving down the share price to pick up the short fall like he said he would. he did the same with his lab test company. fasten your seat belts lads!

Was there a rumour recently that M Murray wanted to talk with Dermot Desmond?

Problem is how many times has green stood down, only for company to collapse soon after he leaves,, 5 - 6 times?

Don't forget Murray has always been a Rangers man I would trust him before Green who admitted he came to us to make money and conned a lot of poeple that he's changed his mind. Murray brought the investors to the table not Green wonder whose idea it was to employ Traynor, who has suddenly changed his coat have we forgotten all the headlines he wrote against our club over the last 18 months I haven't and he has the red neck to accuse other scribes of what said about our club there was nobody as bad as he was. Beware the association between himself and Green. This does not bode well for us.
Bobby

18 Feb 2013 23:39:43
Hi Ed, Do you not think that it's Best for Rangers to start capping the wage structure. say top wage 5k per week (max). with a �1500 win Bonus, I Bet this would sort the lazy players out once & for All. Too many guys turning up each week & Not producing the Goods as far as I'm concerned. Remember were we are These days. Time to Get Real. �6500 to win each week, There's some Good players out there that would Bite your Hand Off for that Money. Just a Thought!

Op - I think what we are seeing now is that players who stayed with the club were rewarded accordingly with the contracts they received then and new players were attracted by good offers,
now when contracts come up for renewal expect wages to be set at a more realistic level according to the division we are playing in, which is what we are seeing with Alexander.

JG

JG# while I admire loyalty you seem to have taken things to another level. I have never seen you agree to any question or criticism of the current regime at Ibrox. Black was struggling to find a club, you really think it needed that much to bring him on board? He was on around £1500 a week at hearts I would have thought double that would have got him. Same with Shiels, on roughly £2000 with Killie, again double that and he would have signed. temps is maybe a bit different, but again there was not any great rush to sign him, and he was on around £1000 a week. But by far the worst is Cribari, a pal told me he had heard he is on £10,000 PER WEEK! So by your logic a fortune will have been played to players, but on their new contracts you think they will all take a pay cut? That leaves a whole new squad to be bought, signing on fees as well, and new wages. Just does not make sense.

@2 you are right, I may not be very critical of the current management team at rangers right at this time, but I sure am thankful for now that they are there, or else the scenario that many outside of the rangers wanted, may have happened, you may be included in that or you may not

for me the time to tell will come at the first AGM,
Let there be no doubts though, I am fully aware of the principal motive for this consortium taking on rangers football club, they saw a great business oportunity to make money anybody who thinks otherwise is not in touch with reality,

anyway back to the discussion, you are asking if I think all players will take a pay cut, I never said that

what I said was

they will be offered a new contract when the time comes and that new offer will be more realistic according to the division we are in at the time and could even be on a sliding scale, the players don't have to accept it, many players in clubs all over the world don't accept what they are offered, they then become free agents and leave, it has happened before it will happen again with rangers
I am however slightly surprised that everyone seems to know so much detail about the players wages though, in my own experience any contract I have had has been confidential between me and my employer but it appears that rangers are not entitled to any confidentiality any longer and every small detail of the business must be out in the public domain, I know of no other business which is run like that

JG