18 Mar 2013 22:48:35
For talking sake the leagues ended today. Under Charles Green's 14-14-14 proposal Celtic would be SPL champions, Morton would go up to the SPL, Rangers because they won division 3 would get promoted to the second tier (bypassing four division 2 teams who possibly weren't relegated). Here's the crux of it, what happens to Queen of The South? They win Division 2, and surely get a promotion (by Green's suggestion) but to where, straight into the SPL? There are only 3 divisions now bear in mind. So QOS bypass all the other former Division 1 teams and join Morton, eh, is he serious?
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The 14-14-14 set up is poor. The 12-12-18 is just as dire.
The structure should be kept the same for next season. With the proposals for the following season agreed before the campaign kicks off and all teams are fully aware of how the new system works
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@1. Nobody is dictating league reconstruction. The suits at the governing bodies are just administrators. It is the clubs that are the power in football. The SPL or the SFL cannot makes changes unless the clubs agree to it. If these clubs are happy to change the structure during a season what's the problem?
Al
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@2 the spl are tryin to dictate and bully their recon plan for next season
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The point is the clubs aren't happy for tje changes and that's why they have stalled
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6 disagrees and not one of them suggests what should happen to QOS, your silence is deafening guys.
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@4, true and that's why if they don't like it they won't vote for it. The SPL cannot steamroller anything through.
Al
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Im pretty sure #1 gives you a reply gaz. KEEP THE STRUCTURE THE SAME UNTIL CLUBS ARE GIVEN A SEASONS NTOICE OF CHANGE.
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@7 As I presume you are aware my question is aimed at people who back Green's plan. I myself think it shouldn't be done mid-season, every team should know exactly what they are playing for but if it does go ahead, can anyone who supports Green's proposal suggest what happens to QOS? I asked that at the start and I'm still asking it now.
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The spl bosses are very devious men trying to sweet talk sfl into their wee group
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18 Mar 2013 19:59:09
charles green starting his crap again about going into second tier because they deserve promotion. just remember only associate membership held and can be revoked anytime because all the threats and bullying is quite boring so p,, s of chuckles, your club have already ruined scottish football
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Maybe if he submitted audited accounts, and showed sfl WHO owns rangers (my bet is whyte&murray, as just when green about to show deeds for the propectus - whyte poped up exposed d&p and deeds not available - odd that)
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@1 whyte isn't aloud to own anything in scotish football fact
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18 Mar 2013 14:45:30
OK Rangers could win the 3rd Div in the next 2 games. at which point they would be crowned champions and normally start looking forward to next year. (lets hope its better than this has been ffs)
Won't we have some recall to CAS or Uefa, if after winning the league under current rules we are not promoted to a higher league.
Those rules to be changed (possibly) after the league has been won.
And before the usual 'going from 4th tier to 3rd tier is promotion' brigade storm in. Playing the same teams again next year will not be seen by anyone as a step in the right direction.
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Fool. We are lucky to be in a League at all. We signed up for SFL rules (and they leaned over backwards to accomodate us) and now you are bleating? Who voted for Div 3?? and who was glad to get in?
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Why don't you just shut up? Of course, because you can't. Because You are the Peepul!
Quite a few teams have had no promotion because their stadiums did not come up to standard or there was league restructuring and other reasons.
You didn't complain then because it didn't affect you. Now that you are "a wee diddy team", listen to you scream and shout! The arrogance and hypocrisy is astounding and sickening.
A happy Saint Mirren fan. {The Ed039's Note - You are hilarious, are you a big team because you won the league cup yesterday? Can you tell me when restructuring has ever prevented a team from being promoted. The stadium issues yes, but you know who you can blame for that. Yes the SPL)
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By all accounts the reconstruction plans are dead in the water. Much too much being made of the promotion issue anyway. This is the third division! Only the time scale back to the top league should be of any interest.
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Its simply too late to restructure for next season. Not enough clubs are in favour of it yet.
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"Won't we have some recall to CAS or Uefa"
No, because restructure will be voted on by SFL members (excl RFC), therefore considered within the rules by UEFA.
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// The stadium issues yes, but you know who you can blame for that. Yes the SPL //
Which was an organisation the old co Rangers belonged to and they were happy to put in those rules because it suited them. Don't blame "the SPL", you're old co were active members and dictated the rules along with Celtic at the time.
And do I think my team is a big team because it won the League Cup? No, but it is currently sitting 22 places in the league structure above your team.
A happy Saint Mirren fan. {The Ed039's Note - 22 league places above us, and all to do with quality or sporting integrity? Funny how you have never posted before your wee win yesterday, I wonder if all the faithful buddies will pack out St Mirren stadium in their next match?)
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@6 of course they won't pack out st mirren park ed, they will be back at Celtic park, Celtic reserves I've always known them as after the day they lay down to Celtic in the 80s to allow them to win league title.
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Ed I'd like too withdraw my previous speel on congratulating St Mirren please mate? Lol
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St mirren will be relegated next season and il be happy with fans like you scottish football doesn't want you
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Good weather fans at st mirren back to 3000 fans next game
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A st miirren fan when you win and a Celtic fan when you dont
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Really hope 1] never enters the world of the secret service, he starts by saying WE were lucky, and then WE signed up, and lo and behold suddenly YOU are bleating, smell east ender afoot.
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Really wish people like the ''wee st. mirren fan'' would get a grip and appreciate if it was not for the old firm they would probably be amalgamating with the near neighbours like the Burgh, behave and be grateful.
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At least the st m fans club has won something worth talking about and even not they in the top league, trying to build thier team the right way and doing well. Unlike your sry club who says boycott this and that it's all unfair and not talking about fire thier legend (who help put you where you are) of a manager who will act like winning a div 3 title is like the big trophy in cl. Spl is a lot more interesting with better games being played where they don't have to rely on penalties to beat part timers.
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Green just announced that ignoring sporting integrity rangers should go into middle tier of 12-12-18 leapfrogging several teams, just because that are diddy teams that ranger have given x10 income to?
Lol - heard it all now.
This so gers get back to SPL early and then get blocked because no 3 years audited accounts.
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Cas or UEFA recall?
Dont you need audited accounts to go there. and at least a years history?
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It was indeed, "our wee win". A win that Rangers would grab with both hands right now. Stop trying to find all the negatives.
Yesterdays Cup Final was a great day out. No hassle, no spite. A good game and the fans could mingle before and after and lots of kids there. It was an event for people to enjoy mainly because the Old Firm were not there.
You may have a big stadium and lots of fans and money (just now) but you have a long way to come back from where your old company once stood. A bit of humility would make a change. You are where you are and you will come back. in time.
A Happy Saint Mirren fan.
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Pretty sure the rules regarding stadium capacity/quality were stated at the start of each season. if the league reconstruction was announced at the begining of this season then we would have nothing to moan about. but you can't ethically say 6 games (will be even less by the time they decide) that certain clubs won't be getting what they were promised at the start. when the last reconstruction happened there was a club promoted when they won the league
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Green dumb quote
"I would also be prepared to guarantee other clubs the ticket revenue equivalent of 300 Rangers fans turning up for matches. "
This is plain bribery. offering div3 clubs money? how desperate!
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// A st miirren fan when you win and a Celtic fan when you don't //
I have never been and never will be interested in either of the Old Firm simply because of the bias that is shown on this very topic. I must be a Celtic fan because I said something "bad" about the mighty Rangers. Grow up.
A (very) happy Saint Mirren fan.
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@16 but you will get what's due to you. you are in the fourth tier if the reconstrution gos through you will be in thr third tier quite simple really
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At happy sm fan, the old firm is done and no more because one club dosent exsits anymore. Let's all move on for the better of fans (men women most importantly the children)and Scottish football alike, grow up move on leave the bigotry hate and wtv in the past. We can all have a go at our rivals or clubs we don't like but keep it civil and know the lines not to cross, we can all have fun in that but no need for the dumb old thinking shiat. That goes for all clubs and fans
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How is guaranteeing clubs additional funds bribery?
Its an incentive, that's the whole idea behind proposals - finding the best deal for scottish clubs - more money!
The Green haters just jump on every comment he makes and foam at the mouth.
What about when the spl insisted the sfl let us into division 1 or they would nee to reduce the payments they make. NOW THAT WAS BLACKMAIL
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Re: 12-12-18. Just for clarifacation.
It is not that Rangers are being refused promotion. It is simply that EVERY DIV3 TEAM IS BEING PROMOTED WITH THEM.
See. Happy days.
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@7 REMEMBER Dunfermline laying down to you lot then Jimmy Tango's revelation's at the weekend, pot and kettle, suck it up.
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@6so with rangers not there now who's dictating the rules now il hazard a guess and iv came up with 1 fat slanty eyed man going by the name peter liewell
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Saying to clubs, VOTE FOR US OR WE WILL BOYCOTT YOUR GROUND.
Is that blackmail or an incentive?
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@7. do you realise that if hearts had beaten dundee that day the celtic score would not have mattered one jot. a hearts win would have won the league, they lost it all by themselves. shammy
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@26 just blame Peter for all Chelski's problems too, Peter didn't spend the tenners when he didn't have them and that's why we're Champions.
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@6 FFS ED draw your neck in, you were the one who blamed the SPL, the man's right Rangers (oldco) were one of the SPL at the time who voted these sanction's in. As for your comment's do you think your a big team now, childish and immature, really should grow up, your acting like a big wean
Tam {The Ed039's Note - Reming you of anyone Tam?)
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#27 isn't that what celtic fans threatened todo? They said they weren't going to attend away grounds if rangers were voted back into spl. There is No denying it. Just as many if the fans are claiming to cancel sky espn because they don't want ti watch third division football - and encouraging fellow fans to do the same - boycotting sky so they would drop low league football. that's sporting integrity for you.
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#31. This is the problem. A few keyboard jockey fans say something and you hold it against the entire club and all the fans. Rangers went bust and really could not be allowed into the SPL. It would set an extremely dangerous precedent.
IMO the problem with allowing democratic voting is every club vote in their own self interest (including Rangers). Therefore, nothing ever seems to get done that is purely for the good of the game as a whole.
However, when the SPL teams voted not to allow NewCo Rangers to take over OldCo Rangers place in the SPL they actually voted fairly for something that could cost them. Rightly so. Outside OF, no other team would even have got a vote about them.
The difference is that the Rangers fans did (mostly) boycott Dundee Utd. Refused their own team support in an important game. They didn't just threaten it on a laptop.
(Personally I think a lot of the reason was cause you knew you would get pumped. )
If I come on here and say that if Rangers are jumped to DIV1 through reconstructuring Celtic fans will not renew season tickets, boycott away grounds, picket outside ASDA (only cause it's near ma house), cancel our nuddy book subscriptions & beat up oor weans. It doesn't make it so.
100 fans at Dundee Utd actually happened.
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18 Mar 2013 08:38:50
Think its pathetic people are coming on here slating the likes of Perry, Hutton and Hegarty when you have players like Ian Black, Dean Shields and Cribari who have been woeful all season and are getting paid between 4-7 grand a week! another thing I disagree with is the fact we are getting linked with foreigners we should be looking in the first and second division for young Scottish talent
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Cribari, Black, Sandaza, Argyriou & Faure are the biggest problems & in my honest opinion 2k a week is even far too expensive for our 1st team GK so Alexander has to go & Cammy bell is not the answer because hel get a big contract aswell! Does anyone else think that Sandaza would be a much better player for us if we were playing the ball on the deck? Our style really doesn't suit the guy and it's harsh to give him so much stick when he rarely gets threaded a decent pass to feet or in behind! I really would like us to try get Goncalves & McGowan from St Mirren I know Paul's an ex Celt but he's a very tidy wee player with a good future in the game. Nicky Law is also the type of player I'd like to see us go for but wages are a factor because Rangers can't let the wage budget go overboard ever again it's shamefull that we have to spend money we don't have just to compete in these lower divisions!
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The problem with getting players from first and second division is that they will want 4 year contracts, so if we made it to SPL in 2-3 years they would still be in the team but wouldn't be good enough to win SPL. So we would have to buy more players. Even if it is young players, they wouldn't develop enough to win SPL. The team needs youth mixed with experience.
There is no point singling out players, the whole team has been poor.
The players are not on high wages because they are good players. They were offered higher wages to convince them to drop down the leagues. They would not be on those wages if we were in the SPL. That being said I have no idea why Cribari is on the money he is and what mccoist saw in him.
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Do you think the three amigos could spot a player between them?
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Cribari is the worst centre half I've seen apart from caldwell when he was with celtic
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@1 So Alexander has to go, so loyalty only work's one way for the bear's then, so much for those who stayed would be given legend status
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N5 I think if alexander is not willing to take pay cut he should go he sat on the bench for big bucks also I think of loyalty from guys like mcculloch he told rangers he would play for nought that's loyalty
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@6. Just as well McCulloch never put that in writing or his Green-ness would have held him to it and pocketed the saving. As for Alexander; Rangers were willing to pay him big bucks to sit on the bench, so don't blame the player.
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N7 ime not blaming the player for sitting on the bench for big bucks but ime blaming the player now for his greed cheers
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@8 Get your fact's right Alexander was willing to take a pay cut but not till the end of his contract
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18 Mar 2013 06:29:35
Can someone please tell me why Black keeps testing the boundaries with referees? I come from a time when Ranger's players were respected by everyone. Struth or Symon would not have let Black anywhere near Ibrox. Do we really need him in the team.
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Reputation goes before him - bolox - Remember he made the comment about 'cowards' coming in from behind or from the side - I've never seen him making a face on 50/50 challenge yet!
Pot kettles and very very black spring to mind.
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Black is a marked man by refs but he should wisen up before flying into people
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Op I remember the symon years and I don't think any of the current team would be first team players if it wasnt for current situation cheers
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