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18 Jul 2012 20:43:18
Why are the last few titles possibly being strippe. I thought we stopped using ebts in 2009?
any thoughts ed? {Ed052's Note - Not sure myself mate.
Nobody really knows yet mate until the SPL or SFA think up a plausible excuse.
Ozzie Al
18 Jul 2012 22:12:10
how come rangers need to pay old football debts but players from the same club can leave for free
If this debt is not paid then in the future even though old club debt will have a effect on eufa letting deals go through and at the very least will make clubs under ther wing ask for any purchase for a player to be cash up front
18 Jul 2012 22:05:38
can anyone one shed any light on this here how can anyone put up a million quid and get 10% of a company with assets according to reports near the £100 million mark i'm no maths expert here but 10% of £100 million =£10 million
this looks like another stitch up and it's another hand in the cherry pie taking another slice of rangers away if this keeps going the way it's going fellow bears i don't see a light at the end of the tunnel more of another nail in the coffin i think the stone mason has already had the order for the grave stone
also might i add Ive heard a massive rumour that ticketus indeed own rangers C .Green is only the pawn in this game of chess the end is nigh fellow bears i fear the worse for our once proud club WATP
Indeed you are correct, Ticketus have placed Green in control till they get their money back. Then you are back in the mire. But I dont think anyone connected to you anticipated D3. Even aparently 80% of you supporters "craving" it. So I'd stick your money on Ticketus cutting their losses and removing Green, Murray, Khan et al from their mission, plunging Sevco in Administration, spelling the ultimate END.
Not a single competative game by Sevco. Dont bet against it.
Where are the 'rangers minded men' that so many go on about, the ones that had and still have all the big talk, let them put 1 million, 2 million 3 million in, greeen has said he will welcome any investment,
if i had it i would give it
in fact why doesnt the rff (to which i donated) invest the money they have in the rangers and buy a share for the fans who donated
JG
18 Jul 2012 21:40:50
Guy Gisborne . . . from Nottingham . . . ye canny make s**te like this up!
As for the Craig Mather's Sports Company, you know the one incorporated on 20th Dec 2011 - quite the sporting pedigree, trading successfully for 6 f*cking months. Rangers youth development . . . ??
Roll on the season - no one likes us, we don't care, yes, we really don't care.
Sane Bear
18 Jul 2012 21:14:44
Will someone get me a shrink, i need all those partys we had wiped out, 5 titles and 4 cups, thats nine hangovers for nothing!
18 Jul 2012 20:37:32
There are a lot of fans on here going on and on about us. As i see it things can only get better for us (cant say that about a lot of the other clubs)
big D
Well...some other team is gonna finish 2nd to The Champions...:)....earn some cash for their coffers
We cant glorify the demice of other clubs after what murray and whyte done to us as for other fans they shouldnt glorify on our demise .we the fans done nothing wrong and are paying big time for 2 peoples greed.
2) i wasn't trying to glorify the demise of other clubs. just sajing things are as good as they get for some
big D
18 Jul 2012 19:34:53
Bomber is not the guy we need to lead a fans consortium. He is a gers fan ill give you that but he is a loudmouth nutter who is not trying to make business with green , he is trying to make war with him
It was stated in here that Bomber was working with the Celtic supporting millionaire builder and CG interviewed him regarding it and sacked him.
Bomber later told the press the relationship with the buildings development guy was 'to smoke people out'.... Clearly bomber is a disgruntled former employee.
18 Jul 2012 19:23:45
Fellow Bears, just been given heads up on this Di Stefano bloke. Looks like another chancer that has crawled out from underneath a rock. Banned director and convicted fraudster. We don't need his sort adding more fuel to the many fires burning at the moment.
Never is he ?? Thats some heads up every1 in this plannet knows this so well done for just getting a heads up
Heads up! ah know were his heads up ... craig white & charles greens a**e ! balbus....
Big Bill....
18 Jul 2012 19:11:03
They're taking our titles away, it's just not fair!
Outrage!
Miko x
Take away what they want in my mind and every rangers supporter they will always be a more successful team, as a previous poster stated shall we now add the cups and titles won during the war? Or would that be stooping to your level. Haven't you got something better to be doing that posting total p**h on here, go back to your Pathetic shed site or whatever you are called.
Your just not welcome here!!!
Excellent news, at last caught and done for the 'estimated attendances' tax scam by the Kelly/Whyte dynasty!
You appealing it Miko?
No2...what has fans jumping or doubling up at the turnstiles got to do with the kelly/whyte dynasties?it happened at every club in the 60s,70s and 80s.... your own club included.
@3 i think youll find the point being made was not fans skipping in for free,it was that septic fans were paying but their cash was not being declared,i.e 40000 in the ground but gate receips for 20000
18 Jul 2012 17:50:21
I hope that when everything is resolved rangers sign player who can't play for Scotland. Since the sfa seem hell bent on punishing us for their failings.
Highly unlikely to afford to sign players GOOD ENOUGH to wear the Dark Blue of Scotland methinks?
Who cares about the sfa sod them mate time to look after our own interests leave the rest to squabble over what's left.
A couldn't care about Scotland they are mince a will never go to any off the games again they would struggle in a juniour league and for the mob running it enough said RIP Scottish football lol ps good luck britain
@1. Scotland are utter dump. If we can't get better than that level in a relatively short space of time, we'd be better off chucking it altogether btw. Now some American C internationals..... :-)
18 Jul 2012 17:04:59
Just seen the new black strip. It's a cracker. It seems a but strangerhisnis the only place I can find anything about it. Nothing even on the rangers site. So glad the crest n five stars is there
18 Jul 2012 16:25:06
Anyone with half a brain will know that if they want to see Rangers or what ever name we will or want to be called really survive ther is only one guy at the moment who can provide that possibility and that is Charles Green,and if yoiu cast your mind back to Celtic's problems when Fergus McCann arrived he also had the same intentions----which was that he would ride to the rescus but would leave having made a profit Charles Green has said he intends making money so leave the guy alone there is no one else and let him try to avoid us ending up like Third Lanark.
Couldn't have put it any better m8 decent post well said.
Andy
Fergus told us where the money came from. Unlike CG!
18 Jul 2012 16:09:22
Ed how are you?
Ok heres my point. Rangers have a history and in that history some wrong doing were done. Now I dont know if its just me but history cant be changed that is why it is history. All we can do is take it on the chin(any punishment) get on with it, support rangers and change the future. Scottish football has been on a downward spiral for years and it is upto us and others (fans and clubs) to start going back up the way. It may take years but lets get behind clubs and do it. tbh with all the sky/tv money being in dispute, fine let them take it away. i think it may help with increasing gate money with 3pm kick offs being the norm. lets just stop all the moaning and groaning and get on with it.
Cheers
Kriss
18 Jul 2012 15:36:31
Regardless of it's perceived legality at the time, regardless of the claims that the SFA were aware of it, regardless of the fact that at some level these payments were in Rangers accounts annually, why did Rangers feel the need to "obscure/hide" the payments in a second contract? Doesn't that imply that Murray was aware they weren't exactly above board and in the spirit of the guidelines and rules? That has always been a key question for me.
And it's a good question except do you not think you are being a bit presumptive? Surely we need to establish whether the dual contracts actually existed before we question motive, culpability and consequences?
Precisely! The secrecy and furtive behaviour betrays knowingly breaking the rules.
SDM has been unmasked these last months as an extremely dodgy geezer.
@ 1) "Prima facie" evidence, also it was in a list of sanctions Rangers it seems were prepared to accept for division 1 entry, I wouldn't regard that as presumptious at all therefore.
Listening to stv news tonight green was in talks with sfa regarding 1st div entry by accepting stripping of titles the fact that he agreed would show there was dual contracts just dont who or what to believe these days
@3 prima facie evidence? this can be translated in different ways, my view is on first reading of evidence rangers have a case to answer and i hope we are given a chance to do so and are not railroaded into taking sanctions for the sake of a smooth transfer of the sfa licence.rangers always seem to be guilty until proven innocent
Agreed 5, lets see the evidence, rangers then should be given an oppertunity to defend themselves and a verdict should be saught from an independent body, (not I suggest the SFA).
18 Jul 2012 15:01:15
Hi ed, did Livingston have a transfer embargo and 15 point reduction when they started again? I don't recall anything like that. {Ed052's Note - No they were just demoted to Division 3.
Livingston ran out of cash pure and simple, it did not involve wilful non-payments. That is the difference.
And after Airdire bought Clydebank and changed the name and moved to another location they went into Div2.
Livingston were never liquidated as we were they got themselves sorted as we should have done. Let's not look for excuses. Murray, Whyte and the SFA all played parts in our downfall. We can be great again but we must accept there has been wrong doings even though it was not the fans or indeed the players of recent times to blame for this fiasco. Follow Follow
Bobby
The transfer embargo is not for going in administration.
In fact the transfer embargo and the £100,000 fine are the only punishments Rangers have received as yet.
Because they did not need to have a licence transferred.This is what the penalties against Greens newco are for.
Well its time to forget the past and look to the future just got my tickets for the first ever the Rangers game next wednesday against kelty hearts at central park cowdenbeath.Tickets went on sale at 5 oclock this afternoon i got mine at 10 past 5 and my ticket numbers are 1175 and 1176 if you want to go get tickets through follow follow if theres any left its going to be fun and sky sports news and stv will be there lets make the atmosphere at this game amazing and show why we are the best fans in the world. {Ed052's Note - same here mate I'm looking forward to it
@2 so is that not the same as what livingston did do...im sure they must have had debts yes?? which is tick as we had right......so they couldnt repay it right......and we couldnt repay it right......but ours is different.....WRONG......you are as deluded as the rest of them debt my friend is debt no matter how you accumulate it....all teams out of business or in admin were obviously spending outwith there means so stop gibbering...just cos i bought a holiday on ma credit card and you bought a car on yours it doesnt matter its all debt pal...
Tam-Sir 1873 Likes the new look of the strip black and light blue...
£160,000 fine.
Why do people post £100k only?
Also Craig Whyte was fined £200k.
Are your lot not boycotting Skyt Sports and cancelling subscriptions ?
Paddy Malarkey
When you bears are at Cowdie check out the pit gate. Crashed there many a time lol. CheltBlue
Enjoy the wonder that is Central Park. Maybe then it will start to hit home.
Nothing wrong with cowdenbeath m8 i live there and it will be a superb night but good to see you are still obsessing about us.And any rangers fan that wants to cancel sky can do it if they want i wont my wife works for sky so i get it free lol.
// Nothing wrong with cowdenbeath m8 i live there //
But I support a team on the other side of the country. Why? I think I can guess.
See there you go again being stupid i live in cowden now i have stayed in england stayed in glasgow in edinburgh.But at the end of the day what does where i stay have to do with which football team i support??
I dont reacall what sanctions/punishment was recieved for no accoutn by Duff and Phelps? wa sthere any? if not why not an dis there goiing to be? if so we should sue their bloodys butts of.
18 Jul 2012 14:59:56
Afternoon bears,
Now that things have started to progress, slowly, we must look forward and support the team wherever we are playing.
The possibility of bringing new players in slim, but i think we will be given the opportunity to replace the players who have walked away with free agents.
That being said i feel we need to bring in some experience and was looking for ideas as to who we could go for.
One player i think we should consider is stephen craigan from motherwell now a free agent, he is a good centre half and could enhance perry similar to davie weir.
I would also consider some former players who could do a turn, mo ross, bob malcolm,steven hughes.
What other free agents would you go for?
East enclosure loyal
Rumours the Charlie Miller and Bob Malcolm have just signed for Drumchapel Utd Amateurs...........................:-0
Bob malcolm now got coaching badges now working at east fife ....his da big bob
Think Mo Ross, Craigan and Malcolm would be great shouts.
Think we will sign a few league 1/2 players, as people on board have contacts.
Steven craign has retired he is not a free agent
18 Jul 2012 15:09:43
if ferguson still gived a dam about our club he would rejoin us im sure he doesnt need the big money any more and for john brown why were you not looking to buy rangers back in march back off and give green a chance
18 Jul 2012 14:26:44
they want to strip us off titles & cups for dual contracts what that got to do playing football 11 men v 11 men is not as if they were taking drugs thats cheating but we were beating they on the park not our fault septic didnt have better players... mr myle
Ridiculous statement. These players should not have been on the pitch in a rangers shirt, this is the issue
Uh huh you're absolutely correct. Well spotted and well understood. You're definitely going to feel a great sense of injustice when this misguided deed takes place by the governing bodies, who are clearly in great error.
Not an expert... but I think it is Rangers fault that THEY had better players... EBT's, double contracts, tax avoidance, brown envelopes were how Rangers could afford the better players. Remember, with these better players, between 2002/3 & 2010/11 Rangers won 5 leagues. But only by: 1 x goal difference, 2 x 1 point, 1 x 4 points & 1 x 6 points. These better players may have made a big difference.
If not, why risk it !?
It is. Celtic didn't use underhand means to pay for players they couldn't afford - forget Keene etc. as that was above board. Double contracts were supposedly used by Rangers to afford players they wouldn't otherwise have been able to afford. What is it that you and others don't understand about it and that, if proven, it was cheating.
If these honours are stripped then who gets awarded them? if the dunfermline decision is anything to go by we'll expect a raffle to determine?
J1985
So if a team say, real Madrid, spend money that isn't entirely theirs? There cheats? Football has become a money game. We were in the champions league for years. See once the champions of Scotland didn't automatically qualify. It was harder and that wasn't always the case. There's no money in the Scottish game to be why u personally want ur team to be. When u have that kind of income. You don't question where the money actually comes from. Who does? Man u fans? Man city's money? Man u have been doing it for say the last 20 years. There in debt. Theve had to kirb there spending. As which is quite right. N that's why it's only just started with financial fair play. So how can we be stripped of titles? If the rule has just came in? We're no going by the sfa's rule book on this one. It wis 11 players v 11. The odd sendings off. But we were us. You were you. Ul realise this when theres no old firm game. N winning the league at a canter. It will bore your team to pieces eventually. 3rd division is a suitable punishment. Il take that. Transfer embargo should be buying players. N we serve our punishment. But that isny good enough for alot of Celtic fans on here. We will come back. Just try n catch the 54 on record that we've won. U can take away helicopter Sunday when skippy gave uz it if u like. Motherwell deserved the league that year for doing that. But we won it. Us
B bear
The clubs who came second in the SPL and cups deservedly won the trophies. Their players deserve the medals and the Rangers players need to hand them back.
Thousands of people paid to watch their teams in these cup finals and on the pitch on the day rangers won witnessed by all how could it have changed the results if sfa had known about the ebts it was a game of football the players played fair and square on the pitch on the day
18 Jul 2012 12:30:40
To descriptions of "nonsense" and insults yesterday I suggested if things follow their inevitable conclusion then silverware stripping would happen. Lo and behold 12 hours later it is revealed that it was indeed proposed in a draft document for Rangers division 1 inclusion. I must confess given some of the replies, smug doesn't begin to cover it. I mean what was the chances that I would get replies from ALL the members of "The world is still flat true blues loyal" bus that leaves from Brigadoon each week? I feel honoured, thanks guys.
Nescafe jar, nose, closer. Would be my recommendation. EBT's are indeed not illegal, however the way Rangers implemented them was, not necessarily in a tax sense, that is yet to be established in the big tax case but suffice to say "prima facie" evidence was found by the SPL with regards their particular set of rules. The very fact that not one single penny of these loans has been repaid is ample proof of that, they were not loans, end of chat.
As for Juninho, he played 14 league games, at worst, even though he did play in defeats, that would be 42 points off leaving Celtic 5th or 6th in the 2004-2005 season, not relegation as someone suggested yesterday. If that title was therefore to go to Hibs then I have no problem with that.
Gaz
Brian quinn x bank of england would not sanction ebt's and celtic settled all tax accounts before closing dates. so all above board and therefore no penalties , stop clutching at straws. shamrock
Is it actually a "fact" that none of the EBT loans have been repaid? I'm sure you're right but I wasn't aware that this had been publicly admitted/confirmed?
Shamrock, what are you talking about? I'm a Celtic fan, all I'm saying is that if we are accountable for Juninho then it wouldn't have led to relegation like a Rangers fans suggested yesterday. And if Juninho is seen in the same light as approximately 3,000 Rangers offenses then I'm sure we can take 14 on the chin.
Gaz
I understood that Celtic inherited an EBT scheme from Juninho's previous employers and that the moneys paid into it were not for playing for Celtic. Can anyone confirm this?
What about Dempsys funding of the two Keanes and Bellamy, all three contracts breach SPL rules of non club funding, these are cases that will be looked at. If the trophies are taken away then maybe we will get you lot to stay on your own sites for a while
The tax man has not yet paid a visit to Celtic park to investigate the use of EBT's nor have the SFA officially had an investigation on the Jouhino matter. at the moment it is only mr S.F.A lewell who has denied it was all above board.
Ozzie Al
@ 2) The BBC programme said none had been repaid to that point, not necessarily fact I give you but if you take it that some of them started in 2002, some reports say earlier, then this is clearly the last opportunity to repay them as I'm led to believe they last 10 years.
As for other accusations of Celtic having other shady deals for players, when you find that the SPL claim to have "prima facie" evidence get back to me eh?
Gaz
Post 5; what an idiotic post.Do you know desmond paid this money? Did he give it to celtic as a loan? he is the owner after all. Straw clutch of the day.MUG.
No8; MUG ......ha ha ha I'm not the one trawling RFC sites to spout mince cause I luv ra sellik, firstly he doesn't own Celtic he is a majority shareholder, secondly it was widely reported at the time he was paying the wages out of his own pocket which is against SPL rules, now away back to the SPL blogs and leave us Div3 to ourselves. ;-)
I am trying to understand your need to carry on talking about EBT's when this has been going on for so long and still no conclusion has been reached.
If i'm a celtic fan i'm getting excited about a CL campaign and potential signings, yet all i seem to hear coming out of celtic fans mouths is "rangers this, rangers that".....In division 3, won't see Celtic for at least 3 years yet we are still their main subject of discussion........Sad really!!
J1985
Firstly J1985 this situation has had a knock on effect on the whole of Scottish football, all 42 clubs, so anyone could feel justified in having an opinion. From a Celtic perspective it has cost us money, more than the rest might I add and it has cost us the 11-1 vote, not that I personally am against that.
Another reason I contribute is that I find a lot of what is said head in the sand delusional garbage, a Ger yesterday saying Celtic should have been relegated in 2004-2005 for Juninho, they won 92 points and he played in 14 league games, do the maths eh!
Gaz
@7 will Rangers go after the loans if they are not paid within ten years?
But gaz peter lawell said everything would be fine without rangers so why are you worrying???
J1985
Lol J1985, no I'm gooD mate, I just think this has involved more than Rangers and as such everyone can get their say. Not often something in Scotland impacts on every club but this seems to. But as I say the 11-1 veto I wont miss, never thought we should have had it in the first place.
Gaz
18 Jul 2012 11:55:41
Rangers beat airdrie 2-0 at Murray park
Gonny call it Auchenhowie please. It looks like the gross mismanagement of the egocentric who will soon have his title stripped might even cost us past trophies. And no matter what conspiracy theories anyone can come up with if this happens it will be almost entirely be the fault of that man who doesn't deserve to have his name linked with emerging Rangers talent!
BARNEY BEAR
18 Jul 2012 11:45:42
does any1 know if rangers will be in fifa 13? {Ed039's Note - Probably not)
No FIFA 13 have dropped us because we ain't in SPL.
Doesn't look like it unless through the cup in an SPL season
18 Jul 2012 06:39:35
hi ed,judicial review said embargo was unlawful and refered it back to sfa,so how can sfa aller ordompose it again,also are sfa contravining european labour laws stoping a club employing an unemployed football bosman? blue bear
The judge ruled that the transfer embargo was not withing the SFAs rules to impose on anyone. The actual ban, if it's accepted, is not in itself illegal.
18 Jul 2012 10:56:41
Elgin 1 sheep 0, ayr 4 Motherwell 1, Morton 4 killie 1, sfl all the way. Ha.
It would be even better had that been in the cup lol
18 Jul 2012 10:41:05
Just seen Bomber out in the media again suggesting wee Barry is backing his bid to buy the club...£40k from a stack if former players to raise £10mil...fantasy land John... Shame to say if but he's the wrong guy at the right time!
Dumb n dumber...... I cringe every time wee Barry opens his trap.
18 Jul 2012 09:56:51
Don't know about guy's out there but I am highly suspicious of Peter Lawell's involvement in all of this as a member of the SFA committee and his friendship with Stuart Regan, surely a conflict of interest.
I would imagine that he is publicly not seen to be having an input as to what's going on, but given the leaked e mail and the suggestion that him and Regan were having secret meetings I bet he has been pulling Regans strings.
Ogalvie and smith ?? conflict of interests.. shamrock
Good god,another Leggat devotee.Try and understand everything thats happened to your club is their own fault.
Now i am really fed up, if we have to loose 9 trophies, and not sign anyone for a year and it makes you lot sleep better, then so be it, i dont care any more, i just want to watch the team i love, and hopefully progress through the leagues, and get back to the top playing level, where i think we belong, what that playing level will be i dont know, as i do think that a lot of more clubs will hit the wall, as i said afew months ago be carefull for what you all wished for big eck
The SFA has been in the hands of Rangers minded people for decades. Are you suspicious of that fact?
Get a life u just cant accept what your club done allways looking for someone else to blame
Jorge cadettes registration hold up. won you the league .. shamrock
Signing robbie keane and selling Scott MacDonald and Barry Robson won us another league, also signing w flood and not Fletcher won us another 1.
Ok never thought i would here myself saying this but here we go.I think we need to accept that through the hatred of supporters of other teams rangers are finished in scotland now this is not what i wanted.But heres the interesting part here theres another rangers that play in scotland Berwick Rangers but berwick is in england getting the idea yet.Why does green or someone else like walter not buy berwick and apply to join the english leagues.Never thought i would say this but i would go as i am now sick to the back teeth with scottish football.
Yeah. Let's just buy up another team, who have history, tradition and soul and forget about THEIR supporters. Doesn't matter, as long as Sevco get what they want.
3.} you don't want the spl to surrive so what's to come back to. shamrock
@9 I never said anything about taking away their history i was stating we could buy them no need to change name we would stay at t6heir ground and improve it the only important bit is they are also called rangers.So heres a idea what concern is it of yours except you cannot move on remember according to you lot rangers are dead so why are you still here OH YES ITS BECAUSE OF YOUR HATE towards a club that no longer exists so m8 i really dont give a monkeys what you think.
Lawell on SFA board and now Riley on SPL board , wonder what they have planned ??
Shamrock where did i say i dont want the spl to survive, what i am saying it wont be the same as it is now, once again paranoid minds at work, and you only read what you want to, there is another site called celtic rumours you should try it big eck
18 Jul 2012 08:04:50
Ok guys we've been given a spot in div 3 pending that we get an sfa licence imo it will freshen things up a little as we will be visiting different grounds ect and don't know about anyone else but I like the thought of following my team to proper football grounds with no aires or graces and find it a wee bit romantic in football terms and also being able to play a few seasons without that daft end of season league split which I never liked anyway where's sporting integrity when the team in 7th has the potential to end the season on more points than the teams in 6th and possibly 5th I have always though since I was a young boy that the top league should have 16 teams playing each other twice and bring in the highland league and other clubs with good facilities and have 1st and 2nd div of 20 teams and hopefully if we could get a 3rd div of 20 but if not I think 3divs with a total of 46 clubs would be more than sufficent for a country of our size and everyone in every div would only play each other twice with 3 up and 3 down in each div with the possibility of playoffs and this would also allow for a winter break in the top div and the season wouldn't need to start as early and if you add into this idea the pyramid system that people have been talking about where I think this would also allow other clubs like juniors ect to gain entry into the Scottish professional league system as I was really starting to get fed up of playing teams 4 times a season and this includes when we played Celtic as teams were just too familiar with each other. let me know if you agree for disagree as this is only my opinion.
Legend79
Work a lot in the Aberdeen area and I can tell you that the Peterhead fans are looking forward to our visit and in fact are treating it like a Cup Final. Take it from me the ground will be full even if some bears go ahead with what I think are pathetic promises to boycott all away games. I'll be there hopefully and reckon it'll be a cracking atmosphere!
BARNEY BEAR
18 Jul 2012 02:54:58
Just watched the video of Big "We've got wur dignity" Bomber, cannot believe how many folk were getting a bit carried away with it. Fair play to the big man, he's got our clubs best interest at heart and putting his reputation on the line a bit, but the whole rambling address to the fans was a bit of a shambles. His hearts in the right place but his heads up his arse in my opinion. If he thinks he can win over all our support by dropping a few cliches and whatever else we want to hear he's gonna have a harder task than he thinks (I was genuinely waiting on "Nae green and whyte at ma club"). If he had his head screwed on with actual financial backing (not finances on the premise that we don't buy season tickets from Green) then to gain our support he should've been at the table months ago with Walter et al, before the real damage was done. I don't even rate this as a Blue Knights PR job I just think it's a bit naive and misguided. The title deeds bit that i think he mentioned once or twice is important, Green should be looking to address this, but again he doesn't have to answer to JB. I'm by no means a Green fan but he's here and we need to get on with it, I wouldn't be surprised if Whyte saw the plusnet ad (Good honest broadband from't Yorkshire) and thought we'd assume Green was as honest as the broadband.
Thoughts ed?
BigBlueBear11
18 Jul 2012 01:23:02
Jsd a wee question for my fellow bears if the transfer embargo is took away who do use think we will go after ?
Well it has to be youngsters so that Neimar of Brazil might be a target.
Dont know who we sign but one thing is for sure we had about 70 players on our books last season therefore our coaches are going to get a showing up if we do not have youngsters in the reserves and under 21's who can play and win the 3rd division after all the money that has been spent on our academy. I did see a young welsh guy on sky news last night who plays in the welsh league and scores goals for fun. could be a good prospect
JG
JG
18 Jul 2012 01:04:27
Rangers2 airdrie 1
I maybe mistaken but thought we needed a licence to play games, which we havent got yet, even behind closed doors. Hope this wont lead to more problems..
McCoist may have stuffed up again. Even a bounce game with no license isn't allowed.
Rumour they were in the old club's strip with RFC badge and 5 stars. That's not allowed either. The neck of some people.
Show me the evidence you have that makes you an authority on this ? Cannae play a bounce game behind closed doors without a licence ? your making it up to suit your twisted little mind ....
Why would the RFC badge not be allowed ? Your making it up ya trumpet ......
I think I might head over to Celtic rumours and wrote about rangers, least there will be no tims over there posted as they all seem to be here!
McCoist really does lurch from one error of judgement to the next.
It was classed as a training session hence why they were wearing training strips
Oh no im worried now i played a game of a 11 aside 2 days ago but i never had a license hope the SFA dont find out.Honestly grow up no one was paid no one was charged to watch the game so what is the need for a license or wait there is it against the law to have a kickabout these days any wonder football is f-cked in this country.
Nice to see Pre season kicked off with challenging game against first div side.
Us div3 boys need to set our sights high.
Nice to see your season kickoff with a defeat against a German amateur side.
18 Jul 2012 00:21:13
here we go again - 1 step forward then 2 back.
Were in, but ah wait until we impose sanctions now.
Wouldn't be surprised if they tell us we CAN play, but only if we DONT wear boots !!
Getting sick of the whole thing - last year the bank loan was coming down, i think it was 17m, Whyte arrived and the whole thing went belly up. coincidence ? i dont think so.
Administrators should know where ALL the cash went.
My reckoning, The sanctions are far too severe, going down 3 divisions should be more than enough. How are we supposed to put a team on the park with a transfer ban ?
How hard is it to comprehend this: you weren't punished by being relegated three divisions. That is simply a consequence of starting a new club.
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH,,,As your a NEW TEAM,thats been allowed into the SFL3..Demotion Is Not a Penalty.So the corrupt sfa should not sanction any punishments too a NEWCO.But the donkeys in charge have too stop chasing the carrot infront of them& shove it up er a$$!!stevo
Jeeeesoo, yer slow. look you can listen to yersels talking mince all day, you're clearly in love with yersel but face facts. The SPL had the option of transfering the share to the newco, they chose not to, effectively a punishment which led to us applying for a lower league place.
To say otherwise just proves you're blinded by hate.
@1 ok you have done that one to death, change the Fn record, Ed do we really need to put up with this drivel from timmy on a daily basis?
JG
@4: there's plenty of drivel from Rangers fans too or haven't you noticed that through the blue specs?
18 Jul 2012 00:04:48
It's good to have an ED that's a rangers fan now. {Ed013's Note - I will pass it on to her}
Not sue if this is the rigt place or not. I am a 17 year old soccer player from the US I play for a semi professional team in the MSL. I have just been watching the soccer show we all watch over here, and they have just aired a panel discussion with the headline "worst punishment ever in world soccer handed out to Rangers by Scotlands football Authorities. It grabbed my attention as myself and my friends never miss the Old Firm game when it is on. Not technically the best standard but definatly the most exiting for its passion and tough tackling. I have got to say I am extremely shocked at the way you guys have been treated when contributing as much as you have to the Scottish game and myself and friends will miss the games very much. My second shock was to find that for once all the panel members were in agreement and were laughing at the clear stupidity of this ludicrous decision, but also saying that the decision was driven by a hatered of what the club stood for rather than sporting reasons ( the first time they have ever all agreed on something).
I never really supported any of the two teams but the way you have been treated has meant that you have now got a whole lot of new soccer fans on this side of the Atlantic cheering you on as myselfs and my friends will. Stay strong and good luck with everything in your future. RFC forever.
J. Randolph USA
P.S hope you get this as I was given this web adress by a friend & not sure if it is correct
Welcome to the crazy life of a gers fan, hope you and your mates watch our fight 2 get back 2 spl on t.v as it looks like sky or bbc want 2 cover our games, its good 2 know we still have friends cheers mate
Quite ignorant, really, to think it was a punishment.
Yes welcome to planet football mate but remember if you ever go to Ibrox that they have big banners saying 'Yanks Go Home'.
Its their own little way of making you feel welcome.
You're not from USA, your spelling is UK not USA.
Also your sentence structure and choice of words is very Scottish as are your spelling errors.
Why would you pretend to be from the USA? There is no chance,spelling and grammar are wrong.Just sad really. {Ed052's Note - Ip Address states. (Australlia)
Australia! Knew it was not US.Just plain daft.
17 Jul 2012 23:57:42
Jesus , it's all going pete tong,
The consortium in charge of the new Rangers is threatening legal action against the administrator who sold them the old club's assets.
Sevco Ltd claims that Duff and Phelps reneged on a deal to pay back around £500,000 put up by the consortium to help fund working capital when it agreed to buy the club back in June.
But Duff and Phelps has denied that the money should already be paid back.
It says it has a legally binding agreement that it has adhered to.
WTF is going on? more money been siphoned off?
I know its a lot of dosh, but feel this smacks of desperation from green. Money running out? ?
It's not rocket science mate...of course the dosh is running out, there is no income and wages and running costs to pay + no money recieved for the walkaway players, and the big one....very very few season tickets sold, we could be in admin within weeks, and i'm not kidding.
Green just can't win with some bears , half a million is a lot for a 3rd div team , or any team. You'd be moaning if he wasn't chasing it.
Bombed out Brown won't raise £500k in total.
17 Jul 2012 23:54:25
I must be thick so can someone with a brain clear this up for me....
If we are a 'newco' as The Rangers FC
Why are the SFA still wanting to place sanctions on us, such as a transfer embargo (which is ridiculous btw) and the 'old' rangers football debt
I thot this meant we start afresh completely from the bottom which we're doing.
(just a note aswell, someone of the notes from celtic fans on here is laughable)
For the last time a newco has to have 3 year finaces an we dont ave that
I can help.
Any "brand new team", as you effectively are, would need financial accounts, stand against others wanting to join the league-for example "Spartans".
You mob have been fast tracked, allowed to transfer the share of oldco.
In return for the benefits, there are consequences, in this case taking on some of the pain of oldco.
Makes sense? It's really easy. Want to follow all the existing rules, you most likely wont kick a ball this season. Want Regan to bend the rules to help you, with Duncaster forcing SFL hands, take conditions attached to the old licence you hope to use.
Always happy to help one so young, and few as young as Servco!
If u take old co licence u take their punishment if u don't u apply for new licence and need to wait 3 years to have accounts for this period plus by this time there might not even be a space available nobody wants that including Celtic fans. Cha67
Liquidating the old club and starting a new club thus dumping the toxic debt and righteous sanctions, for various regulation breaches isn't going to be allowed.
The history of the old club is gone with its liquidation. The fact that the SFA want debts to other clubs paid and the sanctions accepted in exchange for a license has nothing to do with History switching across.
UEFA does not recognise the brand new club has any footballing history at all and requires that three years of certified accounts are produced before European games are allowed.
OP - its quite simple, the law of the land recognises a new company has taken over the assets of the old company, one asset being rangers football club (the team that plays football on the park) the law of the football association still have pending business with the team that has transferred to the new company. I dont think it is difficult to understand new company same team (even the SFA recognise this), same stadium, same training ground, same red white and blue, do you get it now.
The same thing happened to celtic with Pacific Shelf (they will tell you it did not) but the difference was they managed to transfer not only the team but the company as well because they had not gone into liquidation before the transfer
JG
COULD ANY OTHER TEAM HAVE ASKED FOR OLD RANGERS LICENCE? IF SO WHY WERE OTHERS NOT INFORMED ABOUT THIS? ie SPARTANS OR SAY SMITHS BACKERS ?
@5: there was no transfer etc with Pacific Shelf. When will you learn that this was just a change of status for the company - not admin or liquidation or end of history etc.?
Football clubs are incorporated body's.
The company is the football club the club is the company both inseparable.
When RangersFC incorporated 1899 is liquidated, it's history freezes. Some titles can be withdrawn.
The new incorporated club does not have any history, only assets were purchased.
The Eds on here have confirmed the above several times.
Also FIFA/ UEFA do not accept its the same club. It's a brand new club with zero footballing history. Also, if it's the same club why was the SFA and SPL membership shares requested to transfer to the new club? Surely the same club would own the same club share? It's not the same club.
Lastly, insolvency law forbids the new incorporated club trading on the logos, badges, traditions or names of the old club. Don't fall fowl of this law.
It is not up to the SFA to say that you still have the history. No one can give you that, it goes on liquidation.
Blame David Murray.
17 Jul 2012 23:45:53
just remember that its the fans that fund rangers so pack Ibrox every home game and if green is hear to help us out and not just hear to steel cash well we will have about 24 million in the bank by next season and we just keep doing it till we get back into the SPL and then we can get a good Sqaud back together
Watp
If only that simple? pack out Ibrox every home game at what price at gate etc? will bring in much needed funds true, but bringing in a good Squad of players for return to SPL, will bring us possibly back to the scenario at end of season this year. Full home games at Ibrox,players and staff on massive wage cut, still manage to have 3,5million loss.? In other words the figures dont work? we will have to either cut overheads ie Murray Park or to set our sites on players such as .. Black etc ..
17 Jul 2012 23:41:13
If titles were taken away from rangers who should they go to? as we must have beat other clubs not just one in a final
big D
No one should get them; certainly not us. (Celtic)
Should go to no one but be marked in the records "Result void due to cheating by Glasgow Rangers" as a reminder to future generations of football fans.
If our history gets taking away im supporting a english club f*** scottish football its terrible anyway tbh we were never going anywhere anyway apart from winning s**tty scottish titles and f*** this page too!
Give them to Raith Rovers. Chairman is a legend, no one would deny him
As a Celtic fan I wouldn't want any titles that may be stripped, however if I was a chairman I would be wondering about champions league money that has been taken away from me
The integrity of the records is paramount.
Setting the records straight means awarding the titles to whoever came second. In cup finals that's easily done and in the SPL that's easily done also. But it has to be done.
Simply put, the records in the league would be default 3-0 wins for all the teams that played us in each season, this would not be simple in practice as some teams could have been saved from relagation , bt who cares anyway ? They are just wanting to kick us all the more, let's just move on!
1.} i want them and the money associated with them . kick when down . shamrock
17 Jul 2012 23:22:41
Can someone enlighten me on ONE single punishment Newco Rangers have received since they have entered administration except for statutory 10 point penalty? VEGIEBHOY
When did the newco go into admin,are you sprouty
17 Jul 2012 23:22:35
Look I'm getting fed up with all these negative post about the end of Rangers. Let get a few things straight.
Were in Div 3, even with a transfer embargo and a 10 point penalty we will still easily win the league.
Then the ban is over and the were on a level playing field.
I think Charles Green is doing a good job, alright he may not be a rangers man but hes a business man first and foremost and he istn going to let his investment go down the tubes, now is he, wheat good for business willbe good for rangers.
Bomber brown and all the others are just trying to pull him down, there is no way inata million years the Craig Whyte is involved with CG, the liquidators would never allow that.
With all the back stabbing going on at the moment, it the Rangers fans who are in danger of destroying our club.
We need to get behind Green, take our medicine, remember the good times and well be back up in a couple of seasons.
All these other threats of boycotts etc is damaging our club your club, get over it !
Whats done is done, the fans didn't do it, leave it behind start new, football in 1 week, I think the score will be 5 -0 to the gers
Absolutely mate. Yes, we'll easily win Div 3 with or without any tansfer embargo and I really don't inderstand this clamour for a 'Rangers man'. Was there a single Chelsea fan after they won the CL in Munich that complained about Abramovich and wished they had the Kings Rd equivalent of a John Jakey Brown in charge? Answer - No.
BARNEY BEAR
Fair enough mate but that's not the problem. It's the agreeing to future, yet undecided, sanctions that's the tricky bit. Sure, even with the embargo and a points penalty, we'd have a good shout for the 3rd but what happens half way through the season if the SFA arbitrarily decide to dock us another 10,20,30 points or suspend or expel us. I wouldn't trust this mob with a sharp pencil, let alone the concept of fairness.