Rangers Banter Archive January 18 2012

18 Jan 2012 23:15:56
Do use think that we have won or lost the tax case? Be honest.

Gut feeling - lost

But we must have something pretty strong in our defence so there is always a chance very hard to say without knowing the specific details of rangers argument

What we need to worry about as fans is the possible outcomes. The way I see it these are as follows -

1). We lose case and get 50m bill and go into administration but can find a way out of it
2) we lose the case but we strike a settlement for less ie £15m or so and survive
3) we lose case, get 50m bill and go out of business completely.
4) we win the case!

If the worst possible happens which is number 3, it's time for our very own fergus McCan situation, we need a hero to save us then. The fans could maybe raise funds I know I would help and contribute. Iv heard names such as Jim mccol etc, what I would say to them if the worst possible happens and we are hours away from going to the wall is - step up to the plate and become a instant hero! Always blue even if we had to start from scratch! WATP

Think were gonna lose.app the letters to the players absolving them of any future payments is the smoking gun.darrell king said this on clyde n he's seen a copy so its not a rumour.whyte has said there will be no settlement.a bigger problem,forgetting the tax case,is we are still in massive debt anyway.whyte hznt paid the debt off he's just moved it to his company.add the 10m black hole n running costs and were probally adding to the debt every week.worst scenario is liquidation.history erased,new name,apply to join league again.i dont see this happening,admin might be a good thing but will be tricky to come out of unscathed.i also think he might sell the name of the stadium to kick start a revival. blueforyou.

Why is mc colls name even being mentioned?before whyte took over the club he was hailed as the man to save rangers,what exactly has changed since?is he no longer the right man to save rangers?do fans seriously doubt whyte?i honestly believe rangers will get a slap on the wrist with no lasting damage done.no matter what the outcome is rangers are still guilty of something.

If it is as bad as everyone is making out and there is a Smoking Gun Letter, that is Tax Evasion and someone would be going to the Jail, there would be a prosecution on the cards. Darryl King said "he seen a copy of the letter", He also said that a deal had been reached, so he is as reliable as a raincoat with a rip in it. Trust me if he seen that letter, he could have made himself a fortune by printing it in the Paper he works for, he is talking keek.
People who are not Rangers Minded are saying Craig Whyte tried to make a deal and the TAXMAN said no deal with be done that's BS - he cannot get involved in the case at all, he cannot even speak to HMRC about it as its being dealt with by SDM Lawyers. All we can do is chill out and wait on the verdict. All I will say is, its very complicated and miss McManus hasn't cleared her throat.

Pete

We are not in debt. Whyte took over the debt as part of the agreement for getting Rangers for just £1 - although the debt may still exist in no way will Rangers have to pay it.

We are not in debt
????lmao.....ostrich pull yer head out the sand or yer a ss!!no credit line,10million black hole,not paying taxes or national insuarance so yous can keep going from day to day.18million debt just moved about,but still owe it,whyte is a crafty conman,yous no it deep down but scared too admit it..the hoards will revolt when its to late..as soon as the bbc showed whyte for what he is,the demos shoud have began,but ohhhh no watp and an institution,its all lies,lol,wake up and see armagedon looms

Come on guys, have a word.

We are more in debt now than we were prior to Whyte arriving.

He transferred the debt from Lloyds to himself and stated "The debt will be cleared if we win tax case"

So if we lose tax case and get hit wi a bill, that will be added to the debt that is already there, plus the £10m odd credit line and bingo, we are in a bit of a mess.

4 in a row!

I fear the worst, but I will be glad when its all over whichever way it goes.Rangers till I die

18 Jan 2012 22:53:17
whats up with the agree and disagree buttons not registering my clicks? {Ed014's Note - The tech guys said to refresh your page and make sure your Java script is enabled.

18 Jan 2012 22:40:34
Right we have to git he fingers out we need players now not the last day of the transfer window we r low in a squad just look at bench mostly young boys

18 Jan 2012 22:18:50
How on earth is this goal keeper 2nd in line at barca he's rubbish

18 Jan 2012 22:14:16
Davie Weir - the 2nd captain this week to abandon a sinking ship!

Lenny

The guy on the cruise ship 'fell into a lifeboat by accident'.

Don't understand this statement, is Steven Davis not captain? Mmmmmm talking pish as usual......

The Pilot!

18 Jan 2012 21:37:38
Good listings by Sky, what to watch, Dunfermline v ICT or Real Madrid v Barcelona? lol

GovanFR

18 Jan 2012 20:03:44
On the 21st of October 2011 Craig Whyte in a interview said "if" Rangers win the tax case the debt at Ibrox will be wiped out.

He said: "That debt will be written off if we win the HMRC case. It’s not going to be converted into equity which would dilute the other shareholders of Rangers.
Craig Whyte interview: ‘I will wipe club’s debt if we win tax case’

"We’ve got 26,000 shareholders who are very important to us. They’re all fans of the club and I will make sure they are not diluted in any way. So the debt is effectively being written off.

Time will tell.

Does any1 no if we actually have a chance in this tax case

We alreday know that what Craig Whyte promises is very different to whay Craig Whyte does. £25m for players come to mind?

What he said was £5 million each season, granted dont think the £5 million was spent this season for some reason

Iv heard we got no chance cz of the letters to the players telling them they would not be liable for future payments,darrell king alluded to this on clyde n he has seen a copy.also the way the payments were made is supposed to be a problem,not a lump sum but monthly.this makes it tax evasion.blueforyou

You don't think it was spent? You obviously don't have a clue. We signed Wallace for £1.5m plus Bedoya, McKay, Goian and Bocanegra were all signed for six figured fees each then you have all their wage bills on top of that! £5m was easily spent in the summer!!

TTG

In fairness TTG bougherra went for around 2 million? that takes the net spend to well under the 5 million. but we did tie down mcgregor davis n whittaker on long term deals, do signing on fees apply to contract renewals? obviously agent fees ect would apply also. to be honest i was and still am pretty happy with the business we done in the summer. goian n in particular boca have been good signings, wallace has done fine, bedoya n mckay need time still. like ive said before bedoya was playing domestic football when our lads were on their summer holidays n mckay was over the other side of the world playing international game well into the start of our season....so judge them on performances after a run in the team, not a few cameos. stick by whyte bears, as of yet hes done nothing wrong. hes involved in probably the biggest defining situation in our clubs history so i for one will excuse him for not giving us regular updates through the press on signing policy n the tax case. affraid we just have to sit tight n see if the guy pulls us through this.
j1985

Australian midfielder Matt McKay from Brisbane Roar for a fee of 0.3m; American defender Carlos Bocanegra from Saint-Etienne for a fee of 0.5m; ; Romanian defender Dorin Goian from Palermo for a fee of 0.5m; American midfielder Alejandro Bedoya from Orebro for a fee of 0.4m; Defender Lee Wallace from Hearts for a fee of 1.7m; Spanish midfielder Juanma Ortiz from Almeria for a fee of 0.5m.
Grand total of $3.9 million euro's, in todays market thats £3,25 million.

Some what short of the £5 million
TGG, clearly its you that doesnt have a clue.

I've posted this previously.....the ins and outs at ibrox, including wages saved/contracts renewed, virtually cancel each other out.

the truth is, the most that whyte has spent is the £1 he bought the club for

Bougherra was sold for 1.7M

Unnamed poster,

I see you have calculated all transfer feed in Euros, why? Why would Rangers pay Hearts in euros?

All transfer fees might have been £1.1m short of £5m, but it's still £3.9m more than what people are saying Craig Whyte has actually spent. You also have to take into account the accumulated wage bill for these players!!

It would seem you don't have a clue!!

TTG

TTG
If you look i also gave the price in GBP, any club in Europe that deals with any British club always deals in euro's, mad vlad banks(UBIG) is in Lithuanian, remember Rangers sold Bougherra for £1.7 and he was in Rangers terms a high earner, which in turn frees up wages, look at that we had last season on loan Foster, Wiess, Diouf all getting a wage from Rangers, plus Andy webster contract was cancelled this time last year.

TTG it's a short fall off £1,75 million GBP.

18 Jan 2012 19:25:22
If Darlington fans can raise £50.000 to keep the club going then we can raise £50M

Aye but darlington are needing half a million to survive season, its ok doing it once but u cant really ask fans to keep bailing out it needs good money men, and lets be honest we already pay 300-600 quid a year, and would u put ur money into something youll never see again

I love rangers but i fail to see the difference between the club n the banks. total mis management that caught up with us, heres a question....did you run to your nearest bank the morning after you heard that us working tax payers were being asked to bail them out, and hand over your well earned wages?
j1985

Your right....I hear there is a dodge ball tournament in Vegas with a first prize of £50M....i've seen this happen, lets get a team together...we can do this!

18 Jan 2012 19:11:50
Dear OSTRICHES (bury your heads in the sand and hope tax case goes away) just wanted to correct a few earlier posters who said Mr Whyte had at least done some upgrading to stadium and put in new screens. Wrong and wrong again, as part of getting the catering contract that company upgraded all the catering facilities.
The big screens were renewed by monies from the commonwealth games fund as Ibrox will host football matches there, so sorry Ostriches but Mr whyte still not putting his hands in his pocket and giving your club cash. Feel free to check out this yourselves.
Oh and it is obvious only money Sally gets is by freeing up wages Fleck, Weir etc... "billionaire" still has no money LOL Timalloy

No idea if this is true or not but if it is well done Mr Whyte. Can't see this as anything other than good business sense. Work done, someone else has paid...braw, and before you start your usual p!sh Timalloy there's nothing illegal or underhand in any of this. Thanks again for keeping us all in the loop. It's comforting to know you're always looking out for our best interests Tim.
Love you x

Baybear

And what position are you to correct anyone Timalloy you have not once stated once where your information from most of your posts are without foundation anyway so this one won't be any different And for going on about Craig Whyte you seem to know more about him than he knows about himself and what gives you the right to ridicule him when are the biggest clown know to all Gers fans

GERman

He he :-) Timmy just loves to get the big wooden spoon out GERman.
Dinnae let him bother you he's wired tae the moon

Baybear

18 Jan 2012 17:16:24
was listening to talksport yesterday n heard that over in india they are looking at doing a football version of their current IPL cricket competition. apparently guys like robert pires, jay jay ockocha n maniche will make close to a million pounds for the 8 week duration. this brings me onto my point....surely the spl or at least the clubs should be looking at the possibility of taking our game over there. just one fixture, obviously the OF game n see how its recieved. they seem to throw money at this type of thing over there. if the OF game generates the interest it should then us n celtic could make a fortune. eventually introduce other teams like hearts v hibs, aberdeen v dundee utd. if interest is substancial n moneys there then maybe a full card of fixtures could be played. almost identical to the premierships plan to play an additional league game over there. i dont see it as selling out by doing something like this, a football clubs a business n it makes perfect sence to trial something like this at least. anything to generate money n if it enhances the scottish league then brillant. thoughts?
j1985

This idea is as old as the hills...there has been talk before about the old firm playing an SPL game in Oz but that never happened...also the EPL have also toyed with the idea about playing a few games in Asia to try and build the brand there but nothing ever happened. Did Rangers and Celtic not try and organise a pre-season friendly in Boston and that never happened either. I'm not disagreeing with you in fact I agree they should be trying everything to raise the profile of SPL but however makes the decisions couldn't organise a pi** up in a brewery!

Old firm game only one that would work abroad. USA, Canada, Australia would be good, Dubai and Qatar etc would be big earners and there is a lot of ex pats over there.

J

I remember talk of the epl adding an additional league fixture on n to be played over there, was stunned to learn that the idea fizzled out. what an pooprtunity it would be for the OF to pioneer something like this. lets face it the epl has enough money in it with skys involvement so maybe the desire to pursue something like this wasn't there. whereas we have to try n get money into our game n fast imo. rangers n hmrc, hearts situation atm n teams like motherwell, livi n dundee going into administration in the past, not to mention gretna. dont care if this comes across as bias bit one man is tailor made for neil doncasters job....walter smith. a realist, well respected and im sure would make changes for the good of scottish football. none of this p##h about votes for re structuring. the spl run the league so should make changes as they see fit. dont understand this whole voting thing. if we can make our game better n the spl come up with a format that they believe is more competitive n attractive to sponcers then just f#####g do iy.
j1985

18 Jan 2012 16:40:11
ignore below comment about trialist not being offered a deal they have another bounce game arranged for tomorrow night so its obv a wee doll collecter posting that comment, if you watch rangers tv the right back played really well and the midfielder was a bit out of sorts but you cant judge them on one bounce match, and so what if they dont anyway there only trialists i wud rather we get players that are worth giving a deal rather than out of sheer desperation, any right back has got to be better than that big wet lettace whittiker anyway, also i think we we have a gem of a player in salim kerkar would love to see this guy getting in the first team think hes a real prospect, anyone agree? also if we get this wee swedish dude would give us plenty of options, if only we had naismith fit aswell and jamie ness the squad would be looking good!! i think aswell if we sign a midfielder and a striker we will win the league anyway, start giving jordan macmillian a game at right back and matt mackay and bedoya in the midfield, they cant be established internationals for nothing!!!

18 Jan 2012 14:23:14
The conclusion of the HMRC FTT will be reached today but the results may not be made public for 6 weeks or more.

Today is the day that Rangers will learn that they have caught out for avoiding taxes and will ultimately pay the price.

Pull your heads out your ar*es and demand why this was allowed to happen.

What you on about every1 went for the ride even if we go bust its not the end you think we all will just stop being gers fans nawthe gers we rise up like the dark knight and beat the evil to even more titles, gazza

Another dillusional fan. If the club goes bust they start from the 3rd division and that depends on whether someone wants to own them if they're in th 3rd division.

I'm astonished that some of you believe that this situation is as serious as it gets. The outcome could potentially mean oblivion for Rangers and th restructuring the the SFL including rules and regulations.

I really couldn't care less why it was allowed to happen, knowing that will change nothing.

GovanFR

Aye good man gazza. Your right not the
end of the world just the end of your club. How can you sit back and take this on the chin grow a pair and sort the mess out. It's guys like you that make this tax case even sweeter. Hay work this out + 15 to -2. Up the celts.

'the evil'? Good grief.

Not the end of being a gers fan mr celts club goes bust but rangers goes on, and it will be all the sweeter your right gers will have 4 in a row tax case paid or paid over so many years, if we go bust i dont really care we will stat back up in some form use will be lost in spl fans will get board of same old same old sky will pull the plug scottish football no money more clubs go bust use will prob try go to england but they wont want you, at best you will need to start in 3rd division down there which will open the door for us to join you down there, main point my friend we all need each other so jog on!

Just shows what some fans are like by referring to their club's rivals as 'the evil'. Get a grip.

Mr celts you need gers mind that if you lose gers spl and scottish football and sky go byebye. gers will always be about even with a diff name

Sky won't matter soon - it'll be all about the internet etc. so stop thinking that Scottish football can't survive without Rangers.

18 Jan 2012 13:30:02
Whittiker is a total liability end of, yes i will give him his due last season he was always fit and was a good utility man.....but we have to look to improve as a team each year and the facts are...


He cannot defend
He cost rangers goals
In my opinion hes the reason we lost to Malmo becoz of his stupidity
In a time of financial restriction he is NOT worth paying 25k per week
He is the weak link of a strong back 4

If Rangers get offered any sort of money for him (which they wont becoz every half decent team knowes hes b****cks) then they should take it and run.


Give Jordan MacMillian the chance to show us what he can do and if Murray park is doing anything for us atall

This Jaager is a half decent player aswell watched him v ireland in the euro qualifiers he had a tough night but is pretty solid and gets up and down well, much better than whittiker anyway

Yes the best option to free up 2 wages

I don't think Jordan McMillans position is RB, is he not a CDM? I know he played there against Motherwell and was ok. I agree with the Whittaker costing us the Malmo game but only away from home, don't forget it was a two legged game and we were atrocious at Ibrox.

GovanFR

18 Jan 2012 12:35:51
Today is the last day of the tax tribunal when finally Rangers will learn their fate.
I read a great quote on RTC about the reluctance of the Scottish press (laptop loyal) to investigate what was happening at the club. Every one turned a blind eye including all the bears on here who prefer to bury their heads in the sand.
Anyway quote was from Martin Luther King who said "let us not worry about the words of our enemies, but the SILENCE of our Friends"
In other words by letting this go on so long they were actually HARMING Rangers FC.
We all know the journalists involved who preferred to print whatever RFC gave them than seek out the TRUTH.
What goes around comes around, and today Glasgow Rangers FC will find the truth in that saying.
Timalloy

Timalloy your better off on ur own fans pagetrying to sort out what you would do without the gers use would be done aswell mind that , u go we go!, or should i say sky go and if use look to go down south scottish football goes rite in the bin, so open your eyes to bigger pic or get off this page!

Timalloy, if this the last day of the tax investigation. What the feck mare you goin to do for the rest of your life.

Timalloy you clearly have no idea about bias journalism if you take everything that is said on RTC as fact.

Not one bear MAN enough to leave a name for debate. I will stop calling you bears from now on and start calling you all OSTRICHES Timalloy

18 Jan 2012 10:20:37
Does anyone out there trust Craig whyte? If so what's he done to gain your trust?

Trust him or not he payed murray a pound for us. We just have to live with it the now.

Dont trust him. However he may turn out ok if we win the taxcase, if not i fear the worst

I trust him as much as I'd trust Murray back at Ibrox!

People seem tae forget that it was David Murray's problems, same with his pet dog Bain. Craig whyte is trying tae fight Murray's tax case. If you truly support rangers football club then you will get behind them, win or lose. Or u can just f**k off and become a plastic man city fan.

Correct me if im wrong but craig whyte has done nothing wrong hes trying to sort out murrays mess..lets judge the guy once the tax case has been resolved and whyte can finally get on with running the club .he is looking into ways to create revenue by increasing the global brand ..what did murray do he sold the catering he sold the jerseys to JJB

Craig whyte has done nothing wrong? Are you joking? He pulled the wool over the fans eyed in the summer outrun.g bids in for players he knew wouldn't get accepted, 7 bids for David goodwillie was a joke and made the club w laughing stock

Interesting opinion- however, what do you think would have happened if the clubs we supposedly bid big bucks to had actually accepted our offers ? Whyte would have had to stump up, so i think he DOES have the cash but is waiting now to hear from the tax man before offering big bucks again.

18 Jan 2012 08:02:16
best case scenario for us would be if jaager turns out to be everything these videos are showing him to be, we can use him rb and hopefully whittaker falls down a ditch and cant be found until 2013, maybe hel learn how to play football again down there. its abit depressing that some guy who didnt get played for aberdeen is our only offensive threat atm, although do enjoy watching rangers slightly more when hes on.

reading the star today and its the same usual bs. WE JUST WANT SOMETHING SOLID TO HAPPEN SOON.

For a start the stars p*sh. And alukO did get a game for Aberdeen, they wanted him to sign a new contract and he didn't

18 Jan 2012 07:19:04
We should have a look at the boy plummer from bristol city youth, you tube and see the skill the boys got

Lol loose the tax case and it might well be plumber,a postman , mechanic and other part timers. only joking just wanted to make the joke in whyte we trust./biggles

18 Jan 2012 00:21:54
Had the great pleasure of meeting Davie Weir recently at a night in Eastwood theatre. Incredibly proud to have played for us, and a burning desire to keep playing for as long as he can. he sent a long time with my son and Daviw Weir is his hero.

A true legend who came as a stop gap and lasted five years. Also a true captain.

Thanks for your service and you will be remembered as a true gent, a great Rangers captain and a damn fine centre half.

Does any1 no if we hav a genuine chance of winning this tax case coz if the future holds players of Sandazas ilk having to THINK about joining us then we are doomed

What's the word on Boyd coming back

We all want a team of Davie Weirs! Legend, all the best big man!