Rangers Banter Archive February 18 2012
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18 Feb 2012 23:37:44
lennon saying his team winnig the league won't be devalued. well neil hadn't it been for the mess rangers have been in since mr whyte came in and the lack of money to invest in our team, rangers would have won the league in a canter. celtic fans believe their team are capable of competing in europe- how dilussional are they!
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We can do good in europe, we showed it this year by playing in the hardest group which we should have advanced if not for own goal and fake pen. udinese top of italy at time, Atletico madrid, rennes. so more europe to come and we will help the coefficient points.
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Celtic not dropping a point since the 29th of October is why we are on top. Another opinion devaluing the rest of Scotland.
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Why the hell would you think you would win the league at a canter???
you SURRENDERED a 15 point lead in the space of what, 6 weeks, are a further 4 points off the pace with a game extra played(not including the 10 point deduction), out of ALL cup competitions, a manager devoid of managing.....and we are delusional? thicko
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Bloody hell! for the last time, you have spent almost the exact same amount as celtic.stop this nonsense.celtic threw it away last year and rangers hung in and got the results that mattered.whyte has nothing to do with the fact you have a manager who squandered what money he had available to him.bedoya,mckay,ortiz,all mccoist signings who he wont play.........green jhedi
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It was only ever 9points. It COULD have been 15 had Celtic lost 2games in hand but they never, love how all you timmys love to claim a 9point turn around was 15points.
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18 Feb 2012 23:23:06
For being a rangers man all my life i am saddeded by the continual abuse to our hero Ally McCoist, we all know it wasn't going to be a bed of roses when he took over, but do you seriously think that sir walter would do better at this present times, Ally is a living legend not just to us the people but to the scottish nation, he needs us now more than ever, he maybe tactically inept but he also needs time to learn, he has been walters understudy for numerous years now and i do not beleive that training or practices in place have changed since, walter never played for rangers Ally did he knows the script i would just ask again for all the true blues outhere we are the people and we will continue only with the following that i have seen this 32 years of my life.
let's get beihind him in this troubled time for the sake of our club for as long as we are WATP lets make this continue.
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I know ally is a living legend but that does not dissolve him from critisism. You use the word abuse but from what i have read it is not abuse but honest opinions.
I think walter would do slightly better but if i am been honest the football under walter was defensive and negative.
i think ally should have ripped up the walter smith tutorial at the start of the season and done things his own way.
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Get a grip mate! we are not slating him as a player, but his record as manager is atrocious! he need s to leave with his credibility intact. and yes, sir walter smith would've done alot better, i say that with no doubt whatsoever in me. sometimes you just have to be realistic. everyone wanted ally mccoists tenure to work out but it isn't. his tactics are wrong, his signings are inneffective. i would not however release him from rangers. he has a role to play.
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18 Feb 2012 22:52:55
Did sceptic fc go into administration in 94? If so what was the attendance for nxt home game? watp
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Celtic have never been in administration.
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Celtic FC have never been in administration! And so much for the sell out crowd getting behind there team today. Many a booing could be heard at Ibrox today. "we don't do walking away", we'll see!
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No.we,re not that embarassing.artybhoy
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We didnt go into admin...fergus mccann took over and did what he said he would ..clear debt rebuild stadium change team! the game after he took over we played mwell at home and had full house of 45000!i was there we were beaten to a dougie arnott goal
chalky bhoy!!
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No they didnt bet game after the trouble was less than 15,000 but who cares about that
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No! we're to big a global instatution for that sh*t. Never mind what that attendance was,lets see what your next attendance at home will be! Probably lower than the Dundee utd one
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Just says it ALL first 5posts all manky replies.Rangers site taken over by the deluded .
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I don't know who sceptic are, but here's what i found in the dictionary:
skeptic [ˈskɛptɪk]
n
1. (Philosophy) a person who habitually doubts the authenticity of accepted beliefs
2. a person who mistrusts people, ideas, etc., in general
3. (Philosophy) a person who doubts the truth of religion, esp Christianity
i'm not sure how a philosophy could go into administration...nevermind....watp
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18 Feb 2012 22:52:18
ed whats the population in our fanbase and what countries have the greatest links to it?
AndyBear98 {Ed001's Note - impossible to say mate, so many people have tried to take fan surveys etc and the results are just confused and confusing. For instance you have lots of people who just look out for a result, rather than truly following or supporting a team. Then you have those who follow different clubs in different countries, do they have the real emotional connection to be counted or not? They might go to a game or two for a day trip but that is about it. The only way of knowing is to look at supporters clubs around the world, though even those figures are nebulous at best. There is, at the very least, a large ex-pat community around the world that support Rangers, those places with a lot of Scots are where you will find them.}
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When leaving ibrox in 2002 director hugh adam stated that murray wanted to tap in to a world market.he said they started a scheme to try and find out rough numbers for world wide fans,after communicating with ex pats it was decided that this was a waste of time as the number was so small.he also stated that rangers were predominatly a west of scotland club no more. the article was printed in the scotsman...........green jhedi
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I know wel have quite a few million in north america though since we have edu bocanegra and bedoya it would make that number rise
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18 Feb 2012 22:51:39
Juanma Ortiz scoed again today. Never gave the boy a decent chance.
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He got a decent number of games and was very poor in all of them.
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18 Feb 2012 22:43:07
My big mate Jimmy is lining up a bid to buy rangers over. He reckons if Craig Whyte got it for £1 then he is willing to stump up a fiver. Not a bad return on Whyte's original investment. Jimmy's background is in cars. He bought a Nova in 2002 for £500, cleaned up the engine and re-sprayed it then sold it for £1200 two weeks later. I know- magic eh? Just the type of guy we need. I think he could bring a lot to the club.
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Ma mate was gonny bid fir them, but i dont think he'll go as hih as that, hes in the tobacco trade
he sells single fags at the barras
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I won the lottery tonight and will bid to take over rangers, I got three numbers so even if I have to give craig whyte a fiver to buy I still have a fiver left. Result!
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18 Feb 2012 22:02:37
ally has been made out to be a muppet by whyte thats why we cant win mcoist wanted miller cueler goodwilly holt danny wilson templeton and he is left scraping at the barrel its a joke
mccoist need speak his mind and dont tow the line whyte tells him
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He may not have got his preferred transfer targets but ally still had/has a squad that should have got us longer stay in europe.
Ally not up to the job i am affraid
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He is working with the club he loves and trying to save them , ok results have been p1sh but would u walk out on our beloved team i know i wouldnt. craig+babybear
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I love the club too, and would not walk also but his record is awful. he is lucky we are in admin and have no money or he would have been sacked by now.
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Yous still dont understand.....you had no money to get those players but im sure you would want to cheat some more too get them...your are just a joke now cause u still think everything is normal and have your eyes shut.
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Aye we've had our eyes shut for the past week!! havent been able to switch on the telly or pick up a paper without seeing stuff about the gers....but u believe what u want
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18 Feb 2012 21:57:14
so its not sallys fault he cant motivate a team with hundreds of international caps between them in front of a packed partisan home crowd to beat a team with barley a cap between them , you could sell your whole team from today and your wage bill would still be 5 x killies . sally must thank god for admin every night after being knocked out of 4 cups and presiding over a 19 point ( maybe 22 point by tomorrow ) swing in the league , yet no media out cry ,fab1
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I agree with your post mate. The only guy coming out of this admin stuff looking good is ally. all the media attention has turned to rangers cash problems and not the inefficiency of ally.
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I think you need to do you maths again tim it's 14 and if you win tomorrow 17 and that a big if c'mon the hibees
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Above poster can you do the math, celtic were 15 behind rangers win tomorrow we would be 7 ahead (plus 10 for admin) thats a 22 point swing -15 to +7 then add 10 for admin deduction +17 ahead, booyaa
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18 Feb 2012 21:57:07
Why was Bocanegra nearly crying after the match? Is he on his way back to the USA?
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He's gotta be one of the first on the list surely? no sell on .....greenjhedi
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Naw was telt he wisnae gettin released.... Stevie
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18 Feb 2012 21:54:35
mccoist can not pick a team to save him self his decisions ar horrendus papac an wallace no chance that works bartley playing at right back cost us dear and healy cant do anying even his shots dont have power get the young lad burrows or hemmings up front and start wa perry in defence
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18 Feb 2012 21:47:40
this season is a lost cause wont get euro place anyway just have to hope we get a new owner and use next season as a time to recoup. and push on for the season after that we can afford to give the great unwashed a couple of titles still leaves them well behind the most successful domestic club in the world . as ally said we dont do walking away .
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Don,t walk away from your bills then, pay them in full, i think not! Ally needs to engage his brain before he opens his mouth.
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Succesfull clubs dont go into liquidation.be carefull,more news coming soon............green jhedi
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18 Feb 2012 21:43:22
mccoist need to get his head out the sand and start picking a team that can win regardless of whats going on he doesnt shout or anything just stands there papac an wallace do not work on the left plain for any 1 to see least this will have to be changed now thank god and healy is invisible up front please do not play him again we have hemmings burrows celik aluko use them we have better opinions up front forget him
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18 Feb 2012 21:23:31
Does anyone know when Kyle Lafferty will be back from his injury? because I haven't heard much recently about how hes doing
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If the burnley runours true he might have to be freed.........green jhedi
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Ha ha desperado comes to mind ...Stevie
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I thought he only had a week to go might turn into a couple of months if the clause in his contract is true... craig+babybear
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18 Feb 2012 21:06:29
I posted on this page this morning regarding super Ally, that his team selections and tactics were to blame for our European exits, domestic cup exits and got the usual “ah you’re not a real supporter”.
Well not only has he got us tossed out of all cup competitions, he has also been the architect of us losing a 15 point lead in the league prior to our 10 point deduction.
I have since read on this forum people saying it’s not Ally’s fault because of the mess we are in at the moment. Well at the start of the season he still had a good enough squad to beat 2 pub teams in Europe and 2 average Scottish teams in our domestic cup competitions. His persistence in playing players out of position and his lack of playing some of the younger guys is nauseating. When we do struggle or go behind he has not got a clue how to change a game.
Ally has continued to play either Wallace or Papac in left midfield for weeks now when even a blind man can see that this is a problem. Today he started with Papac left mid, then moved him into centre mid moving another 2 players out of position to accommodate this. The reason we went down to 10 men was Allys fault, if he had left Papac where he was then he would not have been in that position to make that tackle. Even more if he did not even start with Papac at all then the chances are we would have finished the game with 11 men.
So spare me the “oh it’s not Ally’s fault” and open your eyes to what he has been doing all season. As much as I idolised Ally , as far as I can see and witnessed this season he does not have the makings of a manager.
Sorry Ally time to move on.
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Fantastic , articulate post. I agree with everything written. My fear with the current administration situation is that it will gloss over McCoist's serious shortcomings as a manager. It seems to be forgotten, Walter Smith had to motivate a squad of payers against the same EBT/HMRC investigation and uncertainty throughout his second reign....have the Banks man dictate a no
transfer policy for 2 years...operate against the rumours of the club being sold....as well as other distractions such as booze gate yet look at the record of success during his period. Prior to Rangers, look how he lifted Vogts Scotland squad from being ranked 88th in FIFA rankings to a high of 13th in just over 2 years sing much of the same squad! It comes down to man management. McCoist does not posess that critical skill for any successful manager. McCoist's record as manager is arguably worse than LeGuen's....that is not an opinion, that is fact based on the records. Out of two European and Domestic cup tournaments at early stages to teams considerably inferior to Rangers. Losing a realistic 9-point lead in the League (Celtic did have 2 games in and lets not forget) which has now been increased by a further 4, going on 7 points as of today. Rangers WILL survive Adminstration. I believe Whyte will be gone. I believe a string future will arise from this mess. My only real fear is that McCoist will be the man in pace to lead the team out of this position and or tht responsibility, I am afraid he is sadly lacking! So fellow bears, don't let McCoists success as a player blind you to the reality he is NOT a Manager
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18 Feb 2012 20:09:02
What's the deal with cousin, was parked behind him today. If he has signed does that mean that we are paying him and yet not allowed to play him?
Surely if he is released we will have to pay him off, any views
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U shd ave asked him then
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Looks like he has a contract. RFC can appeal the decision, but will the SFA register a new player to a club that is in admin. Might be a SFA ruling against that.
Yes you're prob right about a pay off but don't know how the Administrators will cover that. Can't remember if they authorised his employment.
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Registration refused cos your in admin i think..............green jhedi
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Hes registered with the SFA but not the SPL so he cant play any league games, but luckily he is still able to play cup games..........oh...wait a minute....
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18 Feb 2012 20:05:48
I was at the game the day and the yobs singing the sectarian songs are only holding us back from rebuilding as a club - utter embarrassments to the club. In what way does spouting sectarian p1sh support ally or the team?
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Ryanrfc; well said.any sympathy will go with that nonsense.respect............green jhedi
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These clowns need to realise that we are in the spotlight more than ever just now and this behaviour could affect potential investment. When we come through this crisis, as we will, let's leave these scumbags behind and move forward
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This could be a watershed for us, lets get rid of our baggage, surly a good thing.
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Unfortunately the hardcore never learn education is a great thing hopefully they will realise the bigger picture but sadly i wont hold my breath but we need to out sing them bbblue
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18 Feb 2012 20:02:51
Percy's,
If you're Rangers till you die, what will you be when Rangers die?
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Question for you miko :
have you not got anything better to do with your saturday night than ask ridiculous questions on this site ?
james rfc 1980
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Miko- What you up to tonight? Pub? Clubbing? Bender with the lads? Or sitting on yer maws stolen laptop eating cold prawn crackers for your dinner while annoying all of us with your bile?
Tired bear
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At least he will have a team to go and support every weekend to fill up his social diary. having a dig at the guy for making a comment then doing it yourself reeks of hypocrisy
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18 Feb 2012 20:01:19
Genuine question from a Motherwell fan here. If Rangers do not sort out their finances by the appropriate deadline and therefore get a ban from European football, does anyone know if that means the second CL spot would go to the team in third place?
Thanks.
Ajeno.
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It gets put to the next team in the league-currently yourselves
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Yeah it does but dont think u will need to worry as mwell will be 2nd by then if the clueless wonder is still in charge
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Probably mate, and i dont think we will be out of this mess for a while so enjoy urselfs , you"ve played some nice football this year.. craig+babybear
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Yes it will be third place who gets the place. However I can see motherwell making second place this season. Deservedly.
ps It is not a Euro ban it is no Euro license which would prohibit them from playing in Europe.
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Yes mate,but if Rangers keep playing the way they are then 2nd place could be yours.
Jungle Bhoy.
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Ajeno,
You'll be better going to the celtic page cos they know everything.
Ask them when they go to EPL who'll get their CH Lgue spot.
UEFA will enforce their ruling. The second spot wil probably go to the 3rd placed team if RFC are second placed and do not meet UEFA's rules. Ask one of the EDs they're usually good.
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I would assume so mate..............green jhedi
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A club that is in administration is officially banned from playing in any European competition. If we come out then we are eligible, if we are liquidated then out completely. As it stands right now Motherwell would have to qualify from the 3rd round of CL qualifying.
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If its not us, i hope its Motherwell that goes in to Europe !
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I think there's only one CL spot for the SPL winners and even they'll need to go thro' 3 qualifying rounds next season
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On a more serious note , the current situation at Ibrox could have major financial implications for everyone ... Take me for instance , i'm feckin rooked from celebrating all week lmao , Drewzybhoy
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No...............2 teams will enter the 3rd qualifying round, followed by play off round. The way we are going, it won t matter, shouldn t finish below Hearts though.
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18 Feb 2012 19:51:49
I think if rangers go down the swawny alot of the charity donations including the £250,000 the rangers foundation donated to unicef in the last 3 years plus the 50 grand check Mr whyte handed to unicef last year will be sorely missed.its not only unicef but many other charities that will miss out on much needed vital cash its not only rangers but both halves of the old firm that donate generous amounts of cash for good causes plus all the players visiting Yorkhill sick children on own time is fantastic for these youngsters to meet their heroes remember its the fat cats who are tax dodging swines not the players or Joe punter lets not let these greedy men destroy the good name of our club
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The players werent caring today they were gutless an a utter disgrace to the badge
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18 Feb 2012 19:49:17
wow. i heard willem-alexander, crown prince of orange and the netherlands is going to buy the club. he and his family have wealth off the radar. no. only kidding. hah. liquidity beckons. and ed this annoys you. yep. {Ed001's Note - it really doesn't bother me.}
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It doesn't really bother me to Ed, suppose it's meant to but I've read it 3 times and now it's a bit scary to think that someone left this person alone with a computer.
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18 Feb 2012 19:46:14
Why don't we NOT buy season
tickets for the next 4 years and
just buy tickets for each game
that way ticketus get hee haw
and the money goes 2 club
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Ticketus would sue i would think,you cant sell the same seat twice...........green jhedi
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Could Rangers not sell them for ticketus and take a commission?
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Ticketus own the seats mate, even if you buy the ticket on the day, the money still goes to them.
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I just thought like hotels don't snt empty beds then if there were 10,000 empty seets rangers could offer to sell them on the day for a fee
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18 Feb 2012 19:42:54
the most important thing is that the club survives , we need at least 5 millioners to get together put 20 million each in and buy the club ,then once set up and running get a share issue with the fans and they get some of their millions back, the problem last time with share issue was that murray said if the fans didnt take shares he would put the 50 million in that was a boob on his part saying that,so now I think the fans would step up if it was to happen.
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18 Feb 2012 19:41:20
will the scottish fa probe rangers or wait till we out of admin dont see what they can do
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18 Feb 2012 19:38:39
Although it was a full house today,to the show of suport for Rangers & Ally,i feel that over the next couple of weeks it wont be long before the numbers going to Ibrox drop.If Celtic win tomorrow and win on Wedensday it will be 20 points,and with Motherwell on a roll it wont be long before Rangers are caught for second place .
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18 Feb 2012 19:34:43
is the guy on here who had a "cheeky" wee bet at 14 to 1 on Gers to win minus four goals still about? or has his wife stabbed him to death?
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His wife can't work a computer.
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18 Feb 2012 19:31:47
The news that Duff and Phelps will release this week will be that Rangers were on the verge of collapse before Whyte came in.
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We knew that already
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18 Feb 2012 19:29:19
The one player who tried today was kerkar. He played his heart out for the shirt. The rest of the team have it too comfy. They know they can just turn up on sat and play the whole game. This leads me to one conclusion which is to play the youth far more than we do currently. These guys have something to prove and will play for the shirt unlike the current crop of first team players.
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18 Feb 2012 19:16:45
This is not so ,much a rumour but does anyone else think bartley has been sent back?
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He didn't deserve a game anyway he was hopelsss last week, seen milk turn quicker.
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Not in todays squad.dont now mate
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18 Feb 2012 19:13:01
How's all the rangers fans on the runners up page tonight.Henke7
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Still champions on here mate
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18 Feb 2012 18:59:08
Why didn't ally play the young guys today?
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18 Feb 2012 18:54:14
To the bitter ginger one,who wants Rangers stripped of titles,how desperate are you,you sad bigot of a man,think yourself lucky you are still the manager of Celtic,you aint no saint,keep your mouth shut,and try and win something for your fans.watp
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Dont worry yourself about Neil Lennon winning anything ,the league is done and dusted and hopefully two more trophies to follow
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It doesn't go unnoticed though! there showing there true colours, they've been talking about celtics lack of dignity down in england, least everyone is seeing them for what they really are.
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Really? thats what you post after that result? says a lot about you..............green jhedi
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You should be stripped of your cheated titles, it only makes sence, would you not be saying the samething? dont be so ignorant. you should stop shouting out hate towards others and realize and open your eyes that your club did wrong,so be angry at them. and dont worry about Celtic, he will bring the treble and soooo much more.
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Neil Lennon was asked a question so answered it, same as Danny Lennon did. You bought paid players illegally to win trophies in Scotland and play in Europe, therefore you cheated. No-one on here has said anything about Danny Lennon talking about your mighty club!
Lenny's the manager of Celtic and he's going to win at least 2 trophies this year! Maybe even the treble!
Why do you state he is lucky to be manager of Celtic? Did the Celtic board inform you that he would have been sacked if we'd lost at Rugby Park! It was his intention to offer his resignation IF we'd lost! Grow up son!
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Wit about lennon and matt mcglone on tv talkin about the gers situation , pure hatred and bitterness from 2 sad angry twisted wee men , pretty worrying , tedbear
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Point 1. Where does Lennon say Rangers should be stripped of titles, you lot got that guilty feeling?
Point 2. Why are you all so obsessed with Mr Lennon, Its starting to become creepy.
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Where do you knuckledraggers get off?
pure hatred and bitterness?? ffs, Lennon was asked a (loaded) question, and answered it as honestly as he could, showing sympathy for your manager and players, and quite rightly said he would have something to say if it were to transpire that he, and his team were cheated out of trophies.
i see NO hatred, or bitterness in his, or Lawell's comments for that matter
people like tedbear and the un-named OP, you need to take a long hard look at yourself and realise it's folk like you that are the problem, inciting hatred, bigotry and capaigns of violence
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You hate Celtic Tedbear? Enough said
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They 2 are a disgrace, matt mcglone eh. absolute joke, but you know what, it is hardly a surprise to see 2 celtic men bicker over rangers like him and michael kelly did on stv the other night, if i were a celtic fan i would be rather embarrassed to be honest.
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Point 3. why does a septic supporter on a rangers page accuse someone of being obsessed? about lennon. Joined up thinking not his strong point. ger1952
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18 Feb 2012 18:52:56
was at the game 2day. myt have lost but it was amazin. jst goes 2 show £23 a ticket times that by 50000 makes 1.25 million plus tv n sponsers equals no way we could fold. super ally
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£1.25 million equates to 100th of your debt not including running costs.
You won't fold? Hmm
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Where do you get 50,000 paying for tickets, 40,000 season tickets were paid for last year!
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I was there too mate, did you feel that buch of mugs paid us back with their performance or lack of it should I say?
Be honest eh
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Not correct 36,000 r already sold pre season,so not any great finance raised,every penny spent by a fan has made mr whyte a penny richer,if this home game saved u how do u expect to survive next 2 weeks with it being away games,think it threw
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Get a grip, how many were season tickets, you have spent that! TV money long gone? Wee craigy has done you big time. You will be lucky to field a team next week.ha. Andyd cfc
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How did you work that out ya plank?40000 season ticket holders leaves 10000 and that season ticket money is away for four years so get your head out the sand your going down
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Two away games now,no money generated and outlays for hotels and travel will take it's toll...........green jhedi
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The financials don't stack up but the important number really is the 50,000 that turned up. Let's hope this can be maintained until the end of the season - that would be a real display of support and loyalty to our beleagerd club. Some of the posts have been critical of the players and the manager. Based on the performances under normal circumstances I would say fair enough but these are not normal circumstances. This is a time for unconditional support, for the fans to show their appreciation for 140 years of honours and accomplishments and tradition that Rangers represent. Just like an ailing loved one we should be glad they are still here with the hope of living to fight another day and not start criticising their current performance under nearly impossible circumstances.
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It's actually £1150000 and don't forget to pay the tax billybhoy
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They're still totally s**te though- as will become quite self-evident when they bounce oot every European cup come June/ July. I already look forward. :-)
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18 Feb 2012 18:48:35
why are some in the forum getting on ally mcoist back bad news
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Are you serious? fair enough mccoist is rangers to the core and trys his best but his decision making is atrocious! his signings have failed miserably, his tactics are ridiculous and he's making a mockery of himself trying to manage under these circumstances! he even admitted craig hyte said he could bring someone in at the end of the transfer window and he refused because he thought the squad was good enough if he couldn't get holt!
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He's the manger, he chooses the team and tactics neither worked. Too many poor teams have turned us over to easily and ally has no plan b at all? Need more experience n we need it now
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Might it be;out of FOUR cups? blowing a nine point lead in the league?refusing to play players he signed?not looking able to change the pattern of the team?..............green jhedi
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18 Feb 2012 18:45:37
so what happened to the big "get behind the team stuff"...even your support doesnt seem to be enough.....
Bhrydo Bhoy
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You lot cant even fill your stadium when you are winning
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18 Feb 2012 18:43:14
I heard betting was suspended before the game today after a strange looking cock eyed punter walked into William Hill and tried to put £24 million on a Killie win!
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18 Feb 2012 18:38:19
this has got to be the worst season i have ever seen Rangers play at home every game apart from Celtic we have been garbage.
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18 Feb 2012 18:36:41
administrator paul clark says new information about finances will be published next week
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18 Feb 2012 18:36:17
We paid our money today and watched dross again poor tactics,if ever we needed our team to get a result it was today,players will be going this week,is that a bad thing at least the youths will get a chance now
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18 Feb 2012 18:34:18
I thought Sally and your fans said we don't do walking away....stadium half empty with 20mins to go...pathetic...I think Celtic should appeal rangers 10 points To save rangers dignity...there could be more ad news after all that sectarian ons getting song...ah well must go and have my jelly n ice cream....wouldn't it be ironic if you went bust on paddys day?..gujo
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Think u have to watch the champions again mate, fans were superb and well you know it, right till the fial whistle. There was also no secritarian chanting... Maybe little towards the man in black.
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So was there or wasnt there?
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18 Feb 2012 18:33:06
Brines is an awful ref ,full stop,he has been as bad for other clubs,today was no different,he is just poor,no excuses,Rangers were poor,let the fans down today,sums up the season,simply not up to the job,roll on the end of season,lick our wounds,move on,as always,the best team over a season wins the league,it is clearly Celtics season,ouch that hurts,time for a break.
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Very honest post.i watched the second half and must admit i didnt see a foul for mccullochs goal.maybie on replay............green jhedi
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18 Feb 2012 18:32:13
Celtic fan living away. Come on Rangers, stand up and play the game, get right behind the team, get behind ally. not the time for negative comments, the time for action. dont let the money men rip you and us off. we are all the people.
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18 Feb 2012 18:25:34
With Ally being such a nice guy and press friendly,wouldnt it be an idea that he becomes an ambassador for Gers and uses his character to entice investors rather than being manager?To me he seems a bit out of his depth as manager but the situation hasnt helped him.What do you think?
Jungle Bhoy.
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18 Feb 2012 18:20:44
note to administrators put everyone on performance related pay-we`d save £2m a month!! we will return be in sooner or later
stg
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You wouldn't have to pay much today would you?
CB
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18 Feb 2012 18:13:53
Ah,now i know why i hate Celtic,the fans,shower of toothless morons,never off the Rangers pages,enjoy this while it lasts,and it wont be as long as you lot think,we will be back to the top in the not to distant future,Always A Ranger,girry
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Total and utter crap. You're just a wee angry boy in a huff because your team lost today.
If you thought today was bad, you aint seen nothing yet. Rangers will not finish second in the league this season.
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Girry what would you be doing if it was the other way around eh? You are the team who sing about the queen and great Britain but you don't want to pay your taxes that pay to make and keep the country going? Where's the sense in that? Answer me that one eh?
As for your team name one player who gave 100% today for you? You lot came out and filled the stadium showing that you are behind the team (well done for that) but what did you get in return? I know if it was the hoops I'd be going nuts but it's not, it's all on your team they didn't repay your support so why moan about Celtic fans doing exactly what any rival fans would be expected to do. If you fancy a moan (and I don't blame you) moan about those who put you where you are and the boys in your team thst didn't fancy fighting for you today eh??
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Sour grapes wont get you anywhere was not celtic that made your bed for you but ones that had so much smoke blown in the rite place needed their own chimney sweep,murray the hero n whyte saviour,all us look on your pages maybe if more had looked into rangers the reality than banter n rumours pages could of beeen avoided,celtics fault murray whyte gordon smith ally mccoist ian durrant who next the tea lady did it
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18 Feb 2012 18:12:23
i just got a refund from rangers live streaming...i told them i wasnt paying to see a celtic supporter in black
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18 Feb 2012 18:10:53
ok a wee bit of trivia "for rangers fans only lol" name 10 billionairs who are rangers fans ? jsm
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None!!
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Simon cowell
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Craig whyte lol
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THE QUEEN!!
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18 Feb 2012 18:08:06
For your boys to go out today and not win says it all!
Cb
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18 Feb 2012 18:06:56
Read the league table from the 4th to the 1st. First letter from each team.......H,M,R,C
You could not make this up
Cb
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Priceless. lmao!
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How interesting, what a sad pathetic individual you are
james rfc 1980
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See even the league table is winding you up? Karma I believe it called
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True aye,
But I think you've maybe seen into the future there, spooky.
Hearts - trouble with HMRC, Motherwell - went into admin, RFC - obvious and Celtic - next in line. Due to all the bumming off by your mob about your finances maybe HMRC will investigate the 'estimated attendances' scam by your board in 60s/70s/80s - 10,000 to 20,000 under what was in your ground. Pocketing the money.
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Is that you?Will Smith,please help our club and stop being paranoid.
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18 Feb 2012 17:57:25
Ally should be the 1st to go terrible terrible manager
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Give the guy a break shocking post
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Gers fan hear your right you could not make that up
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No please keep him his interviews after defeat are quality he just keeps saying.... Absolutely theres no doubts about it i assure you absolutely no doubt about it lmao hes not the brightest is he!
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18 Feb 2012 17:56:54
to all the Rangers fans at the game ,take a bow,you deserved better,but hang in there,great reception for the lads,and even in defeat at the end,you clapped them off,referee had a shocker,Brines,hang your head
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The good times in the future will be all the sweeter once we get through this troth.
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Yeah your right those 93 mins he did make sure you could not beat killie. With theyre mighty squad of internationals and million pound signings. Don't put any on your overpaid duds who did not fight for the fifty thousand fans who travelled and paid to see the team they love! After a week which your club was the first story on every news channel in the country.
Pass that buck $$$ cos those are what you need about 100 million of them then you'll be ok
TT
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Oh behave these things even themselves out over the course of a season... Member thats what uncle walter used to say now!
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18 Feb 2012 17:45:30
touch of xenophobia? i find it amazing that hmrc decide to do a 'test case' on rangers when 3/4's of the epl are in the same scenario!
murray should be ashamed, he has tarnish the great name of rangers and left us in an embarrassing situation
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There is 4000 company's in Britain all using EBT as well. Ger4ever
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I would like to see a reasoning for what these people have clicked the disagree button?
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What does that matterif theres 4000 company's in britian doing this? there using rangers as a test case in relation to football clubs, there is nothing wrong with usig ebt's its just the way these clubs are doing it thats the problem
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Don't know why they disagreed my point it was on the phone in's last night, the biggest company was Vodaphone who owed £293 million and paid £45 million. Ger4ever
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Xenophobia, I never liked that film plus the who r overrated too lol ;)
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18 Feb 2012 17:45:10
this is the time for a leader at rangers. unfortunately ,for us, we let the only leader go in davie weir. Bad choice from ally i'm afraid.
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Goin had been shown up for the dud he is, I knew it was too good to be true. If it wasn't for Carlos boc it would of been a lot worse. He's been the one who has saved rangers time n time again this season it can't go on forever he's at the end of his career too!
Done for full stop
Billy the pe££daff bear
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18 feb 2012 17:44:38
just like too say , a poor performance today , ally has been great through this tuff time , but he has no idea how too manage a team on the park , he should leave soon as possible we need too start building the team from the top , and ally should be asked too go or he should go under is own accord because when new managment take over he is out off a job , if the team keep playing like this there will be no europe football next year , which only adds too our woes when it comes too cash , we must bring in a new manager just know too grab the players that we will have left and make sure we finish 2nd in the league , with the players that will be left we should still be strong enough too beat teams lik kilmarnock . let me say again ally has been great with press [etc] but please ally go and lets get on with it , bring 2nd home and after whats been happening that would be a great result for us , what do yous think
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You cant blame ally for the current mess hes trying his best blame it on upstairs the fiasco we are in shocking enough said
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All football debts must be cleared before you can get into europe,its not just the accounts problem.......green jhedi
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If there is no liquid(cause you get treated diff then every team in spl), then other teams in the spl will see their chance to make it in europe and i can see you's ending up 3-4 place. and it will bring change to the spl since now everyone would be playing fair and within their means. its now the chance for the others to have a go in europe and with Celtic looking strong hopefully the coefficient points go up and that the spl gets better/respect.
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Yep allys got to go, bring in big terry butcher he knows how to build a squad with the bear bones and on the cheap (cos that's where it's goin) bug tel will do the job. Dont know if we'd have money to buy him out of Inverness contract it's that bad seriously face it! It's that bad with more news to come out from the admin which I'm sure will be more great news :(
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18 Feb 2012 17:39:59
can anyone tell me why Wylde hasn't been playing from the start?
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Because he's rubbish.
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Aye he is pish
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Because he is arrogant, drunk at the weekends and generally a bad player.
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Because he is hopeless
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18 Feb 2012 17:33:10
Could liquidation for Rangers FC be a route to quitting the SFA & SPL and starting off again in the English league...
Give a few years and English TV money...
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Yes it could.
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Deluded!
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What.......you might beat kilmarnock?.........green jhedi
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Of course it is, why would the establishment in England destroy the greatest love of their main supporters in a land that they still wish to control when the referendum is looming, their is a scam in everything, this will be no different, although i do appreciate that it does sound a little far fetched, but still when you look at the situation like that, you must admit something not right with this whole saga.
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18 Feb 2012 17:32:40
Can someone build a bridge for that gap please ? Getting a bit too big now
Lenny
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18 Feb 2012 17:29:53
Im sorry but as much as I love you Ally I get the awful feeling you are a pash manager. Sick of the chronic lack of skill and guile among our team. Lets play the youngsters. They cant be much worse! What goes on at Murray Park ffs. Do we practise with a ball? Do we practise technique? Why the feck does nearly every other team pass us off the park? Lets begin again and make skill and technique the priority and get rid of the non-footballers in our beloved team! GTM
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18 Feb 2012 17:24:00
50 thousand of you showed up today to shoe your team your support, and what do you get in return?
Exactly what you deserve lol
Motherwell for 2nd no bother lol
CB
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Yes we did but its a dire time as a fan will take years to sort this mess out ally is doing his best lay off
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Now I remember why I dislike gloating morons. Cheers CB!
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18 Feb 2012 17:22:43
Not sure I understand all this stuff. Can someone tell me the best scenario for us going forward?
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Liquidation
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Aye... Start running a bus to tyncastle
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18 Feb 2012 17:17:23
Blind loyalty, McChins is never a manager! If those players couldn't get a win today they're in real trouble for the rest of the season!
Happy days!
Miko x
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Well said miko
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Im a rangers fan and i couldnt give a cr@p about the rest of this season.... this is the time to get things fixed and come back stronger... so youz can have your good times.... see youz soon to wipe the smiles and stupid grins off your faces lol
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You know Miko we have along memory and I can't wait till Lennon duffs up again or your club, because you will regret on here, but then again when you lot were hopeless during the first half of the season you were posted missing so that kind of says it all. Ger4ever
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Ye Miko the Celtic fans just aren't loyal
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Thats cause your tea is well and trully ooott!mind the gap hailhail
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Might be a few years before you play us in a league game,still you might draw a big team in the cup eh................green jhedi
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Think you'll find I was on here during the first half of the season......I vividly remember "mind the gap, Miko"........well, it's payback!
Up yeez, Percy's!
Miko x
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18 Feb 2012 17:16:06
heres the scoop....sell the whole lot including the 3 stooges who stand on the touchline thinkin their watchin badminton......please please no takeover or bail out with mcoist still manager....that will be completely pointless if you pardon the pun....walk now ally your in the wrong career
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18 Feb 2012 17:15:36
Well as supporters you turned up, you made it a full house and how we're you paid back?
You weren't, Ally has no clue how to change a team, no clue at all.
CB
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Its not allys fault just the circumstances at the club just now
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IMcCoist , legend that he is, must have the worst record as our manager since Davie White (and I was at that 1-3 Gornik game).
Sorry Ally time to go and let us prepare for next season now.
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18 Feb 2012 17:15:01
I think we are well and truly f***ED.GAME OVER.RIP Rangers as we know it.
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18 Feb 2012 17:14:23
when we come out of this administration and hopefully have a new owner next season i would like to see terry butcher as a defensive coach, ray wilkins as midfield coach and mark hatley at attacking coach, get rid of durrrant and mcdowel, keepally as manager... we need rangers people who knows what it means to be part of our great club RANGERS "MORE THAN A BUSINESS"
JSM
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Just because butcher was a defender and wilkins a midfielder and hateley a striker doesnt make them specialist on there positions butcher would never take that step back to coaching maybe wilkins but what experience has hateley got? all i've seen of him since retirement is his dodgy commentating!!
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What a stupid post do you know your own team !! hateley as a coach ...need real rangers men...ian durrant man and boy a rangers man you should hang your head in shame!!
chalky bhoy!
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John greig,say no more
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18 Feb 2012 17:13:19
Can I just say I'm a big Celtic fan but I really feel for u rangers fans just now. Great performance second half but very unlucky today.
Chin up guys
Miko x
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18 Feb 2012 17:11:25
Another disgusting ibrox performance we would be better of if we let this lot of over payed passionless c**ts go , and played the young players.50,000 fans at the game and they played like they couldnt give a f***.
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Let's be honest, who would you miss?
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18 Feb 2012 17:11:15
Just heard that the players were told not to swap shirts with killie players or they would have to replace the top themself, expect they will have to take their own kit home to wash it next.
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18 Feb 2012 17:10:26
An other embarrassment, if we can't beat Killie at home with the player we have now we are doomed. What will it be like when we need to release player. pure pish!
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18 Feb 2012 17:10:07
ok so i know we all want answers from whyte
but i also what answers from super ally... why are we not playing bedoya and mckay
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Becos they are pish
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18 Feb 2012 17:09:48
The sfa were not too slow in saying they will investigate the way rangers are run can't see them being that quick in looking into Ian brines performance today 2 goals disallowed bizzarly and i also feel that papac challenge merited a yellow at least shame on you Ian brines it was 12 against 10 most of match very frustrating game
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Remember, these things even themselves out over the course of a season;)
isn't that what Celtic keep getting told?
karma is a bitch!
btw, your right, papac merited a yellow AT LEAST...hence why he got a red for a shocking assault
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Same old rangers.always somebody elses fault.artybhoy
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18 Feb 2012 17:08:40
Today for me emphasises the task we have ahead. The problems at our club are going to take years to overcome.
It's clear that this is affecting everyone at the club. We don't have the calibre of player who can rise above it. We dont have the leader needed, a Gough a Butcher a Souness.
I'm sorry but this is going to harder than I had hoped.
GDog
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18 Feb 2012 17:07:54
thing is even if you survive admin your team needs major investment which you wont have for years.
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18 Feb 2012 17:02:40
Well I told you so ! Celtic will be 23 points ahead by the time Rangers play their next game ( ICT away BTW )
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18 Feb 2012 17:02:04
Ian Brines ,you had a shocker,thats as poor a performance as i have seen,well done Killie you played well ,decent side,time to move on,but the ref today,Awful
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Maybe the ref was bad because he is now off the pay role.
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Yeah true, it was all the refs fault lol
Wtf r u lot thinking it was 1 nil going on 4 nil man. Just admit it you got turned over by the better team
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No excuses! Thr rangers are schmite! lol
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18 Feb 2012 16:59:46
Could it be a blessing un disguise to get rid of some of these players and give the youngsters a chance
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18 Feb 2012 16:58:08
Time to sack Super Ally?
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Who do you replace him with? Gordon smith?
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Sack ally what for its not his fault its the men upstairs
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18 Feb 2012 16:56:18
Let's make the game a sell out, let's show the world what our clubs all about, let's sing and shout sectarian bile throughout, let's do a warm up boo at half-time to get ready for full-time. Love it when a plan comes together.
Mikey Bhoy
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18 Feb 2012 16:54:15
We all seen you walking away.and we,re running away with the league,the league cup,the scottish cup,and loadsamoney.artybhoy
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You actually have no money if you check the latest accounts
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Artybhoy the whole leagues skint even yous ya clown
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18 Feb 2012 16:50:18
ally might say the right things but he shdnt be manager he is not good enough and results have proved this we had no chance of league without getting the 10 points took of us hopefully ally is the 1st 1 away
TB
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18 Feb 2012 16:41:51
In our hours of need we need guidance and leadership but supposedly super ally looks on and wonders what sport are we playing here. He does not have a clue how to change a game so it looks as if we're f***ed as no other manager is crazy enough to touch us
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Absolute rubbish ally mcoist has had a tough time give the man time stick together
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18 Feb 2012 16:40:03
Mervan looks like another bad buy... Not showen anything but how to foul people...
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Aye super Ally knows how to find them lol
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To "buy" someone you have to pay for them!! Leebhoy
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18 Feb 2012 16:34:18
Motherwell for 2nd
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Motherwell for champions league lol
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Motherwell will get to europe on merit,no complaints from me,and Stu McCall is a dyed in the wool bluenose,i wish them luck
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18 Feb 2012 16:26:34
I watch the games on Rangers TV.TV and the comentators always sing the prais of Davis and Edu... I dont think they know what a good player looks like.
GB
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How blinkered and biased are they too, jesus man.
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Your totally wrong, edu was great today, davis was non existant... kerkar played a great game, he should be in starting 11
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18 Feb 2012 16:22:32
Simon Cowell WTF r u lot thinking??
CB
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18 Feb 2012 16:22:04
Now that we are in admin can we get rid of Wallace, Edu, Davis, McCulloch, Healy and all the players we bought in the summer who we don't play?
They are all under-performers... No need for them now and we can get some cash for them all.
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Can u honestly name one player who played well today? I can't
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Fair play to kilmarnock though two teams on the pitch lads didnt play well sorry to say
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18 Feb 2012 16:13:53
Bet you never thought you'd hear of the day when Rangers looked to Selik to provide some class!
Problem is, he's pure gash! lol
Miko x
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Aye right miko, ur the biggest blue nose on here. U have more posts than green jehdi!
Oh I forgot ur so called team don't play today that's why ur supporting the gers.
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Eh?
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Double eh?.........green jhedi
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18 Feb 2012 16:12:16
i wouldny pay tose gers players nuthin....there rubbish
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18 Feb 2012 16:11:29
do these guys actually get paid......rubbish
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Probably not
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18 Feb 2012 16:10:07
adminisration aside, i believe that if we get out of this mess and are able to rebuild a squad for next season then i DON'T want ally as manager. too many poor signings, no imagination and so boring/predictable. yes coisty has conducted himself very well and he has rangers best interest at heart but i fear on the park under ally.
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Mervan Aluko and Kerkar are carrying you at the moment in this game, so maybe you're a wee bit wrong.
Celtic fan like so i dont care but i wish those three werent playing right now.
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Hard to disagree with that one
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18 Feb 2012 16:03:49
is that what you mean by the fans showing the world what you're all about?? a good airing of the sectarian songbook once again?
as if the club don't have their troubles to seek, this sh'te doesn't help the situation.
i'll bet salmond will be choking on his succulent lamb after showing his support for you, then listening to this
taco
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What sectarian songs?
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What sectarian singing was that then person ??
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What songs are sectarian we where just singing about our great culture.
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Like your lot are any better...sheesh lectured by a tim
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Still awaiting your mighty stats taco,
or should that be stato
Canyousaybanana!!
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Seriously....what sectarian songs??
maybe that's why you lot never seem to get the message
how about the sash, billy boys and derrys walls for starters?
taco
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And the rest? check your notebook
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Whats wrong with derrys walls or the sash i ask ? as for the billy boys, that would be the kilmarnock fans' version you would have heard i pressume
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18 Feb 2012 15:48:25
Well Papac does do walking away....wonder how long til the fans follow suit
Mikey Bhoy
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Try never, we actually love our team more than we hate your lot (although i personally dont hate celtic)
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Contradiction anyone?
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18 Feb 2012 15:47:44
Papac papped! lol
Easy money!
Miko x
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18 Feb 2012 15:27:47
1 nil down already gets worse and worse.
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18 Feb 2012 15:26:31
Why do we seem to be scared of there smaller teams this season. Get into them rangers
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18 Feb 2012 15:22:21
Just watching a stream on Rangers TV. In all fairness they have the place jumping i hope we keep our support up.
But the person on their commentary quoted a full 1940 speech from Winston Churchill.
The comparison is the impending war with Nazi tyrants to Rangers owing money to the government of its country.
I may be too young to remember but can someone inform me as to any adversity Rangers has actually faced that is not this current one of their own doing?
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The war started in 1939 - 'impending war with nazi tyrants' 1940 speech?
what are you on about?
did the commentator say 'impending war with nazis' and then compare it to the tax owed?
Explain.
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It did you're right 1939-45, the first year was described as the "phony war" go an look that up.
The commentator was rallying the rangers support with the aforementioned speech.
The adversity you now face is administration brought on by not paying HMRC debt.
The comparison is therefore explicit.
Explained?
Nevis
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18 Feb 2012 15:19:35
if u think things are bad now !!!!!
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18 Feb 2012 15:16:53
Here we go! Coupon's gonna come in, 8/1 on Killie today!
Mone the Killie!
Miko x
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Killie 8 to 1 on!
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18 Feb 2012 14:36:44
Rangers 5 Kilmarnock 0
goals - mcculloch, davis, healy (2) aluko
james rfc 1980
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Well thats not gonna happen now.........green jhedi
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There goes that daft comment 1-0
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I'm sure it's 1,0 to killie ya clown. Henke7
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Good one. lmao
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What on your xbox?latest from ibrokes 1-0to killie hehehe hailhail
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Killie dominating, looking for a 2nd! Good stuff!
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Whats the harm in having a wee prediction eh lads, everyone is too serious on this site. as for you henke 7 you are the clown pal, i would normally say get back to your own site, but i now know this is your site eh and you are really a true blue posting in a celtic themed name.
james rfc 1980
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Aye James ya clown?henke7
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18 Feb 2012 14:32:05
just heard on radio scotland one of the pundit says that if whyte was still in charge the game today would not have taken place,he never clarified where this information came from,methinks journalists are really loving this and are just telling us any old guff just to get a reaction
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18 Feb 2012 14:22:49
why all the abuse directed at whyte sure he's shafted you lot but what about murray he's the real villian it was him who decided not to pay the taxes and con hrmc now all the dirctors that whyte sacked are wanting to take over when they were all board members who must have known about the tax scam, murray should be stripped of his sir david title and be held liable for the damage he has done remember it was murray who put airdrie out the game now with his scam on hmrc he could well be sending you down that same path with a little help from whyte
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18 Feb 2012 14:17:08
administarters were happy to allow DC to sign and had hoped he would be available for today. They were dissapointed the SPL decided against this, must be money available as thats 30k a month
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A lot of money for ordinary working people at ibrox facing the sack...........green jhedi
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18 Feb 2012 13:43:50
G'day Percy's, hope you're all looking forward to today's game, here's a cheeky wee quad for you.....
Killie, Liverpool, Real and Barca. Only dodgy one is Liverpool, hope there's no cup shocker! lol
Mone the Killie!!
Miko x
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What about killie 4-0 half time and 6-0 full time??
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18 Feb 2012 13:28:52
Any links for today's game boys. Cheers Harthill Lad
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Vip stands
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18 Feb 2012 13:28:09
i think all these celtic claiming tainted titles need to have a look at there own .
yes we might be in debt and are suffering for it now but to say we should lose those titles is stupid.
as i think year for year during that period of time celtic were in debt too
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Ffs.when is it going to register with you eejits,that being in debt and winning trophies isnt the problem.it was paying your top players via illegaities involving their tax payments,hence,the taxman wants his money back now.so you had guys playing for you who may not have,had their wages been deducted of tax properly.jesus.thick or what.artybhoy
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Groan...It's not about debt it's about cheating the taxman , what planet r u on!.....DH
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It's also about paying for certain players who wouldn't have come to Scotland had you paid them in accordance with UK Income Tax rules. So on that basis, if they weren't here then you wouldn't have won what you did....in all likelihood.
HAIL HAIL
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Youse two are are the thick ones
nobodby has said we have to pay that yet
it was legal then
we are not in admin because of that , clearly
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Artybhoy - you're a tube. 'it was paying your top players via illegaities involving their tax payments' '
what are the illegalities that involved their tax payments in the EBT scheme?
Cos all 3 judges have been examining the submissions for weeks now and still have not ruled.
But artybhoy says it's because of illegaities in involving their tax payments - so they did pay tax then?
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Chrisbhoy - embarrassing - what are UK Income Tax rules?
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18 Feb 2012 13:26:43
Bad times ahead for rangers/Chelsea fans cause Chelsea are piss poor aswell
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18 Feb 2012 13:01:21
Come in Rangers, grab a seat........IM WORRIES ITS ALL GETTING A BIT MUCH FOR YOU RANGERS FANS.....So i got you a Calculatormebob...so you can stay up all night and still come to the same result....youre skint! SIMPLES
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18 Feb 2012 12:44:43
Anyone know if young hemmings is fit to play the day? would like to see the kid gt a chance probly better than healy
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18 Feb 2012 12:44:40
Not for one minute as a Rangers supporter am i please at what this con man Craig Whyte has done in the space of 9 months. Always thought something was strange that the minute he arrived it just had to be him that made himself available to accept presentation of last seasons league flag. Anyone with any honour would have demanded that either Walter Smith was invited back or perhaps John Greig was the person who represented the club. I hope i speak for the vast majority of Rangers suppporters when i say this guy should never be allowed back into this club,and David Murray should be forced to inform us all exactly what checks he made on the Crook.
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The rangers tax case and philmacgiolla bain were warning for TWO YEARS about the tax problems .they also sounded warnings about whyte that were shot down with the "tim rubbish" theory.a glance would have warned decent fans like yourself to beware.i have no time for the WATP mob but feel sorry for decent gers fans having to suffer the nonsense your club is going thru..............green jhedi
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18 Feb 2012 12:36:14
Is it me what with all the goings on,and everyone having their say on the Rangers problem cant remember any quote in any paper from Walter Smith or John Greig about the situation, Bit strange
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18 Feb 2012 12:14:43
will celtic fans stop taking the morale high ground here! i ask them how many have paid for a homer, cash in hand? Tax avoidance happens all the time with big companies, i am not saying this is right but where there are loopholes people are always going to take advantage!
and to the poster who says 9 in a rows devalued, check your FACTS, 9 in a row finished in 97, the EBT's are dated back to 2000-2001...idiot
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So your saying Murray and his board of directors were running Rangers as "homer" as an alternative to their day jobs........DH
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Gbear, facts and parasites don t go together. He won t be able to work that one out.
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Tax avoidance is legal ya donk, Rankers are under scrutiny for tax evasion, which is illegal. Marray's ego led to him overspending for years, including 9IAR era!
Murray had to approach the likes of Joe Lewis with cap in hand, ask yourself why!?
You're deluded Percy!
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If you are VAT registered it is stupid in the extreme to do a homer,as they hammer you for the smallest thing.you also claim the VAT back so again its stupid.rangers havent been mentioned in respect of VAT yet,that would worry me if i was a ger.............green jhedi
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Miko , any tax avoidance scheme once challenged has the potential to be found illegal up until then its legal, every person tries to pay less tax that's why accountants are so busy .
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HMRC and everyone else, outwith Rangers, believes your club has been evading its tax liabilities, but aye ok, let's play along with your "innocent until proven otherwise" principle for now......
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18 Feb 2012 12:35:13
Pay your debts or go to the wall. Simples! Jhimbhoy
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Your going to England.
foff!
Iam legend.
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18 Feb 2012 12:05:43
Craig whyte says in the sun that he had not taken a single penny out if rangers and that every penny has been properly accounted for. I believe him. Why? Well, he bought gers for a pound, that accounts for it all. The rest of the money, ticketus, jelavic, unpaid taxes went through one of his dodgy companies not rangers. So when he says he hasnt taken a penny out of rangers he is right but has used the clubs name to pocket himelf a kings ransom.
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18 Feb 2012 11:54:32
Is it me or are a lot of fans missing the point? The whole tradition of Rangers is on the line here. We need to show the world we are honourable & proud. Pay the £9m tax bill, pay the "wee tax" bill, pay our creditors what we owe them, these are the issues any new owners need to deal with. If for the next few years we have to endure hard times on & off the park then so be it, we've had barren times before and came back...thats football...thats Rangers. As for the big tax bill, Im sure the government would rather we arrange to pay it back over a longer period than go bust and they get nothing
Just a few thoughts from an older bear who remembers the 70's and 80's when we barely won anything...
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Sensible post mate hope a lot of true supporters read this and agree with what you have said,because it is time that we did the correct thing. Lets stop kidding that this is not a problem and when you say lets pay back what we owe anypne with a brain will accept that it cannot be paid back in one lump sum,but if agreement can be reached i am convinced everone who is due money would rather have it than gamble on for example so many pence in the pound.The name of Rangers is the headline due to these debt issues but everyone if they are honest will be prepared to admit that the entire mess is down to two people David Murray and Craig Whyte as they and they alone had the final say in all transactions at this club and they should be the individuals called to account.
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Well said the top two posters.with decent fans like yourselves in sure rangers problems can be coped with.lots of talk on here about honour and tradition,you two are among the few showing that.respect............green jhedi
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Here here. the club has been run shockingly. never thought i would see the day. agree, just pay up what is owed and where !!
james rfc 1980
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Outsider looking in,,could you guys not do a share issue yourselves ie a Football Trust or something similar to raise the cash or support a official club share issue in return for a supporters representative on the Rangers Board, to achieve the above?If it was pitched at at £10 a share every Fan could contribute,, Following the story it seems obvious that to much power has been placed in the hands of to few for to long at your club. Best of luck to the decent supporters like yourselves
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18 Feb 2012 11:14:25
Any online opportunites to see today's match?
Delboy
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Yes why dont you go to rangers online streamiming and pay
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You can watch it on WWW.firstrowsports.eu al the SPL games are shown on there and usually with a few streaming links to choose from. weetam1888
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The game doesnt seem to be on first row sports try vip box. ul get the game on there
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18 Feb 2012 11:05:02
the way Lemmon is going on about being cheated he forgets that we did pay the players during our "glory years"it was the players tax that wasnt paid so the club didnt financialy benefit it was the players,,maybe some of them wouldnt have been lured to come to Ibrox but that is pure speculation
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Not speculation mate.thats the whole point.artybhoy
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Muppet, employers national insurance, now 13.8% of wages, a club liability not paid. back then they were saving say 12% on every payment structured through EBT.
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If the De Boers, Michael Ball, Thomas Buffel etc hadn't have been given those extra payments they would not have came to scotland......and you wouldn't have won the league/cup!
By luring those players here with promises off extra benefits your club would have made millions in payments from SFA and UEFA!
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The EBT's were administered by RFC. HMRC say they didn't do it correctly and have persued RFC until the Tax Tribunal. The findings have not been released but you lot you know the score, even calculating 12%. Aye right.
What happens if an owner of a business does not declare the business' income to the HMRC?
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18 Feb 2012 10:58:48
I remember Lennon crying out for fairness and that people should get of celtics case everybody was against them WHO IS THE FIRTS TO DIVE IN THAT'S RIGHT LENNON WANTING TO TWIST THE KNIVE HE'S A SHORT MEMORY
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Oh get real.can you idiots not realise its YOUR CLUB thats done wrong.no one else.artybhoy
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KNIVE? you are letting your hatred of lennon cloud your mind mug.he also stated how sorry for mccoist he is and has a lot of sympathy for the players.you still swallow what the papers say? after what your clubs been through?...........green jhedi
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Dont be so naive Jhedi.
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GDog;meaning..........green jhedi
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Jhedi: The report is accurate and quotes him. The shoe is on the other foot. He told Walter to mind his own business when he commented on Celtic last season. Your ned of a manager just cant keep his cool or his mouth shut. He should practise what he preaches.
Mind his business in public and do what the hell he wants behind closed doors.
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18 Feb 2012 10:58:29
For those unable to get tickets, in the style of the penny arcade to no1 campaign, a mass-organised hash-tag party for any twitter users?
Lets show our support in every way we can
#GlasgowRangers #WATP #wedontdowalkingaway #RFC #BlueBellsAreBlue
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For those unable to get tickets....just turn up with a pair of boots, you just might get a game....
Bhrydo Bhoy
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18 Feb 2012 10:44:13
To the guy who posted further down on this page regarding what or where he thinks all the money has gone.
I am not going to reply to the moneyt debate side of it, but i do take you to task blaming this on the reason we were put out of 2 european competitions.
We were put out of europe by 2 pub teams that our youth teams would have beaten. Why was this , because of supar ally,s tactics and team selections, thus costing our great club between 10 and 20 million. Oh and dont forget league and scottish cup exits causing us even more lost revenue.
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Listen son, you have not got a clue. On any other night we would have beaten these teams, we had several clear cut chance to win by 4 or 5. Ally is not responsible for missing guilt edge chances.
You are not wanted here. Your negative thinking is not required or desired. Perhaps you should look to support another team, one more suited to your calibre.
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Its you who aint got a clue, we were rank rotten in all 4 european ties. I mean playing 5 at the back at ibrox against a poor Malmo team says it all.
Listen mate i was at all 4 of these ties, but i aint got blue tinted specs on when it comes to been honest. Ally's team selections and tactics for those games were terrible as they have been for most of the season.
Just because we are in the trouble we are in it does not mean we cannot be honest and up front in our opinions of supr ally !!!
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Well said g dog and Wat about Whitaker getting sent off at 0-0 wee would have went threw if he stayed on the park and this would never had been a problem
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18 Feb 2012 10:39:26
Going by Lennon's logic. That means over the last few years when the likes of
Barcelona
Real Madrid
Inter Milan
Manchester united
All won champions league and are in debt should be stripped of title and trophy given to Celtic, oh wait Celtic were in debt also so they cant get it either. Get a grip Timothy stop showing your hatred its getting embaressing
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It's about not paying taxes fool
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No, those clubs didnt use underhand payments to players.artybhoy
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What a stupid post.all those clubs turnover is massive.try and understand this is buisness rules thats in play here.barca,milan and real are all funded by govt cash...........green jhedi
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You green idiots are all the same look at what Lennon said I was stating point that Lennon implying rangers spent money they did not have which means debt and I'm not talking about tax the so called 49 million case has not been decided yet. Rangers have done nothing I repeat nothing illegal can you lot get that in your heads.this tax case debate cause that's all it is just now until decision made is from 2001 nine in a row was previous to that are you lot finaly going to understand that ed could you not omit posts that anything illegal was done please
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18 Feb 2012 10:18:20
apparently Celtic have 40 1st team players on thier wage bill just wondering what thier wage bill is per year, they must be getting bailed out by someone, any thoughts!
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Don't care about celtic more interested in the mess rangers are in
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Interestingly their accounts were posted during our feeding frenzy. 7m debt and a couple of hundred grand in the bank. But if it costs us 3.5m per month with a smaller squad what are they paying? Now I know that septic fans love figures so if there are no more season tickets to sell and there are 4 months until renewal will they be 21m in debt next season?
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Who cares
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Probably one of our REAL BILLIONAIRE directors as opposed to your ficticous one. shouldnt you be worrying about your own finances?..............green jhedi
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Just a well run club
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We don't need bailed out by anyone, we live within our means and can pay our wage bill, pay all our taxes, make payments towards our credit facilities and still turnover a small profit
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1. The accounts were released on monday before it came out that whyte had filed for admin. 2. Making a couple hundred grand profit doesnt mean there is only a couple hundred grand in the bank, it means there is a couple hundred grand more than there was the previous 6months. 3. Celtic have a credit facility which we use within our means and have actually reduced our debts and would be able to wipe them out completely with the sale of 1 player....not a full squad, our stadium and training facilities.
Start worrying about your own team. Your team was in the sh!t before your stupid post and are still in the sh!t after your stupid post...no amount of trying to kid yourself or anyone else that celtic have any financial problems at all is gona change that.
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Did Mikey Bhoy who has posted on the rangers site over and over again recently just tell us to worry about our own team ? lol
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Haha what BILLIONAIRE is that then? donald trump? alan sugar? Haha get a grip mate you don't realise that the papar. talk is balls, millions onaire aye but not billionaire! now a billionaire would be better off buyin the spl as a whole and get our league back up the table, go to sleep mate
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Credit facility - you forgetting the £20m Dermott Demond has pumped in to your well run club and the mortgage of Lennoxtown 2011.
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Mikes bhoy, looks like the poster has hit a nerve son, and by the way it doesn't mean you have 200k more than 6 months ago.
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Diference is noname, i am not worried in the slightest about rangers. I come on here for 2 reasons and 2 reasons only. 1. to laugh at all who are STILL in denial and ur pathetic excuses/ attempts to deflect blame etc. and 2. To wind yous all up which is even easier than ever now.....it is a banter page after all.
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So making a couple hundred grand profit in the 6months upto 31 december doesnt mean we have a couple hundred grand more than we did before that 6months started?
Now do you see why all that tax money would hav been usefull going towards education?
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Ill end this once and for all....Rangers = skint, Celtic = not skint......end of, now go away and blame someone else .....Big Issue, Big Issue........
Bhrydo Bhoy........Happy, but willing to help!! you just have to ask!
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18 Feb 2012 10:15:27
Airdrie fan here hope you get what you deserve because it was not that long ago my club went out of business we owed rangers money and Murray demanded it from us which effectively put us out of business murrays words were business is business so I have no sympathy for you one bit just pay your taxes like every other genuine decent honest man does aufc
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Well said mate.seems thats been forgotten by everyone,press included.....green jhedi
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Your a DIAMOND mate.artybhoy
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Im a hearts fan but i think it a bit unfair we dont get the wallace transfer money good luck for the future
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18 Feb 2012 10:08:13
There is the difference: 2 men only one is a man.
Neil Lennon & Paolo Di Canio
Di Canio a Celtic legend talks of his dismay at Rangers potential plight and how true opposing fans don't celebrate in their rivals situation. Almost comparing Celtic fans to that of Roma.
Then you have Lennon: All he wants to talk about is his deep rooted bitterness. How he feels 'he' may have been cheated in his time as a player, and how he is waiting for the case result to demand titles be taken away!
How this would be achieved I'm not sure. However once again it shows the mark of this person. Bitter, angry and depressed.
Paolo Di Canio is the man here. Well done Paolo.
I wish I could be at Ibrox today but unfortunately business comes first. Today I am certain the boys will do their business and the fans that turn up in their thousands will be immense, colossal and a power against all the cr@p that surrounds us.
Give it to them today lads, I expect tears and joy. We will survive......
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Think Neil Lennon is correct rangers cheated and as a fan I feel cheated, we have celebrated titles that we shouldn't have won.
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Patting the back of a fascist lunatic says more about you than you think .
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GDog; oh there will be tears soon enough,shame you have to work........green jhedi
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I take it you did not read the article,another reporter stirring up bile, and after last seasons threats against Lennon totally out of order,all Lenny said was if Rangers are found out to have cheated he would comment at that time,dignity Fc wont need to have the titles withdrawn you guys will surely hand them back?
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There is a difference between saying something people want to hear and speaking from the heart.
The problem with listening to what you want to hear (Eg Mr Craig White) is they very seldom mean what they say and make fools of the folk who trust them.
Ally McCoist - a Rangers legend - has been totally hung out to dry thanks to a man who made all the right noises and promises while performing a cheap conjuring trick behind the screen.
Even Big Greig saw through him.
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Jimi88 your a clown. It just shows you how much I detest Lennon.
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I honestly dont think Greig saw through him, but was willing to trust the existing boards opinion. However until proven otherwise Whyte has yet to be found out. Of course as things develop its looking more and more likely that he has done what many feared would happen. I will always give the benefit of the doubt where possible. I truly wanted this man to the the man and prove the doubters wrong. Why? because my club needed it to be that way. The smoother the better, people would not be fearing for their jobs.
For me every other club in the UK should be understanding of a clubs plight in such times and be more political, professional and dignified in their public response. Behind closed doors they can laugh and shout all they want.
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Lennon being bitter towards rangers , he should be ashamed of himself , i mean it was rangers fans that helped him give up an international career , it was rangers fans who made him world famous by graffitiing his name all over n. ireland followed by r.i.p. and he must have forgot it was rangers fans that threatened him and his family by sending bullets and bombs through the post , bitter towards rangers , he has a f***** cheek ..billybhoy
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Excellent billybhoy.excellent.artybhoy
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Previous post:
Listen you jumped up ignorant. A few idiots do not make Rangers or Celtic. Yes all of what you said happened. The bullets came from one person not Rangers. The graffiti is on every other street corner and toilet up and down the UK for any Old Firm manager.
GROW UP and get educated.
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@gdog
" Jimi88 your a clown. It just shows you how much I detest Lennon."
I wasnt the one back-patting a fascist moron , you were . The fact you point me out as a clown for highlighting your abhorrent views , is laughable and probably your best effort . You are an embarrassment
jimi88
By the way Einstein , its "you're a clown" not "your a clown" . Just went to school for the free dinners , did you ??
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18 Feb 2012 10:04:05
I've been doing a bit of digging for information on Craig Whyte or is it White? According to Companies House listings of directorships of companies Whyte? or White? is involved in,he has multiple identities- different spelling of his name & date of birth.
Some examples-
company-director-check.co.uk/director/904593481 Month/Year of Birth: 01/1969
company-director-check.co.uk/director/914796109 TIXWAY UK LIMITED
Month/Year of Birth: 01/1971
duedil.com/director/915375823/craig-whyte Zemfill
Date of Birth: 2012 eh?
Pritchard Stockbrokers Limited (banned from trading by the FSA)
Date of Birth: 2012 eh? again
company-director-check.co.uk/director/914899722
MCR INVESTMENTS LTD Dissolved
MCR CAPITAL LTD
Short name - Craig White
Director ID : 914899722
Month/Year of Birth: 01/1971
Address
Castle Grant
Grantown-On Spey
Morayshire
United Kingdom
PH26 3PS
This is the most intriguing of all, with the Castle Grant address, it appears he has changed the spelling of his name!
Ed-all of this info is in the public domain, so publish without fear
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All crap...trueblue....
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Thats 20miles from me, maybe ill pay him
A little visit and boot his arse into gear
TODD88
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You have been doing some digging, are you a Gardner? I got the same info by reading the newspaper.
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18 Feb 2012 09:59:53
If there is any 'wrong-doing' found over the takeover who would get punished Rangers or Craig Whyte?
Just wondering what action the police or sfa can take against the club if it is deemed that Whyte is at fault?
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If thee is any wrong doing in the take over then the SFA have a responsibility. They are part to blame for not investigating enough. Essentially EVERYONE will have been duped!
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18 Feb 2012 09:44:31
IF celtic had held on to finally come top of the pile over this skeletal Gers side people would have thought more of their achievement than the stroll to the default title after the points deduction. Thus their "achievement" of "winning" this year's league title is therefore clearly devalued- FACT
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Am a rangers man and your wrong they won games they fought back 15 points and it's not their fault we got 10 point deducted FACT
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It's not Celtics fault rangers are a shambles. FACT, its not celtics fault rangers have cheated for last 12 years FACT, if it was the other way around then you would celebrate rangers winning the league. FACT, Celtic would have won the league without 10 point deduction cause rangers are piss poor. FACT, Celtic will won the next 4 LEAGUE TITLES. FACT,
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Every title won when using EBT's is tainted , and is now haunting the club .
FACT
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And therefore if your being fare the 9 in the row run was cheating - FACT?
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Rangers owe taxman so they are cheats FACT rangers owe other clubs so they are cheats FACT rangers blew a 9 point lead so they are s**t FACT Celtic are on a 17 game winning streak ( even if it is against weak teams) so that makes them the best team in scotland FACT so if ya wanna say that the league title is devalued because you lot got caught cheating so be it. Enjoy the third division its what you deserve. hope the decent fans out there find some relief in that I believe rangers will be back all be it in about 5 years but will be a force again. MMI2009
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HAHA! Aww didums excuses excuses rangers were 15 points clear at one stage & people on here even said if they get 10 points took off them they would still win the league.... Where are they now
Lenny
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What a lot of deluded nonsense. FACT.
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Agree, I do believe we would have struggled with our current squad.
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Whhat rubbish."skeletal squad" you have spent virtually the same as celtic over the last 5 years.............green jhedi
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Its NOT the whole of the 9 in a row under investigation. So get your 'FACTS' right.
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Glad I got so many responses. Methinks I may have touched a wee nerve. :-)
Would appreciate you post my messages in full please editor. The postscript missed off the end of my FACT was: one of the very few occasions where theuse of this is correct.
Is Celtic's achievement in winning this year's title as great 'cause Rangers are in the toilet as it otherwise would have been?- of course it isn't, and that is just a FACT. That's why the lemon has been asked the question and will be asked it again on a good few more occasions between now and May.
It's a bit like it's a FACT that if Rangers fortunes are significantly damaged for a long time into the future Celtic will also decline. They can't no decline. Anyone that genuinely can't see that isnae worth talking to. They'd argue black was white. {Ed001's Note - if you posted the full message it would help, rather than trying to act like it was edited.}
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18 Feb 2012 09:39:09
Everybody going on about super ally we know he's super we for get 1 he's blue he's Whyte he's f....n dynamite Ian durrant ... Kenny
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Your right mate,nobody sits in a dugout quite like him............green jhedi
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18 Feb 2012 09:01:22
been rangers fan all my life am 45 been season ticket holder 12 years always paid cash seen the dark days in the 1980 on wards any wAy point am making we have had a lot of good years kept Scottish football going along with Celtic they have played their part as well . Now when the s**t hits the fan like Tuesday morning all the other teams are right on our backs if they were to think back to how much money they got out of gers fans we fill their grounds every away game prob got more fans their than they have at games . Not saying don't pay them only asking for a bit of time things will get sorted we will be back bigger and stronger but not at tannadice will never give Thompson my money again cheers ...kenny
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@kenny; dead right mate,but whats pi**ing clubs off that rangers (or administrators) have not made any statement regarding their unpaid bills.im sure if they did then a payment plan would be acceptable,its only common sense............green jhedi
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18 Feb 2012 08:35:46
The average season ticket is £400 the average amount of season ticket holders 36,500. so thats £14,600,000 a year. Ticketus bought the seats till 2015. Say this start next season thats 3 years tickets, so thats. £43,800,000 a profit of £19,800,000 in 3 years from doing nothing. Also can ticketus now decide the prices for season tickets for the next 3 years?
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I suspect they can put their own price together! Not good
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Ticketus bought a percentage of tickets each season not all of them
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GDog; i dont think they can,im sure i read that the conditions stay the same,although an inflation rise is permitted.hope not as thats a disgrace if so............green jhedi
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18 Feb 2012 03:52:02
all joking aside please how are we going to pay back any money we owe to hmrc and other scottish clubs tickitus lost revenue we dont have that seems thats lost any ideas anyone will a new buyer come in not forgeting players wages serious replys please i mean we as rangers the club
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I suspect we will be in administration until the result comes round. Then HMRC will be offered a reduced payment, however there is the real danger of HMRC then pushing us into liquidation.
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I think that's if we don't get a buyer who can come in and clear the debt. SW but good point
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18 Feb 2012 02:19:56
who was the last rangers scottish SUPERstar?
yes the man in the dugout with the world apparently on his shoulders. I reckon this guy doesn't need to do this job for the money(it cant be what we would imagine ) pure deep affection of this club and the supporters also the great memory's and friendships built over his love for rangers is what is driving him on imo.
Lets get behind the manager of rangers Ally Mcoist and give it large for the team. jammydodger
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"Rangers has always been my team. Since I was a boy I have supported Rangers and was blessed to play for the club then return as Assistant Manager. So I think I'm pretty qualified in terms of knowing the club and the fans, the players and what it means to people. I know how important it is to everybody and hopefully as manager I can help to bring the club further success."
Super Ally has my vote, many "outsiders whould have been joe the toff! long ago
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Ally McCoist has always spoken so well. His love of our club is evident. He has morals, dignity and professionalism oozing from his body, unlike any other Celtic manager I care to remember. He IS the man to lead us through this. It was Walter before it will Ally now. He is the face pf this club and will always be remembered for it. He should be loved for it and admired.
NOW is the time to support him all the way to the bitter end.
In Ally We Trust
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Neil Lennon would have long gone if shoe was on other foot.
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I have to say after last season I reckon Lennon could put up with this.
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18 Feb 2012 01:52:39
glad that the cousin deal fell through,now they can keep someone from the rangers family rather than filling wullie mckays pockets,who i know hates rangers
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Too right mate. Why does anyone care with all the "Cousin's no signed talk?!? He's free to go off and collect his £20k a week from the brum now too what's more. Let's sit back and watch that one unfold, I'm quite sure all that mince was 100% true. :-P
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Er.... You still have to pay Cousin regardless hes signed for Rangers hes just not signed to play in the spl.
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Er er, released by the administrators, we don't need to pay, if we don't have it you don't get it.
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Do you think mckay wont screw money for breach of contract?...........green jhedi
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18 Feb 2012 01:37:31
Good day in front of us today bears start it of with a read at today's current bun.wee Lenny getting in on the act now.wants a winners medal you could not make this up.ask your chairman is he not on the sfa committee sure he could arrange to get one struck up for you as yous could win one where it mattered on the park.
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Read the article donk,its a reporter putting a reporters spin on it ,anyway if its cheating its cheating and surley a respectable club like Rangers wont need to be stripped of titles, they will hand them back when they lose the case. I dont hear many of you complaing about other parties like that clown salmond sticking their oar in(is that because he is saying somthing you like?) I do agree on one point thought this is nobodys buisiness but Rangers,the tax man and the numerous small people and buisness that will go to the wall because of the shyte night, I would like to think that the great Glasgow RAngers will pay their dues but somehow i doubt it ,honour my arse
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18 Feb 2012 01:29:48
This may be the answer we are all looking for regarding why this has happened and where the money has gone, why Jelavic was sold to Everton instead of West Ham when they offered more money, why he deliberately set out to sabotage any signing Ally wanted and why Mr Whyte never paid the Taxman.
Here goes.
As we all know future ticket sales have been sold to Ticketus for about 25 million which Craig Whyte then used as capital to takeover the club. I believe 18 million was used to clear the debt with the bank. Although Whyte cleared this debt he really only transferred it to Wavetower who i believe may now be called the Rangers Group thus making him secured creditor, when and it always was going to be when, he placed the club into administration. This move has also prevented Ticketus from being affected by the club being in administration as they now own the ticket sales for this amount over a period of a few years which would not have been the case had Whyte borrowed the money from, say a bank. Shrewd move. The reason the administrators cannot trace this money at the moment is because it was originally paid into the account of Wavetower aka the Rangers Group the parent company of the club who are not in administration. This still leaves 7 million unaccounted for although I believe this may have been transferred into the club to ensure Rangers have enough in their accounts to pay off their secured creditor namely Mr Craig Whyte.
More recently it has also come to light that the club have not paid any PAYE, VAT or National Insurance contributions since the takeover. Why I here you all ask. Well if you planned to put the club into administration and you were to be the main creditor you would hope that there was enough money in the account to cover that debt. Especially if you knew the club were to go into administration.
This brings us on to our embarrassing and shambolic dealings in the transfer market in the summer and more recently the January transfer window. Every quality player Ally wanted to sign on a bosman was offered poor terms and knocked us back. Now I know the days of Rangers signing superstars on high wages are over but I don’t believe these guys were asking for fortunes either but Mr Whyte did not want to be spending too much money for a reason. This is also why he put in embarrassing offers in for some of Allys main targets which ultimately led to us being knocked out of Europe. He deliberately sabotaged the big deals because you’ve guessed it he needed to make sure there was enough money to pay off that secured creditor. Hence the reason Jelavic was sold to Everton for 5.5 million instead off West Ham who offered significantly more. Albeit the payments were to be in stages which meant the money would not be in Rangers account at the time of Mr Whytes planned administration, and he could not have that as that secured creditor needs paying. This explains why he never attempted to help Ally get anyone in to replace Jelavic as he would rather the money was in the bank.
Hopefully that connects the dots but I am unsure if Mr Whyte is really entitled to the 18 million to which he claims is his, because from what I see the Ticketus money may have been used to pay off the debt but it was money secured from an asset of the club not the parent company or Craig Whyte.
I hope I am wrong but this exactly how it looks and if his plan comes off it looks like hes got himself a nice little lottery win for about a years work. {Ed001's Note - makes no sense, Everton are paying for Jelavic in staged payments, West Ham couldn't have paid over a longer term as UEFA's FFP ruling has a time limit on transfer fees being paid off.}
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As an evertonian...he went to everton coz they were one of the clubs they owe money to that was why fee was agreed lower....rangers owe money to everyone everton just happened to be one of those clubs in for him
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In your post you miss out one vital thing..what is the security for the ticketus deal.i find it hard to believe they did not ,in these financially troubled times,ask for some security.............green jhedi
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18 Feb 2012 01:28:01
I'm a season ticket holder with my step daughter and we will be at the game so to all rangers supporters w.r.t.p, as ally say,s it's our team and we don't do walking away come on the bears.
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Not this week anyway but wait till the results turn,you will be able to pick anyseat you fancy
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18 Feb 2012 00:39:41
Mandaric has said he has NO interest in buying us, and that he has had NO contact with the administrators.
Should the Sun newspaper not be held to account for saying the opposite ??
More bloody nonsense from so called " Newspapers "
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These guys never admit to interest until the deal is done!
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18 Feb 2012 00:23:38
i have a quid can i buy the gers,does anyone think they are worth a quid as what is happening now is well and truly unreal why doesnt the fans sink the money into the club after all you might only be talking 25quid a share for the fans to bail the club out,wouldnt be the 1st time fans have owned a club
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If you think this is a joke look at the league table the season is finished not only for gers fans but tic as well. ive been a blue nose since my first game with my dad in 1956 and ill be there tomorrow.
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Cant believe all the Rankers who are throwing the towel in on the league,Celtic overturned a 15 point lead, it is not over till the fat lady sings
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17 Feb 2012 23:56:57
why is everyone getting on craig whites back?he has delivered everything he said we spent 5 million on transfers in the summer inc new contracts and we are debt free.gullible fans we are
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You really are having a laugh, he has spent no money apart from a £1, where have you been hiding.
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