Rangers Banter Archive September 17 2012

17 Sep 2012 22:51:50
Rangers in the late 70s early 80s were regularly pulling in sub 6000 fans going as low as 2000.

They did still turn out when Celtic came to ibrox though. 3000 to 50,000 in one week.

The fans are in defiance but already making big noises after 5 league.

Wait until the cold sets in with these exposed grounds and having to watch the drivel on the park.

No winning means no The Rangers fans

Rangers fans know amd septic fans know, they only exist because of rangers. after watching us, and u did. for 15 years back in the 1800's . u finally decided to form your own club. ever since then u have been like the younger, slightly uglier brother, trying to live up to the more successful handsome big brother.u needle us accordingly. this is understandable from an inferiority point of view. however u will never over take us. even jock stein was heard to admit. if only the mighty Rangers had come in for me first

I remember being at Ibrox when over 100,000 were in attendance for, believe it or not, a league match v Hibs. How about that then? PS...my father was at the Ibrox world record match of over 118,000 v Celtic. How about that?! OAP

What a load of tosh from the opening post. Ibrox was being re-built after the disaster and the average attendance was never lower than 17,000. Away and boil yer heid! 54 and counting.

3) he didn't say that was your average he said you were getting crowds like that, I personally doubt it was regular but it did happen and therefore despite big old firm crowds explains the average of 17,000 or so. Instead of 54 and counting what about engage eyes and reading?

23 May 1979

One week after Rangers lost the league at Celtic Park

Rangers v Partick Thistle - Attendance 2000

FACT

By regularly you mean once ya doughnut

I think I remember the game in question and it was a mid week cup game and there was no govan stand just a pile of rubble, there was more fans watching free from the bank of rubble than in the main stand. The most entertaining part if game was watching the game of tig as the police tried to stop the freeloaders watching the game. Your point is?

2000 rangers v thistle fact,its not fact check official records on the game and read into the game and why the attendance was recorded as being so low,there was alot more than 2000 there,anyway concentrate on filling your half empty stadium spl games watp

It wasnt a week after they played Celtic -I think it was 2 days later they played Partick Thistle.

I dont remember the exact attendance I was at both the 4-2 loss of league at tims then went thistle as i went to most games then , what I do remember it was eerie silent depressing and a crap game you could actually hear all the players shouting during play, ... i prefer the third division to what happened that week, it wasthe start of the end of Wallace years 2 trebles etc, we were ****e to watch most of the next 10 years, now we are on the dawn of a new era in 3rd div but selling out every game and home matches exciting great atmosphere and at least entertaining, just need sort out attitude away.... or replace McCoist.... george

17 Sep 2012 20:49:51
Time for a nice wee sports quiz.
1. How many titles/ trophies did Airdrie win before going bust?
2. How many titles/ trophies did Clydebank win before going bust?
3. How many titles/ trophies are now recorded on the new but same Airdrie's history
Prizes for the most creative answers

Jd

How many titles did Wimbledon FC win before going to the wall - how many titles / trophies have AFC Wimbledon won since being accepted into the Football Leauge pyramid ? I think you will find that the replica F.A Cup that winners retain is in the trophy cabinet at Cherry Reds Stadium....not in the runners up ground at Annfield . The F.A eventually decided that AFC Wimbledon retained the history of Wimbledon FC. I'll take a prize Timothy , now jog on back to your own page...54 titles = Fact.

Your manager will be answering things like that soon when he's back on A Question of Sport.........DH

I don't see the relevance of your example jd as they are not even similar when you compare them. I have no doubt the usual suspects from both sides, myself included, will go round in circles as usual and you are entitled to your view, but I simply can't agree with it.

1. Airdrie bought the league share and SFA membership of another CLUB (CAPS for the hard of hearing - not necessarily you OP) and changed the name - Rangers transferred their existing share and SFA membership between two COMPANIES, one Oldco and one Newco (ratified by the SFL clubs unanimously, bar Clyde, during the first vote, which related to whether Rangers qualified for direct acceptance into the league as an existing member or whether rules would have to be amended to allow us into the SFL by the back door if necessary - the bottom line is we were getting back in no matter what).

2. Therefore Airdrie AREN'T Airdrie, they are, for all intents and purposes Clydebank (a pre-existing CLUB - not a new COMPANY representing the same CLUB) masquerading as Airdrie - Rangers bought which club again? That's right, they didn't have to go down the route of becoming a different CLUB as the existing shares/memberships were transferred between two companies.

3. Honestly, at this stage I couldn't give a monkeys about the history as I am simply grateful to still have a team to support after everything that has went on, particularly in the past year. Surely you have something better to do with your time than come up with this? It is time to get back to concentrating on football. Genuine good luck against Benfica.

Absolutely no prizes whatsoever for the most unimaginative put down, lol.

Brian (common, working class football fan - not a lawyer, politician, accountant, or even a tax expert)

Name the first ever Scottish club to be penalized for cheating? That's right,you've guessed it!...Celtic. watp

Here's a cracking question, how many Tour De France victories will Lance Armstrong soon have?

Brian thanks for the sensible retort, it's amazing how many bitter, crazy replies you get for simple questions.
The only reason for the post was because of all the tit for tat chat earlier in the day regarding history.
The relevance of airdrie/ Clydebank is really the transfer of share....as in reality it's exactly the same as the rangers situation. Rangers did transfer to a brand new team in sevco, who then changed their name to the rangers. It really does amaze me how many people are jumping on this " the company not the team" bandwagon that Green is spinning, this guy really does sound more like whyte with each passing day unfortunately.

Jd

As 1) pointed out so eloquently

"The F.A eventually decided that AFC Wimbledon retained the history of Wimbledon FC"

AFC was the amateur newco that started up after Wimbledon FC moved ground...

we if we start another newco and call it " A Rangers" which newco gets the history... its not clear-cut !


FA gave AFC history.... even though wimbledon fc was more of the original playing team ? {Ed001's Note - you really have no idea what you are talking about, regarding Wimbledon, this is just utter nonsense. What Charles Green has done is far closer to the AFC Wimbledon model than MK Dons. Perhaps you should think about that before bringing it up?}

@5 probably depends on whether his EBT was paid when he was cycling or after he finished.

Read wiki on mk dons (went into admin, then out) and afc wimbledon (whole new club "phoenix" which eventually got the history of WFC)... cant see how green more like afc ed .....??? {Ed001's Note - you really can't see how the Rangers in the 3rd division are more like AFC Wimbledon then MK Dons? Are you being deliberately obtuse?}

In reply to No 7 : you are talking utter nonsense - AFC Wimbledon was started by fans in response to the franchise (MKD*) buying out Wimbledon FC and transporting that club to MK. Look at AFCW's history on their website - it was a long struggle to be recognised by the F.A and the fans and the Dons Trust deserve total recognition for the work that they are continually doing. Former players of Wimbledon FC continually show their support by attending games involving AFCW and help maintain the bond and history of Wimbledon FC and AFCW. All I am trying to show is the continual link between Wimbledon FC and AFCW . The franchise were not able to "buy" Wimbledon FC's history when they moved to MK- they had to return the FA Cup , under instruction of the F.A to AFCW , not to Liverpool , who Wimbledon FC had defeated in the Final- there was no shouts by fans of the losing team demanding that the F.A Cup now belonged to them- who wants a trophy when you knowingly lost out to a better team on the day and did not rightfully win it. To date Rangers have won 54 titles, and that number will just keep rising- as a Rangers fan , the next title wont be the first that the club I support has won. AFCW and Rangers FC are the 2 teams I support . I havent supported 2 other clubs and now support 2 new ones. Darkside , get used to the history, its ours and always will be- ask any loyal fan.

17 Sep 2012 18:17:18
ally cant be sacked green does not have the money to pay him off and also all the backroom staff also under TUPE no redundancies within 1st year

Rubish..was tuped in January and within 6 months 44 staff were made redundant....johnny G

Who wants our Ally sacked anyway? Let's see...Celtic fans of course! Why?...because he's a legend!

TUPE is only worth the paper it's written on at the time of transfer. This 1 year stuff is a nonsense ......

No one is indispensable. Get rid ASAP

You could sack him as stated in the Tupe Regulations 2006 in relation to 'Dismissal of employee because of relevant transfer'

(5) Paragraph (1) shall not apply in relation to the dismissal of any employee which was required by reason of the application of section 5 of the Aliens Restriction (Amendment) Act 1919(1) to his employment



Aliens Restriction (Amendment) Act, 1919.. section 5

5.-(1) ' No alien shall act as master, chief officer, or chief
engineer of a British merchant ship registered in the United
Kingdom, or as skipper or second hand of a fishing boat registered
in the United Kingdom, except in the case of a ship or
boat employed habitually in voyages between ports outside the
United Kingdom.

I had to giggle when it said about voyages to europe.....

Think you will find Celtic fans do not want him sacked cause he is so bad

@2: I think you'll find Celtic fans want him to stay because he's such a legend at managing the team.

2) Why would Celtic fans want Ally sacked?.....DH

@2 Who wants Ally sacked? Have you not being kept up on this site.Sat,Sun all rangers fans baying for his head.Celtic fans
want Ally to sign this 25 year contract and you know why!

A manager who exits 2 european competitions in 4 weeks, then quickly followed by 2 domestic cup exits, then blows a significant 15 point lead to loose the league by a country mile (even deducting the 10 point penality imposed for financial corruption) a manager then who spends an absoloute fortune dishing out £7K contracts to umpteen players and still cant buy a win away from home against Annan, Peterhead and Elgin!
The giants of football will be knocking down the doors for this fine chap!
HAHA

Ally will not be sacked is lemon doing a great job i dont think so

@11, is turning a 15point difference around in record time, is a 23+ unbeaten streak, is record for clean sheets in a season,is 4 wins no goals allowed in Europe, is cl, is managers of the months awards/players awards,great signings and so much more not the makings of a great manager? I think your small minded thinking is holding you back from seeing just how good he is.

12 keep living in the past so what you had one good season in the league when your biggest and only rivals were on there knees. It's quite funny how fast you lot forget stuff when it suits first we heard it was going to be a easy treble then a double then aye but we won the league by a mile. So what we lost a 15 point lead we had much more important things to worry about

17 Sep 2012 18:12:12
£1 price increase for the montrose match also concession price increase rumours might be true struggling for money already

Chuck needs to get the share issue done asap so he can pay off his clients, ticketus/octupus. once thats been done you wont see him for dust and the rangers will be cast out to sea

17 Sep 2012 15:30:27
The allegations against them weren't trumped up by an outsider: they originate from a former Rangers director, Hugh Adam. They are innocent unless proven guilty and are entitled to a fair and honest investigation by the SPL. After Adam's allegations, evidence to suggest they had a case to answer was collected by the SPL's lawyers, and a verdict will be reached and any punishment applied by an eminent judge and two QCs. At no point is any other club involved in the process.

This isn't an investigation into using EBTs, remember, it's a probe into specific allegations of SPL rule-breaking. It began with a statement on March 5 which said: "The SPL board has instructed an investigation into the alleged non-disclosure to the SPL of payments made by or on behalf of Rangers FC to players since July 1 1998." Adam said of the alleged payments: "They weren't included in the contracts. That was the whole point of them."
From The Herald's Michael Grant

Paddy Malarkey

So only one side of the allegations is now considered, and the accused party has no recourse as in the right to defend the allegations ? Even Manson who committed the most heinous of crimes had the right to a trial.

@1 TRFC chose not to attend to defend themselves - a bit like not recognising the court .

Paddy Malarkey

The accussed party does have the right to defend the allegations but Charles Green on behalf of Newco and the Administrators on behalf of Oldco (who the allegations relate to) have both stated they will not attend the hearings.

17 Sep 2012 10:57:46
Thank god that's a load off my mind u don't know how many restless nights av had worrying about this are they in are they not in it GET A GRIP I like playing my Xbox but come on have we not got other things to think about than FIFA ,go crawly town make make the game a wee bit harder

17 Sep 2012 09:24:25
now i dont normally read jim traitor but his piece in the celtic times this morning was very enlightning.all bears should read this as it paints the spl and sfa as incompetent imbeciles as they knew we were using ebt's,which were legal,and basically said it was ok.so well done jim!!.also this is the last day to register your fantasy football team for the metro champs lge f/f.great prizes also a booby prize for the worst.i'm gony pick the full septic team.i'm a certainty.hee hee!.b/hill chosen few

The Celtic Times? I take it you are joking. Everyone and their loyal dugs know that this rag are PRO Rangers and always have been. JK

Any reporter, like Jim Traynor, giving an opinion that doesn't ultimately entail stripping Rangers of titles, will be treated with disdain by Celtic fans. Nothing but titles could satisfy their blood- lust. Sporting integrity has been conveniently discarded because of envy. Other sanctions are available to the Celtic led Spl panel.

I live in london an ocasionaly fork out the 50p gor it.only to find one paragraph usualy vad news on rangers.and 4 pages on septic.just shows u how bitter these chip on the shoulder celtic fans ate saying this is a gers paper.nonsense

So what your really saying op is jim trainer talks rubbish but because this one time it suits you he must be telling the truth ?? or do you just believe what and when it suits you

Never read Traynor as he just comes out with mince, Green ready to sack Ally anyone?

Not to mention Craig Whyte's 25 Million warchest or the Super casino at Ibrox etc etc etc. A real joke of a journalist.

Daily rangers anyone. Trainer never has and never will have anything good to say about celtic. You are being investigated as your EBTs resulted in side contracts not registered. That's the problem

@3 So you live in London eh! Have you not
heard yet rangers are in div.3 and Celtic are
in the premier league.What do you expect.
Does Crawley Town get more space in the London rags than Arsenal.Wise up.

17 Sep 2012 02:00:17
Seriously people ...... is Neil Lennon
gettin uglier?! or is it just ma fab new
3d tv?! ....... ach im a Bear - the guys
a godsend to us these days. LB

Lol, I am glad something gives you a wee lift,if you want a real laugh have a look at the lap top loyal piece in the Daily person,that man has no clue,sad thing is some deluded bears will swallow his guff, would not give the man a paper round, never a reporter in a million years

Check out Macsteakbake before you start on Lennon

He's still married to a darling only you can dream of having, saying that he looks evil with a skinhead.

It looks like the point you are trying to make is you got a new telly. a bit sad ..

I know all your bears like your men handsome but we are happy with women and will focus on football results

Was that 3d or d3 ??

Lenny is smiling more, which appears to be getting up your nose!

God Bless Neil Francis Lennon!

DazzaBhoy

What type of men do you find good looking??

Oh thanks for giving ma a laff guys ..... I like my men to be macho and rugged, preferabbly with a nice motor and a big fat wallet. Of course, as a female, thats not that unusual ..... and my new 3d tvs a belter lol! LB

17 Sep 2012 01:07:13
Question Bears, and anyone else
who wants to put their tuppence
worth in. If Rangers had been
demoted to 1st Div and not 3rd,
wud the "walk away stars" have
left? I think some still wud but
more wud have stayed with a view
that we wud have been back in SPL
in a year. Maybe 50-50. Agree or
disagree ..... and who do you think
wud have stayed? LB

Most had walked by the time the judgement was made. Dunno about McGreggor - maybe he'd have stayed.

Given the SFL3 performance, where would Rangers be in SFL1 just now?

Lucky to win a home game me thinks lol