Rangers Banter Archive October 17 2012

 

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17 Oct 2012 19:34:51
ED001/ED039 if it is true?? that £17m
pledged in shares, can I suggest the
first item purchased from monies raised
is a LIE DETECTOR MACHINE to be
set up in Ibrokes boardroom. lol Timalloy

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If £17m pledged I don't need to buy excellent. Better Xmas for the kids. CG will pick up the minus £4m as promised. I don't need to feel guilty.

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I like many other non rangers fans pledged an interest ...reality will be far from that as we were all pledging around the office and i bet we were not the only ones

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Ok tim alloys your the first on it .1ST QUESTION are you a gers supporter in disguise ? god the graph has shot sky high lol doug t.s.o

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Timalloy for once you have a reasonable idea there. Theres quite a few characters id like tested. Lets hope that with a share issue looming a fan appointed board member is made. CheltBlue

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17 Oct 2012 19:33:07
Ed001, the problem would appear to be the perception of guilt by association rather than the two being in cahoots . But CG would have to be very naive if he thought that he could keep this under wraps forever and he strikes me to being anything other than naive . More likely that he's trying to blank CW in a business sense and CW has just upped the ante .

Paddy Malarkey {Ed001's Note - or possibly he just wanted time to get everything up and running before people found out. Though I would say it is more likely to be your version, that Whyte was expecting something from him and has not got that. He defo seems to be playing some sort of game and looking to offload some of the blame onto others.}

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17 Oct 2012 21:25:05
So £17 mllion already pledged perfect, lets get their names etc out there Charles and show the doubter,s
the colour of the investors money. Failing that ? expect not one fan to invest becuase failing that not one fan is ever going to invest or back you at any point in the near future.
Just another worrying point, these two posts for
Imran Ahmad and Craig Mather are they to be paid positions? if so how much and for how long? If Mather puts in a million and takes out more in wages over a contracted term of years where is his investment in real terms? please tell me they are offering their services for nothing? or am i justbeing totally niave?

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I agree with both of you. The most unlikely is a conspiracy, most likely a showing of individual positioning. Whatever it is, one thing is almost sure; there's a growing gulf between them. I like green and see a future with him. I may be wrong but I will still buy shares.

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Green has been heavily critical of the previous regime (Whyte) but friendly to Murray. Whyte applying a little pressure at the key share issue moment. Green comes out saying share issue a £17m success. Telling Whyte his move didn't work?
Whyte brought Green to the party that's true. Green has subsequently got cosey with Murray. The agenda is to blame white for everything and rehabilitate Murray in the minds of Rangers fans.

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Bottom line is green wants to stabilise rangers then sell who do we all think a likely buyer will be

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17 Oct 2012 19:54:01
So Cw is saying when he took control he expected to take the club into admin,(but hoped to get us out agian) whilst adding on many millions to the tax bill through not paying tax,sounds like a great plan CW add millions to the total and hope for a cva.this guys on a different planet and should be took straight to carstairs honestly what a looney..kev

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You are right about Whyte, he thought HMRC were going to deal with the tax case before he ran out of money but after being knocked out Europe it was always his intention to enter administration. As it was the intentions of the others who tried to take control of our club including Charles Green, there was never a chance he was going to get a CVA with the terms he offered.
Bobby

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Whyte takked to admins before buys gers, and had then sitting in the box at his first mathch, only shock green not in box at time.....

murray could do all due diligence on any buyer, he happy with thesse guys as they make him look better....

poor gers

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17 Oct 2012 19:19:37
Charles green as it seems is another con artist and he expects 500 quid a share he can take a long walk off a short pier till he starts telling the truth!

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He done well so far 26,000 paid for seaeson tickets.....

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Correction 36000

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Op not £500 per share,a minimum spend of £500 share price will be between 50p to 150p or there abouts the bunnet did a similar deal where fans paid by instalments and he had it uderwritten by the coop bank

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17 Oct 2012 19:13:36
Don't why Whyte came out with this interview just now, I don't trust him and he admits he mislead the fans. I don't know if he ever met CG or, not neither of them could lie straight in bed. Whytes statements whether they are true or not could bring more strife to our club by suggesting a conflict of interest between D & P , Ticketus and CG. I hope this is not the case especially as BDO are about are due to liquidate our old club. These are very serious allegations he is making. If he is lying, why did he leave it till now? what are
his motives? Worrying times.
Bobby

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I suggest he's worried about the possibility of having his collar felt shortly. He may be trying to hint to authorities that he is willing to do a deal. By telling what he knows about Murrey, D&P, Ticketus, Zeus, (and possibly dave king) he could just about get of.

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All in all, not quite the story that my Celtic workmates was salivating over this morning. Strange that they seem so keen now to believe CW when last year every word he spoke was a lie.

BARNEY BEAR

PS Disgusted as ever with Craig Whyte, a sorry to fans and to British taxpayers for stealing NI & PAYE is obviously too much to ask for.

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Why wasn't Whyte asked where the money went from the selling of the Arsenal shares?

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Barney issue is how do you prove which bits of what cw says are lies, d&p and green can sue on any of those ...... , yet that not sueing or threatening toooo...

murray,whyte, green all playing big game for millions, and rangers fc at the heart of it, all looking for thier millions, and its your millions they taking......

rangers fc was a business worth £30 million, now how much of that value gone, and too whoom??.

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17 Oct 2012 19:00:18
"All the advisors on my side of the table knew about it, the takeover panel knew about it. It was not a secret. The only people who were perhaps misled were the media and the fans, which is regrettable with hindsight."

In January, when a newspaper reported that future season tickets had been sold to Ticketus, Whyte said: "In the most lurid terms the Daily Record accuses the club's management and specifically me of using supporters' money to help fund the buyout of Rangers. Not true."

But the 41-year-old denied lying to fans about how his takeover was funded.

He said: "I think I was asked a specific question: 'Did you mortgage the season tickets'. I said no because they weren't mortgaged.

"To be fair, with the benefit of hindsight, what I should have done when I first bought the club was be more open about the funding.

"I didn't lie but perhaps I misled people about that and it was a mistake with hindsight."

Would you buy a used car from this man?

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17 Oct 2012 18:47:03
Is it a fact now that green & his 20 million share scheme is to pay off ticketus for craig whyte?.
Green states be back in top flight football within 3 years,paying silly wages for the needs of life in sfl3 2 sfl1,
if green so sure with a transfer embargo inforce why would u not shelf plans for shares for 3 years when they prob would have more chance of a return for investors n double the worth,
Again a ring of lies,another turn in the wheel,by no means gone full circle,fans again footin the bill,

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17 Oct 2012 17:48:14
Our national game is on its knees with the worst start to a QG in my lifetime and I have seen some disasters.
Levin and SFA should be the NO1 news item the middle item and last item on the news tonight.
However we get a meeting that might or might not have taken place between Green and Whyte and other revelations from the mouth of Whyte to the head reporting dim at the BBC.
Now if that is not obsessed what the f!k is. East Bear

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As a tic man I have to agree. Wrong focus totally

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Did you watch it?

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This is the same BBC that ran a programme showing Craig Whyte for what he is and everybody told us the BBC reporting was sensational.
He admits to misleading the fans.
The man is nothing more than a wee turd.
His takeover is subject to a criminal enquiry and BDO will be looking into the acquisition. Why the interview BBC? he is old news and Why now? Did they ask him about not paying the IT and NI contributions?
poor p!sh poor.

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You were doing well till you described the presenter of the item as an obsessed head reporting dim. Even though he is a creepy little liar I would think an interview with the man who was the major factor in the demise of your club was more interesting than the plight of the national manager........DH

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3. To be fair to the TV on the radio at least Whyte was pushed into answering about stealing NI & PAYE. He claimed he didn't do it from the start but eventually couldn't pay it or he couldn't keep the club running.

No excuse I know but I thought the interview was actually decent enough. Dunno if I'm any the wiser though as nothing he says can really be believed.

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Why give this interview (CW was going to sue the BBC previously)?
Why was he not asked where all the "missing" cash had gone?
Nothing different from the previous bunch of lies. It will be interesting to see what CG has to say in response.

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17 Oct 2012 17:07:30
Hot of the a website website ....

Rangers moved a step closer to its inevitable liquidation after approval to end the oldco's administration was granted.

Administrators Duff and Phelps, who took over the running of the former SPL club on February 14, have instructed a formal application be made to place the company into liquidation in the Court of Session.

Rangers, who now ply their trade in the Scottish third division, was consigned to liquidation in June after creditors, including HMRC who are owed £94m, rejected offers of a Company Voluntary Arrangement.

That failure saw Charles Green's company Sevco Scotland step in to buy the club's assets and business for £5.5m.

Green, who is now chief executive of the club, then relaunched Rangers on the pitch while the original company, renamed RFC 2012, headed for liquidation.

In a statement Paul Clark of Duff and Phelps said: "Creditors have today given their approval for the administrators to bring the administration process to an end and to place the company into liquidation.

"As a result, we instructed our legal team to prepare the necessary application for lodging in the Court of Session as a matter of urgency.

"Should the application be approved, then Malcolm Cohen and James Bernard Stephen of BDO will be appointed liquidators of RFC 2012 plc and will undertake the process of liquidation of the 'oldco' company and the continued recovery of funds for creditors.

"This will not affect the current operations of The Rangers Football Club in any way as it is a completely separate entity."

Lugarite

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The last paragraph says it all -

"This will not affect the current operations of The Rangers Football Club in any way as it is a completely separate entity."

So it is not the same club.

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"Completely separate entity" You cant buy history.That part of Rangers is over.Look for BDO asking for a strip and badge change as they are very close to the liquidated company.Now lets move on,leave the bigotry behind,and emerge stronger and wiser.Sadly,i dont think Mr Green plays with a straight bat.AB.

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"........ And the continued recovery of funds for creditors" is very telling. Including the unwinding of sales of assets at giveaway prices? Gratuitous Alienation as they say in the trade.

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@2 You assume Rangers are wholly responsible for bigotry? Your attitude shows it will never end, sadly.

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@2 Please not the 'history' thing again.Couldn't cope with all the rubbish on here about it again.It was done to death----let's leave it alone.

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17 Oct 2012 14:13:18
So Whyte introduced Mr Green to Duff & Phelps. Did Mr Green not claim,in the early days of his buy out,that they had never met and did not know each other? Looks like somebody's plans may be unravelling,but who's?. There is every chance this BDO liquidation may prove to be a total nightmare. Mr Green buys the assets for £5.5million,now a few months later his partner is valuing it around £50million. Very strange.AB.

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Green was asked by journalists and supporter groups if he had met Whyte, his representatives or associates before putting his bid to D&P. he categorically stated NO. This is now lies and Greens position is untenable.

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@op @ 1 you could not wait to post your bile. If you had you would have had the chance to check facts or indeed counter statements that show how 1 sided the BBC are when it comes to reporting on Rangers.
Why did the reporter a well known dim not go to anyone else other than Whyte for statements -simply because balanced reporting is not allowed at BBC Scotland.
The BBC of late have shown they are not the shining light of all truths with their cover ups on tax schemes and Saville to name a couple.

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Craig Whyte claims he introduced Charles Green to Duff and Phelps.
Now all of a sudden every word Whyte says is gospal truth?

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Look at it literally as that's what Green does all the times. He may NOT have met him in person but I can bet he spoke to Whyte over the phone many times. The devil is in the detail of Green's words. Watch out. More twists coming. {Ed039's Note - green acknowledges he met Whyte in person when trying to acquire his shares" Whyte just being a sh*t stirrer if you ask me)

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One's named green one names whyte smell the sh**e

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Poster 2.Do you understand the meaning of the word bile? There was no sign of this in poster 1 statement.Again a favourite word in the ranger's fans vocabulary which is always used out of context.

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@2; Bile? People like you are the reason shysters find it so easy to screw our club.Try and have an open mind,have you learned nothing through this mess? AB.

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The BBC reporter has read out statements by Green and D&P after showing the Whyte interview at 6.30pm.
They await SDMs response.
1. Green on the Rangers FC website acknowledges he physically met Whyte and Whyte physically took Green to D&P for their initial introduction.
2. In the 8 months sale of rangers from sdm to Whyte, and the details of the sale agreement, contained issues of where funds came from and details of insolvency and new companies, etc.... Remember sdm stated on administration "what surprised me was how soon it happened"!!!!!! This tells us sdm expected it.

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Green could say whytes statement is wrong and sue him, instead he says its misleading.... yawn.

as ever more to this than meets the eye.

Whyte claims D&P conflict of interest, D&P have already reported to a Judge, so now it gets murkier...

D&P does say its untrue and will sue either.....

wow.

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17 Oct 2012 13:14:04
can someone tell me if craig levien is an earthling his nonsense is getting worse hes starting to sound like craig brown we had more corners we played better blah blah blah. we had a goal disalowed tec etc just go craig and while your at it take the great enigma that is darren fletcher with you he must be the most overrated player if all time . i think people wear blinkers with this guy he cant trap a ball he cant score or head he has no skill and he comes out and spouts nonsense. also levien take the english players with you. they are not and never will be scottish.and please no more caps for caldwell, miller, webster,or hutton.

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You're right. Craig Levein is not of this Earth. He is part of the SFA which is from a parallel universe in which everything they do or say is just peachy. If Levein or the SFA believe that last night's performance against Belgium was good then they must have been watching another game. If McGregor hadn't had a great game it would have been 6-0 at half time. It is time for Levein to do the right thing and resign. He has shown ( and not just in the 4-6-0 formation in Prague ) that he has no idea. Even Bertie Vogts was better that him!

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Craig Levein is a prat but Darren Fletcher has been at Man Utd for years and has a medal collection every Scottish player would die for, you don't get to play for Man Utd all your career unless you can play a bit

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I totally understand the heat on levein. I personally dont think he is good enough atleast one win in our group would have maybe kept the wolves from the door. However I dont think the players are playing good enough. I dont know if that his management or not. Belgium are a good team although we made them look better. I so hope that if he stays he actually goes out and attacks these teams. I havent seen a scotland team in ages take on a team from the front. None of this 1 striker rubbish. Go out and play football. To sit with a defensive structure only relies on luck. I dont mind being beaten by a better team but he has to take the game to them. Take the english players away? No. Jordan Rhodes? Kick him out?
Who would actually take over at scotland? For me its Joe Jordan.
Don

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Seen fletcher in the flesh many times following Scotland, to say he has no skill is so wide of the mark. If only the rest of our national side could pass the ball and find space as well as fletcher does. He is the only truly world class player we have!

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Number 4, depends what you class as world class. To me, world class means best 11 players in the world. Terribly overused phrase. On that basis he most certainly is not world class, in my humble opinion.

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What i take world class to mean is he could fit into any team in the world's midfield and not look out of his depth. Fletcher certainly fits that category. He's an unselfish team player. Perhaps if he took a few hissy fits and shagged a few slappers he might be appreciated more.

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Number 6 so what u r saying is that fletcher could play in any teams midfield? So u would play him in the Barcelona midfield? Who would u drop Xavi or Innestia?

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Darren Fletcher is vastly overated - only looks semi decent for Man Utd because he is surrounded by better players.

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To number 7. If you read what i had wrote, rather than extrapolating on a tangent of your own fantasy, you would understand that i did not say fletcher would replace anybody. My point is that he would not look out of place in any of the top teams. Why pick Xavi or Iniesta anyway? Would Busquets not be in your reckoning?

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Truth is United have started to play a bit since he returned. Ferguson doesn't tend to suffer mediocrity in his team, especially in the midfield.

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Im the original poster you are right number 8 fletcher opens his gob an talks a lot but he must have some sort of spell over our media and fergie i have never rated him and just ecause someone plays for man u doesnt make them great djemba djemba anyone. fletcher is massivly overated. world class my arse

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He is barely Scotland class!!!

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Number 9. The point is Fletcher wouldn't get near the Barcelona side and to be brutally honest you have made a fool of yourself suggesting he would fit into any side in the world

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He is a skinny useless lump a wood

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So fletcher plays for man utd, a team that gets to the champions league latter stages on a regular basis, and i have made a fool of myself suggesting he can cut it at that level. See the contradiction? You my friend are the fool who thinks he knows a player better than Sir Alex. To the bonehead that started the fletcher/ barca hypothetical nonsense - catch yourself on! He might struggle to get in the barca side but many world class players have the same issue. How about kaka at Madrid? Nevin, a fine pundit, said fletcher woul be the only Scot in the Belgian side. He must be a fool too.

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Fletcher wouldn't be a Celtic fan would he? lol The boy is world class and you all know it!

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Just cos a player plays for Man utd doesn't mean he is world class. I don't know any team that has 11 world class players in their starting line up. Fletcher does a certain type of job for Man utd something he hasn't done for Scotland. The person who commented on him getting a game in any team is just plain daft.

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17 Oct 2012 13:05:03
Craig Whyte claims he introduced Charles Green to Duff and Phelps.

On other news, it turns out Charles Green did not meet up with representatives of the Dallas Cowboys, it was with producers of the tv show starring Larry Hagman. They are desperate to find out how a real soap opera should be played out.

They have piloted a show based on the meetings between the two and with no sense of irony are calling it "Glasgow's Green and Whyte."

Gaz

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As BDO roll out interviews of key figures regarding the liquidation of Rangers. Whyte breaks cover to get his mitigation s out in public as damage limitation (to himself) but inflicts more damage on rangers and others.
Green was categorically asked if he had met or knew Whyte prior to contacting D&P to buy Rangers assets. He categorically said no. Now Whyte says he found Green and brought him to D&P! {Ed001's Note - knew and met are different from being introduced. I could get in touch with Richard Branson and pitch a business idea to him, but I don't know him nor have I met him. Not that it actually matters, who the hell cares who introduced him?}

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The fans care Ed001, we asked Green if he had been in contact with Whyte or his people he gave us categorical assurance NO!
How can he be our CEO when he has lied to us on an extremely important issue of trust. We hate Whyte he ruined and liquidated old rangers. {Ed001's Note - that is why he had to say no or there is no way any buy out would have stood a chance. The question you should be asking is why is Whyte speaking up? What is he getting from all this? Is he trying to help the fans out? Nothing in this whole affair has been done right, I have my doubts about Green due to his time at Sheff Utd, but, on this issue, I can see every reason for him to say no whether it was true or not.}

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Ed001. Aye right. you can understand the need to lie? I thought that to lie was a sin. Perhaps I went to the wrong school. {Ed001's Note - what has that to do with anything? Are you 5 years old or something? Because if not you should understand that sometimes you have to weigh up the damage the truth will do and decide whether it is the best course. Personally I would prefer people to be honest with me, but I can understand (which you clearly need to look up as your comprehension of the word is flawed at best) why he would feel the need to lie about any acquaintance he had with Whyte. There is a huge difference between being introduced by someone and being in cahoots with someone. Now if Whyte comes out and claims they worked together, that is different, that would be interesting. This story about him introducing a prospective buyer to the administrators is just a nothing story.}

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17 Oct 2012 13:03:24
Lochaber Bear you have just been proved one very shrewd poster as the Whyte story gets full coverage all day from the BBC including Newsnight-source BBC WEB.
However it looks like one of those it wasnae me interviews that has been given several times with different twists.
However no doubt people will pounce to make more out of it.
The timing of the interview or the publication of the interview smells just a little as every time we start to move a wee bit forward there seems that someone trys to put the brakes on and with that said it is not suprising who held the interview and who he works for.East Bear(once of Lochaber).

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East Bear did Whyte need to do the interview? Did he need to mention Charles Green at all?

Ex supposed "Rangers people" have done your club more harm than Neil Lennon, Peter Lawwell, Gary Hooper and the TV ever could. It's time all of you realised that.

Gaz

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Dont you understand the implications of this? Mr Green has claimed the first time he met Whyte has in may,in London.If this is proved to be a lie,and it has not yet been proved,then Mr Green must come out and face the fans.Seems very strange that there has been no press release from Mr Green,he is not normally so retiring to the press.AB. {Ed001's Note - hardly much of a big deal, considering the way Whyte had acted, would you own up to knowing him? It doesn't mean he is acting in concert with him or anything either way. This is the most uninteresting and irrelevant piece of 'news' in the history of footie.}

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ED001. Head. Sand. Irrelevant. I think not. HMRC knocking on door. Blatant fraud. Appointing your own administrators and introducing them to a new "buyer"?? Yes, Fraud. Trying to cheat creditors out of thier dues. All out in the open now. Goodbye Rangers, in any shape or form. {Ed001's Note - my head is not in the sand, that is such a pathetic and stupid response. You are completely clueless and have no idea if you think any of that is relevant to whether Whyte introduced Green or not. You really know nothing if you think that is fraud. This is so embarrassingly incredibly dense, the only sense shown was not to put a name to it. The court appoints administrators. Introducing them to a potential buyer is common practice, or do you think the administrators go knocking on doors to find someone to buy it? Do any of you know a thing about business?}

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Whyte has legal case against ticketus, so this warning shot across the bought of any who want to take issue with him or blame him for all and sundry.......

cant wait till bbc 18:30 and newnight formfull disclose,....

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Ed001 you jest.... most irrelevant.... if there is any link whatsoever it undermines green... why has he never said he was linked or had meetings with whyte.... {Ed001's Note - because he wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell of anyone buying a season ticket if he did. I know lots of people that are dodgy, doesn't mean I am. This is a non-story. The reason people should be worried about Green is because of how he dealt with his time as owner of Sheffield United, not who his acquaintances are.}

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ED001. Oh, yes I do know a little bit about business. Come and visit me in Frankfurt on the 23rd floor of The MesseTurm. I could teach you a lot about administration and regulation. Ever heard of Vodaphone and Mannesman? Daimler and Chrystler? {Ed001's Note - of course you do it all I am sure. Yes, yes I am sure you are the CEO or something equally laughable. Talking big online proves nothing, the content of your words proves you clearly are clueless.}

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17 Oct 2012 11:03:28
Hi first time here, it seems to me we are slowly recovering , and that is all we can ask for , but i do wonder what exactly cg is doing, if he doesnt sell the shares he says he will buy them HOWHOW.

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Lol on the week the liquidators go into ibrox and you say you're slowly recovering deluded or what!!

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Could you supply details of this recovery.You could maybe wait until years end to claim anything.

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Some recovery mate. Some recovery.
Neither a footballing recovery nor a financial recovery.

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If you think we are recovering I'd advise you to watch the Scottish news tonight.

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Dont give green a single penny. they are all in this racket together stop giving him and stop now. there will be no rangers left because of these predators.

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17 Oct 2012 01:23:12
Newcastle have just signed new shirt sponsorship and stadium naming deal with Wonga, who have kindly let them go back to it being known as St James' Park,

So will Ashley try to broker a deal with us and rename Ibrox the Sportsdirect arena , thoughts?

Amo

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Iibrox isn't an arena.

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@1 its a Uefa 5* arena RTID

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3.) @2 exactly! There are only 2 5* stadia in Scotland, Ibrox and Hampden. Breezeblock is not on the list it would seem lol. Larry

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I think I heard Hampden has been down graded to 4* , not 100% sure though , also I believe Celtic Park has issues with the changing rooms sizes otherwise it would be 5 *

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Only a celtic fan could disagree that Ibrox is classed as a 5 star stadium. Using a word they like to highlight and use far too often....................FACT!!!!!

Your own stadium is a cheap quick fix.

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No such thing as a UEFA 5* stadium. Go look. Celtic park is a fine stadium, asbestos free i believe and worth more than 5.5m maybe ? Dont matter If you play at buckinham palace its still div 3 and your team is still sh1t and skint.

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@5 It's got a 5* team ----far better than a failing Div 3 team.Who cares about stadia stars---it's the team and results that matter.Oh,and the £££ coming IN from Europe

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UEFA Elite Stadium Ratings
UEFA, european footballs governing body, categorises stadiums as being rated as category one, two, three, or as UEFA elite stadiums. These categories replaced the previous method of ranking stadiums as four or five star in 2006.

A stadium must be recognised as an elite stadium to host the final of the UEFA Champions League or the UEFA Europa League, UEFA's two elite club competitions.

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To the pedantic number 6, they are now classed as 'elite stadia, of which Ibrox is one.

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Hah hah, Celtic a 5 star team, ffs get a grip. They are the best team in a very poor competition in Scotland.

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17 Oct 2012 01:07:28
If anybody wants to know how a football club should be run google fc United of Manchester. Currently in the northern premier league (better than sfl 3) and would not let the likes of Charlie through the door. This is the way to go, not handing money to a shady character who appeared from nowhere like the pied piper of hamlin, and who is almost certainly connected to Craig whyte. Green and whyte ? There are no coincidences.

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Almost certainly connected to Whyte? Do u have proof?

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1) Asked a simple, do you have proof? If it's from a mate who overheard some bloke in a bar who's brother has a close connection to the petrol attendant at Asda Govan who overheard two blokes discussing CW whilst waiting for their petrol then I suppose you can support your statemnent! Give it a rest mate. Put up or shut up (Tim follower)

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Yet another timmy conspiracy...CG the man who saved the club at its darkest hour if he hadnt stepped in then no club, so give the guy a break and go back to your own page

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