Rangers Banter Archive June 17 2013

17 Jun 2013 22:23:39
This time last year the USP unique selling point for season tickets was the TV broadcast of Charles green promise one season ticket would get a fan a vote on one of three names for Murray park.
No votes were given and MP is still named after the worst owner in the club's history.
Can someone tell me why MP is not being renamed? And why people seem happy to have been duped and conned by Green?

Murray is our worst owner?
how so?

Why is he the worst chairman
in the clubs history?
Please don't cite the big tax
case as that went in clubs favour
billy h

The worst owner rubbish if it essentially for DM you wouldn't have had all the successes in the last years he built rangers up when crowds of about5000

Do you think you have been lied too, where are the hero, s double act smith and mccoist ther silence is deafening is that ther super power, what a shambles you are still in, do something about it it is getting a national joke, but can I ask will the rangers flags be in the England side at wembley as they have been the last few times

David holmes built up the crowds by bringing in souness who then brought in class players from england. holmes and souness started the reveloution. it was souness who brought murray to ibrox if anything. murray the great mith of rangers f. c

He (allegidly) didn't put a penny of his own money in mate! Borrowed from the bank, moved money around to keep MIH afloat, back into RFC again then repeated the process. His borrowing got too much and hence when the banks merger occurred they wanted their cash back. Sir DM then transferred his majority shareholding to none other than Craig Shyte for a £1. And don't think for a minute DM was hoodwinked by him either! He knew who he was giving the club to. So yes, DM is very much responsible for the start of the demise of RFC, and in my eyes he isn't the worst owner, but second to CW. So Billy go away and stop spouting total rubbish!

Little touch of in-fighting, oh the comedy just gets better.

#5. Well said. A lot of younger fans who go on about our history are still ignorant of the role David Holmes played in revitalizing the club.

As for Murray, the fact that he sold the club for a pound shows the state the club had sunk to under his stewardship. And claiming to have been duped by Whyte really lacks a shred of credibility. As for the Big Tax case, who's to say HMRC won't win their appeal?

And yes, I have changed my opinion of the man in recent years. At the time I wrongly thought he was the best thing that had ever happened to us.

SDM was the worst EBT beneficiary pocketing a cool £6m offshore tax free. Buying vineyards and stuff, i'm sure he had an apartment in Monaco. He took out the club huge amounts. Regardless of the answers above (out of ibrox/ Charlotte?) why isn't it renamed as promised? Are folks ok about being lied to?

Op are you seriously telling us that 38000 bears bought tickets because they thought they were getting a chance to rename a training ground, don't think so

Jg

17 Jun 2013 17:40:07
tv reporting Hearts going into administration

I wonder if they will be subjected to the bile we were subjected to.

I wonder if HMRC will accept any CVA as they do not accept CVAs from football clubs.

I wonder if there will be the utter desire for "sporting integrity" and they will suffer what we did.

I wonder if liquidation is the final outcome, as it surely will, if they are put in div three

I wonder if they will be accused of everything under the sun as we were and still are

I wonder if the local newsagents and face painters will be given the same sympathy they were last year

I wonder if tv are planning reveal all programmes on Romanov

I wonder if there will be numerous leaks from HMRC

I wonder if several sites will appear making lies and spreading rumour after rumour.

I have my doubts.

You forgot the illegal transfer embargo and the complaints made to the ASA.

Just in case anyone from the east end missed the ruling, we are still SCOTLANDS MOST SUCCESSFUL TEAM. PB

I wonder if you're paranoid, OP.

Your post has quite a venomous tone and u can't draw too many comparisons between what happened to Rangers and what may happen to Hearts. It's a sad situation for the club and any Rangers fan taking satisfaction from this is just as bad as the people who took great delight from our demise

All of the above should happen except from 1. Or is it a conspiracy and paranoia?

Administration will still see hearts play in SPL. The Rangers had no choice and knew they would be better off long term "liquidated" which resulted in applying to play in div 3.
You don't just "get put" in div 3
If hearts go down the same route then they too will have to re aply.

I wonder if a certain manager will be saying ( youl wonder where the yellow went when you brush your teeth with pepsodent ) an old tv ad from the past doug t. s. o

Your 100% right mate, scotlands top league can't afford to lose hearts, no glasgow derby then possibly no edinburgh derby. what sponser or tv company would pay for that, watch out for a cover up and rule bending to keep them up, hope rangers legal team are watching closely!

HMRC are in the minority of creditors here. 90% of hearts debt is to Romanov & Ukio bank.
HMRC are only owed £450,000. and will have little say in accepting a CVA

Mate let it go. let's leave the bitterness and hatred behind. I saw a new young breed of fans at Ibrox last year. let's not corrupt their minds. New beginings and all that my good man. Blue till I die. Proud of it.

Op here number 2 thinks I am paranoid, except everything posted is true.

3) I take no pleasure in Hearts problems at all. I believe the treatment of Rangers was completely steered by venom of other supporters. You say that comparisons can't be made, it seems to me that they are very similar. A business man that got into trouble and the fans suffer. However I don't get the feeling that they will be subjected to what we were. The tone is different especially on line and on tv. There is a sympathy for Hearts that was not there for us. Every fan in Scotland got considered except for the thousands that support Rangers. The 600 that voted at St Johnstone and the 450 at Killie were listened to, the 50,000 at Ibrox were not.

@6). Rangers legal team lol. Is there's not a cap on Legal Aid? HH Joe

Op so you think your club can f. k over scores of creditors, the people of Britain and just told everything is ok and please carry on as before?

It's welfare grabbing people like you that disgust me the most! This living on your knees attitude has destroyed your club and the waiting for a new sugar daddy to come along pushed your old club into liquidation! The fact hearts supporters tried to save their club with the best of their ability was commendable and for that I hope they succeed! But your supposed huge worldwide support only raised £600k wow that is huge! Only people to blame for rangers death ins people like you! You certainly sound very bitter and people like you shouldn't be allowed near any football club!

18 Jun 2013 06:33:07
I wonder if the skewed and partial history set out by OP will ever become widely believable? Or if we bears will ever accept what really happened. Any set of facts like this that doesn't mention role of sdm is not worth reading.

Realist Bear with Accurate Memory

@9 but 88 Bears took £50m out of ibrox in tax-avoiding EBT scandal and whole of media knew about it and would not print.

No such scale of scandal at Hearts.

Rangers founds guilty on many cases.

@5/ you need to see a medical person mate. Why bring lennon into this? Not posted for weeks then bring lennon into a thread that has nothing to do with him. Now that's obsession.

@9/ Are you really that twisted that you don't see the facts? Whyte, therefore Rangers, deliberately withheld social taxes and private contract payments. Rangers were still racking up debt when they knew administration was inevitable.

18 Jun 2013 12:05:25
@9 / op You're being a tad silly if you don't mind me saying so, why would our fans have had a vote? The issue was whether our newco should be allowed straight into the spl or div1. We weren't a member of spl so couldn't vote on that. Simple. Tough to take for us fans, but there's no need for conspiracy theories about it in my view. I doubt that the spl will call a similar vote if hearts form a newco, so if that happens hindsight will even show we were treated favourably! I know, cue the allegations of traitor/hater/timmy (delete as per preference. ) But i'm just an honest bear who can take knocks on the chin and don't see the value in inventing reasons to be bitter.

Get facts right hearts have paid the tax bill

@16 the vote was wether to transfer the spl share to the new holding company, if a new holding company takes over hearts and apply for the share to be transferred then it should go to a vote again

Jg

17 Jun 2013 11:38:37
Is there no way the fans cannot withold their season ticket but still pledge it but only if this Prior guy gets a seat on the board? He talks sense, would probably mean some hadship asw he cuts costs and may take a bit longer to get back to the very top but in sustainable way. Could also look at ways of recompensing oldco debtors in some way.

Foxy

Foxy, if you don't want to buy a ST, don't buy one, don't be a sheep. And what exactly do you know about Prior? The only thing I can figure about him is that he tells wee porkies!

17 Jun 2013 11:30:48
Why are people so happy about all these players coming in. Its just more and more money in wages. I would rather see players we have already costing us wages for doing f'all going out. We are a second division and we have to live within our means.
Don

Our means are dictated in part by the fans, based on last season we have SPL levels of attendance, infact based on last season we have more than SPL levels so just because we are in the 2nd division does not mean we have to be at a par with Airdrie and Stenhousemuir

We are expected, by us the fans, to romp every game, win the league and Ramsdens Cup (is this still a thing?) and do a fair bit in either/both cups

If that doesn't happen then inevitably we get the usual muppets screaming for Ally's head

We are building a squad to get back to the top, there's not a single other team in the country that can say that

17 Jun 2013 01:23:41
I wasn't going to renew my two season tickets, I attended three games last year due to a few months illness but the real reason was that it was utter rubbish. It was bordering on the unwatchable.

I swore that I was not going back. The envelopes ( a real gripe of mine - why two envelopes, with two stamps) arrived last Monday, I opened the envelopes, I got out my cheque book and off went my £472. Posted an hour after they arrived. Why?

I can't desert them, I truely can't do it. I am appalled at what the spivs and con men have done to my club with their only interest being, how much can I take from this.

Real fans don't desert their team in their hour of need. I can't believe I am saying this but I can't wait until the new season, I am looking forward to seeing some new blood. I can only hope that it will be much better than last year. Even if it is not, muggins will be here, signing my cheque.

Spoken from the heart will said mate.

Ill keep it simple a true Gers fan and we don't do walking away.

Well done mate, think we all have went through all those emotions!

Why buy pay at the gate for me still not seen the deeds or any info regarding how much for blackthorn/stadium naming/puma deals still no questions being asked

17 Jun 2013 18:56:38
True fans do what is best for their club. If you want to give cash to spivs nae probs but don't pretend you're some sorta super fan by claiming fans that the folks who buy STs are the real fans.

Believe me not renewing an ST is a tough decision but unless I'm convinced I'll be paying at the gate.

I was thinking the same as op but yes I did the same renewed both my st I can't say enjoyed the football played last season but the club needs my money right now the signings so far have been decent and i'm sure or I hope the standard will be better its ok saying pay at the gate but it would end up going to a few games against the better teams if you can say that about div 2 so the income of the club would go down then if and when we get back into spl do I then just renew my st while others have put money in to get us there no for me i'm in for the long hall bit like getting married it in sickness and health right now we are sick but its curable

The attidude and feelings of the poster, is what these guy play on exploit, I don't understand why you put the st money in their control, paying at the gate is the only way.