Rangers Banter Archive July 17 2012

17 Jul 2012 22:09:52
Ive now had enough! Spl and sfa vindictive to the extreme. Rangers should make moves for not playing at all this season (looking more likely anyway) and leave these idiots to ruin scottish football.

Vindictive?Are you joking? Vindictive would be applying the rules for a new club and leaving you without a league.

We are in a no-win situation, catch22. We're dead and buried if we accept the 'punishments', or we don't agree to them, get no licence which means no footie for at least one year...we will go bankrupt again. The SFA are no doubt smarting over the fact they didn't get their way with SFL1 and have decided to kill us off altogether. They know what the sanctions will do to us - the sanctions would be severe for a solvent SPL team never mind us. Unfortunately the Rangers haters will be on here frothing at the mouth demanding our punishment happily knowing it would be the end for us. Yes our club was mis-managed but should we be killed off for it?

17 Jul 2012 21:40:56
WOW. It's time the whole of Scotland realized that Charles Green is there for the money and the money only. To have picked up all the assets (100 million plus for only 5million) is incredible. He is obviously going to strip out what he can!
Is he trying to get SFA and UEFA to refuse us entry to SFA while blaming it on others and then plead innocence and no chouce while selling off Murray Park,Albion and believe it or not Ibrox (Arsenal retained their listed build status and converted it into flats while retaining the facade). Meantime we can only stand by helpless while this happens!!! A Craig Whyte pawn(or Ticketus?) And what about David Murray? Valued at 700 million plus a few years ago why has he gone quiet. Are they all (Murray/Whyte and C green) in it together? I would suggest that as was the case in Whyte's involvement there is an underhand plan to rip the heart out of RFC and it's people and disappear off into the sunset! Do we have a Robert Maxwell in disguise?

If he pulls us back from the brink, gets us on our feet again and then walks with a few million in his back pocket will anyone have an issue with that, dont remember any outcry when a wee man wi a bunnet did exactly the same thing

JG

Quite right JG it is time we gave this guy support, he's the only show in town. He has done everything he said he would. I am sure he did not expect finding the club in div three, and he has not given any indication that he wants out.
We are frightened after CW but until he mucks up lets give him a chance.

17 Jul 2012 20:33:18
speaking to a close friend of mccoists today. we are finished. we will cease to exist. we have no money. we will still be given sanctions in third division. worryingly this is from a reliable source. we will not have a team to support at all this season {Ed039's Note - So can you not name this person then. Another nameless poster)

What is going on do these people want to kill off the scottish game get gers into div 3 and let us get on our way to getting back to spl, fine us if you want but let us get players at least give us a chance to play football , big baz

Ed is obviously right toask for the source, but I can actually see this being accurate. The rules/precedents have been followed to the letter and it looks like SFA are going to do the same with transfer of membership, which makes it difficult to see how you're team can survive. The options as I see it are: 1. transfer membership, liable for previous&future sanctions - essentially crippled with massive overheads. Plus side history retained. 2. Submit an applicaion for new sfa memebership. Get knocked back because you don't satisfy the criteria in the existing rules(again, keeping with theme of every rule being followed to the letter) and the 3rd division will probably run for a year as it likely too late to process potential applications.. you'll be no better off next year as you still can't apply as won't meet the criteria. 3. Buy another club and merge with their support. Downside - official history is gone, but you could potentially start life in a higher league...

I'd put money on option 3...

Don't envy you guys the way this is playing out... {Ed039's Note - You see thats what I like to see, backing things up with statements like that instead of my pal is a pal or snowy the bloody dug told me. Sorry Snowy)

Play football the rangers way ....you know where that got you

Praising a United fan Ed, Steady! You'll get yer jotters :) {Ed039's Note - lol)

McCoist said the same thing at a lunch in Clydebank two weeks ago. HM was in attendance but he didnt say it to her...too busy staying out of her road I think in case she wanted her dosh.

17 Jul 2012 19:18:58
Just viewed the Giovanni di Stefanno video on you tube. Very interesting any thought's fellow bears

Very interesting you give this guy any credence at all. {Ed039's Note - My sentiments exactly)

Interesting...dont know if he's actually sane or not tho. he seems to be widely ignored tho? interesting all the same

17 Jul 2012 19:08:50
charles green should not sack ally mccoist for his outburst demanding names of people , on the committe who placed a quite reasonable sanction on rangers , who the hell is he anyway , we were 15 points ahead of celtic at one point and by the time we go docked 10 points the league was over , can we honestly say he is the man for the hardest job any rangers manager will ever have . let us remember that walter smith even advised him to stay away from it , and that was when we were at the top lets get a seasoned campaigner in and get us back to where we belong

Ally mccoist is a true rangers man ,how the hell can anyone talk about sacking him? he is passionate about the club.emotions come in,The man cares about your great club,CHARLES GREEN think yourself lucky you have a man like him as manager .still wear my scarf from 80s OWLS on one side RANGERS on tother proud of both clubs ps as a young lad lived in paisley so feel for you boys.

17 Jul 2012 18:26:10
Neil Doncaster on flight from London to Glasgow, must be negotiating Sky deal lol

17 Jul 2012 16:59:45
Rangers have asked for an arbitration panel to rule on the departure of several players who refused to transfer over to the new company.

The statement read: "At the request of one of the parties in dispute, the Scottish FA, through its articles, can convene an arbitration panel, with either side selecting from a list of Panel members, with the two appointees subsequently selecting a Chair of the panel.

"Rangers FC have made such a request to the Scottish FA."

17 Jul 2012 16:33:24
Charles Green will have to come clean about who actually owns Newco Rangers if they are to play any football at all next term.

The SFA are demanding more information on the shadowy investors behind the new company and will not grant registration until there is full disclosure of all those involved.

After the Craig Whyte fiasco, the SFA now want to know the identities of everyone investing in Sevco Scotland Limited and their financial histories before they will grant membership of their association.

Of particular interest are the faceless men behind Blue Pitch Holdings who are the biggest investors in Sevco with 23 per cent of the new company.

The SFA will then check to see that there are no financial irregularities like those later exposed in the Whyte takeover last year and will search for evidence of any money laundering or other scams.

Source: Mirror

17 Jul 2012 16:22:45
If using EBTs is cheating and I emphasis supposedly it is the use of them that is cheating, then will Celtic fans accept 3-0 losses for every game where they were using them? Therefore putting you in Divison 1 by relegation?

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The EBT with juninho was cancelled after some one inside celtic spotted it could cause trouble, the tax was then payed back.

I actually feel quite sorry for the poster how sad & desperate are they going on about this again.
Yous should by trying to sue the a**E of D Murray for what he has done to yous I honestly feel there must be a case there somewhere.
The fans of your club did not deserve what he inflicted on yous and the club (including whyte)

Celtic were happy to pay the EBT in that case until it became clear they could be a concern. The fact Celtic paid backdated tax and NI on it shows it was, what's the word again? illegal.
It is there and is part of your history as are the officials of CFC who put money into Tax Avoidance schemes, which were hammered by the HMRC, Innovator One and other Technology Investment Schemes.

@1 probably about as sad and desperate as someone who wants titles taken away from us and awarded to their club to make up the numbers and try and catch us up
about as deperate as someone who wants their main opponents put out the game to help them win more titles

JG

JG

The man who insisted celtic stopped the ebt for juninho and pay back all taxes was brian quinn, formerly bank of england . he knew what he was talking about.. shamrock

17 Jul 2012 14:14:00
Since February 14th, though they were not all apparent at that time, Rangers have had four big problems to deal with. Administration, the big tax case, the disrepute charge from the SFA and the SPL investigation into double contracts.

Administration: For all the twists and turns and sideshows the reality to date is that it has followed its inevitable conclusion. Forget Ng, Miller, the Blue Knights, Kennedy, none of them would have put up enough cash to pass the CVA. As I've said before in here, perhaps only a different strategy from Duff and Phelps (ie selling players) could have changed that. With regards the division Rangers were to play in. Take off whatever tinted glasses you wear, blue, green, whatever colour reflects your allegiances, division three was inevitable despite, Regan and Doncaster's efforts. We didn't have to look far for precedents that could lead us to that conclusion, Livingston and Gretna had already been led down that path. Administration to failed CVA to liquidation to division 3. Like the dreadful TV show The Tipping Point, for all the left and right turns eventually the coin is going to reach the bottom, it's natural end point.

The Big Tax Case: Given the liquidation of Rangers it is hard to imagine any further ramifications from it. I don't know where the law stands on it being presented after Rangers leave administration but I'd be surprised if the liabilities were seen as a new creditor for the current owners. So problems one and two seem pretty much over.

The disrepute charge from the SFA: Like it or not the transfer embargo sanction was a compromise. Bear in mind their wording "only match fixing was worse". As far as I'm aware they could have fined Rangers £1million in total for this. The club had no money, it would have been a totally pointless sanction. They made it £160,000 As far as I'm aware it sits there unpaid with every other creditors bill. I don't for one minute think they fancy the Scottish Cup ban sanction, it is detrimental to the SFA, to other clubs and even a Rangers fan vehemently opposed to further sanctions must realise that generating income has to be Rangers main priority for the next few years, whether it benefits others or not. Again we are sliding down a chain of events with momentum that has only very few options available. Nobody wants Rangers expelled or suspended, it makes every attempt to keep Rangers in division 1 all the more pointless. Regan did not essentially jeopardise his own job and position of strength to boot Rangers out altogether at the first possible moment. Therefore the original sanction, (bear in mind it is only illegal if Rangers take it to court, Lord Glennie said as much.) the transfer embargo, is a certainty to be the SFA's sanction. While it has more significance now given the number of players having left Rangers, it has to be acknowledged that the original sanction was with the SPL in mind. I don't see the bookies drastically changing their odds on Rangers winning Division 3 with the existing squad. Wallace, Alexander and several others will be comfortably the best player's in their positions in that league.

SPL investigation into double contracts: If all of the above prove one thing it is that for all the insane twists in this story, the belated entry of Smith or Brown, Ticketus, most recently Giovanni de Stefano, eventually, at some point, the problem has got to its natural conclusion: Admin will lead to division 3 after a failed CVA. Tax case liabilities cant be imposed on a club already in administration and liquidated. The player embargo probably will stand as Rangers cant be asked to pay substantial financial penalties and certainly wont be expelled or suspended. It is the eventual inevitability of all these that leaves the fourth problem as a decidedly worrying one for Rangers.

To date the SPL has described their investigation as having "Prima Facie" evidence. Below is its dictionary definition:

prima facie denotes evidence that – unless rebutted – would be sufficient to prove a particular proposition or fact.

"This doesn't look good, can you justify it?" Being a layman interpretation of it.

Lets look at it in detail, bearing in mind that for one player playing in one game as an ineligible player Spartans were booted out of last season's Scottish Cup.

Sixty three players at Ibrox had double contracts, say on average seven a season, though I wouldn't rule out the possibility of entire team's having them in some cases. They were generally first team players needless to say. By that reckoning and on an average of say 35-40 appearances a season, we may well be talking of over 3,000 individual cases of ineligibility. Three thousand! It is a staggering number. Lets look at the judge and jury in this, the SPL teams, short of Ross County every single club in the division has dropped points to Rangers in that time. At the top Celtic have perhaps lost titles, below which clubs may have lost out on European football or a top six finish. At the bottom end at least three of the clubs have been relegated, only to be promoted again later. All eleven of them have an axe to grind here. But unlike Rangers league positioning there is absolutely no personal financial ramifications for the clubs here. There will only be one target for their sanction. League Titles. And here comes the trickle down inevitability to it. The SFA have described this as "currently a SPL issue". "Currently." It wont stop with leagues, it will at some point become an SFA issue with further stripping of domestic cups I would imagine. And then comes the biggie, there is no way clubs knocked out of Europe by Rangers wont seek retribution, already several have made noises regards this. UEFA will inevitably get involved choosing whatever sanction they see fit.

It will twist, it will turn, there will be further bizarre stories to occupy our attention throughout this long process but at some point like every other problem Rangers have encountered since February it will get to it's inevitable conclusion.

Gaz

OP. Point proven re weirdo's and idiots of the day. You must have a sad life if thats all you've got to do. Away back to your own page and spout your nonsense.

What was the problem with dual contracts? nobody has asked this question. and no, the answer isnt that is wasnt allowed by the SFA, in that case, why wanst it allowed?

What was the problem with dual contracts?

The problem is that all payments to pro footballers must be clear and above board. So wages and win, goal, attendnace bonasus decalred to SFA are fine. When the player recieves dodgey back handers then waht are they for? conceding free kicks or throwings, getting sent off, who knows. If the payment is not registered in the contract then it could be for match fixing or betting. And it does not matter if the payment is from the club or from wayne rooney's dad. Thats why side contract are not allowed. Rangers knew they were not allowed and why but still went ahead with using them (allegedly).

@2 The SFA need copies of all player contracts as per their Articles that all clubs signed up to - simple.

To comply with EBT HMRC rules in respect of the EBT "loans" the players did not have to pay tax as long as the loan was a loan and not part of their salary package. 63 agents/players insisted in having side contracts to confirm their entitlement to the EBT loans as part of their salary. Those side contracts were not revealed to HMRC to avoid having to pay employer tax and NI and a copy was not registered with the SFA/SPL in case HMRC checked.

SPL external lawyers have investigated and confirmed that they have found evidence of double/side contracts and penalties to follow.

HMRC were successful in proving Rangers' use of the EBT scheme was tax avoidance. Rangers are awaiting the outcome of an appeal against that original decision.

@1) Define nonsense, give me one example of nonsense in it? Or am I faced with the usual "it suggests bad things for Rangers therefore I must disagree?" Live in denial mate I bet you never saw division 3 coming in a million years.
@2) SFA rules explicitly dictate that all payments to players (their contract) should be presented to get a player his registration. A second contract with a further payment (loan in this case) contravenes that. I have no judicial understanding of why it wasn't allowed, point is however, it ISN'T allowed, end of story. Moan about the rule when it's set, not when it's broken.
Gaz

..You can hope Gaz...but in the end you will still be wrong on most of your observations...got to be said its a mystery to me why even after winning their first title in four years all celtic fans want to do is talk about rangers....gies a break bhoys fur feksake.

@6) This isn't hope or nothing, anything I've said in here has been pragmatic, praising Ally some months back for his endless tasks within the club etc. I think he crossed the line regards the panel but that aside he done a great job from February onwards and I said so in here. Wishful thinking or not, which it isn't, I don't think there is much I said that is far fetched. I was at Old Trafford December 12th 1984 (Celtic v Rapid Vienna replay after some clowns threw bottles onto the pitch at Parkhead.) I saw first hand how the actions of a few impacted heavily on the majority. Rapid went onto the final after that 1-0 victory, a place v Everton that could well have been Celtic's. Another example being the idiot that slapped Dida the AC Milan goalie, not one Celtic fan could truly celebrate that great victory due to concerns over that clown's actions and what UEFA would do in response. In the big scale of things they don't remotely compare to the suffering of Rangers fans now but surely some degree of realism has to be embraced by Rangers fans regards the perils that await. It's fair enough disagreeing with me on interpretation/prediction with a legitimate counter argument but disagreeing for the sake that it predicts "Rangers bad news" is no argument at all.
Gaz

Gies a break bhoys the same break you gave us and every one else when you were winning leagues galore with money you didnt have.you were wollowing in the demise of celtic when we were rock bottom and please dont deny it, if the present was reversed you would be doing the same .fact

Honestly Gaz get a life, yer boring everyone on here. Clubs knocked out of Europe in years gone by coming after us. Your proof is where? Loads of European clubs have went bust or been convicted of match fixing etc and nobody from other European leagues gave a sh**e. Stay aff the buckie son yer making a tool of yourself!

Oh aye Gaz P.S. Away back to your own page and stay there. Start obsessing over your own team for a change ya donk.

My question, what was wrong with dual contracts has not been answered. on one hand one guy reckons it was back handers and match fixing etc, total rubbish to be honest and no substantiation in this, and on the other hand it is being claimed it is related to EBT's which HMRC are have been proved successful in proving the gers were wrong, again totally incorrect, no verdict as yet. So back to the original post, what was wrong with it. Legal depts struggling to make their mind up on this one but either wishful thinking anti-gers fans or the totally inept SFA appear to be clear on it.

My advise to the gers hierarchy is to accept what is put in front of them and just get on with getting us back to our rightful place at the top of the pile. These other anti-gers fans will be gutted when it happens.

@ 9) The match fixing you infer were domestic games, Italy, Greece, Turkey I presume, of course no other countries teams need get involved in that.
@ 10) Ahhh the perfect head burying reply. Enjoy East Stirling, what? You hadn't heard?
Gaz

One guy reckons it was back handers and match fixing etc.

No read what's said. They are banned to prevent match fixing. In the past secondary payments were made to players and there was suspicion of match fixing. It was impossible to prove what the payments were for. To prevent this all payment must be in accordance with contracts lodged with the football authorities.

@4 spl external lawyers harper mcleod also celtic lawyers say at first sight rangers have a case to answer, they are lawyers not judge and jury.i'm sure the sfa EXTERNAL LAWYERS will be challenged to prove without doubt that the ebts were part of a contract,this may drag on as long as the fttt, seven months and hmrc lawyers have still not concluded their findings

17 Jul 2012 13:23:24
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Omg this site is indeed frequented by a hell of a lot of saints.

Which translates as "we haven't got one solitary justification for our club's behaviour, please stop pointing that out." Is that about the gist of it?

I think my comment has went way over your head. What I was pointing out is we have been criticised and lambasted by absolutely everyone.which leads me onto my next quote, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Guess that went over your head as well. WATP

1) again, you have been lambasted and criticised I agree. It doesn't make those criticisms inaccurate nor fiction. The whole list of transgressions here far exceeds any other club's minor dalliance in any particular rule breaking. So sure some teams cant point a finger regards X and how dare others criticise for Y but clubs like Clyde who have been the cornerstone of logic and fairmindedness throughout can surely be critical. Some of these clubs don't frequent glass houses, whether it has a marble staircase or not.

17 Jul 2012 12:19:02
I can't be alone in thinking that if OldCo sanctions are imposed on NewCo and this incontrovertibly preserves our history, then even if, for example, a transfer ban consigned us to Div 3 for an extra season, this will be worth it. (Assuming the fans pull together and make every home game a 'SellOutSaturday')

Am I alone? Just accept the sanctions Charles so we can move on as Rangers, not some imitation...

Sanctions don't mean Sky, BBC, STV reporters etc, radio, newspapers, FIFA, UEFA, SFA, SPL, SFL , etc etc,... Will recognise and talk about the same history.
Sometimes it's like trying to rationalise with a rabbit or guinea pig.

The history went when the debt was cleared like it or lump it it is gone ,when a ball is kicked for the first time by the rangers history will start ,is that clear ;ed this is your job to tell them this ; the new co will never go forward if peaple dont accept the truth {Ed052's Note - But then i would be telling lies

@2 nice one ed, but if its true what #2 is saying and the debt was CLEAREDwhy are we being liquidated lol {Ed052's Note - lol.

Let's accept the transfer embargo and get on with things, i.e sign as many promising young players as possible and win Division 3, a league of a very poor standard where we'll be huge odds-on favourites to win with or without any embargo.

RFFF & Duff and Phelps were moronic in the extreme for even launching the court appeal knowing FIFA/UEFA's line on that kind of thing. And if we are suspended for a year which could kill our club stone dead then it's the likes of Sandy Jardine who will be joining Murray & Whyte as the men responsible for the death of Rangers!

Sandy Jardine? Give us peace.SFA making up rules to suit themselves.Could have have banned us from cup but no that would have reduced their income.Hope you never receive a speeding ticket and instead of standard £60 fine you get a year in the nick but according to your reckoning that would be ok.

17 Jul 2012 11:28:34
Can Rangers now sell there own TVrights
Like thru Rangers TV on internet?
Gazza72

Who to? No broadcaster wants to show D3 football

Aye but they will show rangers games.don,t forget we,re still the biggest club in this poxy country.

@2 dream on. Worldwide rights to show a league games against Annan - aye right!

I believe there would be a buyer interested in selling the 'come back' if you like. Particularly if we get out the 3rd at the first attempt.

However at the moment things dont look good for getting a team on the pitch.

GDog
RTID

@1 to rangers fans round the world,set up their own broadcasting company,£2 a game, money to be made

@2) and who would we watch muppet? A dire squad of kids and old has beens? Not a viewable product, it's supposed to be about a high standard of entertainment. You seem to think its about possibly getting together to chant.

@5 dream world - who puts up the capital, can't be done with a camcorder FFS. One thing that's come out of all this crap in past 5 months is that Rangers fans don't walk away, but they also don't put their hands in their pockets (RFFF, Bomber, share issue)

@4 More chance of selling Bobby comes back in Dallas VHS tape.

@6 ahigh standard of entertainment,you been to many spl games over the past few years pmsl

@9 You not in SPL, it's upmarket Sunday league fitba from now on, not paying to see that.

I think there would be an audience for that. Only Queens Park will be able to hold anything like a big crowd and bears will want to see an away game. Am sure the clubs in the 3rd would be up for it.
Anyway heard on Talksport this am the SPL ESPN/SKY deal wasn't even signed and still isn't! Not even in principle!
Looks like camcorders all round then and Lennon can have his own for when he runs onto the pitch to interview the ref!

@10. The SPL is dross without the Old Firm. Stick to the EPL for decent footie.

Id definately watch, and happily pay. CheltBlue

@5 i have been buying all our games on RTV for the last two seasons at 6 quid a game while being at work abroad, it was what my weekend was all about. i would have and still would, happily pay more just to see the gers even if it is for div 3 games, i just want to see us play again and make my contribution every week when i cant be at the game

JG {Ed039's Note - In the UK you could watch full coverage but it wasnt live)

17 Jul 2012 10:38:45
Couple of things to say…
The history argument is still going on. Football is more than money. It is a game for the fans to follow so you cannot wipe out history. Since it cannot be changed why fans would accept that the club they watched achieve success is any different because some guy in a suit was bad. A fan is not loyal to a chairman or a board or even a manager and players. Real fans watch these people come and go, some failing and some prospering. Their loyalty is with the soul of the football club and not some brand.
Wimbledon AFC won the FA Cup despite not technically existing at the time. Unless you think MK Dons have some right to it? Wimbledon were shafted by money men and the fans left and took the clubs soul with them. Fans should not be slaves to the money men no more than they should be slaves to the ex-players who have spotted an opportunity.
The concept of committing to a season ticket does not make you a better fan; it probably just means you’re wealthier. Renewing should not be about commitment to a cause it should be because you trust what Charles Green is doing. This man could yet take in all season ticket money and then send the club right back into administration and attempt to sell off the assets and the only way you can safe guard against that as a fan is take it step by step. I mean you don’t meet a girl and get married the next day, you check if you fit first over a months and years. That said Green might just be the one.
Lastly this may be an opportunity for decent Rangers fans to cut loose some of the muck that has stuck to your clubs soul so if you are sitting in Ibrox and its only half full then maybe the people who are not in attendance shouldn’t really be missed by the real fans, just missed by the money men because sadly the money men value these fans as much as the real football fans.
P.S. If Rangers are found to have cheated to win titles then they should be stripped and the real fans won’t miss them.
P.P.S This whole scenario may not be a punishment but the fans who have done nothing wrong who this is hurting feel punished.

17 Jul 2012 10:46:44
If the SPL is such an attractive, high standard, powerbase of football why are the other European Leagues not following the SPL setup of the split after 33 games or whenever it is, of the season? Why haven't Stewart Regan and Neil Doncaster been headhunted for top Football positions? Why haven't Scotland qualified for a major tourney since the SPL was established? Why hasn't Scotland been chosen to host a major competition? cos we're a backwater footballing country.

No, because over the past 20 years we diluted our young football talent by using EBTs to bring in foreign players we couldn't afford.

@ 1

For God sake change the record son, you bitter bitter little man.

GDog
RTID

@2 Exactly, EBT's have only been i use from 2001-02 season

17 Jul 2012 09:49:14
does anyone know what the crackpot di stefano is on about? same goes for the bombers bid?
i dont see cg selling, but why on earth are di stefano n bomber still making noise and causing confusion?

Ever heard the phrase idiots do idiotic things

17 Jul 2012 08:24:42
Just seen CG on Sky saying that he is off to see UEFA regarding getting assistance in meeting debts to other clubs. Reckoned to be about 3 mill. The man is certainly trying hard to keep Newco afloat but it would appear that he is short of cash to do so. Could the SFA step in and offer CG an interest free loan ?

No point talking to UEFA, this falls into FIFA's jurisdiction. Would be better talking to them and/or clubs direct.

Going to be a difficult conversation with the likes of Rapid Vienna when you say you are skint and either need the debt reduced or delayed when you have just received a chunk of cash from Everton you aren't passing on.

Sorry but SFA will not give us a loan, every club would want one. If banks will not give us funding we are not going to survive.

A loan?

what about his £30m of investors...get real.

So you want other clubs to subsidise you in the form of an interest free loan ? No problem Sir, lets just do a quick credit check here....
Oh, computer says "no".

17 Jul 2012 05:41:41
all the talk about enough punishment and appealing decisions makes me laugh , we as a club old or new caused all this fu ckin s**t and dragged scottish football through the mud not the other way . lets just take our punishment andtry to get on with it . ffs a transfer embargo so what we can still sign youngsters and a team with our reputation can gather the cream of youngsters from scottish teams very easy ,get a grip everyone dont you want to get it up them on the park

17 Jul 2012 04:50:30
If new club The Rangers manage to cobble a team together, get a license and play in the third div for a complete year, if they come last where do they get relegated to?

Wish everybody would stop the The Rangers nonsense - the football team are called Rangers ..... Always were and always will be

17 Jul 2012 00:42:29
mark my work green or his backers do not have the funds to run rangers thats why he is willing to accept transfer ban so he doesnt have to spend a penny on transfers then he has an excuse for not spending and the deeds for rangers assets are not ownned by green if this was the case he would just show them and put this matter to bed but no he isint he is leading us up the gardening path so i urge all rangers fans not to renew tickets till we see the proof of funding and assets

What the hey does not renewing a season ticket prove ? Back the club and let's see 40,000 min for every home game. We'll be the story of the year in Scottish football and it'll be for all the right reasons too. VHSS

Fk div3, I'm supporting my local team in the SPL. Motherwell under Stuart mccoll has done very well. The team needs cash, I need SPL fitba and I'll even get some Europe. Fans are taking over the club and I might be interested in that if my mates let a reformed bluenose in lol.

To the new motherwell man...you go and support them as your not wanted and it is clowns like you we want to flush out anyway...byebye...

Tam-Sir 1873 Shocked to read this to be honest...

And your meant to be a rangers supporter, I don't get it. Disgusting.
Alexmci

A true blue would not run to another team keep walking you won't be missed

Guys anybody can write anything on here saying he supports any other team. who's to say he's not a motherwell fan anyway just trying to make rfc fans look like we walk away? wait for the responses?...mark.

17 Jul 2012 00:38:59
what a total shambles....
looks like the sfa have rangers by the short n curlies,
we either accept a transfer embargo,pay off our dues and a fine or we don't get a licence....simple as that
on top of that we are run by a chairman and company who nobody trusts

17 Jul 2012 00:03:56
What happens if we don't win 3rd division due to transfer ban? And we only have youngsters playing for us. That means another year in the 3rd can we afford that? What do you think