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17 Feb 2020 22:25:39
Ed forget last post
Never knew about the discussion link - thought everything posted was on banter page - and just realised now it's on discussion thread
1st time I've even clicked it
So apologies mate.
{Ed001's Note - no worries, I was wondering as I couldn't see anything missing. Easy done.}
17 Feb 2020 20:16:10
Well its nearly time to see if my Euro football theory holds any water. I predict win loose or Draw Thur night our levels will rise and I hope we continue with that level into the weekend. Our last high level game was Celtic at the end of Dec and after that we've played pretty low level teams TashKent, Stranrar and then St Mirren, that's not going to get us back to our best. I think our levels subconsciously dropped off and with it our competitive edge. Perhaps instead of a winter break and training in Dubia we should have a mini tournament with some decent teams, somewhere warmish where you can guarantee a big crowd and poss TV. No other way to keep that edge, friendlies with a poor team in front of 2000 fans just doesn't do it.
17 Feb 2020 21:10:08
Maybe the players performance levels have dropped so far and for so long, subconsciously they may not be able to rediscover the early - mid season form. Has anyone seen any signs of improvement? I know I haven't.
18 Feb 2020 10:38:56
Or maybe just let the players rest up with double training sessions.
17 Feb 2020 19:39:45
Winning our league gets you a deep fried mars bar and a bottle of original irn bru.
17 Feb 2020 20:14:11
Are you on the laughing water?
18 Feb 2020 10:15:22
Is it irn bru 1901? If it is keep it, its bogging,! can't whack a deep fried Mars bar tho š.
17 Feb 2020 18:40:37
i see conflicting opinions here on the winter break situation, Until quite recently we seemed to manage and survive without a break at all, and when some games were postponed due to weather, we also seemed to be able to play catch up quite well. When I say WE, I mean everyone involved in Scottish football and not just the Gers.
Any constructive comments and opinions would be welcome. Please NO abuse, this is only a personal opinion, that's all.
17 Feb 2020 18:54:11
just my opinion again ritche but I believe the bad winter weather is getting worse year on year so think some sort af adjustment is needed to make it better for Scottish football.
The talk of no UK winter football has not been spoken about for a while.
17 Feb 2020 19:22:27
bluebilly, you're right of course about the weather. Perhaps changing our season completely could be the answer, there are some European leagues that have a different season and it seems to work ok, I'm just not convinced. We played in some awful places including Ibrox way back in the 50's but football back then was a totally different game, nowadays it's more technical and skilful, played more on the ground passing tyoe of game. So the pitches have to be better than ploughed fields.
17 Feb 2020 21:39:07
I wasn't around in the 50s Ritchie but my dad says they had footballs that looked like and landed like clootie dumplings and says teams are now a bunch of overpaid mollycodled jessies .
(he still is same as me a diehard Rangers supporter tho) .
He has loads o real pictures o Morton / Young / Gillies / and loads more players from that era.
He doesn't go to the games now during the winter he has dodgy joint problems. (no the present day joints I hasten to add) although they would prob help him, ha ha .
Have a great night mate
Cheers.
18 Feb 2020 12:35:07
great post bluebilly, hope your dad is keeping well, yes with a good coating of mud, the ball back then was almost like one of those things usually attached to a long chain lol The players nowadays ARE softer but more skilled although the team spirit was better back in the day because pretty much all the players came from working class old fashioned Scottish families, whereas now it's like a muli national get together with some players that don't even understand what their team mates are saying lol, anyway let's keep the faith, if we can't catch them this season I am 100% certain they won't get 10 in a row!
18 Feb 2020 13:33:51
Bluebilly, maybe yer da should try the other joints, it does my leg& hip joints the world of good, seriously mate, don't whack it till yiv tried it, lol.
17 Feb 2020 17:21:28
People have been writing on here for a few years about our youth development system and how it's coming along great. We know that we aren't going to be financially stable as long as we keep bringing in other peoples high priced talent. Eg I like Kent and he will contribute, I don't like the price we paid though. I really don't like burning up money on the likes of Grezda, Alves and the two mexicans. My preference is Scottish players if they are good enough. I know its difficult to find home grown top class talent but neither are we a top class squad at the moment. And I find it hard to believe we couldn't develop players who couldn't contirbute more to the team than the four mentioned above. My point is when are we going to see some of these youths graduate into the first team either as squad players or eventually first team players. Some of which would know that it sometimes takes more than skill and finesse to win an SPL game. It would be nice to have a stable of players that other scottish teams would consider instead of having to pay them cash all the time.
17 Feb 2020 18:39:06
Just caught part of 2nd half of under 21s was really impressed with boy Dickson. There was a few that looked good but he stood out.
17 Feb 2020 19:06:25
blue, it seems we have the knack of recognising young talent but when they become of age, very few ever get a chance to shine. Why? I really don't know. Lots of youngsters play well enough in the academy then leave because they are being constantly overlooked, and wherever they go, most of them disappear into oblivion, personally I think that's because they are demoralised. We sometimes see the likes of Patterson get a game, they play well and again disappear into oblivion. In all honesty, if I were a youngster wanting to play professional football, Ibrox is the last place I would choose BECAUSE it's very unlikely that I would ever get the chance. Also, personally I think there should be a general rule at all pro clubs, that 3 of the subs MUST be under 21's or from an academy. That way they get a chance to play, AND they get a real taste of matchday. Don't forget the likes of Derek Johnstone got his chance at 16 AND he made it count.
17 Feb 2020 21:24:59
ritchie, please give it a rest with the DJ thing, 50 YEARS ago! I once coached in the Ibrox youth system (almost 30 years ago) and nobody left because they were 'demoralised' they were allowed to leave because they weren't good enough which was usually confirmed by the fact that they did vanish into oblivion. I watched this boy Patterson, who looks half decent, being ripped apart by an Atletico Madrid player the same age, so obviously he is nowhere near being a replacement for Tavernier - yet. Remember, our management team and coaches have been in place for just 20 months, so have had to improve our academy by bringing in a better class of youngster like NYC who has just turned 17. I believe that some players (Paterson, Kennedy etc) have come on a ton in the last 20 months and will eventually get close to the first team. There are, however, a lot more who will not, it's just the nature of the game.
Supporters read about these lads having a good game and latch on to a name then shout about getting them into the first team. It's just not that simple. Look at young Atakayi, looked good in the academy but was completely out of his depth when he was stepped up. Even Mebude, who we have high hopes for, is not ready yet.
Having watched our youth set-up from both inside and out for 30 years, I believe it is miles better and far more professional than it has ever been, but patience is required.
Only one in a thousand is a Barry Ferguson, maybe one in a hundred will turn out to be a Hutton. maybe one in 50 a Maurice Ross or a Stephen Hughes. That's the reality, not DJ from half a century ago in a different world, different game.
17 Feb 2020 21:45:37
Problem is our fans love to slaughter the home grown talent. Take a look through this forum, Scottish players always getting slaughtered yet other players get a pass for being an empty jersey because for some reason we think if they are foreign or from down south they must be better.
17 Feb 2020 22:00:57
The problem is we sign guys on 4 year deals then we upgrade or try and upgrade each transfer window and we're still left with the guy we're trying to replace so end up with guys who are in mid to late 20s and can't sell them on fast enough so they just become squad players, before we know it we've the Holts and Hallidays etc and we can't justify bringing in 17/ 18 from youth team when we've still got so many 'senior players' on our books.
If we did run squad right down we would have say 17/ 18 senior players backed up by our u21s.
Someone mentioned DJ reason guys like that got there chance was squad sizes weren't as big then.
I'd love to see us scrap the 3rd choicers that we have just now and use our youth set up to bolster our squad.
17 Feb 2020 22:30:58
Jzer, I think to an extent that will come about in a year or two. However, the squad would still need to be at least 20 strong and at the end of the day the most important thing will always be the first eleven. And you are, of course, correct about DJ, we had a regular squad of about 14 at that time including two goalies, so two players out and a kid was in.
18 Feb 2020 08:12:46
Good post Covenanter. Also replies good. The youth we had not good enough.
I read nyc scores a goal last year in alkass tourney loads on here say get him in first team fgs he was 16 and no where near ready.
I to was at athletico game last eeek Paterson got a lesson. Not ready yet.
18 Feb 2020 10:21:49
No wonder young players donāt get a chance have you seen the abuse players get in here? Also we are just getting young squads together during the Green era he got rid of most of our coaches any young player with a bit of talent was sold, we had to start from scratch again.
SH and his staff have now moved the youth teams into more competitive leagues playing across European leagues and against menās teams in lower leagues so that will stand them in good stead but no club gets a whole team through its own youth system but we have a few now out on loan and at the academy who just might make it letās hope so.
18 Feb 2020 14:44:46
Twacoos what young boys are getting abuse, please name.
Also what young players did we sell in green era. Mcleod springs to mind, to pay a bill but that was not green.
17 Feb 2020 17:21:15
I watched the Sportscene highlights of Sunday's game. When is something going to be done about the dreadful refereeing in the Premiership, at least when Rangers are involved. I tried not to be bias but there is no way both disallowed goals were offside. Even the Sportscene Muppets seemed to agree. How/ why the referee didn't see the handball right in front of him also defies belief. We should have won 4 or 5-0. Shocking officiating.
17 Feb 2020 18:42:57
100% with you DOIGER great post.
17 Feb 2020 18:49:38
Kamberi goal was offside, but Morelos goal should have counted and we should have had a pen.
17 Feb 2020 18:58:26
Stevie just been on tv saying the ref said he could not give handball because of the weather circumstances DOIGER, nothing said about the offside goals but tv clips showed they were ONSIDE.
17 Feb 2020 19:35:01
Apparently ref told goldson he couldn't give s clear penalty because it was windy, I mean wtf excuse is that it's a pen or not.
17 Feb 2020 21:53:30
Exactly herewego, so if Livie had scored it would have been disallowed because it was windy, aye right .
Why did he no just say that for our goals that were no offside then instead of a dodgy linesmans decision.
18 Feb 2020 07:46:12
Herrwego55, thatās not correct, he said he could not award a penalty because the wind was blowing in the wrong direction.
18 Feb 2020 10:02:43
Doiger, the ref did see the incident you are refering to, he told gerrard he couldn't give the hand ball incident a penalty, because, because, because, eait for it, because it was windy, sreiously mate, load of bull. imo. i bett he never missed chapel on sunday morning, before the game.
18 Feb 2020 17:13:57
Thsts what I said, he didn't give it because of the wind. It affected flight of ball. So he actually difnt give it because it was windy.
17 Feb 2020 16:40:00
Hi
I really feel sorry for all Rangers fans, they travel far and wide in all types of weather and watch poor performances they don't deserve.
What's happened to our team this year is anyone's guess, but I am really worried about the Braga game.
This game could make or break us, a good performance and a win could get us back on track.
Anything else could end our season, but hope I'm wrong.
get into them.
18 Feb 2020 10:01:25
Football is full of surprises, could end up putting a great performance in and winning the game.
17 Feb 2020 14:47:36
quote from SG in the daily rag today with reference to man city ban and the EPL-----"So I'm really interested to see the outcome of that. Until I get the punishment from the Premier League, I won't comment further. But I'm really, really interested in it. for obvious reasons". when it becomes mathematically impossible to win the league this year we will find out how loyal mr G is----its not an impossibility, winning the league but other clubs have to step up ---are there any clubs out there---I don't think so.
17 Feb 2020 15:11:41
deecee, I posted a comment on here yesterday asking for comments on this Man City situation. Any large investment coming into our Club, should in part, my opinion only, be partly used to reduce our debt, I don't like this situation year on year, as UEFA's financial fair play rule could, not saying it will as I don't know enough about it, come back and bite us.
Posters have said they wouldn't mind us being out of Europe to give more leeway to winning the league. We have already made circa Ā£15 Million so far this season, how much does winning this league earn you, about 20% of that figure if you're lucky. Any comments guys on this, don't be too harsh, just want to know what you all think.
17 Feb 2020 15:22:38
money and pride are 2 totally different things IVGER---maybe to the board its all about the money but to the common fan its all about stopping 9 in a row never mind 10----If and its a big IF our boss jumps ship without stopping this potential catastrophe to follow his dream like his buddy frank Lampard he will be a failure imo-----hopefully it doesn't come to that and a miracle happens----and at this time, it is a miracle . bit "never say die" I guess---.
17 Feb 2020 16:40:58
What debt do we currently have?
17 Feb 2020 21:08:39
mrgrumpy, what I was referring to was our continual loss making situation over the past 3 years. We should be trying to bring our income and expenditure on to a more level footing, and in order to do that we need European Football, as I said just an opinion I hold, others may be happy to continually be in a loss making position, but I'm not as I fear UEFA may look at us, or not as the case may be, I don't know enough about this Financial Fair Play ruling.
18 Feb 2020 10:03:47
Deecee, gerrard was meaning if man city are stripped of the 2014 title it could go to liverpool, and as he was there captain at the time, he would be due a winners medal, instead of the runners up one he got, that's all he was meaning.
18 Feb 2020 10:04:34
Deecee, you must hate steven gerrard eh, how could you not work out what he was refering to in regards man city, being stripped of titles, i would be making more noise about man city lending celtic fc players, players that city couldn't afford, for god sake get sff the guys back.
18 Feb 2020 10:05:13
Deecee, i forgot to add guys like you put me off posting on here, you are trying to start a gerrard out scenario.
18 Feb 2020 17:15:11
Paul, u don't get a runners up medal for being 2nd in league pal lol.
17 Feb 2020 14:21:31
Not directly a rangers post here. Guys i was reading some comments from Birmingham city supporters and some midland supporters, stating that Birmingham city's young midfield wonderkid jude bellingham is the closest thing they've seen to paul Gascoigne in many a year.
Some saying his style is very reminiscent of gazza and some say gerrard. By all accounts he's a special midfielder! Has any of my fellow bears seen bellingham playing and who does his style remind them of? Looking forward to seeing some post replies on this, as i love seeing young special talented footballers breaking through! Cheers guys, all your input would be much appreciated.
17 Feb 2020 14:44:25
Haven't seen him play coop. Man utd apparently going to bid Ā£30m for him. 16 years old! It's mad down there.
18 Feb 2020 10:18:40
Yep met the new Gascoigne. He was ten pints in and playing the flute at 23.30. at 13.45 on the Sunday, he won the game with a cracking goal! Where are these types of footballer nowadays? . Look at halliday yesterday. Not the best, but totally up for it. One eyed but still playing. Imagine if that was Ronaldo. .
17 Feb 2020 11:29:07
This horrible weather is getting worse every winter so it looks like we are realy going to have to look at the football seasons argument .
I personally feel instead of scrapping winter football we should maybe consider adjusting the break say from 1st January to maybe 1st March giving teams better weather into the later summer season.
Any thoughts on this one guys.
Just to get us out of our teams performance saga for a wee while and to calm us down a bit.
17 Feb 2020 11:51:09
Hi guys actually meant to type 'till 31st March.
17 Feb 2020 11:55:27
A 3 month winter break you serious.
17 Feb 2020 13:33:40
Yes Deemc, my suggestion is better than a complete end to the winter football in Britain.
I was realy hoping some posters would give suggestions and opinions on the subject tho, that's why I posted mine.
17 Feb 2020 14:04:08
Impossible to then fit all the games in if 3 month winter break. Lucky if get 6 weeks off over the summer by time start euro qualifiers. And were now pretty much don't have any free dates until end of season as it is.
17 Feb 2020 14:06:03
Financially donāt think many clubs could sustain no income for 3 months think it would be hard to re engage after that long as it summer too many other things on
But Iām sure finances would dictate itš.
17 Feb 2020 14:12:39
Bluebilly, that idea would never work, the only way your sugestion would work is the s. f. a would need to change the league, back to the old set up where teams played each othere once, kome and once away, for by that we would never be fit enough for european football, that's my opinion mate. plus the s. f. a. won't change a winning celtic set up, not until some team stops there 55in a row.
17 Feb 2020 14:31:12
Some good sensible reply's so far guys, was not taking into consideration the EU games tho as no guarantee we would be going very far in it in the future.
Just look how long the mhanks lasted in the champions league before getting the europa consolation prize.
17 Feb 2020 14:37:23
Issue with the winter break is that it is completely at the wrong time. The weather in December and January is never really that bad, I canāt think of a day during recent winter breaks where you couldnāt have got a game on. Mid to late Feb is always the worst, like now when we have the storm or 2018 when we had all the snow. If they insist on a winter break it should be in Feb, but in all honesty I think it should be scrapped to avoid the ridiculous fixture congestion. Iām sure that has more damage on players bodies, trying to play 5 games in 14 days, than just playing through would.
17 Feb 2020 14:47:03
Not really down to the sfa though is it? SFA don't run our league.
17 Feb 2020 16:48:11
Good post about a winter break. I think a break from 1st January to 1st March (2 months) might help, as long as our players don't go to Dubai to mess up the rest of the season! Changing the league set-up is a good idea too, maybe a Premiership of 16 or even 18 teams like it used to be in the old days of Division One. That would reduce league games from 38 to 34 or even 30.
17 Feb 2020 18:00:39
summer football is long overdue in Scotland. It would improve our game and should bring about an increase in TV money as our league will have the only competitive games to screen.
17 Feb 2020 18:04:20
I'm wi you on that DOIGER .
17 Feb 2020 10:29:11
Saw STEVIE G quotes re punishment for Man City and potential of them losing titles
WHY that's a whole can of worms he's opened just watch over next few days Scottish "mhedia all overs this one.
17 Feb 2020 14:19:04
Blue blue sea, why should gerrard not get involved, liverpool could have won the league if it wasnt for man city cheating, man city also loaned players to celtic that neither club could afford, would celtic have won the league, without the man city players?
17 Feb 2020 15:54:38
Iām thinking more of the never ending debate about us getting titles stripped due to EBTs the argument from the dark side will be if Man City lose titles and he supports it why wouldnāt he support us losing titles you can guarantee it will be brought up that was my point.
17 Feb 2020 16:43:05
What's happening with man city, isn't the same as what happened to us though.
17 Feb 2020 16:47:41
Mr grumpy do you seriously think the east end legal experts wonāt question it I know itās different but watch this space.
17 Feb 2020 18:14:26
I really wouldn't worry about what 'they' say or think blue blue sea.
18 Feb 2020 10:06:10
The e.b.t, situation is nowt like the man city one.
17 Feb 2020 08:27:17
I didn't see the game yesterday so wasn't aware that 2 goals were disallowed and a stonewall penalty turned down. Also, their keeper seems to have had 2 or 3 top-drawer saves. It seems the officials and our opponents save their worst and best for us! The unwashed apparently didn't play well against the sheep and were lucky to win. There is hope yet I suppose.
17 Feb 2020 10:00:33
They say luck and decisions even themselves out over season but we donāt seem to be having any and they seem to having it all.
17 Feb 2020 12:12:37
Imagine the shoe on the other foot. They would be lobbying parliament.
17 Feb 2020 14:05:38
You probably also never saw more awful defending and dykes hitting our post in 80 odd mins from 25 yards. Heart was in my mouth.
17 Feb 2020 14:08:21
See weāve got VAR on thurs for Braga game. We will not get home till midnight lol.
17 Feb 2020 17:25:05
The uefa version is way more streamlined than the farce in england š.
18 Feb 2020 10:07:31
Doiger, the stonewall penalty was refused because of the weather conditions, the refs excuse, honestly mate you couldn't make this excuse up, why did the ref allow the game to go ahead, if he ( the ref) wasnt going to use the official rules og the game?
17 Feb 2020 06:32:32
How cold was it at ibrox yesterdayš„¶š¤§was freezing but managed to stay til the final whistle. wouldn't blame anyone that didn't turn up. especially the fans who had to bring their kids. was a guy next
to me with his young boy who was in tears because of the coldness. gave the wee boy my gloves but was still too cold so they left just after half time. if i had my son with me i'd have left well before that
All in all not too bad a performance considering the weather. second half much better than the 1st.
Well taken goal from arfield. morelos goal was onside. how the flag was even raised is beyond me. great save from mcgregor but wow . world clsss save from their keeper. we deserved that win and we deserved to be leaving with atleast 3 goals.
Got to the stage now where i don't care about the performance. All i care about now is the 3 points.
I will always believe #55 can still happen. until that league table proves me otherwise because its happened before and it can happen again. In football its not over until its over
13 games left in the league. can we get 13 wins out of 13.be a huge task but if we get our confidence back and start playing to destroy teams where we play them. off the park then we will win the league? and before you all get your knickers in a twist i know celtic still be 1 point ahead at the final game but as I've said before celtic will drop points. they may not look like it right now but they will eventually
And bribhoy seen your post wanting to bet 100 quid celtic be atleast 10 pounts clear at end of season. Ifh you're that confident about that let's do a double bet. if celtic are 10 points clear end of season i will pay 100 to a charity of your choice anything under 10 points you do the same. and heres the double up. if rangers turn this round and end up winning the league. youve got to wear a rangers top while holding a sign saying "#55" and send a photo of it to ed. obv blur out your face. We got a deal?
And i want all you guys to bear witness that bribhoys post quotes celtic must be atleast 10 points clear at the end of league. so there's no repeat of trueblues bet. ;;
17 Feb 2020 03:16:01
The win at Celtic park was the best feeling i've had in a very long time (most of my family are from the dark side made it even better ), but Celtic will lose a few games before the end of the season, we just need to get a finger out simple as that . Easier said than done but 2 old firms and a game in hand - not over yet.
17 Feb 2020 06:52:21
Been saying that myself mate. also agree that we need to win all our remaining games. no exceptions. if we draw or lose 1 more game then i think then i will admit its games a bogey. we are 10 points behind atm with a game in hand and playing them twice. win them its down to 1 point. and celtic will definately drop points against another team. we just need to keep winning. As soon as that 10 point gap becomes 1 point that's when i think the pressure will become too much for them and drop more points. they've won 7 games in a row . so they've had their bout of luck. our turn now.13 games in a row we must win. can it be done. Yes.
17 Feb 2020 08:05:56
Hope you are right, dunks. It will be hard, especially with so many bad refereeing calls but it can be done. Apparently they were red rotten yesterday.
17 Feb 2020 11:01:06
Love the optimism guys but win all 13?
When was the last time we won 13 in a row?
17 Feb 2020 11:58:01
Doesnāt matter if we did win the 13 games, critic would need to drop points out with the old firm games. The league is in their hands not ours.
17 Feb 2020 12:13:20
Not impossible Mr Baxter.
17 Feb 2020 14:55:44
celtic can drop points after euro games.
wdw.
16 Feb 2020 22:18:01
Never seen the game today. How did we play? Reading reports Morelos is of it. lve been saying he's lacking confidence. Play Kamberi alongside him.
3 points is all thelat matters today.
17 Feb 2020 08:07:34
Better second half but conditions did not help. One goal but should have been three. Both "offside" goals should have stood.
17 Feb 2020 09:46:26
As Morelos had two great saves from keeper, had a good goal disallowed, laid on good goal for kamberi.
So Iām not convinced heās off it.
Also good goal disallowed at killie.
Does need to cut out going down easy though.