Rangers Banter Archive February 17 2013

17 Feb 2013 14:49:36
Look Rangers are one year on from the worst day of my life. We should be happy will win the league some of the cups were above our remit though we should have done better in other. Ally is building his team to take us through the divisions it's not been easy for him though some of the senior players have been poor ( we don't even need some of them ). Let's not get carried away it's a long way to go but we will get there. Some of the fans, Mcmurdo jnr, and Green saying we are the biggest team in Scotland who are they trying to con we may have the biggest fan base just maybe, we never had over 100. 000 watching us within a week like our big rivals from the other side since years they have so hold on that one. All I'm saying we're on the way back hopefully to where we should be but don't let our expectations outdo our capabilities. Some fans wanted us where we are (certainly not me ) but let's get Back with pride and respectability. Still a what to go.
Bobby

Bobby, Green needs to sit down with you and other proper fans who will ask real questions. Excellent and honest post.

Don't think Green will be be calling you any time soon Bobby. he needs people who are good with figures and also good memories. I think you will find there was more than 100. 000 watching the cup final in Manchester never mind on television.

Ozzie Al

Ozzie Al - I think he was referring to the fact that the other mob had over 100,000 in the space of a few days because they were (note the past tense) in the champions league, That for now makes them bigger, not in terms of fan support or history but the fact they are rubbing shoulders with the big guns of european football. That will return to us if we bide our time but we are a few years away at the moment. We will be back and stronger than ever but at the moment the football power lies with the other mob.

Ozzie Al; You are wrong. Mr Green needs people like you who seem to swallow whatever he says. Other than the IPO, which still needs questions answered, what has he delivered? I assume you will have an answer or are you prepared to believe anything this guy says? So many stories yet none actually happened yet.

After the juve game the attendance at united game was only 30000

@3 thank you for interpreting that for me. very enlightened and sensible response.
@4 So far he has saved my old club from the damage inflicted upon it by some internal stakeholders and delivered on the first stage of the 5 year plan by winning the Third division (almost). Secondly he has defended the Club from fools like yourself who ultimately were the cause of further destruction through there gullibility to believe the writings of a madman on the web who had rangers guilty on the big tax case even before it came to court, and subsequently were made to look very foolish when Rangers were found not guilty. So if it came to a choice who to believe. You and your ilk or Charles Green, my response is the latter. Thank you very much. Upwards and onwards.

Ozzie Al

19 Feb 2013 08:41:22
@5: actually 46, 496 so you're only a wee bit out.

@6: how is anything #4 wrote foolish? You seem to assume he follows another team but how do you know? Indded, your post makes you seem foolish.

@8 He obviously believes what he reads in the newspapers and gossip from other sources such as dodgy websites anyone that daft can only be a supporter of one team in Scotland and its not Rangers.

Ozzie Al

17 Feb 2013 10:36:01
Bull. Alexander did not walk away. Now Ally and Green walk away from him. Insulting him by cutting his wages by 50%, how would you like that? I thought Green said Rangers had more money at their disposal than Celtic? More Bull from Green, he knows he can't make him and his Far East buddies their profit with these wages being paid so resorts to blackmail. Green, very loyal, NOT.

Op. rangers are a third division team and paying 10 grand every week for one player is far too much! rangers need to cut costs til were bringing in more money. cammy bell is younger and in my opinion a better goaly! the fact is we are running a business not a charity sadly players have to come and go. mark.

OP - he really is not that good a keeper

JG

1) Green wants to rip up Alexanders contract now. He wants him to take a years extension on half wages but will only offer him that if he halfs his money now. Basically ripping up a contract half way through the season. Nice bloke, Charles Green, would you like him as your boss? basically wiping his backside with your contract of employment?

Do any of you truely believe "the rangers" have more money than Celtic?
It is incredibily insulting for Alexander, who has transferred to the NewCo and stayed "loyal". This man may not be your first choice when/if Bell comes in, but he certainly deserves a bit more respect than to be told to take a paycut for the second time in as many years. Green is a joke and all those that listen to his lies, should take a step back and think of what he has done for NewCo

@3. alexander just has to say no! then play out the remainder of his contract. think your not getting this we can't afford ten grand a week on just one player. mark.

@1 Yep Charlie showing his true colour's, Alexander stick's by Rangers doe's not jump ship, forfeit's half his wage's maybe more? to try and save old Rangers and this is the way he is treated. Then you wonder why the rest jumped ship.
Tam

Tam I agree! but what do you want to hurt alexanders feelings or rangers income and stability! we need to cut costs til we move up the divisions and the likes of alexander, goian, and bocanegra wages are far too much for us sorry but that's a fact. mark.

@4. are you for real! there would be no newco if it wasnt for green get real! i'm not greens biggest fan but at least he stepped up when we needed him! start thinking of rangers as a club in the third we can't live with celtic, dundee united and the likes til we move up the leagues. we have to learn to spend wisely from now on. mark.

Poster 5. Why can Rangers not afford 10k a week? Yes, for a normal 3rd leagues team these wages would be crazy. Green has told us we are wealthy, 13th highest attendances in Europe. Well, where is the share money, where is the season ticket money, and best of all, where is the capital from the so called investors? Why was he so desperate for players on high wages to TUPE over? that's right to sell them and line his pockets.

LOL well Alexander is the man who stops the goals going in, so him aswell as every other player is just as important as the next, he's properly thinking, black templeton etc are all on at least 5k a week it's even rumoured the rangers are even playing upto 10k for a couple of players! So why offer him less than them? If cammy bell HAS signed then I can see where green is coming from but if he says to bell says no then they are chasing out there one & only good GK?

Stop worrying about attendance rates & more so stop involving celtic in all of his statements and worry about keeping a good start 11! And that starts with a number 1 between the sticks

From a outsiders point of view looking in what has green done since the take over? Bill miller/Charles green/blue knights were all going to either save rangers or form a new rangers either way a club called rangers were always going to be playing in a Scottish division one way or another, so what's he done? Raised '22million' in a share issue? Signed 2 young stars?

Bearing in mind this guy has at least 5m odds from the rangers fans from the shares? But him & his 2 right hand men are on 720k a year plus around half a million EACH for every time the team moves up a division As a bonus! And all non directors inc smith are on 50k + bonuses a year.

Lenny

@9. and you answered that yourself we don't need to spend it but just because we can then you think we should! guess you don't run a company then? bell is younger, better and cheaper. mark.

It's ok saying Alexander done us a favour by staying which in a way he did. however what do you think his value would have been after the whole wage cut-transfer fee reduction was agreed? 250k? (pure guess). And if he walked away do you think he would have got 10k a week and first team football somewhere else? Yes he showed loyalty to us but did rangers not show equal loyalty to him? Just a thought. By the way I wouldn't mind him staying, bell or not.

17 Feb 2013 16:18:05
Right enough is enough, Green needs to be challenged now. Get everything out in the open. who owns what?who gets paid what and what debt are we actualy in etc. This whole thing is starting to look like a "Groundhog Day" situation like Whytes time in charge.
If we can't honour wages and contracts then say so,, don't blame others don't hide behind "rubbish" just be bloody honest.
This really should be concerning every Rangers fan, how can Green one minute be talking about giving Ally the millions to buy players, when he can't afford the ones there. All week Ally has been
going on about how hard it would be to attract players blaming the divisions etc we would be playing in,, this seems to be a bloody smokescreen for Green and co, to not be truthfull about the lack of finances to actually pay players wishing to come? could be wrong? but no evidence forth coming to say different.
Are we all really this blind, to the owners who constantly treat us like morons. come on challenge now before its?to late again : (

Alexander has to drop the cost of two non execs annual salaries, over the next 5 months.
Why not drop the two non exec directors?
Alexander has a legal contract and saves goals.

@ 13. Who says we can't afford current wages? Maybe they just want to get a younger squad for better value. Also none of us actually know the ins and outs of it. It's all paper spin. Nothing confirmed.

@14. Yes he does have a legal contract. And he is within his rights to sit it out and leave in the summer. Rangers also have the right to offer him a new contract to start now or in the summer for whatever sum they wish. He does not have to agree to it. Also there is such a word as negotiation. Start low or high depending which side of the table you are sat. Then haggle. It's called contract negotiations.

Is there still supposed to be a 10million warchest for Ally?

If so Mr Green use some of it to do the right thing with N. A.

If not, please stop saying whatever you think fans want to hear on a whim. This is starting to really worry me, i. e he volunteered to pay another club for 3000 season tickets if they would vote for us to stay in SPL ---- well, Mr Green, I don't put money into Rangers for you to go and basically bribe another club and give them free money.

Alexander has made more mistakes in 2 seasons than andy goram has made in his whole carrer

18. Have a look at the back 4 that played in Goram's day then look at what we have these days.

Not saying Alexander is near Goram as a keeper but he also doesn't have anything like the same protection.

Oh and he has played in more European final than Andy.

I don't have the figures but I have seen all the rumours about management salaries. Ally, like Alexander, too the cut requested to help save the club. Has CG gone back to Ally first? I don't see where CG is setting the example by offering to half his salary. Why did CG hire Traynor, who really will not contribute anything on the park, and then go to the players who stayed loyal and expect them to bear the brunt. While I agree about paying too high salaries for the 3rd Div it begs the question why the expenditure on additional admin people when it's players the club needs right now. A cynic might start to question just how healthy the club's finances really are. Why are there no straight answers (mind you it does not seem that anyone is being allowed to ask the pertinant questions first)?