Rangers Banter Archive May 16 2012

 

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16 May 2012 23:42:34
So the transfer embargo stands... This sounds like an active incentive for a newco if I heard one. We're being castigated either way.... Sorry Rino doesn't look like its going to happen - how do you feel about being the worlds first world cup winning trialst (for about 12 months...)

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No new players means no new players. You can't have trialists, but you're keeping the good old cheating mentality going at least.
But why the moaning ? As you have all been saying, you'd have won the league without the points thing.
Let's see.

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16 May 2012 23:40:12
Withdraw from scots cup next season. Boycott sfa sponsors and spl away games

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Withdraw all co-operation with the SFA for 12 months. Works both ways.

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We are better than that. lets just get on with supporting the team. hope mr green resigns/extend contracts if what we have.
WE DONT DO WALKING AWAY
the tiger

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I wish UEFA would allow us to apply to the english leagues (Know it won't happen) but fed up with two steps forward and three backward scenario playing itself out here. There will be more punishment coming down the line no doubt and firmly believe we should start as a newco and Div 3 if no other options (Not the SPL). Do this now before they decide to block this route or make new rules to sanction us in Div3. I couldn't care less about the SPL now and hope it implodes on itself. It is well overdue.

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Going by our showing in this years Scottish cup what difference does it make,better to be in it and get some money in, also what have the SFA done, did you honestly expect to walk away with no punishment

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@4. The SFA could start the ban in September. This would at least allow us to get the team together from the transfer window (provided we had exited admin) to give us a fighting chance of surviving in the SPL.

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It seems that the basis of rangers' appeal was that the actions of their chairman, no less, should not be held against the club. Not a prayer of that succeeding. Also duff and Phelps say the transfer embargo was not an available sanction. Even if that were true the available sanctions were expulsion or a 100k fine. So rangers were trying to get off with a 100k fine for stealing 13m due to her majesty. No mention has ever been made of paying this money back. As a footnote, the qc hired by rangers was payed for by your rff.

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@5: so they'll punish you but make it easier. What next, murderers asking for their jail terms not to start until they've been on the holiday they've paid for?

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16 May 2012 23:18:02
Tribunal upheld original sanctions, BBC now, really didn't think they would and I really hope rangers survive and I really hope no boycotts but then I hope for world peace, old firm fans to understand irony and anchorman 3, some say that I'm a dreamer, I'm not the only one
Nevis

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16 May 2012 23:16:40
well there you have it....appeal = plums...hot off the press...that may well be the door that opens up to liquid....deecee

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16 May 2012 23:13:11
Absolutely raging at the SFA and imo I hope all future Rangers players NEVER play for Scotland again as a protest. Scott fae the Brox

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The effect of that of course will be to reduce any transfer value they might accrue from international appearances. Good economics batman.

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@1. In case you haven't noticed, Scotland are mince. Don't think it will help players transfer value that much. Maybe add another 5 quid onto their value if you're lucky.

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Rage& anger will now be redirected to the spl& sfa.lucky rfc didnt lose there liscence over there corrupt management,theres plenty more to follow as the tornado of the EBTs&BTC still to blow through ibroke....stevo

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@3. Wondered when you'd crawl out from under your rock.

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16 May 2012 23:11:27
We lost the appeal. I think that is a disastrous outcome even in terms of retaining the current squad. The young lads need to step up now.

RFC 77

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If so called super Ally had kept his mouth
shut about naming previous panel members there might have been a better
outcome at last nights appeal. He is an
accident waiting to happen and the sooner he goes the better for Rangers. CM

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16 May 2012 23:10:01
"Rangers have had their appeal against a £160,000 fine and a year-long transfer embargo rejected by a Scottish Football Association appeals tribunal."

From BBC website. Does this mean the end of Green bid? Is it a step nearer liquidation? Not looking good!

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It is not the end of greens bid, he has a binding agreement. Also don't see why this brings liquidation nearer, don't see how they are related. The CVA has not got anything to do with this. It just means we can't sign anybody, that's all. We need to keep who we have that's all.

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'Death by a thousand cuts' - thats what its starting to look like, no doubt there will be more sh*t flying our way over the next few weeks. Newco and Div 3 is the only way ahead, if they are going to castrate us then lets 'financially' castrate them.

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The original tribunal acted on the findings of lord nimmo Smith's inquiry. The appeal board was chaired by lord calloway, supreme court judge. Who are the 'they' you speak of and wish to financially castrate ? Ugly language from an ugly organisation and it's cohort.

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16 May 2012 23:04:05
SFA reject Gers appeal, more great news! FFS when is this s**t gonna end...

J

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Where you expecting the appeal to be accepted?

I think being punished for Craig Whyte avoiding the payments of VAT etc are harsh, Craig Whyte done this on his own accord only in Rangers name. The SFA know the guy is a fraud, since they deemed him unfit.

Rangers now know where they stand and need to act swiftly in regards to the CVA, if they get that in order then Mr Green, after all his mouthing off about spending money, should use that money keep the current crop of players on the books and offer them the wages required to keep them on the books. Surely there are a few gems out there under the age of 18 that will be worth a punt?

Time to move on methinks.

TTG

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OK, The club should make sure that an embargo on players playing for scotland is in force with immediate effect for the duration of the transfer embargo. Will be lifted after 12 months.

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16 May 2012 21:49:57
Heard a rumour in the local pub that result from today's appeal may not be decided till Monday morning. That it's taken a full day without a verdict spells a negative outlook to me! Wouldn't surprise me the jury were too busy thinking about Saturday's Cup-Final. W.A.T.P.

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They only convened at 6pm today.

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BANG! the bomb just dropped...........green jhedi

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16 May 2012 20:43:05
Recovery expert charges £6,000 a day to axe jobs
Turnaround expert Donald Muir stands to earn £470,000 for six months’ part-time work while the accountancy firm he was brought in to save cuts a tenth of its workforce, it has emerged. Muir was parachuted in to help RSM Tenon.

Luv it just under £1/2m for 6 mths part-time work just to cut jobs. Safe in the hands of Lloyds. What a barsteward.

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Fkn disgrace! It's time working guys rose up and ousted this nonsense. Consultants etc, charging stupid money we all pay for........green jhedi

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16 May 2012 20:16:35
Green & co are in this for one reason
£lots of,and will exit asap if they can
get a decent return.
Ibrox may be of little value in the open
market but is of enormous value to
Rangers. How much would it cost to
acquire land and build a new 50,000 sater stadium? £200m? Certainly far beyond Rangers reach.
Green could seperate the football club from the properties Ibrox, Murray Park and the car park.
Lease the properties to the club for a couple of £M a year and selling the club to the fans.
One certainty is that the investors intend to make money and the only source are the little people ,the fan base.

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Do you really believe that legal documents would not be signed by D&P making any action like this illegal?

Anyway Rangers don't have Millions of pounds to pay anyone right now never mind Green, his group will have to pump in at least Another £10m on top of the £8.5m cva pot for working capital.

While Green and co may make money in the long term how on earth can they make millions from renting Ibrox back when Rangers dont have millions?

Season ticket sales wont even cover our wage bill next season, so their is zero money to be made out of Rangers short term, but nice fantasy none the less.

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Indeed. Ibrox has a greater value to Rangers than any other business I can think of. Similarly any other owner of Ibrox would get the best return by leasing it to Rangers.

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Well Charles green is all we have so let's get behind him first and stop being negative. We have had the worst year of our life's so lets get positive watp

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Rent equates to £2 per game x 40000 x 20 games = £1.6m pa + car park.

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@4 so you saying Green and co are going to put in £18m to get £1.6m back?

Don't think some people grasp that Rangers are in admin for a reason we have more outgoings than income, why on earth anyone thinks that Green would want to come into a club and add another £1.6m loss per season on to a £10m loss per season that we have already is beyond me.

His group will have to pump in at least £10m just to keep Rangers going to next season.

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The cost of building a stadium if you started now, would be more like 750m to 1b. Ibrox is layers of work built on each other and the means of getting people there has to be considered. 8.5m is a joke. The players are worth 3 times that.

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@2; Whats the break up value? that might be key...........green jhedi

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16 May 2012 17:38:26
What's anybody hearing about the new BBC Scotland The Man Who Sold the Jerseys documentary?

Have heard Sir David Murray will launch legal action to stop it being shown on TV next week.

And that he won't be Sir for much longer if it is shown and its content will rock every true Rangers fan with revelations about double contracts and other serious footballing offences.

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23rd of May.

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Those 'in the know' say there is lots more to come - it's being peeled away steadily to be revealed layer by layer.

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Is there any truth in the rumour SDM has tried to get an injunction to stop it being aired?

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Sdm tried for an injuction a week past friday. it was heard in court under the case of mr abc vs bbc. (this case is fact, anyone can obtain the record of stating this case was heard, incase ed worried about posting) i dont know exactly whats in the documentry, but have heard its not very comfy viewing for sdm. explosive the term used to discribe it. it allegedy talks more about murray group, their £700 mil debts and how lloyds forced a man on the board to oversee rangers as they were the only decent asset mih had. never in history has a company in difficulty (rangers fc) ever settled debt fully to a bank (another fact) and the fact llloyds got the full £34 mill owed has some folk asking questions.
the tiger - still beyond reproach

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16 May 2012 17:06:45
Are the spl on overtime the night? when they going to reveal all? Inverbear

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Hearing only started this evening

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Verdict not expected until friday

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Dont think you'll hear anything until after the cup final.

Das Shadow

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16 May 2012 16:41:10
Celtic fans going on about sporting integrity?

Yeah the same fans who wanted they're own team to get beat against Hearts just to stop Rangers getting a Champions league spot in big Ecks last season as Rangers manager.

Really could not make it up.

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How long did it take u to remember that?
big difference between cheating league, lying to everyone and hoping your rivals fail.

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What are you blabbing about? Your getting sporting integrity mixed up sporting rivalry with your statement.

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Just like the Rangers fans supporting Hearts
against Hibs this weekend

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@2 point i was making in the op was Celtic fans WANTED their own team to get beat and cheered the Hearts goals that day.

sporting integrity??

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And how do u know this , we're u there . Utter garbage I don't think you really know what Celtic fans think of Hearts.........DH

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&4 Fans will be fans and I'm sure SOME of your fans would have said same if scenario was reversed. Sporting integrity being spoken about just now is being directed at the actions of your club which I'm sure you will agree have been deplorable

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How is this for sporting integrity
Chris Sutton telling the then kilmarnock goal keeper Gordon Marshall that he should remember who he once played for after playing a blinder which helped Rangers win the League (basically saying he should have let goals in) the very same hutton who accused Dunfermiline of cheating and throwing the game to help Rangers win the League. this is also from a people who support a team that calls into question the honesty of every official and every member of the governing body of Scottish football everytime a decision goes against them dont make me laugh

thats why you are known by every other teams fans as Glasgow Celtic the team thats always cheated never defeated

lochaber Bear

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You obviously dont recall Richard Gough having a go at Barry Robson for scoring against Rangers for Dundee Utd , he asked Barry how he could score against Rangers when he was a former Rangers player , unlike Ally McCoist and Ian Durrant who passed up numerous chances to score against Rangers for Kilmarnock so dont give us your nonsence mate .

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Celtic fans cheer hearts goals. Not in this universe.

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Any celtic fans have an opinion of neil lennons touchline behaviour (or lack of) when it comes to sporting integrity? booting defencless water bottles, snarling at 4th officials and invading the pitch to jab fingers in the refs chest after a national semi final dosnt seem like sporting intergraty to me???
the tiger - still beyond reproach

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16 May 2012 16:32:49
So its day 92 wounded bears(almost extinct)in Administration..Whyte still owns 85%.No Europe Next Year,Awaiting the BTC,still not a pot too pi$$ in,Not much has changed from Valentines day....stevo

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Any update on the closure date. Stevio

Uv had enough guesses already??

bil72

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Just a point Whyte sold his 85% shares, really education is a wonderful thing really you should give it at try it is very enlightening and wonderful experience .

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Spot on steveo- nothing changes: you were a bellend on Valentine's day, and guess what...... you're still the quite the shiny helmet.

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I suspect that come day number 10,092 you will still be coming on here prediciting Rangers death.

As for Whyte still owning the shares, these shares can't legally be bought till Rangers are out of administration that is why he still has them, but he has signed a letter of intent to pass them on once a cva is agreed if no cva is agreed then Green does not need tham anyway.

As for the btc that will be irrelevant in the next few weeks one way or another, CVA or newco will mean that is finished.

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@2; Just a point...but why?..........green jhedi

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@5 if you have to ask then you are in itself proving the fact!

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@6; thats just gibberish. Why did Whyte sell? Enlighten me please............green jhedi

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16 May 2012 16:17:07
Just want a quick post and reminder to you all that should the SFA decide to stick with their original decision to ban rangers from signing players for 12 months... We will boycott all away games! This seems to have been forgotten!

As the banner once said 'Sink us and we will sink you'

Alan

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This is the reason the nation detests you! You are being sanctioned for lieing, cheating and defrauding our country. And you decide everyone else has to suffer. You sound like a little school boy, "it's my ball and if you don't let me score every goal you ain't playing" Get your head out the sand boys! You've been caught and you HAVE to be punished, suck it up and act like men.

And before you start i'm a Ayr Utd fan, you cheated us by playing Kanchelskis, Wallace, Dodds et al in the 2000 scottish cup semi final. Each of these players had tidy wee EBT's.

HonestMAN

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If the ban is increased on appeal to 24 months will you double your boycott to include home games?

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Ebt where and are still not illegal they are just avoiding taxes the same as every rich person in this country do and get told how to do this through advisers we should pay back the money we owe through a cva and pay back the teams in scotland all there money and then what can you say nothing as we say "WE DON'T DO WALKING AWAY" so we should'nt walk away from this pay as much as we can and all to scottish clubs

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@1 And this is the reason Rangers fans detest people like yourself and the Celtic tax experts.

1) Rangers have not been found guilty of the improper use of EBTs so far but you seem to be talking like FTT has delivered a guilty verdict, 4 months into deliberations still no verdict, strange for such an open and shut case.

2) Rangers were sanctioned for being a badly run club by the sfa but Dundee, Motherwell, Livi (1st time in admin) were not why? all owed money to hmrc and other clubs.

3)How do you know who was on an EBT in 2000?, another expert that has access to Rangers accounts i take it?

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Honest Man.

....and how on this debt ridden Earth do you know that the players mentioned where on EBT's? Furthermore, where EBT's illegal back then? I may be wrong here but I am pretty sure they weren't. Nobody cheated. Stop with this cheating nonsense.

TTG

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We could have beat you playing the named players mothers,

barra1591

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Time for some fact checking guys. Rangers accepted the 24m HMRC bill but appealed the penalties and charges.Thats what is being decided now.So at best 24m will still be owed..........green jhedi

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4. Rangers fans detest everybody. Even each other in the seventies. The point is were rangers players paid money which wasn't in their contract? If the money in the ebt was not within their contract they were not eligible to play. If the ebt money was in the contract they would have had to pay tax on it so no point in ebt.
Is that the sound of pennies dropping? You better pick em up.

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16 May 2012 15:21:57
So Regan is demanding more detail from Green mmmmmmmmm, or is it his mate Lawwell, i find this link means that almost everything that the SFA do has got to be viewed with a real element of doubt, anyone unaware of just how close they are just google both and judge.

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I don't think Regan has any right to demand who all the shareholders in the consortium are. At the end of the day, does Regan know every detail about every shareholder at every club in the league? Somehow I don't think he does.

Green should tell Regan to shove it.

TTG

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Absolutly mate - considering it was liewell that encouraged regan to go for the position. his appointment was also shrouded in suspucious circumstances. they also worked for coors.(thats as much as ive read)

thats like ally mccoist encouraging walter smith to be head of the sfa - what would lemmon say ?

ryanrfc

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Is that a wee bit of paranoia there? I thought it was us timmy's that are guilty of that!

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Reading a bit too much leggat i think..........green jhedi

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So we wont bother with finding out if they are dodgy or unable by law to hold certain posts on board level or did u lot not learn your lesson.

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So they get lambasted for not checking CW out now when they want to check who the investors are they get the same treatment! What is it with you lot? Always play the blame game. It's not even the spl's job to do these checks it's YOUR CLUBS responsibility. Imagine they didn't check who these folk out and you end up with CW again WHO would you blame then?...... Ah thats right the spl and the sfa. Get a grip and let your own club take responsibility for a change.

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I'm a shareholder, Will my name be handed over as well?

bil72

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@2 lemmon an liewell ? grow fecking up,garlar07

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@4 still reading too many rangers websites you are the force is getting closer leave the dark side soon you will.....blue yodda

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@4 Is is not true that Mr Lawwell recommended Regan for the job and strangely enough he himself is or maybe appointed to SFA. Now the SFA asks for Rangers funding from their propsed new buyer to be disclosed despite having no power to, tell me who is pulling the strings?

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Oh you've rumbled it. Murray and whyte are secret Celtic agents dedicated to rangers downfall. The entire sfa are on a secret Celtic payroll. Everyone else is innocent and its Celtic who should be punished. I knew we'd never get away with it rangers supporters are just way too clever.

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Reply 5) you are missing the point, question is do they have this detail on every board member at all clubs.

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As I understand it the SFA actually do not have any legislative power to demand Green shares / discloses such information. I think that is one of the changes they are trying to effect but as the SFA Articles stand just now, they have no power to demand Green shares this information. Reagan can ask. After all, the worse Green can say is "no"!

SPM

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So yous just want to know about the identities of people that punish you but not the people buying your club, does that sound right? no but to yous it does.

and what about your former chairman aj(?) at the head of spl? no mention of that eh just about a Celtic connecton that hasnt been in place too long. geezzz you would think you have more important things to think/worry of then having a go at the paranoia that your saying. after all comes out you will see what you called paranoia to be true and what yous are going on about is actually paranoia and focusing on the wrong thing, which is the best club in Scotland

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Green Jhedi,

Believe it or not, I have no time for Leggat. The guy tries to come across as if he deals in facts and that he is in the know....but he ain't his blogs are purely based on his opinions and never on facts!

TTG

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@TTG; I dont doubt you mate,i have read your posts and you seem tuned in........green jhedi

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7. You are no longer a shareholder.

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16 May 2012 14:59:06
I must say I am totally fed up listening to the press in saying all these players will be made available for £8m, have any of them said that they want to leave, most have said they want to stay. There was a bit of bargaining by these players for taking a wage cut, and why shouldn't they have some sort of back up. I am sure that two or three will want to leave, that would have happened anyway, lets just wait and see what they think

RTID

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After june 1st does thier value not go back the original price anyway just like their wage ?

your absolutly right in what you say - agents and the media are just trying to stir things up but players have said theyd stay.

but it is normal when admin that when cuts are taken, players leave for a reduced fee.

ryanrfc

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16 May 2012 13:43:43
CONGRATULATIONS: Mr CheltBlue, your missus and wee ALLY, sounds fine to me man.
Think on it would be a night mare for wee lassies fae the dark side, Wee Nellie OMG. Lol....

A the best and good health to you and yours. RTB....

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My god! even congratulating the guy Lennon again. get help.

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Why would he "congratulate the guy lemon again"? We don't like (or rate) him much. :-)

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@2;Missed a comma, point was even saying cheers to the guy Lenny dragged into it again! Honestly it's sick...........green jhedi

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16 May 2012 12:44:58
Good Day Fellow Bears..

Well at least the bears that are awake that is.
Don’t you’s watch the news, you obviously read the daily trash, hence your post regarding the magnificent eight, all I will say is get a grip man, do you really think that your inability to work this one out is worthy of debate..... GET A GRIP MAN.

Save yourself for the real debate, coming soon to a form near you.................................

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With a rant like that the only debate on a form near you as you put it is the one your nearest and dearest are arguing over who signs to get you the help you so obviously need.As for getting a grip i should imagine that will become awkward for you will probably be restrained.Shaun H

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16 May 2012 12:20:58
Well bears Im pleased to announce my new arrival. Baby girl last night, get her home today. Mum doing well also. Another good day.Not sure if Ally is the right name though... ;) CheltBlue

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Congratulations to you both mate.All the best .. BlackpoolBear

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Many congrats mate

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AW! congrats mate,have a ball and good luck to you and the mrs.............green jhedi

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Congarts to you all from:
Rosehearty True Blue....

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Congrads mate hope all is well, be prepared for sleepless nights , fantastic news mate...
craig+babybear

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All the best cheltblue to you and your family

Bman

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Congratulation's,glad to hear Mother and Baby are doing well.pmttid.

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Congratulations Cheltblue, hope you are ready for some serious nappy changing and sleepless nights, but all worth it...
Timalloy

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Congratz

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Congratulations to you n your missus mate. All the best.
J1985

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Well done mate sort of puts all this football stuff into perspective doesnt it all the best for your family....mark

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Congrats on baby ,good name would be sonny,as we have brighter days ahead at Rangers,enjoy the sleepless nights,all the best,another baby bearette.

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Congratulations CheltBlue. Another Teddy bear,make sure you bring them up the "True" Rangers way mate.
Optimistic Bear

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Congratulations m8 why not call her HOPE we could all do with a little bit of that the now

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Congrats mate, some good news for a change.

quabba

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Lol congrats m8 i have a wee girl myself ally a fine name for her my gf had to to put the foot down when a wanted to name my wee lass walter

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Congrats M8 maybe for her 10th birthday you will be able to buy her the New Rangers Top with 6 stars on it

Lochaber Bear

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Congo rats matey and Ally is the perfect name. Now you have two reasons for sleepless nights.

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Congrats

Das Shadow

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Well done to you and your good lady ally cracking name kenny bluenose

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Congratulations to your wife and yourself my man and best wishes to you all for the future.Shaun H

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All the best to you and your family pal,another we bear up an coming.BLUNTRU72 LLRFC

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Very best wishes to you and your wife on
the birth of your baby girl. Julie Ghirl.

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Congratulations on the new addition.
Don

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Congratulations mate...by the way Ally is a great name , my 6 year old is called Alasdair but i call him Ally or superally and he loves it.All the best in the future to you and your family. R/R

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Congrats pal,glad to hear mother and baby are well.got my own due on the 30th of this month.
drumlad

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Some good news, and an identity revaled as well! Congratulations from McWulf.

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Congratulations to you all, have fun, fun, fun. EG.

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Congrats Cheltblue

J

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Well done to the pair of you, lang may yir lums reek
BB

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16 May 2012 11:47:40
Roll up Roll up place your bets
on the big SFA Appeal Hearing today

Likely Odds are :

No Decision made as it doesn't KO until
6pm @ 1/2 on

12 month embargo kept @ 4/5

12 month reduced to 6mths @ 6/4

12 month reduced to 0 mnths @ 5/1

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That's very decent pricing mate.

i'll have a monkey on the FAV

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Reduced to 6 months

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With Rangers threatening to call in UEFA to investigate SFA`s sporting integrity and AND alleged League fixing scandal 5/1 looks tempting LOL

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What price, we can spend what we bring in?

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I'm not a betting man but hey, this looks like fun. At 5/1 I think the wipe-out option looks attractive so a tenner on that.

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And why would they do that ? seeing that Mr Ogilivie and Mr Bain were involved in the EBT's and failed to report them to the SFA while working for the governing body i think it might drop Rangers in it even further .

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16 May 2012 01:50:35
The majority of supporters will stand behind anyone prepared to take our club forward.the negativity needs to be eradicated .let's show our hand and get behind these money men.time will tell if they have other agendas but no point on dwelling on the past.let's give them the opportunity to take Rangers forward.Best supporters in the world,let's prove it.

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Surely the point is who are the money men? Greens dates on a CVA dont add up either.....green jhedi

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As a tim with many gers supporting friends please do not insult people's intelligence by saying you have the best fans in the world.recent memory ie Manchester for one lives long in people's minds and is one of the reasons people apart from rangers peepul have little sympathy Vince from Morecambe.

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Vince from "Morecambe".
Never took me long to work out what's wrong with your post. The "Wise" part is missing.
O.B.

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Getting a bit dusty that line now GJ.
Look, there are plenty of Bears,all ordinary,hard working, decent people who have been,and still are bitter,embarrassed,cynical,and hurting about what's happened,and what could still become of our club. All these emotions are still raw.
The Rangers supporters have done their bit,and we hope the new owners will do their bit,and pay off some of the debt, If a cva is granted,then the creditors must be agreeable,if not then it's newco.But we'll just need to wait and see what happens. I'm not saying everything in the garden will be rosy, but what else do you expect us to do? Not looking for any understanding,nor sympathy from anyone,but this constant nonsense about paying your debts,Timmy will never forget patter,is wearing a bit thin mate.
At the risk of sounding arrogant(which i'm not) We've got enough on our plate at the moment,without worrying about things outwith our control.
All i want is my club to survive first and foremost, but creditors and other outside influences ,and agencies will decide our fate for us to a large extent,so give the guilt complex issues a rest for now.You have to learn how to crawl before you can walk. Gizza Break.
Optimistic Bear.

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@4; A touch of paranoia there O B? Would it not be prudent for all rangers fans to make sure this guy does have the backing he claims to? No guilt apportioned from me,guilt is or should be a personal thing,but can you really say his dates make sense? would you not like to know who and where the cash is coming from?..........green jhedi

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Still can't believe the Manchester trip keeps getting brought up

FFS a bunch of teenagers did more damage in 2 days of rioting than The Bears did!

bil72

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15 May 2012 23:16:16
Ed what's the score with Mr Green ...Souness claims he has never spoken with him full stop regarding buying our club , Souness only spoke with Brain Kennedy !!

The airport bear {Ed001's Note - I really don't know what is happening, I have been sick and out of touch. Still trying to figure out what the hell has been happening! Trying to catch up with it all is a bit bewildering when your head is not at its best. I can't believe how much it has all changed in just over a week.}

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Must admit it was a concern to me, that CG said he spoke to GS,then it was muted that the two had never met. Glad to see GS in the press today saying they did meet. If this hadn't happened, the alarm bells would have been ringing about Mr Green.
Still not totally convinced as yet, but we have to back him, as there's no other option. DR running story about certain players going for cut price deals,guess this will give us a clue to Mr Green's intentions,and commitment if they are allowed to leave. He's made a few bold statements lately, let's see what he does regarding Naismith,Davis and Gregsy etc.
O.B.

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On skysports website this morning, GS states that he DID speak with green....

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15 May 2012 23:54:08
Livvy were in the SFL at the time, not the SPL, they have different rules from the SPL ,rightly or wrongly, that is a fact.
Motherwell went into admin just like Rangers, and recieved NO punishment.
Any comments on that? or is it ''not the same'' because Rangers are involved.

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Absolutely correct, Motherwell got no sanctions, no punishment, and yet all that is forgotten.

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Yes you are correct . However bearing in mind Motherwell were indeed the first Senior club to face administration these rules were introduced to deter the same happening to more teams in Future . AND were almost certain to have been approved and sanctioned by all other SPL clubs AND none the less GLASGOW RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB!
Dish out the punishment ,then take the punishment !

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The rules have changed since Motherwell were in admin, rules that Rangers agreed to so deal with it.

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Rangers were part of the agreeing parties to put these sanctions in place . After Motherwell went into Administration 10 years ago. Talk about double standards not everyone is out to get you . What goes around comes around

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No such club as glasgow rangers jog on timmy

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What do you want - retrospective action against Motherwell and indeed any other club that's ever been in a financial crisis?

The rules were put in place following lessons learned from Motherwell and from similar cases in England. My home team (Wolves) went under back in the 1980s and received no punishment. But now similar teams like Portsmouth, Southampton and Crystal Palace have had points deducted.

Fast forward and there are things about the current Rangers situation that have never happened before. So rules have to be agreed rather than avoided.

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@5: it's mostly Rangers fans on here who don't know the name of their club so should they 'jog on' too?

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Motherwell went into administration not for cheating the taxman , oweing money to half the clubs in the league and breaking league rules , while in admin they were forced to reduce their playing staff and sell off assets within 2 weeks , leaving them unable to COMPETE , Rangers have been spared this , Rangers wrongdoings are 100 times worse and need to be punished accordinley

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