Rangers Banter Archive July 16 2015

 

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16 Jul 2015 22:16:22
I see a few people on here moaning about signing players from Wigan. I don't see what the problem is they have been playing at a higher level than the league we are in now and most probably a higher level than the spl

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16 Jul 2015 22:11:33
Hi Bears. Anyone have any thoughts on the signing of Jordan Thompson on a two-year contract?

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17 Jul 2015 08:49:03
I think it's a great signing.what gets me excited is he impressed that much he has been promoted to the first team squad.this is road we should have went 3years ago.hopefully warns can develop him then sell him in 3/4 years for a good profit

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16 Jul 2015 21:29:22
I see billy sharp is still up for grabs a very good striker thoughts.

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16 Jul 2015 20:51:09
I'd like to see a good experienced striker come in and a young European striker.
Get rid of Clarke.
Think Eustace would be good for us but don't know if that's dead now.
I've heard rumours on here about McKay from Wigan but I wouldn't like him.

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16 Jul 2015 20:36:47
Does anyone know if the Burnley friendly will be shown on TV?

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16 Jul 2015 20:59:39
I'd imagine that a bidding war has already broken out for the rights to that one.

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16 Jul 2015 22:41:22
Lol!

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16 Jul 2015 20:46:18
Is Kenny Miller injured? wasn't involved last night, Just wondering why?

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16 Jul 2015 21:41:41
To old mate

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16 Jul 2015 18:01:32
So does anyone no what the script is with young winks is that dead in the water since he never returned with the squad from london

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16 Jul 2015 17:50:00
We should have faith in the strikers that we have we are in the championship .we will be playing an attacking game we will make chances and I think gallagher, hardie, miller and Clark will hit the goal trail and play as a team I am happy with the signings and can't wait for the new season

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16 Jul 2015 20:49:14
Clark walloped 40 in this a league a few seasons ago with Queens, I still have faith that he'll come good!

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16 Jul 2015 23:56:05
Why does half of the people think it was in the championship it was the old division 2 (league 1) the gulf in quality between teams from the championship to league one is quite big

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17 Jul 2015 07:33:21
40 goals at any level impressive. butqueens of the south are a complete diff side to us. they sitback and counter where as we need to try and get past 10 men in there own box lpl

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17 Jul 2015 08:52:41
Problem with Clark is he is trying to hard.he was in and out for most of the season.now we have a decent manager hopefully he can work with him and try and calm him down a bit.i have no doubt the boy is a finisher so give him a chance. eh

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16 Jul 2015 16:26:04
A lot of armchair/laptop experts are on here and other media slating Warburton and King regarding our signing policy plus investment structure

Firstly Warburton has a set plan and type of player he uses to fit into that plan as seen beautifully at Brentford. He is the expert he knows what he wants and it is not important how much they cost as to are they what he needs for his game plan. How many multi million pound failures did we endure at Ibrox in 9 in a row tears from Prodan to Rosenthal and Flo. We wasted around £35million o a load of players that hardly kicked a ball for us or that were totally rubbish when they got a game. not fitting in to the team.

So Warburton picking 11 players that work together in his plan means he will sign exactly what is needed not what the fans want to see signed to fit their remit of their type of player Rangers need.

King and the 3Bears will be funding 50% of EVERYTHING at Rangers from losses currently to stadium refurb , youth set up rebuild, scouting system and of course the signings plus wages for those signings. This comes to multi millions and is being roughly supported to tune 50% by fans via season tickets EXACTLY as King stated.

The lack of patience and basic understanding of Warburton's game plan plus King's business plan is absolutely astounding. Even more so due to the fact we are 2/3 weeks into pre season and 2/3 weeks into the signing window. We have/are signing 5 players plus 3 youth development highly rated players. All fitting the Warburton mould and he still has 5/6 weeks of signing window left.

What more do you doubters need done to shut you up?

I for one am over the moon at everything I see to date in particular the coaching set up of 4-3-3 system from the youngest kids to the first team, FINALLY a European coaching structure as opposed to kicking balls at bare arses and stuffing faces with cake we had for 3 years and countless youth players lost (Telfer and Robertson being 2 glaring examples) this is fantastic for our future Alex Ferguson did EXACTLY this at Manchester Unite and look how their set up produce great players.

Onwards and upwards . with patience.

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16 Jul 2015 16:42:43
What Robertson are you on about if it's Andy Robertson he started at Celtic

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16 Jul 2015 16:52:28
KT ----if you look at any of my previous posts you will see that I am a Dave King believer.When he brought in the WW management team I was delighted. Your post is absolutely spot on ------- there will be bumps along the way but we are ,once again, on the right path.

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16 Jul 2015 17:01:27
King and the 3Bears will be funding 50% of EVERYTHING at Rangers from losses currently to stadium refurb.

Any proof of this? Or do you just believe everything Dave King says?

You do know he said he would sort out a NOMAD, be listed quickly on ISDX etc?

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16 Jul 2015 17:47:48
KT, this is probably one of the most ridiculous posts, ever. Your whole financial appraisal is crap. You only fund up front, then you invest in your company. Our company [ our team ] is being funded by us, the season ticket holder and, possible some advertisers. Also it is nothing to do with our manager's game plan, but quite simply DK has put hee haw into the kitty.
As Naz says, it is easy to make any statement about our club's finances while the account is in the black [ via season ticket money I may add, and not having any listing in any financial market.]
What surprises me is John Gilligan, as he is on of the most up front businessmen I have ever dealt with.
We are being led a merry dance by DK, under the umbrella of being a ' Ranger's man.'

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16 Jul 2015 18:08:40
Come on bluenose,KT is a real expert.None of your armchair/ laptop nonsense there.

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16 Jul 2015 19:58:50
kt u are 1oo% correct that's the exactc position at ibrox billy how do u make out the season ticket money and some advertising revenue the season ticket money at best may come £7.2 m that money is less 20% v a t £1.44 m leaves £5.6m if u think that plus some advertising and some gate money if things are going well u are further of your trolley than I thought

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16 Jul 2015 20:54:37
WULL, after I managed to decipher your post, I have only one response-------- I hope you are not an accountant.

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16 Jul 2015 22:05:09
billy the arithmetic is spot on because a t comes of the the top line but if as u say u can run rangers on season book money and some advertising money (your words) I will speak to my friend at ibrox to get u the position of finance director but for u to suceed loaves fishes and 5000 spring to mind

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16 Jul 2015 22:15:45
billy j giligan would not be there if there was any doubt about what king and co were promising and what they done can it not get through that what ing and the bears are doing is the only way to run the club or do they do it your way put £30m int thisyear spend it and nothig for seasons to come and end up like third lanark behave man whatever reason you have against ing and the bears put it to the side and support the club and the board or are is that beyond you

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17 Jul 2015 07:34:18
Maybe if flo had played in is correct position he wouldn't be seen as such a bad buu. Bear in mind did he not get a goal every 2 games? Would love flo right now lol.

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17 Jul 2015 21:01:46
flo scored quite a few goals basically when b o s took the sh,,,,, flo had to go

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17 Jul 2015 22:13:35
They have already funded £1m a month for the losses for the final 3 months of last season. Naz, Rangers were £8m short of breaking even last season with 24,000 st holders. Do you think we will break even this season, no chance, 30,000 ST sales doesn't even fund 50% of the years running costs, so unless we expand Ibrox to 65,000 we won't break even. That's without transfer fees or any wage bill increases. Get real man we need these guys to invest to just get us through the season, never mind anything else. Just because King and co havn't announced how much they will spend all you conspiracy theorists are having kittens.

The balance sheet will tell me and the other shareholders how much at the proper place the AGM. Any dummy knows we needed £8m to get through the last season in this league and even if we are lucky and ge 35,000 STs sold the guys you love to decry n slag will have to prop us up to the tune of £4m, so stop looking a gift horse in the mouth, who else is going to do it? Ashley? Aye in exchange for every asset this Club took 140 years to build up, no thanks mate. Don't judge the guys after 4 months, its pathetic.

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16 Jul 2015 16:22:47
Bears is it just me or are you fed up with players constantly on news/media/social networks/twitter having their say on ever single thing involving Rangers?

They come out with such banal and repetitive rubbish constantly, they are footballers for god's sake not business and admin experts yet they voice their limited ability opinions on everything if a microphone or a tweet is directed towards them

We have not even started the pre season properly far less the season yet we are inundated on media forums and the press with countless players both current and past feeling the need to get their opinion heard.

In particular it is annoying when wasters like Law and Wallace are extolling the new regime and how they are aware NOW of how to play football like they had no idea before and everything will be different now, they were terrible most of the season and woeful in the p[layoffs I hope they shut their mouths and act on pitch but honestly prefer they are both binned asap, old regime and old attitudes stick I see nothing particularly in Law that will be good for Rangers. The younger players are a different matter they are not as stuck in their ways and I hope Warburton's masterplan coaching wise can transform all the younger players.

Stop mouthing off start playing on the pitch it is you job

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16 Jul 2015 19:45:22
what would u say about new manager if u were wallace and law? he is rubbish don't think so somehow

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17 Jul 2015 22:15:32
i would shut up and play football Wull

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16 Jul 2015 15:40:53
I have stated my doubts, previously, about DK's intent and I think we have a situation developing that might clarify this. Obviously our new manager wants a right back and has approached Wigan for Tavernier. The first offer has been refused [ no details to hand.] A straightforward bidding battle with Rotherham, so unless Wigan are being unreasonable, we are being sold yet another dummy by DK.

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16 Jul 2015 16:13:42
Wur dooomed. I have said before there is infrastructure issue at Rangers. Money is being put in and work is ongoing in various departments bb . Get out there and support the Bears , there is an air of confidence with the players about the future. A blend of good manager and good hard working players is what is required at the moment. Just look at the job at Norwich. Same team new manager.

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16 Jul 2015 16:34:25
how do u make that out billy same old tune my reading could also be correcct warburton placed a value on tavernier the club have bid that the name of the game is value for money not enter a bidding war with rotherham to the benefit of wigan

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16 Jul 2015 17:59:11
WULL, kindly open your mind-set to the fact that we have a manager with set ideas on the type of player and formation he wants. I also accept that a bidding war is not the answer, but we are talking about a player surplus to Wigan,, having been on loan to Rotherham, so we are not talking about the next Messi. All I ask is keep an open mind and don't get sucked in, yet again.

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16 Jul 2015 19:40:11
billy if the manager says the player is worth £200000 we bi £150/200 wigan ask for £300000 whether rotherha bid whatever if maager says that's his valuation then that's it u can't blame ayone for not paying anymore billy I have an open mind but at the minute I am quite happy with the way things are going if it turns out the board has been leading us up the garden path and if evidence existed then that's the time to give them pelters but I am touch regularly with someone who nows the exact positioon finanially so as I say I am happy at the minute quite looking forward to the start of the season there will be gliches but with as many new players that's to be expeted

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16 Jul 2015 15:37:38
Why do people say if we don't sign a striker hibs will run away with it . we will have a solid team that all know there job in the team hibs have signed from Scottish championship and we are signing players that could play in the English championship a better standard . we will make plenty of chances and be hard to beat

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16 Jul 2015 16:25:12
It's fine and well creating plenty of chances but we need a striker to put them away you can't rely on midfielders all year

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16 Jul 2015 13:01:46
Why are people going on as if vuckic ain't good enough because he had bad games against Motherwell . There wasn't 1 player who had a good game against them . We have brought in 4 players and people think the other players are good enough . The 2nd half of last season he was our best player by far

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16 Jul 2015 13:24:45
I agree! . He was a standout in the 2nd half of the season and actually carried us for a while. I think if he has some decent and determined players around him instead of the deadwood from last year then he would flourish!

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16 Jul 2015 13:44:19
Vuckic wouldn't fit into the new layout of the team. He's an attacking midfielder, from what i've seen we aren't going to need a player who can only attack.

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16 Jul 2015 15:41:55
I've been quite critical lately about Vuckic and I think it was because of the displays against Motherwell, but then, as somebody pointed out, all of them were mince in these games! Don't get me wrong, Vuckic did make an impact when he arrived and he has good technical ability, maybe a little slow. I think he would definitely add to the squad, but I wouldn't be too disappointed if he didn't sign - if that makes sense?

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16 Jul 2015 12:40:19
i see lots of posts saying we need to get a striker. Why?

We have Miller, Clark, Shiels, Hardie, Stoney, McKay, Templeton, Gallacher.

All of the above are at least as capable as what we are liable to find as a freebie so why bother? give them the chance that should come if the service is better that we had last season.
In my opinion, all we need is to get Halliday and Holt signed up, and get a recognised right back, and that would do for me for this coming season. Remember there is always January if we need it.

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16 Jul 2015 13:07:50
Is this a trick question? To score goals is the answer. Half the players you mention aren't strikers and the rest either disappointed last season or are still unproven. I wouldn't like to risk seeing Hibs run away with the league like Hearts did this year and then hope to catch up from January.

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16 Jul 2015 13:52:28
kfraser - they may have disappointed but they are still on the books, which half are NOT strikers by the way? Templeton and McKay are the only ones not to have played in a striker role last season,
Remember WHO we are, WHERE we are and WHY we are there.
These players ALL need to be evaluated by Warburton, and given a chance if they show up well in training, otherwise why do we have them? As warburton said himself, its a squad game and as such they will all be given a chance, you can't say fairer than that!!

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16 Jul 2015 14:27:35
Wee Bill,

I think you are almost right. I think some of these boys should do ok in a decent team (Miller, Clark, Shiels).
However I would worry that they all may still lack a little in confidence and we need some more competition up there also. Added to that the fact that none of these offer much in the way of power or strength it's still an area of focus for us I think. I noticed the boy Waghorn MW was looking at at Wigan was a big powerful lad and is the type I mean.

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16 Jul 2015 15:50:59
I take on board all the above comments, but can't help feeling we still need an out and out striker. A younger, fitter Boyd type who will guarantee 20 to 30 goals a season in the Championship. I think most of the players mentioned above will certainly be able to do a job up front, but I can't see any of them being prolific enough. I think we are going to be playing football the right way, keeping the ball on the deck to play through the midfield with wingers hitting the by line. We need that instinctive player in the middle like Boyd (as he used to be) or, dare I say it, McCoist, to be in the right position to finish off. Just my opinion.

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16 Jul 2015 11:26:29
I am relatively new to the site and from reading various posts a lot of people are going on about DK not puttin in the cash he promised etc. It's my opinion that he is going to invest, but there is no point sinking 8.5 to 10 million into a team to then need to invest more money again once we are promoted. I think they are playing it smart! Get us to the Premiership with as little money spent as possible and then invest millions to Keep us there and make us competitive! Then we can push on the actually challenge. So I think the buying policy right now is what we need and the the new youth policy will yield results!!

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16 Jul 2015 11:44:45
I agree with that dave1872 I don't see why we need to throw money at everything to try and win a league we should be comfortable in winning/getting promoted from. the guys we are bringing in I don't know a lot about but I believe Warburton and weir know wxactly what type of players they need and are going the right way about it. i'm confident this is us turning the corner to getting back to where we should be

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16 Jul 2015 11:25:45
Warburton to open talks with halliday over next day or so, ideal category of player we should be going for scottish/gers fan and has good experience at english championship level easy sell on value of at least £1.5/2mil aswell. Futures bright, futures orange

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