Rangers Banter Archive July 16 2013

16 Jul 2013 15:54:58
Ed001 wondering if u can answer a couple of quick non Rangers related questions. I use my mobile for these sites so it's harder to get on the proper site & when I do the other links aren't there like the European football rumours. With you being a Liverpool fan I thought you'd be the man to ask. I like to take an interest in the high profile moves so If Liverpool sell Suarez to a team outside the EPL which I think is the most likely as I don't see Arsenal/Chelsea forking out the asking price. So say Real Madrid would he still need to serve his ban for his wee biting incident? Or even part of the ban I remember a players ban being halved before when he moved country recently I can't remember who though right enough?

2nd question is regarding Christian Erikson I'm very fond of this player & I see he knocked back Bayer Leverkusen there do you see yourselves as front runners or is it a case of waiting on probably Luis moving on to free up the funds? Even though he's not a striker & obviously that position needs strengthened if Suarez inevitably moves on. He's just a guy I'd love to see more of & I think Liverpool would be perfect for him & him perfect for the club. Erikson Gerrard & Coutinho pound for pound would be one of the top midfields in the country in my opinion that said its no use without a top striker. Any info would be appreciated mate.

Larky Bear {Ed001's Note - it would be up to the English FA to inform the Spanish FA of the existing ban and then it should be still existent. They are both within UEFA and it would cause a lot of controversy if Spain did not hold him to his allotted ban.
Liverpool have been keen on him for years, he prefers a move to Spain himself, but as none is forthcoming, it is perfectly possible he does end up deciding to join us. Personally I wouldn't bet on it though, not with Liverpool having no European football to offer next season. Personally I hope he doesn't join, he is not that good in my opinion. He just hasn't improved over the 17 year old that burst on the scene. I do think he needs a move to revitalise him, a fresh challenge, just not sure it is with Liverpool. Personally I would rather have kept Suso for the season, who I rate massively!}

Cheers ed thought there would be grounds for the ban to stay I'm not too clued up on UEFA rules. Iv only seen The lad play in a handful of full games be it club or country but he was always stand out. I spoke to a few Ajax supporters in Amsterdam earlier in the year & they absolutely adore him. At 21 there's still bags of potential & room for improvement I'd just love to see a player like that flourish in the EPL. I was going to mention Suso he's a rare talent but did say a couple of quick questions lol. I don't understand BR loaning him out any pundit or comentator I've listened to when I've saw him play share your views and mine cracking prospect. Wish all the best for your team this season it's high time they get back to there best. PS if you get 2 posts like this I apologise I didn't think it sent earlier at work not that I was doing much of that lol.

Larky Bear {Ed001's Note - I love Suso, he has something special about him as a player, the Spanish youth coaches at international level all build the team around him, that says a lot to me. He loves to get stuck in too, never shy of a challenge, he relishes the physicality in English football. I don't get the point in loaning him out in Spain. As for Eriksen, he has a good touch etc, but it is easy to look great in Holland, and he doesn't look great, just good. I would rather go for Fischer from them, though that would be about potential rather than his current ability.}

16 Jul 2013 11:05:04
I know my posts last night were not very popular & the page seems split between people who think the finances are sound & others who are still worried. I just personally cannot trust anyone at the moment Murray was a well respected business man & look what happened there. Green & Ahmed are not & they are still there. There power hungry pretenders & to think they care about us is naieve. They care only for the Cash & we Rangers fans are an everlasting source that's proven. I hope Craig Mather becomes good I really do like the guy better than previous CEOs but I won't turn a blind eye & think all is Rosy just yet. Also I don't buy the Walter & Ally won't sit back and watch the club get into trouble. It happened already do you trust them to speak up before it's too late? Ally would spend 20million today without batting an eyelid & Walter was the same our policy is all wrong has been for years. Walter bought Jelavic when we couldn't afford him then jumped when the sh@t hit the fan. Ally Tried to sign Cousin while in Admin and were offering 7k a week how stupid was that? Yes the guys at the top are to blame for that but Walter & Ally were the same as us too big to die ideology and you are getting that into your heads again. Like Green said Ally & transfers is like a woman with shoes there can never be enough. We cannot justify 30 odd players when some of them just are not good enough yes there free transfers & yes it's good business to get them in now to guarantee successive promotions & cup runs, doesn't change the fact there on too much money that could be increased season after season like Sandazas deal no one knows. There's deadwood there that we will seriously struggle to get shot of like Cribari, Argyriou & Black there wage thiefs Mathers said some must go before more come in I don't even think Naismiths away yet so how can Pandza & Moshni come in I think one of the 2 would be adequate for this season & I'd like that to be Moshni but it's not a necessity there's loads of defensive players there a whole team worth & we will manage without him I'm sure of it. My main point last night was before everyone hammered me is this team is probably still the 2nd best in Scotland & is certainly the 2nd highest wage bill with the right guidance & minor tweaking it should be good enough to lead us back to top 3 in the SPFL & get a run in a cup or all 3 before then no doubt. let's see how things unfold in the coming months but I do not think for a minute it's plain sailing maybe I'm just paranoid after what we've been through & I'd love to just get back to talking about football but until we see accounts & the club starting to turn a profit or a very miniscule loss I can't sit back & watch without voicing my concerns. In a ideal world we should have no worries & just turn up at Ibrox support the team like days of old but there's always going to be this element of worry until we're back in the Top Flight. Il be there supporting the team, buying the strips & whatever else but I just do not believe we are out of the woods yet there's certainly some shady characters within making a killing off our backs & that sickens me.

Larky Bear

Walter sold kev Thomson and Danny Wilson and released Boyd and novo to pay for jelavic whilst keeping a league winning squad. We sold jelavic and lost naismith to injury so can excuse ally trying to get someone in. I personally would have not gone near cousin whatever state of play was. At Time we were still in a title race althoughfalling away very fast

My thoughts exactly. Perfectly worded post, thank god someone else still sees it this way.

Well said mate

GordyBlue

Larky spot on, you talk lot of sense, rough year, but still need care.

meanwhile on planet mcmudo other side are crumbling under debt mountain ( 1/3 of ours) and our finances never better ( ignoring we have billionaire running us and not putting in a penny).

silly season returns to haunt us.

Your right Larky there is still so much wrong. The stadium repairs are going to be a major problem financially. At the end of the season once again huge bonus payments. Then at the end of the year green and his associates will dump there shares giving control to who?It seems as if buying the car park and Edmiston house was some kind of payment to Murray. Finally to all the blinkered all ia well crowd. Malcolm murray had to pay a six figure leccy bill! This does not happen if all is well.

@1 that's fair enough but I just don't see any title chase or title winning squad that was worth liquidation mate. I'd be happy to support a respectable club struggling on the park over a team struggling financially through trying to buy glory with money they don't have. If that makes sense.

Larky Bear

All posts make very good points and the sentiment and concern are valid.
Only point I would make is that we are all very clever with hindsight but very few were shouting from the sidelines when David Murray was pleading for investment from the fans and markets (which his company underwrote) back in 2006 and we all just expected him to keep paying the bill. Few of us showed any foresight right up to the point of administration. Do we really think that this only started affecting the team in the February 2012. my guess is the whole squad and Management new in November 2011 there was something not right.

Bottom line with all of this is that we need to support Glasgow Rangers Football Club - good or bad just like the Hearts fans are currently doing and we have done for the last 2 years. This will take years to stabilize and get the right people in charge of the club.

LB.
Think you're being a bit harsh on Walter and Ally. It is fairly obvious that SDM was in sole charge of the cub's finances. Whatever dodgy dealings transpired Murray was at the heart of it through his company MIH who did the accounts. The debt was being reduced with AJ and the bank runningthe club which resulted in the debt being brought down to 18 million. The Overhyped BTC caused the downfall, as everyone panicked including the bank. Ally never had any significant money tospend, neither did Alex Mcleish before him or Walter. There is no way IMO that eitherof them would knowingly put Rangers at risk. The blame lies elsewhere.
P. O. B.

@5. Fair enough, but I do believe that any professional had the right to expect the best possible tools to do the job expected by those in charge. Sdm craved glory, European success etc. He went cap in hand to Walter to come back and take the top spot back from Celtic. Why should Walter say yeah ill give it a go with no money and little chance. Wreck my reputation when I'm currently Scotland manager. The owners run the purse not the modern day manager. If the club can't afford to sign a player its up to the owners to say no. Enough is enough. Also in the last 2 years or so of ws tenure we were selling more than buying. At one stage the whole squad was up for sale. Did Boyd not turn down brum?

Very fair post @6 & at that point in time in 2006 I was only about 14 lol I had my season ticket & 2 strips a season then that's how I supported the team with not a care in the world mate. I will support the club in everyway possible & it pains me that our only supporters groups could not find there @rse with both hands. I hope we band together properly this time if things go too far it kills me to know how tight a grip Green has on the club at the moment & how we let that Rat Whyte away with what he did. Duff & Phelps have a lot to answer for also. The truth will all come out one day I hope.

Larky Bear

I knew what I said about Walter & Ally would go down wrong I think Ally was a champion throughout Admin & everything else but I do feel he kept some important info from the fans & tried to get us all behind Whyte then Green. It's just the silence through everything that annoys me from Walter the guys are 2 of my Heroes & always will be but they must have known more than they let on & the way we've supported them for 20 odd years I felt we deserved the truth we all know it hurts don't spare us it's still going on now. That sleekit fecker jabbas only there to hide us from the truth that kills me too. I'm well aware SDM is to blame for most of our downfall but I do feel now he's in the past doesn't mean he should get off scot free but my only concerns lie with the state of the club in the here & now.

Larky Bear

Larky Bear - I find it hard to get behind anything you say after you appeared on the Celtic pages declaring that you believe we are a new club! Please confirm!

@11 because he is an honest fellow who will support any club that wears the blue and plays their home games at ibrox!
Larky Bear your posts are always honest and a good read so I say keep it up and rise above the knuckle draggers who cling on to the WATP garbage, and are happy to shaft hundreds of creditors and still believe the club is bigger than these poor souls who some of them may have lost their livelihood due to the goings on at the old club!
Keep it up LB!

Can I ask you unnamed poster if the shoe was on the other foot & Celtic ran up huge amount of debts shut up shop bumped the creditors. Started a fresh the next day & had to play there trade in Division 3 would you accept that was the same Celtic that won the European cup & a record amount of Scottish Cups? I'm not going to drag this on if all was the same we wouldn't have liquidated does it make me any less of a fan does it f@ck do I support Rangers more right now than I ever have bloody right I do! Has it made one difference to how I feel when I step into Ibrox & see those fans in red white & blue supporting the team not a chance. Rangers have lived on solely through us. New club or new company can't be @rsed with this anymore it is what it is & I'm following on not walking away i'm forever grateful I still have a team to support some people forget how lucky we are, that is all.

Larky Bear

16 Jul 2013 08:41:26
its great to see the spl held in such high esteem again. what with all our "star" players going tothe ist or premier in england and all coming back with thier tales between their legs. it just shows you we get carried away with the standard of football here its extremley poor. Goodwillie, kevin Thomson, Boyd, McFadden, McManus, all free and unwantedand our so called superstars who left last year are not exactly star players either. most of them are either getting skelfs on the bench, wearing sits in the stand or on loan at brighton.

McArthur, Maloney, McCarthy, Snodgrass, Dorrins there's five for your five.

What about other players who have made it? Snodgrass, dorans, McCarthy, MacArthur etc. wee bit of a one sides post.

Still amazes me that some gers fans seem to enjoy the failings of players and Scottish football in general. It also seems to me that those same gers fans are convinced that the state of Scottish football coincides with the fall of RFC. The quality of football in this country has been falling for years while gers fans were happy signing gazza, laudrup, et al. You should start being part of the solution and not a constant part of the problem

You are very selective with the names you have chosen, what about James McCarthy and James McArthur.

I’m not for one minute suggesting Scottish football is fantastic however in days gone by we have seen the likes of Kenny Dalglish etc very much succeed in England and Chelsea were not long in coming in for Islam Feruz

Its not just all about succeeding in England anyway. The year Celtic won the European Cup, Kilmarnock were in the semi final of Europe’s Fair Cities Cup and Rangers were in the European Cup Winners Cup Final (defeated 1-0 by Bayern). All 3 clubs were made up of mostly Scottish players and Celtic were all Scottish. I do not know where these days have gone, well we do, money, Old Firm dominance and buying foreign players. England U21’s have not been performing well at all but then the EPL is now full of foreigners at the expense of their own (this is just my general opinion)

I get fed up with all this doom and gloom about Scottish football I support Celtic and you obviously Rangers, Scotland is where they both play and will for the foreseeable. Sometimes I wonder why fans bother turning up on a Saturday when all they have to laugh about is players failing in England although, I would not call picking up an EPL or Championship wage failing.

Incidentally, I can never remember any of the players mentioned above being called superstars.

Scottish football probably is at an all time low, at least in my lifetime. However, you will forgive me for having other things to smile about other than the 30yrs old Stephen McManus signing for Motherwell. Good day to you all ~ Mrs E

Justifies why rangers would not pay over the odds for goodwillie then

JG

16 Jul 2013 13:23:26
Sounds like another sour grapes rant to me, give it a rest. didn't seem to spoil the enjoyment of winning all those spl titles. Or is it just a coincidence your slating the spl when we happen not to be in it?

@ 5. Dundee United and more particularily Mr Thompson their chairman wouldn't entertain Rangers' bid because he knew full well that they were insolvent. Fact.

3) and 6) who is enjoying the fact that Scottish football is crap? Not any Rangers fan that I know. But nevertheless it is crap. Please don't blame Rangers signing Gazza and Laudrup for Scottish football's woes. I would point out that at the time Tommy Burns had a great Celtic team.

If Rangers were in SPL we would be like Celtic and signing all foreign players so the Rangers plight may be the catalyst to improve the game. We will have to blood youngsters.

As usual you seem to think that we are all slating the SPL because we are not there, petty nonsense!

If either of you think that the top league is good then you are clearly deluded. It has never been worse.

And more will return soon like ex rangers superstar whittaker, naismith the diving cheating one with the big mouth, not to mention the overated hutton dropped from every team he has went to and equally overrated mcgregor less than 1 million transfer to hull haha. I could go on to davis who the media loved danny wilson who the media loved, and majid bougherra he's doing well.

To 8. The tone of the OP, comments across a range of football forums, daily moans from gers fans at work and neighbours is evidence enough that, as my original comments at 3 suggests, some gers fans; at no point did I say all gers fans. However as you point out no gers fans you know think like that then i'll assume you agree that there are some gers if you follow this and other forums like it.

With regards to the comment re gazza, laudrup etc I am merely attempting to raise the issue that when SDM began his ill-fated journey to liquidation he sanctioned bank busting deals on foreigners, such as Flo for £12m, which led to a strategic change for scottish football away from developing home grown talent. That is not an attempt to blame the state of scottish football at Murrays feet. On the contrary I am trying to get gers fans on this forum to understand the state of Scottish football collapse has been on a downward spiral since the days when of both celtic and gers fans were demanding high profile signings.

Therefore your final comment regarding slating the SPL cause you club isn't involved doesn't have a basis because I for one never heard any negative comments from gers fans when your club was involved in the SPL.

Feel free to comment further mate, that what these sites are all about, but please try to maintain a measure of realism instead of burying your head in the sand.

MB

@10 great post mate!