16 Jan 2012 23:27:16
Why are people still supporting Whyte ? How many lies do you need to hear ? How many false promises do you need to hear ? How many embarrassing court cases do we need to have against us ? How many bad reports from failure to produce accounts to failure to pay bills do you need to read about ?
This man can only make money if we go into administration and that is what he is waiting for. He us a "venture capitalist", the clue is in the name. He could not care less if the name if Rangers is dragged through the mud. He is no knight in shining armour, he is just a business man who needs to make a profit.
Never again should any one person own Rangers, no spiv, no venture capitalist, no liar. Time for the fans to let the world know what Sir D M and Mr C Whyte have done to business that is an institution, a great club, a club who have lost fans in disaster and that good name is being dragged thru the mud
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16 Jan 2012 23:10:11
just a lighter thought guys to take away from the serious tax case - taking a quote from todays scottish sun, jorge claros has gone on record as saying he's been "blessed by god" after coisty handed him a trial. changed days eh, 30 years ago he would have never got near ibrox with those comments !! lol
james rfc 1980
30 years ago? 30 months ago more like.
Hope the boy gets a chance.
What do we have to lose really?
Charli3
As long as turns out to be a good player then thats all that matters at the end of day indeed
james rfc 1980
16 Jan 2012 22:44:30
UEFA Rankings 2012 just been released.... Rangers sit at a lowly 47th while the Bhoys who play all the lovely football sit at 61st.
Says it all
5 millionaire at Celtic park
How many at rangers?
Says it all
Lenny
...........and what have these 5 millionaires done for your club in the past 3 seasons?
It's all gd gloating about having multiple millionaires at your club Lenny but only 1 of them parts with his millions, albeit very rarely.......
TTG
Lenny money doesnt win anything its the team spirit that counts the best advantage
Is that the same 5 millionaires that signed robbie keane on loan to win use the league haha our club has got no money were still the champions
They do spend money but spend it wisely.
How much debt have Celtic have ? Under 1m? Hearts,Aberdeen & rangers have ? Bearing in mind we haven't won the league in 3 years got a new team & gave TM a golden hand shake ?
No bad for a club with 5 millionaires who have next to no debt ?
Let's see how this tax case ripples rangers
Lenny
Celtic have money cause they don't spend any, only transfer money coming in gets spent, penny pinchers always will be.
Penny pinchers ? Offffffft pot kettle black ?
Tell me this will whyte give ally the whole transfer money to buy a new team ?
Aye thought as much,least we can afford players & don't ask them to pay their way into the club.
Honestly rangers are giving the spl a bad name with their transfer saga.
Lenny
Spl rankings just been released.the bhoys who play the lovely football sit in first place.rangers dont.simples
In that case Celtics recent 1-0 victory means even more...beating a team ranked so much higher and also 2 points clear of them in the league! Thanks for that stat.
Hows many CHAMPIONSHIPS LENNY
Lenny I wouldn't worry about the "how many championships" question. First of all several of Rangers championships are tainted as a result of cheating the tax man. 2nd point is when the tax man has finished with them and the new company starts up they will have 0 championships! rangers as you know it is about to cease to exist in about 12 weeks.
16 Jan 2012 22:41:18
If you think about it Craig Whyte is doing the right thing by holding back all his money until after the Tax case. This way he will have more money to work after what ever happens to rebuild Rangers into the best team they can.
Please mate, wake up and smell the coffee. This ain't going to happen.
When are you going to realise that Whyte does not have any money, he is not holding it back because he does not have any. His total worth is £18m. Probably mostly in assets and not cash. So how can he spend £2m on a player. He is there to take us through administration and the will walk away with a healthy profit. The sooner the better
Lolol !
Hmrc know every penny whyte owns. Hmrc honestly have so much power it's unreal,even if whyte took out 10m & gave it to someone to keep they can just about track it.
Whytes skint & using rangers purely as a money maker !
Lenny
16 Jan 2012 22:30:39
Sir David Murray, "I am a custodian of this club, my job is to leave the club in a good condition". What a failure. Here we are on the eve of a potentially devastating case that could quite seriously put us into administration. This is due to the shoddy dealings of our previous owner.
"I will only sell to somebody who has the finance to take Rangers forward". What a failure. He has sold to someone who clearly doesn't have the finances to take us forward.
Murray should be hauled over the coals for his period at Ibrox and hope he is feeling thoroughly disgraced, because he should be. In fact if he had any love for the club he should help out with the mess he has left us in. I know it was fun at the time, but it certainly was not worth this situation? However I truely think he could not care less, he is out of it and could not give a damn. He is the worst thing that has ever happened to this great club, and should go down in history as a disaster.
We talk about Whyte being an asset stripper, well Murray is the one who sold the jerseys literally, god he even purloined the car park out of the clubs ownership. However I am afraid he may well be a mere novice to what Whyte has in store for us.
David Murray has a lot to answer for to be perfectly honest about it, business man i understand, but the way in which he and gers parted was very dissappointing to say the least - a sad end in fact
james rfc 1980
How can anyone disagree ? You probably think he did a great job, remember that when we go into administration
Murrays only crime was spending millions on players,stadium and training facilities,bad legal advice (ebt,s) and his head stuck in moonbeams are the reason rangers are in such a mess,fans demanded success ....murray delivered...too many fans forget this.
Is your definition if success going into administration?
So the 9 in a row era wasnt a success?was it murrays fault that folk wouldnt put their money where their mouths where when he had to underwrite 50 million quid with regards to the share issue?your lucky if 2 million quid was raised,back then too many talked the talk....just like whyte does now.
That's because not many big business men / Rangers fans trusted him with their money. Just look back to Joe Lewis and the rest that lost a fortune.
16 Jan 2012 22:30:25
Right I have been reading on this for quite some time and in alot of the posts say that edu is are week link. i would like to no what edu has done wrong and infact edu has been one of rangers best players in the past couple of weeks?
He passes the ball to the players in the other team.
16 Jan 2012 21:58:38
Does anyone think we will actually sign someone or are we getting the old smoke and mirrors again ? Interested to hear what u guys think ??
16 Jan 2012 21:47:28
McGregor
MacMillian Goian Bocaneg Papac Bedoya Edu McKay Kerkar
Jelavic Hemmings
Anyone think this team is worth a bash, i think it def is, 9 internationals, GIVE THESE BOYS A CHANCE ALLY!!!
Thank Christ your not the manager
Hemmings is pi5h
16 Jan 2012 21:16:26
If Rangers lose the tax case they will go into administration and have liabilities of circa £89m.
1. Craig Whyte has a first ranking security over Rangers assets and is due the first £18m.
2. HMRC will be awarded circa £49m, including fines.
3. The debt in the accounts to 30 June 2011 is £14m.
4. Other creditors £8m.
Secured creditor first which is Whyte, preferred creditor second which is salaries etc and unsecured last. HMRC are unsecured creditor since law change in early 2003, should be nought left for them. This is the current set up, if we go for insolvency.
Whatever the order of creditor is, Rangers liabilities in the case of administration will be £89m.
F..k what a doom monger, we all know what could happen,
You can't have an owner/director of a company going into administation as being the main creditor lol!
the first chunk of money paid out will be to hmrc, for numerous reasons. then the rest of the clubs debts will be negotiated to something like 10p for every £1 owed, then the wages get paid. craig shyte will not get 18m, he's more likely to be in the 10p in the pound bracket.
To the above poster who stated:
"You can't have an owner/director of a company going into administation as being the main creditor lol!
the first chunk of money paid out will be to hmrc, for numerous reasons. then the rest of the clubs debts will be negotiated to something like 10p for every £1 owed, then the wages get paid. craig shyte will not get 18m, he's more likely to be in the 10p in the pound bracket."
You are partially correct in what you say, but the bottom line is that Craig Whyte gets £18m and he gets it before HMRC or anyone else.
Craig Whyte does not personally own any shares in Rangers FC (the football club). Craig Whyte has a 100% share holding in Liberty Capital, which has a 100% share holding in The Rangers FC Group Ltd (not the football club), which has an 85% holding in Rangers FC (the football club).
Effectively Craig Whyte controls 85% of Rangers FC (the football club) through this structure of company ownership.
As part of the deal to take over Rangers FC (the football club), The Rangers FC Group Ltd (not the football club) took over the £18m debt from Lloyds Banking Group. In taking over this £18m debt, the first ranking security that Lloyds had over Rangers FC (the football club) was transfered to The Rangers FC Group Ltd (not the football club).
This means that in the case of administration The Rangers FC Group Ltd (not the football club) get paid the first £18m of Rangers FC's (the football club's) assets and due to the company structure detailed above, this effectively means that Whyte gets this £18m.
This is all a matter of public record which anyone can verify if they look.
16 Jan 2012 21:05:15
sandaza would scare away every female fan he looks like a halloween ghoul!
16 Jan 2012 20:48:13
People should get off Edu's back, the last 10 games edu has probually been our most consistant player, it must be hard for the boy pulling on the shirt every week knowing he can do no right in some peoples eyes!
Take it u never watched the game on Saturday? He couldn't pass the ball 2 yards at times every counter attack broke down at his feet, he us rubbish
Was it edu alone who dropped all they points 11 players in a team, its in the name team not one a side.
The clubs about to go t*ts up and all you can moan about is Edu. Some people really need to think more.
16 Jan 2012 20:46:36
if we are to look at the season as a whole thus far then i would have to say that even though we went out of europe which was terrible, and the falkirk cup loss, which was even worse, the main thing has always been the championship at the end of the day, and to be honest despite the fact i havent been really convinced with gers, i still feel that we can win the championship. being the eternal optimist that i am my call for the season is :
celtic (both the league cup & scottish cup)
rangers (league winners, again - only just!!!)
james rfc 1980
This was not the view of the club owners. A European run was of paramount importance to generate cash flow at the beginning of the season, and this did did not happen. As both the winners and runners up of this season's SPL qualify for the Champions League qualifiers, the league was of secondary importance.
The same club owners who didnt pay the going rate for the type of quality who would have made a difference then i take it ? they cash aint there and unless you are willing to spend the readies then you aint going to have any prolonged run in any european competition
james rfc 1980
We got put out of Europe by pub teams. That's ally's fault not whyte's. We were too negative goin into those games.
Johnger
Agree with you, but surely whyte has to carry some sort of responsibility for the euro failure by not giving the manager much needed funds. though, on the other hand we should still have had more than enough to get through either one of those ties, but what im trying to say is that it is getting harder with each passing year to make an impact on the european front with early season qualifiers, especially against opposition fully into their respective domestic campaigns
james rfc 1980
The class of player we have was more than capable to beat those two teams in Europe. It was all down to Ally and his tactics.
16 Jan 2012 20:01:06
What i dont understand is why we need a other midfielder! We need a right back and a striker. All these rumours coming up about Sandaza and O'Conner. Are we going to make a proper move for a good striker that will bang in goals? Right back position could be easy done if that boy Jaager impresses. Maybe we will see what will happen. Still two weeks left in transfer window.
Rory
Right good striker, are we having a whip round this Saturday to buy him. Whyte has no money!
PLEASE, Would people stop mentioning O'Connor, we may be desperate but we cannot have sunk to the level that we are interested in a player who cannot get a regular run out in an awful team.
We really do need a mid when did you last see a rangers centre mid drive forward and hit a shot on goal not since Gazza or Barry untill he got told to start passing the ball back the way all the time its funny with dick and big alex barry drove forward and scored goals soon as walt gets him its naw sit and pass it backwards, he goes down south he gets to do what he does best drive forward, i make this point because we have done the same with davies he came as an attacking mid now mr pass back gazza
16 Jan 2012 19:38:57
darrell king was asked a straight forward question by a fellow rangers fan on clyde 1- will rangers win the tax case? to which darrell replied NO! I know that some folk on here don't like journalists but darrell is one of a very few who really knows what is going on at the club and i have no doubt that if says we will lose the case then that is what will happen. however he also states that in his opinion the tax bill won't be as severe as the £49million doing the rounds!
The general thinking in the finance industry is were prob gonna get hit for25-30m. prob enough to put us in admin when you add our own debt to it.bad but coulda been worse! blueforyou
Didn't realise he was the judge in the case ?
The actual liability itself will be less than half the oft quoted Revenue "calculated" figure of £49m. By the time they lump on seven years' interest and charges on everything you get to a cloud-cuckoo-land figure the judge will never find for even if/ when the case is lost.
Ed .. clarify this for me and i hope im wrong in saying this
if we go in to admin due to debts
its a points deductions the minimum of 10.(why did dundee get 35 docked last season) also would it be a three year ban from playing in europe? {Ed014's Note - Yes. Dundee were docked so much for repeat offending. Each case is looked at individually.}
I know we would lose alot if the tax case goes wrong but would it be so bad we could start again go down south get out of spl which come on is poor and we are paying good money to watch dross when we could be paying same money in time watching good attacking football else were, we still be glasgow rangers just under a diff name ???
Well the spl is up in the air if rangers fold , sky states their must be rangers and celtic in the league or the sky deal is over, and then what for scottish football.
The name is 140 years old and whether you like it or not we play in Scotland. Are you suggesting we launch Rangers Orient or some crap,and who is going to support them , are you going to London every second week, no you are not and neither am I. So rangers orient would mean nothing. 140 years of greatness and history cannot be allowed to die
What utter rubbish
sky have no say in who plays in the spl
The man who pays the piper calls the tune sky can not decide who plays in the spl but they will decide what they are prepared to pay for a league without rangers would be the death of Scottish professional football
I said rangers and celtic must be in the spl together or there is no sky deal thats in the contract.
Agree with you m8 thats what i was getting at.
16 Jan 2012 19:06:11
why did craig whyte buy rangers if he is not willing to put his hand in his pocket to get super ally a new striker so we can win the league.so far he has not spent a penny and a striker is a must as we can not expect jelavic to keep scoring all the goal himself.if we loss the league the only person to blame in "whyte".
Tax case was always a barrier, nothing to do with whyte, everything to do with Murray, Bain and the other motley crew. Whyte was clearly looking for Euro money, to many people quick to jump on whyte when Murray is at fault, whyte currently the only game in town. Nobody else was prepared to touch us with the tax case looming and if we lose is only going to get worse. Support the team first and foremost and deal with the aftermath later.
16 Jan 2012 18:35:26
Breaking News
Dorin Goian visited HMRC today. Turns out they owe Rangers £49Million
Followfollow81
If only mate.
How long did it take him to get there - 4 hours. One of the slowest players I've seen in a long time.
Lol... great original post ..... watp
So Wanyama let him out for a day then?
16 jan 2012 18:26:56
i think ally's not sure about the two on trial today so once again i ask did he target them or was it the board and mr smith who want them cause they'll be cheaper than ally's targets.
Its a conspiracy Ally McCoist is a puppet, Gordon Smith picks the team and Martin Bain makes the subs give us a break man
WATP
Larky Bear
Ally needs to tailor his wants to what we can afford, he needs to try and find cheap players because that is all we can buy at the moment, if he is looking at multi million pound buys he is delusional, don't keep on blaming Whyte for the state of the club.
Martin bain working in subway! no wonder he wants to screw us over! blueforyou.
16 Jan 2012 18:02:13
I can't believe Davis made the team of the week in the s*n today and aluko didnt, do these guys actually watch the games? Aluko was best player on the park by a mile on Saturday.
It was a toss up mate between the two, both played well, davis has now had 2 games on the spin that have been more like it and we need it more than ever right now.
james rfc 1980
Aluko was far better that davis as were most of the rangers players. Davis does nothing
16 Jan 2012 17:36:06
Our fans are actually quite smart in coming up with great songs.
I thought the song "Boca-Bocanegra is so much better than Madjid Bougherra", was quite catchy, done to the tune of Copa Cabana, although I relly don't agree with the statement yet.
Bocanegra has been our best player over the last few games along with Aluko, and wow these two weren't even playing for us last season, looks like Super Ally is actually doing a good job after all.
What a crisis we are in, beating Motherwell 3-0, beating Arbroath 4-0, who are second in the second division aren't they, whilst Celtic beat the second worst ream in the UK 3-0.
Lost a 15 point commanding lead in spl, chasing a now 2 point deficit, out 2 european cups and lost in league cup 1st match to 1st Div team, Super Ally is actually doing a good job after all.
Bocanegra is already better than bougherra. Bocanegra won't get caught with his heid up his jacksy on a "look au me, look at me" fc hollywood executive swan up the park for no reason. Under-rated distribution too- his long diagonal for Jela to score from right off the bench at Tynecastle was a cracker. Next season's captain- make it so Super.
If mccoist is such a tube, why are we only 2 Pts behind you, by the way you have won nothing yet and only proceeded in Europe due to a dodgy decision after being outclassed by a dodgy team. Typical Celtic fan, celebrates winning the league at the halfway stage. Come back in April and celebrate 2nd place again, you know you won't though.
No1 has celebrated winning the league, sion cheated and lost, u cant cheat to win as you lot are finding out the hard way with your Tax Case for bumping the queen yous all love!
16 Jan 2012 17:29:39
So Mcoist is going to let Fleck go on loan to free up wages?! I give up. Flecks not amazing but he's a decent player. I'd happily sell or let go of Ortiz, Weir, Bedoya, Broadfoot, Whittaker, Edu, Mculloch and Healy!
All this coupled with the talk of Mcoist being desperate to hold on to Edu!....mate, he's sh*te!!
What a b3llend you are, fleck is goin on loan because ally wants him to gain experience and get games under his belt and hopefully come back twice the player, as for broadfoot and ortiz im pretty sure he is looking at getting them out the door, its not so easy selling broadfoot wen he is inj eh! and if any 1 has watched ortiz we will struggle to give him away, as for bedoya he's young and not played much and had time to prove himself the jury is still out on him, but honestly lay off edu he has been good lately and him and davis r our best centre mids at the moment!*ksd*
Broadfoot has actually played very well (even though he hasn't played many games)... Agree with the others though, they have been pretty **** :/
Broadfoot played well! Watch games have you been watching. First game of the season against Hearts never marked his man what happened, goal 2 dropped points. St Mirren which has to go down as a belter, cme off the bench we were winning, posted himself kissing they scored 2 dropped points. Killie game wasted every attack. Then his last appearance, old firm game he gets out jumped by Ledley. Sorry for the rant but he is woeful and hold never have been bought, should never get played ad should be on the first bus out of here!
The others haven't had a chance, Broadfoot been there for about 5 years and has got worse!
16 Jan 2012 17:28:38
Rangers fans on this site need to step up and get behind the team. I was at the St Johnstone game at the weekend and the atmosphere after Rangers scored was electric. A crowd of around five thousand actually sounded louder than a fifty thousand strong crowd at Ibrox.
The last poor game we had was against Celtic and after that have won the next few games. Beleive me, had Wallace's goal been scored at Ibrox, the referee would have given it and Celtic would have no legitmate complaints.
So instead of giving the referee and linesman a break, by saying, "it wasn't even clear in the action replay", how about you start encouraging the players and showing more confidence in a team that, in the majority, won us the title last season.
Age old thing about the away support always being more vocal i guess. the one thing about us bears is that if the team need stick we give them it, sometimes we can dish it out too quickly right enough, but we are also in the main fairly realistic in our assessment of the team and other things i think
james rfc 1980
16 Jan 2012 16:59:47
We should have signed the Indian guys, as we could have bagged 2 , 6 million pound players.......it would have been Rupees, but who gives a f***, we could have counted that!!
16 Jan 2012 16:20:54
It is being reported that Sally let Fleck go "to free up wages" I look forward to the HUGE marquee signing Rangers will bring in on Flecks great wages ha ha Timalloy
We are all Celtic Tax Payers
Agree with that mate,, was told the same today from a journalist that Fleck is on 8k a week.....why else would they let him go when we are so short of cover, and Bedoya, McKay and Ortiz are actually behind him in the que
You have to work as more than the site idiot to earn income.So paying tax counts you out tim.Shaun H
16 Jan 2012 14:43:25
I don't usually post on this site but, I was just viewing some of the posts and Gers fans not being too happy with the way we are playing right now.
Take a look at the next five to ten games in the SPL, right up until the Celtic game and then see where we are going to finish this season, none of the fixtures that I see should cause Rangers a problem. Who knows what form Celtic are going to be in when we meet them in March. I know it is easy to say that now but two home games in a row, win both, Rangers spirits will be way up.
Also, watching BBC got me very irritated when I heard them saying Rangers scrapped to a 2-1 win over St Johnstone, or words to that effect. What was the Celtic score again, oh that's right 2-1. They didn't say that Celtic scrapped it. Does it really matter if you score a goal in the 80th minute to win 2-1 or if you are winning 2-0 for a majority of the game and then loose a goal. The score is still the same and they were playing at home.
Also how long do you think it will take for another stiker to come in and play regulary and score goals for Celtic if Hooper leaves? Does anyone really think Stokes and Samaras can lead the line for Celtic and be consistant enough throughout the rest of the season, highly doubtful.
The papers seem to be full of Hooper just now instead of Jelavic, makes a change. Does anyone really think the paper talk is going to help Celtic or Hooper in their next couple of games?
Aluko and Jelavic were great in the last game and despite scoring an own goal, Bocanegra has been like a rock at the back, and had he scored that goal against Celtic that skyed over the bar we would still be leading the SPL and if the goal wasn't dissallowed, we would have been up 2-0
Here are the next ten SPL fixtures fellow Gers, lets keep cheering them on and getting behind them at every game.
Aberdeen - (H)
Hibs - (H)
Denfermline - (A)
Kilmarnock - (H)
Inverness - (A)
Hearts - (H)
Dundee Utd - (A)
Celtic - (H)
Motherwell - (A)
St Mirren - (H)
It's exactly the same teams that Rangers lost a 15 point lead against.
We also had nothing to fear from St Mirren (H) draw, St Mirren (A) Beat, Killie (A) Beat, St Johnstone (H) Draw, Celtic (A) Beat and scraped two odd goal wins v Dunfermline and ICT (H), but your confidence is honorable, so i look forward to 30pts out of 30 from these p*** easy fixtures.
At this moment in time we have no reason to think any of these games are gimmies, especially when we will have suspensions during these games. Which is a bit of a worry as I dont think we have been anywhere near a dirty team, yet we have more bookings than any other team, more than double the bookings celtic have, It must be great to have Lawell on the sfa, mabe Whyte should join the sfa too.
I had a quick check of celtics next 10 games...I couldn't believe it..they're playing the same teams!
Are you craig whyte? theres no point thinking what celtic do its up to us.if your being honest goian shoulda been off,i agree a boca is a class act,wallace is shaping up well,n sasa is always reliable(pushed for saints goal i thought).apart from bocas chance at parkhead we created nothing,no disallowed goal talk plz it was a freak that even with tv evidence you couldnt call it.the worry is being outplayed by killie,st mirren etc n dont even start about inverness at home when we coulda lost 5.yea always support the team but lets not gloss over the fact were not playing well,and theres a disturbing trend of shipping young players out on loan.the tax case has deffo a reason for the transfer policy but if we didnt have aluko we would still be struggling to create good chances.in the games you list inverness,hearts n dundee utd on the bounce will be crucial coming b4 the celtic game 9 points from those puts us in a good place for that one.we gotta be honest with ourselves cos theres nothing coming out of ibrox thats positive at the moment. blueforyou.
Lol lots of if's and buts in there chief ! not havin and go mate and fair do's for havin the optimism that you do, however that lot are in a far stronger position than we are just now ... if they sell hooper it will be for silly money and they will also get that money to re-invest. We need to face reailty and see that we havent got a penny to spend on a player and were even struggling to get them in for free, onyl way players will be comin in is if players go ie jellyman, we should get good money (wait and see the form he hits in this transfer window !) however i think if we get 7m for him ally will get 1m absolute max to replace him .... until the tax case and Whyte era are done with thats what we are looking at. However if we can still win the title then i for one will not let our little green neighbours forget it ..... EVER ! im telling you if we take this title there will be braggin rights for a LONG LONG time !!
Germinator
You sound like one of " them " with all your hysteria !! Who gives a flying **** what they do, or don't do ? I don't ! Yes, win our next few games and get a run going, but we are needing to find a settled line up first. And the possibility of losing key players in the transfer window is a reality. We need to take it one game at a time and not worry about that shower, win every game 1v0 and we'll win the title................ It won't be easy
"and had he scored that goal against Celtic that skyed over the bar we would still be leading the SPL and if the goal wasn't dissallowed, we would have been up 2-0"
Ok how stupid do you think that statement is?
I didn't realise that grammer was that important on a Banter board, I thought that encouragement of the team that you pay to see would be top of most peoples priority list, instead of criticising a statement made.
Here is the statement if you didn't understand the first time ,If Bocanegra had scored Rangers would have been winning 1-0, and had Wallace's goal not been dissallowed we would be winning 2-0, simple enough.
Besides, why does every person on this board give the referee and linesman at Parkhead a break before they give the players a break, the majority of whom won us the title last season.
Beleive me if that Old Firm game was at Ibrox, Wallace's goal would have counted.
EVERY match is posed with its own difficulties. the most important thing is we get behind the team as that is every rangers supporter's responsibility. come on lads, one game at a time, an old clichy but thats all we can do.
james rfc 1980
You are an idiot and I'll make this clear so you can see how stupid your statement is...if samaras had scored his penalty at ibrox last season Celtic would have won the league...the point is he didn't and the rest is history...have you not seen the billy Connolly sketch where he's talking about the football and the moron behind him shouts "if that had gone in it would have been a goal"... You don't say! Clear enough for you now?
Same as if the referee hadn't given a penalty for Stokes had he not blatantly dived in front of the Celtic fans.
I'm not a big fan of Billy Connolly, but I do see your point, football is all about, ifs and buts. If Rangers hadn't lost that game against Dundee Utd in the last second at Ibrox, we would have won the title earlier.
With Wallace however the point isn't that it was close, the point is that it was a goal. "If that had gone it it would have been a goal". The ball did go in, so it was a goal, therefore 1-0 Rangers, but it was at Parkhead so what do you expect?
Going by bears logic......
yeh, and if every celtic shot went in the score would have been 15-2!
tube
I've still not made myself clear...have I? I don't want to be rude now because I'm getting the feeling your about 10 years old. you can moan, complain and argue 'what if's ' until you are blue in the face...the point is you can not change the result.
16 Jan 2012 14:42:56
heard alot of people talkin about craig burley yesterday hes anti rangers always has been same wi davie provan and andy walker . if kayal had done what davis done it would have been great play but cause it was davis it wasnt in the right place . i actually watch the games wen am not at the games with the sound off cause there all anti rangers always have been
I don't like Burley either, but he did not criticise Davis for where he took the free kick from. I think you're hearing what you want to hear.
He was critical of the referee for allowing it
That's because he took the free kick from the wrong place, if it was st johnstone that took that free kick from wrong place we would all been unhappy, I think burley is different to proven and walker, burley is just fed up way the standard of football in Scotland as I've heard him take the piss out Celtic players before, he takes the piss out samaras goal record, walker is the worst by a mile my sound goes onto mute when he's on. I also think mark hateley is very bias the other way
Imo john hartson is very fair and wouldn't mind him in the commentator box
So he should be, listen to the toothless wonder properly and you will find he is anti Celtic. His comments on the Rangers game where fair enough
Why are folk making a big deal out of Rangers first goal at the wknd? The ref should have played advantage anyway plus players attempt to take free-kicks in different areas from where the from where the foul takes place....
Also, I didn't hear Craig Burley say too much about the blatant foul on Papac in the build up to St Johnstones goal.
TTG
16 Jan 2012 14:41:58
With all the unique happenings at Ibrox just now, here is another First! When was the last time a guy in a BOWLER HAT was not welcomed at Ibrox?
LOL Timalloy
When was the last time you posted anything funny ?
About 14.41pm today LOL Timalloy
16 Jan 2012 14:22:51
are we going to get an update onthe Tier 1 tribumal started today?
16 Jan 2012 13:51:21
Anyone saw or heard anymore of 2 of our targets Juan Manuel Martinez & Uchebo? 2 great looking players and excactly what us... and the SPL needs at the moment. Would be a great coup if we could entice these guys to come to the CHAMPIONS.
PS... All the best to Jorge 'the pitbull' Claros & Jaager on your trials... Step up & play Men.
16 Jan 2012 13:33:04
Anybody tell me what has happened to them Indian boys we were went to be getting on trial??
Rory
They were on trial last month and they were mince and got sent back home!
Apparently they were well of the pace in training n a bounce game. ally was not happy cos russell or smith brought them in n he knew nothing about it. a mate jst phoned me saying salihi is in glasgow goin to celtic for talks. you heard anything ed? think this guy could have been good for us. by the way fleck on loan? whats happening here. blueforyou {Ed001's Note - that seems to be correct about Salihi, or at least Celtic are talking with him so it could be his reps as I haven't personally seem him myself! As for Fleck, they are hoping the spell with Blackpool, away from the pressure of Glasgow and the Old Firm, will improve him. Though some think he is there as a sales pitch, so to speak, but that is their opinion rather than definite info.}
They were rubbish and were sent home
They were pish and out of their depth. Sent back to India
They were actually at Ibrox when we were away playing a friendly in Hamburg........class again from us...
Think the sales pitch might be right but the offfield rumours never stop wi this boy! wish somebody would explain whats the point of murray park? this was the next big thing n he hznt devoloped it seems.feels like adam mk 2 here.said before ally worries me seems he just iznt gonna give any youngsters a go.if aluko hadnt stumped up where would we be now? maybie its all down to the tax case,hope so. blueforyou
They were actually at Ibrox when we were away playing a friendly in Hamburg........class again from us...
They were denied visas so couldnt get into Germany, hardly Rangers fault
Blueforyou...where would we have been if we hadnt stumped up for aluko?probably 2 points better off after he played a killie player onside at their goal,then again,he did con the ref into giving a penalty in the 2-1 win over the pars,then again you would still be 2 points behind.
16 Jan 2012 13:03:02
All the talk over the weekend in the daily rags that Rangers offered Sandaza a pre contract was Crap. His agent has confirmed. But do we expect anything else from that lot? Anything to sell the daily rags.
On another note By the end of January Rangers will have had more men on trial than the Old Bailey lol.
Followfollow81
In that case your manager is a liar...Ally was interviewed and said they had made a pre-contract offer and he then called Steve Lomas to inform him of the development....so is Sandazas agent lying or was Ally lying?
Ally was on tv publicly stating that Rangers wanted to sign Sandaza on a pre-contract and that he (Ally) had personally telephoned Lomas to inform him of this. Perhaps it is Ally that is talking crap. {Ed001's Note - that isn't saying an offer has been made though. It might be just that the offer is still being prepared.}
Hey FF81 we all know your media relations people put out more propaganda than happened during WW2, how are you going to pay for ANY new players? Timalloy
We are All Celtic Tax Payers
Aluko can pay for the transfers lol.
FF81
Ed this is a quote from ally mccoist McCoist said at the time: “He’s a young player we have looked at in recent months and he has impressed us. He’s one that we would like to come here. We have made an offer to the player’s agent and we are just waiting on feedback and hopefully that can be agreed". {Ed001's Note - oh ok, I hadn't seen the quote, was just assuming from what had been said on here. Interesting that the two contradict each other.}
16 Jan 2012 12:44:36
Afternoon Bears, I just walked past Ibrox, could not believe how QUIET it was, then it hit me, Silence was caused by everyone at Rangers HOLDING THEIR BREATH ha ha Timalloy
I would love to see u hold your breath timmy .... for say around 10 mins !
Clown
It would be quiet at IBROX we train at murray park, I thought even a man of your Knowledge would have known that, but al tell you something bet it wasn't as quiet as your midden on saturday when united scored you's were awe keeking your drawers
NTYABOW
Ha Ha its back.Its taken you since your porker on saturday night and you come up with that .You certainly rounded on us
Use are laughin but what have use spent this summer a free transfer another right back use have 4 right backs good cover i suppose haha they cant all play .use dont have any money either thats why use havent been linked or signed any1 ur squad isnt good enough to win the league a few additions for us and it will be 4 in a row watp
Wonder what this ballloon will have to say when the tax case is done,hes put so much time and effort into it.quite sad really.
16 Jan 2012 12:08:22
I know we have a history of signing injured players but a guy who has been shot in the HEAD??
Good luck to him on his trail i like him already.
Gazza 72
Gazza 72, I've followed Jorge Claros and Enar Jaagar career and and since I first heard of them way back last Thursday lol. I think the more likely to sign will be Enar Jaagar but then again you never know. They are a gap to fill now that Fleck is away to Blackpool. With the boy that has the nickname Pibull he might be the player we've been missing in midfield. A bit of aggression we have been lacking.
Followfollow81
The papers blew it out of proportion, he was shot in the shoulder.
16 Jan 2012 09:33:14
Loads of people saying guys like O'Connor, Sandaza, Skacel etc aren't Rangers quality. Bottom line is these are proven SPL players who would do a job for us. We're not living in the Gazza/De Boer days anymore and that's our level.
Look at the mess we've gotten into through living outwith our means. I'd happily see us buying proven SPL talent on the cheap and possibly selling them on for a profit. Guys like Naisy, Boyd, Aluko, Novo, Thomson were all bought from other SPL clubs and have done a great job now and in the past.
Guys like Skacel, O'Connor and Sandaza aren't world class but would still do a good job in the league
Aye but when we signed boyd Thomson naismith Whittaker n the likes they were all young talented players what age is o'connor now 29 or sumthin sandaza 27.
Put it this way see if rangers had the money like Celtic (not saying we're millionaires) do you honestly believe rangers would give these guys a look ? Naismith etc were all young when they went to rangers not these guys hence why sandaza said he won't go for cheap as he proberly knows rangers wouldn't batter a eye lid at him if rangers weren't skint
Lenny
16 Jan 2012 09:07:04
Tax Case resumes todays bears fingers crossed. Decision not expected till March so another couple of months of waiting.
Billyboy1
Hopefully we hear something on how it went and how we are positioned. Want this finalized asap!
I have my fingers crossed as well....I think i'm looking for an all together different outcome though.
There is also an appeals process within the system, so even if a decision is given in March, the case may drag on if either Rangers or HMRC decide to appeal the decision.
Rangers could appeal but HMRC can demand payment immediately.
16 Jan 2012 07:53:34
The big difference between rangers and Celtic is they deem to have a long term plan but we seem to not know what's happening day to day, they seem to have loads of young players who have good sell on values we seem to be buying players with no sell on value, I.e. Boca, goian, mckay, healy etc. We are at least 4 to 5 years behind them
I always thought rangers had the better youth system than Celtic up till now? Only player that I know of who came through the ranks at Celtic was mcgeady ? Rangers had a few ok Wilson went to Liverpool & now he's at Blackpool but you always saw rangers with youth in their team where as I didn't see it really with Celtic ? Just my 2p worth.
Really think tho rangers fans on here need to wake up & smell the coffee? bring back players from 4/5 seasons ago ? Really waiting on a post about either gazza or mccoist to lace the boots up lol
Youth is the way forward put it this way if Celtic & rangers sold there starting 11 who would make the most money out of it? Which at the end of the day it's what's both teams need
Lenny
But were still Champions
Big difference between rangers and celtic ,,rangers have been champions 3 yrs running celtic have not
Lenny - what about James Forrest.
Who have they got comin thru the youth into the first team james forrest ? that dylan mcgeogh or somethin thats it doesnt seem to be workin that well . but danny wilson alan hutton charlie adam barry ferguson thats just a few and we have the likes ness wylde hutton cole , fleck if he gets a run in the team all scotland under 21 internationals apart from hutton i think. ano cause we have no money and have to bring them thru but apart from forrest they no scottish full inernationals in there team . point proved i think
16 Jan 2012 04:42:58
Bring back Kevin Thomson.
Far to injury prone!!
AG the Realist
16 Jan 2012 04:32:56
I dont think anyone understands the situation that Rangers are in at this moment. But if it was up to me i would bring back Lovenkrands. Easy and cheap solution, boy had a great scoring record against the monkeys. No brainer for me.
John Sutton as well. Could be a bit of a risk but it would definately be worth it. Better than sandaza anways.
16 Jan 2012 00:00:11
OK, before i get shot down, i don't think Kyle Hutton or wee Fleck are top drawer, but we have Laff,Naisey, Whitts, Broadfoot all injured, big Jig is just about done....Ortiz,Bedoya, McKay can't even feature against Arbroath, and Fleck also featured before them (and played very decent) against well.....so how the f*** can we send both out on loan, when we are so short with injuries, and Ally obviousley thinks Ortiz,Bedoya and McKay are all sh***......i'm really really struggling to get it anymore.....i also think Ricky Foster would have done us a right turn with his pace down the right hand side, especially with Whittaker and Broadfoot out.....went to Bristol City for 250k....we coulda done a lot worse than sign Foster, and don't give me the 'Rangers class' p***...that's starting to annoy me, when you look at what we have and what we've signed. Give me an example please....of a Rangers class player we could sign thats going to cost ''nothing'' because if we can't pay 300k for a 'target' (Sandazza) we must be looking for players for nothing.....total embarassment.
Stick up a reply if you disagree, it's all about opinions, why click disagree and say nothing?
What is rangers class?
Exactly....that's what i posted...what or who is Rangers class, that we can realistically get
With Broadfoot getting games over the years then anyone is Rangers class because he has to be one of the worst.
Nowadays rangers class basically means free with tiny wages. as for bedoya, mckay and ortiz you pay peanuts you get monkeys....K
I find the fleck thing really strange we can hardly fill the bench and we are putting him out on loan
Fleck is a better player than hutton, now that is a fact!
Fleck will end up playin brilliant when hes out on loan, realise how much better it is for him to be playin every week n not want to come back to the gers.
Burke went through a similar situation, although he saw more game time than Fleck, and look at him go now. he's one of birminghams top 3 players. It's simple we are scared to play good players with flair.