Rangers Banter Archive February 16 2012

16 Feb 2012 23:18:31
really do feel sorry for the boys in blue going into administration. You are a massive club with a wonderful history full of great players, managers and fans alike. I would hate to see you fold. So lets all get behind them!

C'mon Portsmouth!! Bigirishmac

Portsmouth a wonderful history , just cause its better than yours doesnt make it wonderful....

16 Feb 2012 22:56:10
would just like to urge all bears to be out n force for rest of season . full houses everywhere n show the rest of the world how amazin rangers fans are n keep head held high watp!!

Amazing how easy you have been duped.........green jhedi

Why didn't u come out against Dundee Utd before the sh.t hit the fan and show the world......DH

I don't get why people keep goin on about the attendance against utd. If there is a cup game that's on tv the attendance is always poor at both ibrox and the piggery so I don't see the bog deal.

16 Feb 2012 22:42:51
We the Rangers fans must make sure this never happens again to our club.
The review of all aspects of this fantastic club needs to be thought about before we embrace a new leader or group of leaders. I for one am not qualified to know the workings of a football club, but Mr McCoist and Sir Walter Smith know how to win and have Rangers FC in there blood.

So where do we go from here is the big question. Paul Murray and the blue knights ? I like lots of others think Mr Paul Murray is a good prospect and appears to be a Rangers man. But I can’t be sure as I know very little about him. What I would say I worked for a very good guy who had a wealth of about 20 million, this guy is a season ticket holder and rangers daft.
but more importantly he is a fantastic business man. Every venture has been
Golden. He has invested well and saved well.

I have often joked with him about pumping his cash into the Rangers and the stock reply was no chance of any return on my cash. You would have to think
Why can a club who can attract 50 thousand punters every 2 weeks and sell
Millions of strips all over the world not be a profitable business.

I think for way to long large sections of this business have been out sourced
Yes outsourcing is often a good way to save costs and streamline you overhead, however I have major concerns when we start selling off parts of our business in advance of the cash being in the rangers tills.
Ultimately we are borrowing against something we don’t have a present and this starts to become a loan to pay a loan.

I think Rangers need to have a sustainable base on overhead. We need to attract players to Rangers because we are a winning team not because we can pay very ordinary players vast amounts of cash. The business model of 20k 30k per week for average players at best is not sustainable.

I was working on a new house about to be purchased by on of the Rangers player a few years ago. This chap had just paid 900k for this fantastic house. He had just signed for Rangers from a team in Paisley.

I am sorry at best this lad would have been star in my secondary school team or a good 1st division player.

Back to the investors, business men with cash don’t invest without a wanting to see a good return, so Rangers needs find people who at present know there cash is needed to keep the club going. This is why the fans need to be able to invest because we can put cash in leave the cash in the business as a strong base. If the overhead is kept to level where we won’t put the club at any risk. I don’t want to see us hedging our bets on £10 million champion’s league cash so we can sign 2 or 3 guys. If we don’t have the cash don’t sign them.
I am sorry to say this but we need a mentality change at Ibrox. I want to win the league every year but never at any price as we have done for to long in the past.

I am going to the game on Saturday and I will be taking my son for the first time to see the glorious Glasgow Rangers as my father did with me.
This made me very sad at the thought my son may not be able to take the next generation of our family to watch the Gers. Let’s protect our club for all future generations as I could not begin to tell you how wonderful the last 32 years have been following this fantastic club.

Yours In the cause.

Ally is backing Whyte to the hilt a major mistake and after this is finished he will have to leave major major mistake by ally stay for now but go when its overwith

Thanks mr murray,s gardener brought a tear to my eye,sniff garlar07

Dont make the same mistake your father made . Let the wee man make his own mind up........Stevie

A lot i agree with there,but a lot i dont think is right.raising young players is the only way forward for celtic or rangers.lennon has bought very wisely with a very young team who have great resale values and in that respect i think we are miles ahead of rangers,this might become wider if you dont start on that path now. hope your boy enjoys the game ,its a special day for a dad to take his son for the first time,i know..............green jhedi

16 Feb 2012 22:26:04
I see some Rangers fans talking
about new name for club if the
worst happens, can I please, in the
interests of clarity and fairness say
to you all that Rangers from Tuesday
there have a new name it is
Rangers Fc (IN ADMINISTRATION)
please quote this title from now on.
Thank You Timalloy

Dear ed; time to stop the bile from the tim lad. do it mate please! {Ed001's Note - that is not bile. Bile is the disgusting replies I have to read through from some of you who should be ashamed of yourselves. This is just banter and completely inoffensive, unless you have severe issues of your own, in which case that is your problem sorry.}

What a tube!

Manus fullerton come on down ,this is all ur fault,bite the bullet.

16 Feb 2012 21:59:01
Sir David Murray,the last emperor of Rangers,built it up,and his vanity has brought it to its knees,but it shall rise again.in Rangers we trust,nobody else will do

Viagragers 2012 good name we will rise again garlar07

16 Feb 2012 21:41:14
Interesting comments from celtic
(we don't need anyone thanks, doing nicely by
ourselves)
Peter Liewell -
BBC interview - a quote
Rangers are awaiting the verdict of a long-running tax case that could place the future of the
Ibrox club in doubt.
But Lawwell says the eventuality of their Old Firm rivals going bust
"would have no material effect on Celtic".
"We look after ourselves," Lawwell
said. "We don't rely on any other club.
We are in a decent position,
we're very strong."
BBC sport.
Neil Lennon celtic manager - Twitter account - speaking about the Administrators press conference -
Meanwhile, Celtic manager Neil Lennon indicated that he was less than impressed with the media conference, writing on his Twitter
account: "Well that press conference was clear as
mud. Every question body-swerved."
Just got to get your neb in eh Neil?
Just got to laugh at him - a spokesman for celtic.
Iam Legend

Think you have bigger things to worry about than what Lawwel and Lennon have to say....like how ur gonaget to the league games against Peterhead next season

I am alloa and i cant wait to meet you next season bring it on

Ok alloa.
Iam Legend

Sorry about that Mr Bankier, but I've never had gonaget. Is it tropical?
Iam Legend

Ridulous post that last one, been told time and time again Gers not leaving the SPL. Ger4ever

Oh so you are the mythical creature, thought youre kind were extinct~Craigyboy

16 Feb 2012 21:30:59
lets hope jim mccol(billionaire)and tom
hunter(billionaire)join forces and come
to our rescue along with other bluenose
moneymen in our hour of need.
WATP

16 Feb 2012 21:22:53
To all those who think all rangers supporters are to blame for this tax mess,get a grip it is one person CRAIG WHYTE and only one person as he simply chose to collect the PAYE from the Rangers employee's but not sent it to HMRC which is why they wanted to put Rangers into administration. As far as the other possible tax bill is concerned at the monent we have not been found guilty,but on the basis that we are found guilty then once again one man DAVID MURRAY is totally responsible and this is why the Rangers Supporters want to make sure that this never happens again. The ordinary supporter has no idea about what money is getting spent and where and how,that is handled by accountant's or should be,and finally if some company gives financial advice that in the longer term is deemed to be wrong then it is not a question of trying to cheat it is a question of being given very bad and expensive advice which then becomes a penalty that has to be met,and this club will meet them.

Totally agree mate some people seem to think fans are responsible and should be empyting our pockets for the tax man we didnt pick whyte to run our club our crime is we support the rangers .

Rangers fans are not guilty its not a crime to support your team,but you should have bin asking questions months ago garlar07

Whoever wrote this post should put their name down, most sensible one I've read in a long while.

GoldCoastBhoy

16 Feb 2012 21:10:48
If 6 players were to be released who would you go for ?

Broadfoot, Alexander, Mervan, Bartley( as he isn't ours anyway) , have to say because they dont get played Bedoya and Mckay nothing against them but they dont get a game anyway. Ger4ever

Papac, his contract ends this summer and we have Wallace.

Kerkar, as much as it is fun to chant his name, he isn't rangers class and isn't essential.

Bartley, only on loan but i'd imagine we are paying some of his wages, we have Broadfoot who would play at RB.

McKay, i'd imagine he was already on his way before all of this fuss, he isn't getting played for a reason.

Bedoya, same as McKay really...

McCulloch, I found this one quite hard, as much as he played well in the last game, he isn't a permanent fix up front, Lafferty and Naismith will return from injury eventually.

I'd like to hear your opinions,
RFCJ

The 6 highest earners.

I think finance and length of contract remaining will dictate who goes. Some may even want to walk.
I agree with all of yours bar Bedoya because I think he's been picking up injuries ruling him out of training and a chance in the team or as a sub. Could be wrong.
Iam Legend.

16 Feb 2012 20:58:57
im diisgusted with the way things are going with rangers right now, but its doing my head in with ceptic fans on the high horse regarding avoiding paying tax when almost every self employed person both sides of the old firm take their books to an accountant to be cooked in the hope of a bigger tax rebate/return. the moral of this is most people would do what they can to avoid paying the taxman,sad? but true. im not saying its right but it happens all over the place if its avoidable youl try it!
p.s. i cant im not self employed but if i was.......

Im self employed and do use an accountant but within the law.i also deduct PAYE+ NI contributions AND PAY THEM.whyte brought cousin in, when he knew admin was a real threat,on 7.5k per week.you got any old relatives struggling to heat their house? use hospitals? go to doctors? thats why we pay tax.cooking books? your reading to much pulp fiction mate real life isnt like that.....green jhedi

Can nobody see the bigger picture here/?the high court judges who will make a ruling on HMRC V RFC, have no doubt seen that RFC have enterd admin,due too more unpaid taxes,so if there was any chance of RFC winning this case,I think they have blown it bigtime!!!

Real life is about scamming your tax where i come from you go into any boozer after the tax year and you see the brickies plumbers labourers even their gaffers all waiting on there " tax rebate" get real we dont all earn fortunes

16 Feb 2012 20:44:26
I'm the first blue knight to step forward
Il invest if all interested parties can come
To some agreement

Name ???

The Queen? B-)

16 Feb 2012 20:42:50
Glasgow Rangers will never die, If they play on the streets we will support from the pavements

16 Feb 2012 20:30:18
The league is not over bears, the mighty Celts turned around a 15 point defecit within the space of a few weeks......all to play for........

Miko x

LOL...there is nooooo way you can do what Celtic has done and will do with the treble! our team is too good/strong. I just hope you ranker fans remember what we did and not blame your administration for us winning the league because if you were good enough you would have had a 5 point lead but you thought it was over....you were maybe right it could be over for your team anyway.

I am one of the most optimistic ****s in the world but even i admit the league is over.

Mr Blonde

16 Feb 2012 20:09:47
Could Whyte have taken the 9m tax money and 20m ticketus money for himself?

Think you might find that 18m of that was how he found the funds to pay off the debt to the bank and just perhaps the remaining 6m was used to fund the increases to the likes of Davis McGregor and Whittaker and of course the bottom basement signings we made

So anyway you cut it, sounds like he put sod all of his own money in yet rumours he owns the stadium and Murray Park?

16 Feb 2012 20:04:01
if it is true that whyte put the ticketus money into one of his companies with jelavic monet he should be face charges and resign from Rangers he has draged us into the gutter.
this is the time that all rangers fans come together.

Jelavic MONET? he had a painting of jelavic! wonder how much that cost..........green jhedi

16 Feb 2012 19:51:49
i think as soon as we come out of this mess .the scouting network needs to be looked at .i would rather we ploughed money into a decent scouting network to pick up and coming talent for small fee and bringing in our own youth

Money?? Ooft!

Miko x

Just like celtic then..........green jhedi

Who have celtic produced apart from mcgeady and forrest?

BigBear

Well celtic fans i await your answer.

BigBear

16 Feb 2012 19:45:50
If the admin are looking for cut backs sack the board think they have took plenty anyway ....kenny

16 Feb 2012 18:56:17
How can Celtic possibly prosper without there greater rival... How can a team or manager improve with no real competition,what kind of player will join a team he already nos has won the league by 25 points.. Because the hearts an motherwells are not all of a sudden going to be better,sponsor money will drop, telly money will drop, global interest will drop,all that combined will lead to you not been able to compete in Europe not least because you'll always be in the very first qualifying stage because our co-effeciance will fall through the floor... An that's me just starting.... Honestly mhanks your chief exec is living in a f&cking pipe dream on button moon..... PaulRFC

So rangers should get let off with tax evasion, fraud and a shot load of debts because your arrogance makes u think the world revolves around your corrupt club?

I hope they get hammered, go into liquidation, have to start from scratch in division 3 then struggle to climb the leagues....karma well and truly is a bitch n will see they get what they deserve

Mikey Bhoy

Oh Percy, your naivity is blinding, Lawell was asked the question and he answered it. Do you think he's gonna turn round and say "na, it would be the end of Celtic football club.......just as the current administrators at Greyscull are telling you sorry lot that your beloved club is unlikely to go into liquidation at this early stage......they want all you rockets to turn up this weekend! lol

If you had a chief exec like Lawell, you wouldn't be in this mess Ollie! Lawell's the man, you just can't see it!

Miko x

Who cares we will still be glasgow celtic a global brand and who will uz be glasgow dodgers a govan brand lmfao. just as iv said before we dont need rangers and nether dose the spl we would be better off without us.

wee darren

Celtic have conducted themselves with the usual class,I see Mr Lennon has now started passing comment via twitter they just cannot stop fanning the flames and then when some moron reacts they wonder why.

Paul, when Rangers were on their knees in the mid 80's, Celtic, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd and Hearts were all doing very well. The first three of these clubs were winning the 3 domestic trophies between them, Aberdeem won the European Cup Winners Cup and Dundee Utd got to the final of the UEFA Cup.

Rangers won't die haha not a chance. Shows how daft youse mhanky clowns really are. Enjoy this title cos it'll be your last for a while. We'll be back in no time. WATP!

What lenny said was true.what questions were answered?all covering their asses cos liquidation will happen,look at the numbers,they dont add up.every away game runs your costs up and only the pay-ins at ipox to recoup money.........green jhedi

How can you question anyones class, when RFC have'nt a shread of class or dignity left.

Miko, the original poster has some valid points. The question is would celtic 'flourish' without rangers, not would they survive. Think about it, read and listen to what the financial experts tell you.

Am a celtic fan an i hav 2 say that i agree with u lot.the spl wud struggle big style if there wasnt both celtic an rangers in it.ok celtic wud manage fine but i dont think the rest wud.i bet a lot of clubs rely on the money which they get from travelling old firm fans and the tv deals. going by sum of the regular celtic posters on here i think u hav 2 say on here u want rangers 2 fold 2 make u a celtic fan.but owell at least we r gonna win the treble hail hail

This guy miko taking the moral high ground and he supports a club that uses every avenue available to gain an advantage and blame eveyone and everything for their own failings. you know what i mean the ref was against us etc it wisnae me it wis him we all heard it before. as for cheating do any of you remember the 1989 scotc cup final? throw in to rangers, roy aitken takes it for mhankey mob two passes later they score and win cup. cheating?? ayeeeeeeeeee.

16 Feb 2012 18:18:59
does not under stand why whyte did not put the 24mil through the books instead used a parent company, hiding it wont work surely to fook he has to get hammered for this all he is doing is lying and literally stealing eg paye from his own staff.. we have to get a respectable person on board and buy whyte a one way ticket to the moon.... anyway 1.30 lorne street come on the bears craig+babybear

What track is lorne st running at?

I think it's Space Raiders Geeko!

16 Feb 2012 17:55:14
Here's the £24m question,

Where's the Ticketus money gone Mr Whyte?

If he has this elsewehere then surely it must be his responsibilty to repay this loan and not Rangers?

The Pilot!

16 Feb 2012 17:25:28
is just me but why would anyone ask the guys doing the administration for C Shyte how much it would take to buy the club when that admin guy was supposed to be in the stand with whyte on the first day of season? the admin and whyte have previous and worked together before, anyone smell fish?
jammydodger

16 Feb 2012 17:19:16
this site has been contaminated by a serious virus.

It's called " gloating parkheiders "

Beware fellow bears, when we recover we WILL WIPE THEM OUT and clean up the site again

Hail hail son!

DazzaBhoy

16 Feb 2012 16:46:03
People should give Celtic chairman the credit he deserves,he was sticking up for his club like any rangers chairman would stick up for theirs....Celtic future plans are not dependent on rangers and I'm sure rangers fans would not want to have their chairman saying they depend on Celtic...il be surprised if many chairman of clubs will come out in support of rangers money wise considering the money they owe to everyone be it players ...ticket money owed etc...Peter lawwell is honest fella can you say that of Murray or whyte....yes I do want you to survive...but the admin left more questions un answered ..we're has all the money gone ..will their be fraud charges...if your operating at huge loss now how do you keep running and pay back even reduced amounts........gujo

Your " Chairman " has nothing but a unhealthy dislike, disrespect and a dispicable attitude towards Rangers Football Club. His sentiments and feelings are echoed by you and the deluded hoards who swarm on here with your hate filled bile. Driven by a hate of all things Rangers, you are ALL desperate for us to go out of business. It ain't gonnae happen and I for one have grown very, very bitter towards each and every one of the Celtic posters on here who have and who continue to be allowed to post their hate fuelled trash. I can't wait for us to come out the other side intact and stronger. ICE CREAM AND JELLY ALL ROUND BEARS ?............ AGer63

For a start u call yourself a celtic fan and dont even know who ur chairman is ??

ha yer a joke mate

TB

By your attitude you most be one of the small number of bigots who give your fellow supporters bad names...in my post I wasn't gloating as you would put it...I agree with our chairman that we run our club independent of rangers ...if we ran it the same as you and bought players we couldn't afford or payed salaries which other clubs are paying for because their not getting their money back now ...rangers in the past years have won their titles with good football and deserved but how your club has been run has tarnished the titles and the whole of Scottish football

I'm an evertonian,,,I'm in Liverpool were on my message did I say I was Celtic fan...you lot are obsessed with everything green...give it a rest you bigots

Bigots really? Do explain what makes us all bigots.

GovanFR

Its jelly and ice cream mate.if your gonna steal our stuff try and get it right...........green jhedi

16 Feb 2012 15:50:16
Laughable propaganda coming out of the midden now. Liewell playing to the masses, although the financial experts- not miko/timalloy etc- say something contrary. The key word is 'flourish' and celtic certainly won t do that on their own.

Worry about the nonsense being spouted by your administrators. very interesting...

Yeh, because rangers and their fans know all about good finances don't they? lol!

scottish football WILL flourish, make no mistake about that.

anyway, why are you all so concerned about scottish football? all i've seen on this page for weeks on end is about joining the epl/la liga (PMSL) and just about every other league EXCEPT the Scottish League...hmmmmm

i also see posts telling teams that you owe money to, to 'fu(k off'...what a great example you lot are.

remember, if/when the sh't hits the fan and a vote is needed to save your sorry asses in the SPL, these are the type of comments that people remember;)


taco

Motherwell just turned a healthy profit of £540000....was that thanks to Rangers? or just good business planning? Do Motherwell "Need" Rangers as well? Celtic turned a profit...I suppose we have Rangers to thank for that as well...Wake up, Scottish Football will be fine without you clubs will learn to cut their cloth accordingly...something Rangers have failed at doing for some time.

Except the financial experts say otherwise................but you are quite right , peter lawell knows more than them.

Ok, all i am saying, and what the 'experts' in finance are saying. If you know better so be it. Celtic kidding themselves on they don t need rangers and vice versa. Would you still fill your stadium if no significant challenge in Scotland?....................you have not been filling it lately. Who knows though, time will tell.

Well done to motherwell for making a healthy profit. Are you saying that IF Rangers were to go to the wall, it would be beneficial to all the other clubs in the league. The non old firm clubs rely on us bringing large travelling supports. I f Celtic were to have things all their own way, would they still have such large away support? You need to wake up. But......................................it is not going to come to that anyway, cos craig whyte said.....and he knows

Liewell? Is irony in the knuckle dragger handbook? I think not

To the poster about MFC - Of course, every scottish spl team directly contributed to that with a travelling support - some more so than others. It's called gate receipts.
CFC, you don't give out thanks cos you do it all by yourselves. I am really amazed that you need scottish football at all.
By the way could you tell me who has the better coefficient this now RFC or CFC ? Pretty sure it would be CFC if it was just home games.
ED - can you advise please if RFC does disappear does that result in our coefficient ranking points disappearing as well? which would then also affect Scotland's ranking and have a bearing on future Chms League entry stage? I think it may also affect how many enters for eorpa Lgue. Interested to see what the spl clubs will be battling for in the future for 2nd place because i suspect that the eorpa numbers will drop and as a result less spl clubs will be eligible due to the drop in coefficient. Thanks a lot ED
Iam Legend {Ed001's Note - as far as I can find out, I did have to look because I had not thought about it, the co-efficient stays the same and is not affected.}

16 Feb 2012 15:33:46
########BREAKING NEWS#########
Police in search of man in east end of Glasgow for an unprovoked attack on a pair of trakkie bottoms he couldn't pull above the waist - he's described as been a "dwarf looking ginger" and in relation would like to speak to a man seen with the accused he's described as been of Nordic appearance who looks like an ugly briggette neilson. PaulRFC

***********just in********** rangers are asking their fans to bring as much loose change as they can v killie and fill up the plastic buckets placed in the stadium. they also ask dont damage them they are on hire.END**********

16 Feb 2012 15:29:34
Ed
lets deal in FACT Peter Lawwell did not use the word Rangers in his statement the other day

Question asked .The other big story at the moment is the current crisis over at Ibrox. The commonly held view within Scottish football is that we cannot survive without Rangers. What is the Clubs viewpoint on this?

PL: We have embarked on a strategy that is independent of any club in Scotland. I think we are beginning to see the product of that strategy, around the quality of the player we are finding and bringing in and the youngsters coming through. We havent won anything yet but we dont need anyone âs we are going to focus on our own business, we will focus on what we need to do, to take this club to its maximum and optimise the potential that it has.

his answer has not mentioned any Teams name.

also Dundee united have not banned Rangers fans from the forthcoming game at Tannadice
there chaiman did say if money for tickets is not paid upfront he will not give Rangers FC any tickets to sell but added if any Rangers fan wants to attend the game Dundee Utd will sell them tickets from Dundee utd's own ticket office

once again its the scottish media not reporting what was really said by both clubs

Lubo25

LUBI>LUBO>LUBO..well done mate.A Tim

Celtic don't need Rangers, says Peter Lawwell

Senior Football Reporter, BBC Scotland Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell insists his club "don't need Rangers" to flourish financially.

Rangers are awaiting the verdict of a long-running tax case that could place the future of the Ibrox club in doubt.

But Lawwell says the eventuality of their Old Firm rivals going bust "would have no material effect on Celtic".

"We look after ourselves," Lawwell said. "We don't rely on any other club. We are in a decent position, we're very strong."

Celtic's interim financial results for the second half of 2011 showed a profit of £180,000 - significantly down from the £7m at the end of the previous year.


'I'm disappointed to look at the performance of Scottish teams in Europe and the effect that that has on co-efficient'

Peter Lawwell

Celtic chief executive

Bank debt has been reduced by £2m to £7m.
Iam Legend

16 Feb 2012 15:31:07
Change of subject here....

I've just saw the highlights from Celtic's match last weekend....what is that Samaras all about? The Celtic fans were getting all high and mighty when Aluko got carpeted for diving, I wonder what their thoughts are of Samaras and his constant diving?! That is twice against the same club that he has fained injury to get another player punished. Where is Mr Lunny these days?

TTG

16 Feb 2012 15:11:44
Why does mr liewell not stop talken sh.t we have no intrest in this muppet why don't the manky mob just stay out of it watp .. Kenny

The only muppet i see is you kenny.

why liewell?? what has he lied about? are you so used to being fed lies for the past 20 years, you think everyones at it?

and what sh't is he talking? enlighten us please, instead of just spewing out mince on a regular basis with no foundation


taco

Sums you all up with all thats happening to your club you still only care about what comes out of Celtic.

Liewell dont understand why some people call him that when hes one of the most truthful speaking people out there. the same people call him liewell were the ones who beleived everthing craig whyte had to say

How you feeling Kenny are you going to the game on saturday to sing your bile.Henke7(always hating rangers.)

Sums you all up with all thats happening to your club you still only care about what comes out of Celtic...

Your on our page asking us why we are interested in celtic matters... holy sh*t, how dumb ARE you!

16 Feb 2012 14:18:14
I think its funny how they lot at parkhead are expecting us to be raging.. walkabout greeting with petted lips all over the place. When its clear for all to see " we are the people" we support through thick and thin.. lets get over this hee haw beginning on sat. maybe not this season( but you never know) but bet your boots we will be back as ally says BETTER-- STRONGER and taking that trophy back to where it feels at home.... Super ally's Ibrox stadium...

The problem is rangers fans are raging,another problem is you dont support your club through thick and thin.saturdays game looks to be a sell-out but its took the club to go into admin for the fans to come out in numbers,considering the clubs well documented financial problems this is only the 2nd time this season the ground will be full,saturday is all about showing the world how united the support are but in reality they arent.

Unnamed poster:

The fact that the weekends game is a sell-out due to us entering administration only highlights how much we support our club!

Don't attempt to take some sort of moral high ground by stating we don't support our club through thick and thin just because Ibrox isn't a sell-out every week! When was the last time Parkhead had a sell-out?!

TTG

This is not about stupid rivalry it has become much bigger. i employ four full time and two casual workers.Let me assure you if my PAYE and VAT was not up to date they would be demanding the cash straight away.whyte stated he had payed these since taking over which has been proved to be a blatant lie.this "we are the people" nonsense does your club no good.To deprive the country of taxes is hurting us all.Have you ever used a hospital? been to a doctor? seen an ambulance going to an accident? What pays for all this? Taxes. The next time you see an emergency service think about that.Thats why you should be angry.A Tim

A Tim b*gger off with your moral stance. Weeks on end of jelly and ice cream from you lot. Not one mention of what taxes are used for. Not one mention of possible pay offs of the ordinary working person at Ibrox and the small businesses. Just sheer enjoyment. Some of your decent fans have left supportive posts having been through the old board/ F McCann.
Tax avoidance is not illegal, tax evasion is.
Not paying the £9m in tax NI is terrible and needs to be rectified, but to someone in control, CW, merely a tool in reaching admin, his probable goal. I for one do not want a repeat of that.
Further and in general £25 billion is lost annually in tax avoidance and a further £70 billion in tax evasion by large companies and wealthy individuals. An additional £26 billion is going uncollected. Open your eyes.
While your old board were never caught it is common knowledge that they put the money from estimating your attendances in their pockets for decades. If you didn't declare your income that would be tax fraud.
Don't come on here with crocodile tears for the emergency services or the ordinary people's jobs - you are merely using that to have a go at RFC.
Your mate Timalloy comes on here desperate to read that's it's all a tim conspiracy, remembers F McCanns takeover and the RFC fans giving it tight.
I think the ordinary RFC fan will take no pleasure in reading about the non payment of tax and possibility of job losses. I worked in the Public Sector and know the impact you're talking about - but cuts to the Public Sector while not actively recovering the said £billions in tax astounds me.
Iam Legend

16 Feb 2012 14:12:38
If rangers sold Jordan McMillan to Dunfermline did the pars pay in full,if not surely a compromise can be made regarding dunfermlines ticket money

16 Feb 2012 13:36:19
Feel sorry for hearts and Dunfermline not getting paid but not Dundee utd these are the people that made rangers fans pay the full price for a rematch after the first one was abandoned a couple of seasons ago and they keep on saying Scottish football will survive without us.aye right and I'm a monkeys uncle..

You need a DNA test on that kid mate.

Feel sorry for Hearts? Two words - Vladimir Romanov

16 Feb 2012 13:16:18
The release of any playing staff will be short listed into three categories.

First to go will be players on a short term or nearing the end of there contract (Papac, Broadfoot, Healy etc...)

Aluko maybe asked to stay as there is no long term commitment and he is on a low salary.

Next will be the top players who signed a contract extension in the summer (Davis, Whittaker, McGregor and Edu). A smart move by Whyte in obtaining players with a resale value, albeit high wages.

Finally the new signings in the summer, will be the last to go, as they players have long term contracts, a resale value and are on substantially lower wages the above. Players such as (McKay, Bedoya, Marvin, Goian etc...)

Youth players (Wylde, Ness, Hemmings etc...) will be kept as they cost less and could potentially be a future value to the club.

We have to remember that it is strictly business men who are running the club now, not football men. So it all comes down to costs not success on the field.

Well we should be used to it cause Mr tight wasn't a football man.

Wouldnt you release the highest expenditures first i.e macgregor, davis.... as admin need to cut the costs quickly. I dont think they go in planning for the future of rangers. That was Whytes job.
Don

The ones with potential high resale value will be kept on as they can make club more money .we cant sell them just now as transfer window is shut

I heard that one big earner will have to be released to free up wages for working capital.

So what if we get a new buyer will they still have to go....lets see what the admins do first....

16 Feb 2012 12:51:35
not a rumour just a wee bit of a thought if we have to be renamed,people don,t want to lose our identity,what about GLASGOW RANGERS we are referred to that in many circles anyway and would match any legal obligation required on naming.

If you come back with another name and get back to financially strong position i think you can buy back the rights to the old name.

BigBear

16 Feb 2012 12:44:15
The question is how did this whyte get control of our great club without his previous business past not been checked by murry? And more to the fact why are we in adminstration?

Coz you have no money to pay anybody and murray knew you were done.

16 Feb 2012 12:25:42
According to media reports, think BBC / STV, that's now Alex Salmond and David Cameron both voicing support for Rangers to survive!

Who would have thought Rangers could be the only subject those 2 agree on? lol

Blue Bear

There chasing votes ya clown! You idiots are so gullable its unreal!

Clown?? if you read my post i used lol as i found this quite amusing. Yes im educated enough to see politicians vote chasing.

Another nameless keyboard warrior! Grow up and go back to your own page if you cant handle a small joke.

Cameron and Salmond have been at each others throats for weeks and i simply found it funny they both agreed on one thing for once!

Think you may be the clown!

Blue Bear

16 Feb 2012 11:54:09
Whats the crack with saturday bears? any protests or anything been sounded to be happening at the game?

Roll up and pay your money like mugs! those flights to london need paying for.

Just be there get your singing voice in tune ibrox should be electric back ally and the bears. Step up and play Watp they will never kill us. Perth true blues rsc

Just been in your set an hour before kick off

Be in your set? is that an appeal to all badgers?

16 Feb 2012 11:35:45
Celtic supporter coming in peace.

Fergus McCann came to Celtic. Said to Brady, Macari and the like, "no you can't have any money to buy players"

This is what Rangers need to get you out of this mess.

Someone who can prioritize for the long term, and not give in to demands for instant success. Celtic fought hard and stood by as Rangers swept all before them. But we survived.

If you are able to get through all of this, you can't expect it all to snap back like a rubber band. It takes time and patience. Patience needs to be your best friend.

GoldCoastBhoy

Gold Coast Bhoy

I could not agree more mate. Thanks for your comments.

Blue Bear

I agree as well mate only problem is mccann had money behind him.. thats why im worried unless somebody else comes in

16 Feb 2012 11:25:30
Why are people talking about players getting released when the club have said that no immediate cuts to the playing squad are coming, meaning players leaving in the next couple of weeks is alot of sh*te.

Rangers forever!

It probably means that with a game on saturday they will use the players and then make them redundant before their next pay.

Why sack thm now when you can get 1 more game from them?

Just keep swallowing the propaganda.when the league is officially over the cull begins.

16 Feb 2012 11:07:52
Lets Hope the players follow in the footsteps of portsmouth a few seasons ago and forgo a weeks wage in order to guarantee the admin/office staff are paid.

Long Live Rangers FC - Current SPL Champions

16 Feb 2012 10:55:15
not relevant I know - -but what were the reasons for Celtic Football & Athletic Coy. changing their name to Celtic Football Club plc in '94

Celtic became a PLC

Stock market flotation, and change of board setup


taco

Thanks guys-
just wondering - new club name, new owner, new shareholders - -does that mean all trophies won prior to that don't count for CFC ?

No.

clutch clutch clutch


taco

Im not sure if you've grassped the concept of your club ceasing to exist and coming back as a new company...Celtic never ceased to exist merely changed from being a Ltd Co to being a PLC....So Celtics change is part of their history it is a continuation of the same entity. Rangers on the otherhand coming back as a NEW COMPANY means all the trophies etc belong to The Rangers FC (1873)..Not The Rangers FC (2012) or whatever they call themselves if indeed they do get liquidated and come back as a NewCo.

Nice one mate. lol
Iam Legend

16 Feb 2012 10:45:42
Hutton is on loan, better get used to not scoring if them 2 clowns are upfront.

16 Feb 2012 10:38:19
Press conference with administrators 3.30 don't listen to a word of it, don't be brainwashed like you were with Mr tight.

The gers grim reaper

16 Feb 2012 10:09:00
If we come out of admin, which I expect we will almost certainly do, will Rangers apply to play in a different league? Is this the possibility of a move down south?

I'm not saying it is going to happen just trying to change the direction of most of the same chat coming from Celtic fans swamping this site.

GDog
WATP

And how would this happen or even be possible as you are registered with the spl and when you come out of administration you are still tied to the spl.

Even if it was possible which set up would be willing to take a team that has just come out of administration due to suspect dealings.


The only way you could apply to another league is to become a new team and then see what happens. However the chances of another league taking you on are as about as slin as Craig Whyte being a billionaire.

Ian(For every £1 Celtic spend Rangers will pay their creditors 10p) {Ed001's Note - not true, any club can apply to any league, but the chances of acceptance are almost none in the majority of cases. This isn't the MLS or USL we are talking about, they will accept just about any team in an attempt to boost the quality of the leagues. But the English league has no need or desire to include Scottish teams in it. The only reason the Welsh teams are there is because they were there before there was a professional league for them to join in Wales. I doubt any new Welsh team would be accepted in the English leagues.}

Ed001 I knew this just trying to point out to this guy that with the background that rangers have they will not be accepted by another league unless its the Scottish 3rd Div. When or If they come out of administration it would more than likely be during a season and they cant do anything then.

Ian(For every £1 Celtic spend Rangers will pay their creditors 10p)

16 Feb 2012 10:00:40
Ed: The last 3 days or so I have been posting, yet maybe 2 or 3 posts at best have been put up. I know there are many posts right now and a few Ed's, however I would expect to see more posts. Is there a reason I should know about or is this chance. I have been a regular poster for some time!

GDog
WATP {Ed001's Note - wasting our time asking stupid questions like this is not going to do anyone any good is it? Most posts that have been rejected from people over the last few days have either made libellous statements or been abusive.}

To be fair Ed I've read some pretty abusive stuff on here recently that seem to be getting posted by the same old people plenty of which are NOT Rangers fans. Now if some of us feel somewhat protective right now then I think that is only fair. Also I do think I have a right to know if I have somehow been writing posts that are deemed abusive or libellous. Perhaps an automated response should take place when this has happened?

This is a Rangers site. I am a Rangers man who has been using the site for time. I enjoy engaging with the other half however at the moment it seems very much like a Celtic site.


GDog
WATP {Ed001's Note - it happens when a club is in trouble. There are times the Liverpool site is just full of gloaters from other sides. You just have to accept it.}

16 Feb 2012 09:44:12
boycott the club, dont give Whyte the satisfaction of you money, he has killed Rangers off when there was a chance of winning the SPL and getting the easier route to quaify for the CL , he is a disgrace, Sack the Board, Sack the Board, time to protest en masse outside the ground, not inside, if you g to the game Whyte will be laughing at you

There is no board Whyte has sacked them for you.

It has emerged that season tickets may be cancelled to generate a cash flow.you will be the biggest mugs ever if this happens and you pay again. A Tim

I" thatill work a treat you tube!!

Why don't you go back to your own board. Rangers Fans will continue to Support our Team and Club -these are bad times but we will emerge stronger and without this debt hanging over us will then show your mob up for what they are. even with all this going on in the last Four years ra Sellick have always been second best.

Lets see how loyal you lot are when you're playing in the 3rd division.

ahaha

Probably more loyal than the 100k plus that disappeared from Celtic park when Mowbray was manager.

Mr Blonde

16 Feb 2012 09:28:06
Does anyone know what time the meeting is at murray park for the players with the administrators?

Don

16 Feb 2012 09:12:05
Morning ed do rangers need to sell players just now . Likes off Davies ect ect plus the ones who's contracts are due end can they be released just now ... Kenny {Ed001's Note - the administrators will look at it, then they will try and sell players and come to an agreement to release those they can't sell. Without seeing the actual accounting, it is impossible to do any more than guess who or how many will have to go. But it is almost certain some players will need to go.}

16 Feb 2012 08:52:12
I for one would be right up for the fans buying into the club. Is there a point of contact set up yet to register an interest does anyone know ?
BB

Supporter assos on facebook check blue order etc, they seem to be on the ball

16 Feb 2012 08:36:53
The stark reality for Rangers and their fans is that liquidation will happen.
A Creditor voluntary agreement will not be accepted by HMRC which in turn will force liquidation.

There will NOT be a takeover pre-liquidation as a consortium would have to generate in the region of £100 million to clear debts and cover the total HMRC bill.

A takeover post-liquidation is more likely but things will be grim for years after. The liklihood is that there will be no trophies and European football for a minimum of 3 years while the team try to get from division 3 back to the SPL.

You may not want to believe that this will happen but you buried your heads in the sand before and look where you are now.

The upside of your predicament is that you will gain your dignity fighting your way back to SPL status BUT.....only if you have a sound board of directors. Previous (and current) board members need not apply.

This aint banter,just wishul thinking on your part timmy,go back to bed now....trueblue....

I still feel that liquidation will allow them approach the bottom conference national in england, just my opinion.

Don

16 Feb 2012 08:33:05
Please publish this Editor !!
now the Administrators are in we have to come to some arrangement where the fans have more say in the club either with the fans having a majority say and one or two investors /real Rangers fans willing to put money into the club or more meeting not just the annual meeting. {Ed001's Note - the only way that will happen is if the fans buy in, and buy in in a big way.}

16 Feb 2012 08:00:50
all my fellow bears we will get through this hard time and we will come back stronger but first we need to get whyte out out of this club as he isn't the way forward am about to go to ibrox the now so like i posted earlier it would be good if all my fellow bears could join me i don't like protesting but i want answers and not stupid 30 second speaches

campbell

16 Feb 2012 06:36:50
Big Blue to buy the True Blue are the headlines you will be reading soon. The NY Giants wiil buy Ranger FC to get a foothold in UK.

Dream on my friend.you think the giants would alienate the huge irish ex pat support they enjoy?

16 Feb 2012 02:48:28
As fans we have been shafted but its our club and we have a moral obligation to make sure other clubs dont suffer.

Whatever form we emerge in, should all home fans tickets carry a £1/ £2 or other amount surcharge to go in a fund to pay Dumfermline, Hearts, Dundee Utd and whoever else we owe for players

Just a suggestion. Thoughts?

Andy B

16 Feb 2012 01:42:42
does anyone think this may be a possibility?

craig whyte has taken this money from us to safe keep, believing that he can use it to pay the creditors with upto 25p to the £. thus leaving us debt free and sitting with a few £ on the table to start rebuilding next season.

this may be quite a naive view but it could also be why he's been playing his cards so close to his chest since the take over.


cheers

Jimmyger.

ps. not a whyte fan.

Not naive at all mate. Very accurate. Should be careful though, scummy journalists check these sites.

You're clutching at straws mate - he's stitched us up! He'll come out of it with a load of saleable assets.

Jimmy...i think you might have seen the last of CW...once the administrators have made sure the secured creditor gets his £18M a new owner will be put in place....I think we are witnessing one enormous confidence trick.

16 Feb 2012 01:32:43
Given the vast support round the
world for Rangers FC would it not be
worth while looking at an option to
have the fans invest say £450 each
if we could get one hundred
thousand fans we could raise capital
of £45 Million pounds, could we not
secure a deal to get the club back
from Mr White and satisfy HMRC
with a payment and then the Paul
Murray investors move in with a
Injection of cash to rebuild the club.
The fans would keep there share on
a prorata investment per £ invested
Each fan would then
be a share holder in the club and the
fans would maintain a large share
holding managed by a fans trust.
All fans who invested would be
able to have a democratic selection vote
and appoint people to the board
and the fans representatives would sit
along side the investors, that Paul Murray and his
is talking with.

I for one think we should try to pay
HMRC as much as we can. if we lose
the tax case and as far as the PAYE
and the NI under Mr White is concerned
I think we should pay it in full.
Mr White has shamed this proud club
Lets be above board pay what we are
due to pay.
Rangers as a club and as Rangers
fans we should all be law abiding
People, given the fact we are the
People.
Read Sir Walter Smith’s book and
You will understand what pride and
dignity is. Mr White and SDM have
damaged this fantastic club big time
this man should be in court ASAP
I stay in Hamilton and never in my
life have I met anyone from
Motherwell who talks like this posh
Aurther Daily.

@aurther daily;the first poster i have seen on here saying you should pay in full! well done.if the rest of your support had as much class and dignity as yourself other clubs fans would be a lot more understanding.most seem to be thinking this is a good move for rangers,if they pay taxes i cant understand why,but it does smack of a man who is morally bankrupt.does he deserve to be any where near rangers? A Tim

16 Feb 2012 01:26:20
Duno about you's but I think quite highly of Paul Murray - from what iv heard anyway - guy has a proven track record and after the way he and select memebers of the old board(not all) were treated by whyte I think it shows he really does care for Rangers that he is considering coming back and considering a takeover

does anyone know why murray turned down his first takeover?

ryanrfc

It said in one of the papers that as part of his planned takeover, Paul Murray wanted David Murray/Lloyds TSB to be held accountable for the big tax case, not Rangers FC. Thats why they knocked him back.

pappy

Bank prefered Whyte proposal . Cause they were getting paid first . If a remember he was a day to late ... Kenny

He had no money just like Whyte but Whyte talks a good game.

Ryanrfc; and what is his track record? on the old board? i assume he was turned down as his funding was not strong enough. A Tim

16 Feb 2012 01:10:01
The fans of rangers have to shoulder some of the blame here also, when David Murray had a share issue and offered fans the chance to buy more shares in the club where we're you? he had to take up 86% of the holding himself again.

That has nothing to do with our current prediciment.
BR

That's a fair shout... An in retrospect it was a mistake on our part. PaulRFC

Very unfair.... I'm a 30 year old bloke. I was only young when that share issue went out. And now when my club are in need again?? Well I'm sorry, I've just had my first baby 7 weeks ago, I'm trying to set up a good life for my wife and child. I contribute by going to the odd game, subscribing to sky/espn, etc. To ask any more of your average fan is a poor show and to try to lay a guilt trip on us even worse.

pappy

That's because no one trusted Murry.

16 Feb 2012 00:06:44
Ed we are in admin over 9mill PAYE not been paid an probably not even managing to pay our running costs.... So the phelps guys start there job getting us on an even keel... But I don't understand this... How can it take three to four weeks to do that (because I take it we need to be in admin when the "big result" is given). Surely 10mill in full cash could be raised well before that if they're doing their job. Or are we gonna end up like a p!ssing yoyo jumping back an forth. {Ed001's Note - how are they going to raise that amount of cash in 3 or 4 weeks? Just where do you propose they find it? Down the back of the sofa? The club operates at a loss, you don't just suddenly turn that into a profit with a click of the fingers. They will have to cut staff and as many other costs as they can. They have to get the club operating at a profit first, then they can start think about raising money, though how you think they will raise that kind of cash before the transfer window opens I have no idea. It is a huge amount of excess money, not pocket change.}

Ha come on mate.... Don't tell me whytes no got 9mill stashed up his arse... But I do see your point of course.. What sort of time scale would u guess ed? I guess maybe start of next season so thers no more deductions {Ed001's Note - it will depend on the transfer window I would say, if enough players can be shifted, then it can be sorted then. That would also reduce outgoings massively, shifting a couple of the highest earners will make a huge difference.}

16 Feb 2012 00:13:21
All league titles won in the years tax was being dodged should be stripped from club as happened to juventus when they were found cheating. Those titles were fraudulent.

Totally agree with you mate rangers cheated to win they titles

You sound like a tim like 10 years ago celtic nearly went bust did it happen to the no
AndyBear98

Juventus were match fixing we spent money - using EBT's which were legal - it is just that HMRC has changed the law with regards to them.

This strip them of the titles talk is shi*e from bitter tic fans who cant hack we had more money to spend than them and were winning the league with it.

What about now? the tic and spending money freely and the gers and still winning the league

Juventus were match fixing - thats cheating.

Spending money which WAS there is not cheating. Celtic are spending money nowadays bringing in keane, ljunberg....ect. Were not complaining.

Honestly would it kill anyone ti talk sense

Rangers fans must remember that celtic were NEVER in administration. We almost were but fergus saved us from that shame.

15 Feb 2012 23:46:34
Heard from a very good source, Whyte never took a penny from the club - didn't even have a plane on the payroll. Good to know about the private jet and AJ's fares :-)

15 Feb 2012 23:33:55
50.000 SELL OUT FOR SAT, I would urge all true supporters to turn up on sat ticket or not to show support for players, help boost moral and show people just what rangers mean to people, 50,000 inside, thousands outside, even if only half of what went to Manchester turned up, WATP

50 thousand sell out its a league game that includes season tickets so if they dont show up the stadium could be empty ( which i doubt ) so its hardly a sellout .its just another league game#