Rangers Banter Archive December 16 2013

16 Dec 2013 22:27:31
Option one- vote the entire board out and put faith in new board
Option two- vote Stockbridge out and have members from both side involved (ongoing bickering and opposing views so instability likely)
Option three- keep existing board

My choice is option one as this gives us complete assurances that Rangers men are in control. They have also been actively speaking to fans and have the backing of high profile ex rangers players. By keeping the existing board we have uncertainty and no communication with fans. The east dale interview for me showed someone who was making every attempt to carefully choose his words and cover folks back.
I wonder why King has gone quiet and why Alistair Johnstone hasn't come out the woodwork with a view as he has shown frequently in the past few months. Just a thought, can anyone be voted onto the board at this late stage ie. if King wanted to be considered could he be voted on?

My option is not on your list of three.
One question that I would ask those who support the ''Rangers men''. -----
Where were they when others kept us in existence?
There are those that are peeved they missed the boat when Rangers' assets were up for sale. Much as I detest what Green did to our club in certain aspects, he managed to keep us going.
In my opinion there are too many making bullets for others to fire and I sincerely hope that the murray rebels do not get a place on the board. [ Food for thought--- why did their main backer 'walk away' and who are their mystery 'blue chip' investors. ]
billyb

I really can't see the whole board being removed on Thursday. I reckon most if not all will retain their places. I only hope that if there are any casualties it is Stockbridge and if they board want the fans behind them then the least they can do is get rid of him

@1, spot on billyb, constantly amazed at all the chat backing the gang of four who have done nothing other than mouth off we are rangers men. Just cannot get my head round as to why they feel they have some god given right to be on the board of this wonderful club.

Look here is the truth, Every company in which Paul Murray has sat on a board of directors for has failed. Dave King was banned from purchasing assests outside fo south africa until he settled his tax case. McColl won't put his own personal fortune in or that of his investors because he is scared of what is laying unknown when the truth surfaces from the damage of the last few years. Rangers men they might be but they also don't want to put their own money in in fear they will never see it again. The strong rumour I have heard is that the Easdales are about to sell McGill's buses for around £60M and put their money in to the club. I want Stockbridge gone, we need a new finance director but the money men are already on the inside.

60 million? Profit £400k and year before lost £400k I'm no businessman but who would pay that

16 Dec 2013 12:35:56
SuperAlly gives his 1M shares proxy vote to local RFC who will vote against his current employers. seems strange until you realise that Ally knows that board have 54% of vote sewn up.

16 Dec 2013 13:45:38
When it was still unclear how the AGM vote would go last month, Ally claimed it would be suicide to vote against the current board.

Then, once it's become clear that the current board are guaranteed a majority of votes, Ally suddenly announces that he gave the proxy to some of his EK Supporters club pals back when he was given the shares and they would use the proxy at the AGM.

Very curious.

Jack Irvine works in mysterious ways.

Oj how do you reach 54%, I have only seen laxey 11% and easdale 26% openly declaring they will support the current board members, where do you get the other 28%from?

JG

Ally's doing a fine job. The questioning of his voting strategy is staggering. Who here would vote themselves out of a job of their dreams? And yeah, don't go saying I'd manage Rangers for free when I have a family to support. Your wives might just disagree on this one.

@ 1 Shouldn't we wait till the vote actually takes place to decide who are going to win? Why- anomaly after anomaly that's why in my opinion. All of us- myself included rush to the mobile phone, desktop or laptop without really thinking things through. Whilst Laxey may ignore the majority of Rangers fans who hold up red cards the Bus Brothers cannot as they have admitted through the rare/ only television appearance last week. The fans hold the power if they boycott season tickets and gate money. The Easdales know that although would that really happen? I am not so sure but uncertainty is not good in any business.
Laxey however are not happy with Stockbridge but all of the current board have come out and backed him. Could Laxey change their opinion if the current board do not share their dislike of Mr Stockbridge? They are backing the current board as they are only interested "in stability". What if the current board get in en masse and there is no stability and the red card protests continue until next season and ticket sales are slow? Some of the fans after Mr Easdales television appearance now think he is an okay guy- he is his own guy and that the 20% or so proxy votes he holds trust him and have no influence over him? Really why the need to telephone them daily/ weekly?
One guy who posts on here has gone from shouting about serious fraud squad investigations and ALLY out at all costs and what a nasty little chap he is to everything is going to be all right with one television appearance by a bus brother and Ally doing the only sensible thing he could do with his shares given the circumstances.
I have no idea how this vote is going to go on Thursday and I suspect most fans are the same. What must be evident is that there is no set of knights of whatever colour riding to our rescue. We are in this ourselves and our club's future will be decided by non fans of the club. By suits in London and elsewhere.
To change that fans have to buy shares if they can it is the only way we can ensure the club's fate is in the hands of people who care and not in the hands of utterly dispassionate faceless wonders some of whom may well being sought by the other blue brigade -the police as in the case of Blue Pitch Holdings- apparently. Thursday is a very important date in our club's history- use your vote wisely- but above all please think things through before you vote. Good luck to you

Some guys are unreal on here. The hatred they have for McCoist is staggering sometimes- and these guys are supposed to be on the same side. If Ally managed to save lives from a motorway pile up, for instance, it would be because he was after the publicity. Some people, eh?

Ally is the manager of rangers nothing else. He does not control finances he does not decide anything to do with anything else except the management of the rangers team. Therefore the only thing ally should be judged on are results on the park and so far he is doing his job. Yes he is no great manager in my opinion but neither is Neil Lennon but they don't need to be. This is Scotland not Spain or England. The most likely thing to cost one of these two there job is the other. Unless ally fails to take us back up to the spfl as soon as and that's never going to happen. Yes some of you might disagree with some of the things he has said about the board and people on it but he is allowed his opinion just like you are allowed yours. And if you don't agree that's fine but why the need for the hate and name calling.

Kfraser well said some will not rest till he is gone they are a disgrace he can't do right for doing wrong on the pitch we are doing great but some just want him to fall flat on his face Rangers supporters?? let him take us back to the top league then we will judge him untill then go Ally go your doing just fine

As everyone knows on this site I am against Ally as manager. I have given people my reasons for this and all are football orientated. I having nothing personal against Ally and when he got the job I was as desperate as any Rangers fan for him to succeed. However I feel longterm he won't and am really disappointed with the lack of youth playing in his team. This has led to a few attacks for other people on here and it's as though your not allowed to have an opinion if it differs from certain people

N1 no sence in your theory if am knew current board would win he would have voted himself voted against board knowing this would make him look good cause if current board win then ally says we tried to remove them and failed so we must now get behind them people would see right through that so let's wait till we know before we make assumptions

16 Dec 2013 09:36:52
Apologies in life can be very difficult and some can be easy.

today I have read that our manager, whom I hve been quick enough to slaughter on any occasions, did something noble and the way things should have been done to date.

I am sorry for many of the things I have said about him.

I can't take back some opinions but on purely his qualities as a man Ally McCoist went up 300million % in my heart today.

Thank you for restoring some of my faith in you as I had lost everything since all the boardroom disasters had happened.

Him deciding to pin his colours to the mast before the AGM is the single biggest move I feel in this whole AGM battle.

I am so proud of Ally today, maybe he too has reflected on some of what has gone on and decided that enough is enough.

I have no idea where this leaves us boardroom wise now as everyone and his dog (snowy) knows the influence that Ally has on EVERYTHING in and around Rangers Football Club, I was right about one thing he certainly is a fighter.

Sceptically thinking (come on Jyf I can have a few doubts still ( does he perhaps know something we don't? Is the AGM vote clearer than thought FOR requisitioners? Maybe the boy on here yesterday was right and Easdale interview is a panic measure? Who the f**k knows.

One thing it has to have done is get the attention of the investors and any voters sitting on the fence. It is one thing seeing a united support red carding a board to then see the manager, a man that thousands of my fellow Rangers fans would kiss a tim for if asked, showing support for the group opposing his employer! That is a huge development.

My own thoughts are that I think SoS and their influence uniting the Fans as one plus the talks they have had and letters writtebn to the investors, has made a difference. I think that we might see a swing in Laxey vote AGAIN taking into account the CUSTOMER, us fans. Without the fans Rangers and their investment are nothing.

I am still gobsmacked and amaxed.

WELL DONE YOU ALLY MCCOIST AND I AM IN THE WRONG AND ADMIT IT HAPPILY.

It does't change the ability and other lapses but I have always said it was how he handled himself as a man I didn't like, today he showed me that people can always do the right thing at the right time.

The AGM will be a very interesting vote now and I wonder what else is going to come out in the next few days?

RTID and today an Ally fan again. george

16 Dec 2013 13:14:54
George ally is only doing this so he doesn't have to divulge in the press which way he voted! Thus protecting his position with both would be current or new board members? Smart cookie eh? And now he gets the sympathy vote also?

Come on George, if he votes for current and they lose, he is out. If he votes for the gang of four and they lose he is out. So dead easy take no responsibility.

@2 LW - you conveniently missed out one other option that he had,

he could have abstained from voting altogether!,

he didnt!

he gave his vote to the supporters to use as they see fit,

give him at least some credit where it is due

JG

@1&2 listen it was a no win situation ally was in and although a lot of us on here say we would vote against the board but really believe most of us would not vote against our employers so just pipe down and wait till Thursday because I very much doubt that this board have got it sown up

Well said op some will never be happy he could have abstained kept out of it but he wore his heart on his sleve gave his voting rights to us the supporters let us decide which way his vote should go I salute you Ally

16 Dec 2013 16:49:45
Has somebody hacked into George's login?

Ally handing his vote or the right to vote to people he KNOWS 100% for certain are voting against the board is pretty plain to me, ffs if I was his employer and he turned to me and said :
"Eh bye the way like Ah personally think yis your dooin a great joab ae runnin the Teddy Berrs, but ah kindae sortae promised ah'd gie mah vote tae the fans like, nae problems between us mind ah love all the board guys like! Ah hope if ye win the vote you remember I personally didnae vote against you. sort of"

I would sack him, simple a vote for our enemies is a vote against us, that's how the board will see it, dead simple no doubts.

You think if Ally had come out today and said:
"Ahm voting fur the board they are pure dead brilliant, ah want ma joab on the Friday like"
the board would be pleased? Of course they would.

I cannot see how anyone can possibly see this as anything other than a vote against the board.

Thats like saying in a murder trial, "honest officer I bought the gun and I loaded it and yes I did hand it to ma pal who did in fact shoot your colleague but it was f**k all to to with me! "

In my opinion and everyone on here long time knows how I have regarded Ally to date, he did the right thing today and that's all I ever expected of him as a man.

RTID george

Lol George told you ages ago that ally wasn't a spiv or a ar, se licker or a con man or any of the other names he was being called. I told you back then that ally was rangers through and through even more so than Walter and that he would say and do what ever it took to keep himself at rangers. You all seen that as him only caring about himself and his mates. Jobs for the boys or something like that you called it. I told you that he was biding his time until he could do something for the good of rangers future until he made his move. Well that day has come and mr mcoist I applaud you for sticking by us over the last two years when many others jumped ship. George well done for having the balls to admit you were wrong I hope there are many more like you who will admit they were wrong. The last two years have been murder but my faith in mcoist never changed.

I would like to ask, who know's what side, the people Ally gave his proxy to, are going to vote for. Just a thought.
Tam

@3, did not forget him abstaining, yeah so you abstain, and whoever wins think wait a minute current manager did not vote or us, mmmmm wonder what should we do,

Pat on a lighter note it still does not make him a manager! BUT my gripe with him was more about the supporting everyone from CW to whomever came on board.

Regardless of either issue I have stated that if he keeps winning right back to the top of SPFL well then me and a few others going to have red faces. I hope he does, I reserve my judgement on that and tbh I am just happy he did the right thing in my eyes for the first time in a long time for that I am pleased and applaud him.

As people on here that are honest have said, just how many of us at Xmas would stick two fingers up at our bosses? I call my boss a p***k and a w****r every day but then I am self employed.

RTID until thursday george

{Ed039's Note - We call your boss a p***k and a w****r everyday as well George lol)

N13 I think if all current board members keep their jobs fans will react in a much stronger way of trying to get them removed cause ally has voted against them saying if am does not support board something is wrong big time but we will just have to wait and see I also think if bs is removed easdale will want his own men cause they don't want anyone looking at books

Well said george I did say you were wrong, big of you to come on and say what you did, upwards and onwards