Rangers Banter Archive December 16 2012

 

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16 Dec 2012 22:05:18
What's this now? Even the 3rd division folk are now saying we are a newco according to to Montrose program. The only poeple who can clear this up are the SFA and BDO. Green has done nothing to help with his rantings as have Gough or Hateley. Is it not time somebody should stand up and tell how it is and let us move on.
Bobby

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Lord Nimmo-Smith's tribunal of himself and two QCs who specialise in sports law and corporate law are to sit for three days in January to decide on rangers guilt regarding EBTs falling foul of player registration regulations, meaning players were fielded illegally over 11 years. The possible stripping of titles throws up the question of whether the history is with oldco or newco.
It appears Lord NS tribunal will legally answer this question. However his interim statement noted newco have never previously played in the SPL.
The SPL have commissioned the tribunal with the SFA as the appellant body should rangers disagree with its findings.

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The rules and regulations are clear on this issue. Failed CVA and liquidation ends the club.
Newco = a brand new club with no history.
It's always been that way. Everyone said so as the CVA went in. There's no need for judges and lawyers. The rules haven't been changed. The SFA should've clearly stated it on liquidation.

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Ask the new media director,he made it clear in a column that Rangers died with liquidation.Why would Green appoint someone with that view? Oh,thats right Green said it too!

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You will find failed CVA and liquidation
ends the company,not the club,as has been the case with many other clubs,the club has been taken over by another company,and as i have said before history is just that HISTORY it can not be changed,events that have happened in the past are noted and documented for all time it can not just be erased.
AJM.

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AJM..... but history can be changed, did rangers not loose on penalties the semi-final in europe, in the 70's...


yet after loosing and sitting in the dressing room and pressman pointed out away goals counted double and if so then rangers had won the tie...


read history, it changes all the time. {The Ed039's Note - What a load of nonsense, thats not changing history, its reversing a decision. Back to school me thinks)

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Well pointed out Ed039,the historical event was not changed it was the decision.
AJM.

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So if rangers had illegal register played we can reverse decisions on 7 leagues titles, 5 scottish cups and 5 league cups... no ?

If rangers on the loosing side ok to change decisions (and history)

If rangers win, then no titles back? {The Ed039's Note - In English please?)

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I dont see what all the fuss about titles and history is all about is it really that important going on about 54 titles and world records ?? at the end of the day it was only worth a pound iv got socks that cost more than that

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Gers fans will always have thier memories, no-one can take that away, but winning 54 titles meaningless in league where other teams not won anything for over 40+ years???

its xmas spread some cheer.

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History isnt just whats written on a piece of paper. Its the memories that we all have and the fact is we are still Rangers still one of the biggest clubs in football and we are still a bigger draw than Celtic.

BigBear

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16 Dec 2012 21:30:23
All the debate about 'lost' transfer fees and the loyalty of players does not highlight, enough, the fact that certain players, while injured, received their wages in full and had the best medical treatment available to them. Main players concerned---- would you believe-- Ness, Naismith, Lafferty and Whittaker. No wonder they are not welcome by us.

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And you are missing the fact insurance would have paid all monies during an injury costing rangers nothing.

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Insurance paid for it and its a contractual mandatory condition.
Rangers got the players injured, whilst working for rangers. It's the least the club could do. They turned up fit and should walk away fit.

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@1 and 2. The point is not that Rangers are out of pocket for paying for medical costs or wages...its that these players received medical treatment far above what an ordinary rangers fan would receive. And also, I injured my shoulder whilst at work and after I had been off a certain amount of time I went to statuatory sick pay. Do you think any of these players went to sick pay? In the eyes of the fans these players have been well treated by the club, fans included, yet they have walked out on the club, fans included, and denied any chance of money comin in when the club is in it's darkest hour.

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No 2 ,i once had a driver after an accident and damaging the truck into the bargain said the insurance would pay for it ,question is who pays the high insurance premiums in the 1st place ,yes the answer is ME doug t.s.o {The Ed039's Note - I think you guys need to have a word with injury specialists advertising their services on TV)

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How were the players well treated by the club? The club ran itself into the ground not giving a second thought to the players. They agreed to take a 75% pay reduction to save redundancies and to get the team till the end of the season. I think the players done there bit, they could have walked away earlier due to rangers being in breach of contract. The club practically stole from them by deducting tax and not paying it to the inland revenue. Shocking way to treat employees. {The Ed039's Note - This was a good post until "The club practically stole from them" in what way was it stealing from the players?? Cheating the public purse, yes, I have never said it wasnt, but how do you figure that they stole from the players by not giving to the inland revenue? Got to be the silliest thing I have seen in a while)

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@5 the players were well treated by the club by being paid handsomely, having great facilities and the best of health care. They were also well supported and adored by the fans who season after season spent money supporting the club and players..and let's be honest prob most of the fans earn less in a year than these players earn in two weeks. Yes the players agreed to a wage cut till the end of the season to stave off redundancies and yes this was a very charitable an noble action. But players who stated many a time that they were fans of the club still walked away to better there own financial situation whilst leaving the club with no compensation for them. They could still have walked into the clubs they are at now for greatly reduced fees had they TUPE'd over to Newco thus bringing in some money for either the club or creditors pot, but they chose not to. Whereas a player like Edu, who never professed to be a fan, and who came in for quite a bit of stick from his own fans over the years did transfer over and then left for a fee. In my opinion that man is always welcome back at Ibrox.

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Doug tso , you once had a driver after an accident , ? was he/she unconsious .. shammy

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Shammy. Brilliant. Now that is what I call banter! pmsl. Need more of that on here. All too serious and non football related (as in off field stuff) and too little humour. My money's on yes but definitely female, lol. Doug strikes me as being a one team sort of guy so can't see him playing with the other side if you know what I mean (each to their own though).

Brian

p.s. I know you can only post what gets sent in Ed. Not a dig at you guys.

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@5 ED's note Rangersdid not pay into the PAYE scheme.
Tam {The Ed039's Note - Read it again Tam, my exact question was how was it stealing from the players by NOT giving to the inland revenue. I acknowledged it never went to the public purse. Tam and his anti big bad Rangers posts again. Nothing better to do?)

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Hi shammy if it was a she and she was unconscious what do you recommend ,forgot the comma after driver lol by the way ive had a few drivers after rta s coming up with a comedy of excuses ,eg the railway bridge at kilbowie rd clydebank must have shrunk lol ,it was these logger drivers that ripped all my mirrors off ,anyway shammy you any good at washing windows lol doug t.s.o

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No 8 well said brian ,you can read me like a book ,but the females are better left to sitting on my knee not driving hgv trucks lol doug t.s.o

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16 Dec 2012 20:05:37
Hearing a big story on corruption in Scottish Football is to break soon.

Good news for Rangers surely if it does? {The Ed039's Note - Unless it has something to do with Rangers?? Any clues as to what and who, please share)

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Please tell mr Traynor ...les

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Probably Traynor is part of it lol

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Supposedly tweets from some guy who claims to be an agent. The story to break in the Sun tomorrow.

Some other folk putting 2 + 2 together and thinking James Traynor about to help Charles Green by exposing corrupt officials who have an anti-Rangers agenda.

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This is very much nothing to do with anyone doing anything FOR Rangers. This is the start of a long and relentless campaign,it's all over the web. it's allegedly bad news for Scottish football and the SFA. It reminds me of a well known saying. Before you embark on a journey of revenge,dig two graves, one for your enemy and one for yourself.
P.O.B.

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I love the smell of nepalm in the morning

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So where is then. Have I missed it?

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@5: do you mean napalm?

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16 Dec 2012 18:14:15
Anyone know what the crack with Andy Mitchell is says he's still at the club? {The Ed039's Note - Contracted up until the end of the season)

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Untrue edd signed a 2 year contract 2 days before the brechin game along with andy little know your stuff before wanting to be a admij {The Ed039's Note - On the 2nd July 2012, Andy Mitchell signed a ONE year contract with Rangers)

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16 Dec 2012 13:11:31
A good point from last week Ed, good enough to raise again as Ally said on TV the oldco squad was worth £30m.
So the question is why wasn't the £30m squad sold to save Rangers? We won the big tax case so the debts were small.
This share issue is only for £20m?!? we had £30m in players.

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Maybe because they would be breaking contracts. Not everyones contract up for renewal at same time, thankfully. If only life was so easy. Anyway, they didn t do it, we are where we are, we get on with it.

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It wasn't the "big tax case" which got Rangers liquidated.

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This is where Duff & Phelps may find themselves in trouble.As administrators there main duty was to the creditors not Rangers. When the liquidation process goes into full swing i expect tough questions to be asked by BDO. They even were prepared to sanction Cousin on 7k per week when they knew finances were a shambles.In any liquidation the first thing that happens is major cost cutting and assets are sold,D & P done neither.It starts to smell like collusion to make a tax bill vanish when you actually look at it.

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Thats what people cant understand.
nice to know some rangers fans are asking questions before the share issue.

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Problem is you cant sell the players outwith transfer windows (except for special dispensation).

The job of administrators is usuallly to try and restructure the business keeping its shell while enabling it to repay ita sebts.

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Transfers in admin would have received dispensation to sell the players from SFA, FA to save the club from liquidation.
The more I look back and analyse the whole thing, liquidation could have been avoided and exiting admin was a possibility as Alastair Johnston claimed.

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@6 teams can only sign players who are out of contract if it is outside the transfer window, if D&P were selling in february 2012 then players would not have been out of contract, would they?

JG

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16 Dec 2012 12:31:59
Heard the RST have raised £110k already.

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Any fan that gets into bed with this group of self servers is mad.

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16 Dec 2012 10:22:10
With all this stuff coming out from ally, has anybody asked him how much he's been paid since all this began ? Not as if he's in demand is it ?

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So what exactly has he said that's upset you?
I prefer the notion that neither Ian Durrant nor Ally would have done what certain players did.
It's worked out okay for Greegsy,Whittaker and Naismith but some of the others like Ness,McCabe,etc they're not even near the first team squad. Also Naismith and Lafferty shouting their mouth off in the papers,they could have waited and did what Mo Edu did and at least got the club some money. I'm with our manager on this one.
P.O.B.

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He's been told by Green to get his skin in the game. C'mon t'Ally get tha' screen persona owt t'there. Ahm tryin t' raise £9m for SDMs t'feathered pockets fur t'Albion n't the offices.

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At 2 they should have been sold for creditors pot .rangers shouldn't have got anything for them.

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Yes @3. However if they had signed over and everyone had not jumped on the kill RFC band wagon and HMRC had known what they were talkinjg about we may have got a cva put through. It was the threat of the inaccurate BTC that changed the course of events.
P.O.B.

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@4, the BTC isn't inaccurate, hector has appealed and it could go either way, the BTC will rumble on for years yet, all these tax avoidance schemes should be hammered, millionaire footballers needing tax free loans? The whole world knows these weren't loans and all the clubs and companies who used/use these schemes should be pursued until the public gets its cash, every last penny {The Ed039's Note - What are you on? The BTC has been won. Its closed, it will only open again if and when HMRC appeal? I agree these schemes should be hammered but what planet are you on by saying BTC will rumble on for years when there has been no appeal yet?)

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@ 14 hmrc was owed 18 million from last year they dont do cva,s

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Ed039 - You are correct in saying the BTC judgement has been awarded in our favour. HMRC apparently have been considering "applying" for an appeal. They may be refused this and that's it finished. Let's hope so. Sadly though there are those who are still relentless in their pursuit of hurting us more,there is plenty of evidence to support this out there,so we may still have a few more battles to come. It is not that difficult to find those people and their associates as they are still in contact via blog sites and tw%tter etc. It really is quite frightening. Their latest ploy[lol} is to seek support and challenge the SFA/SFL...Interestingly the SPL is not affected by their plan. That should also set alarm bells ringing.
It's all out there if you look in the right places.
P.O.B.

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15 Dec 2012 18:48:26
Thank you Sally for topping up my
Christmas funds, £60 at 5/6 on both
teams to score today, got me £50.
Timalloy
PS ED001 as I said a few weeks ago,
Rogers will get your team relegated. {Ed001's Note - and you were wrong, that won't happen, it will just take time to turn it around. Liverpool don't play in a league with no competition, unfortunately, so rebuilds put us in trouble.}

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How is it when some team scores against rangers you have plenty on it but when its only 10 pounds when it doesn't happen, you talk rubbish.

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16 Dec 2012 09:28:09
ED001 reading what LFC fans are saying they are beginning to turn against Rogers also. He is a great coach only in his own mind. He does not seem capable of changing tactics mid game if things are not working. Oh well maybe you can get Ally ha ha lol Timalloy {Ed001's Note - who cares? Most fans are brats, they expect everything tomorrow and won't show patience and wait. It took Shankly years to build Liverpool, it will take any manager time to rebuild it, no one could do much with the squad there. No strength in depth, reliant on kids or over the hill players. I don't understand what people expect? Top 6 is the best hope that we can have. There are at least 10 teams in the English Prem with stronger squads, fans expect too much because they can win the league on FIFA or FM13 with a few clicks of the mouse.}

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@2 90% of your fans wanted Lenny out after a year, you will say yous never but you all did

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Quite right lennon would have been sacked if rangers hadnt the money worries

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90% ? Least give believe able facts ?

I personally don't follow much that happens down south however in this day and age any manager doesn't get enough time if things go bad.most fans want there new manager in and hit the ground running and then less than 2 years later they get sacked or leave so why do chairman give these managers 4 year deals ?

Anyway IMO I thought Lennon was out of his depth at points filling a managers roll at either Celtic/rangers is big boots too fill.celtic would have won the league even if rangers didn't have money trouble,finished with more points inc the -10 rangers had too.

Lenny

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Only last october they were hounding him saying he didnt have the tactical awareness to be a celtic manager. But they wont admit that most of them booed him and wanted him out

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Human nature pal. It was his first crisis! If he was to go through as bad a run of results now after he has proven himself to a great leader and manager then he would get the time and patience to turn it around. All everyone wants is the best for they're team, no manager or player is bigger that Celtic end of story. Neil Lennon openly said he would have offered his resignation after the Kilmarnock if we hadn't turned it around. He said again the other day that keeping his job and not getting the sack is his motivation. His attitude is exemplary and any other club without an agenda against him would want the same from they're manager. What you lot have is a manager who is in charge by default. If Oldco hadn't went for a burton the guy would be back to being the first team coach again which is his level. He has hidden behind his status gained from his playing days at the club and is clearly not, nor ever has been a manager. He was on an 850k a year contract before newco and 3rd Division and I haven't heard anything about a wage cut have you? He doesn't do walking away lol. If I had a quid for everytime I've seen "Ally it's time to walk away" on this very site, after Queen of the south, Stirling albion, Caley thistle...I would be a rich man. So stop being hypocrites, at least our managers has proved to be successful and went on to achieved some great things after Kilmarnock. There will come a point when McCoist will for the good of the club have to step aside as his limited ability will begin to stunt the development of Rangers, be it the first division or first year back in the top division when he is struggling to keep the pace. Do you think he has the stones to offer his resignation when that time comes? John Grieg didnt, and almost ruined Rangers? I can see him having to be sacked and payed off, rather than doing the respectable and best thing for the club.

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