Rangers Banter Archive November 15 2012

 

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15 Nov 2012 15:13:47
How is it all of a sudden we start bumming about our gates when we are in the bottom tier of the SFL? Surely that's not what we should be crowing about. We should be shouting about the young players we are producing to get us back to the top ( Hopefully there are some ) If crowds and supporters had backed us when they should we might never be in the position we are in now. Rangers have known for years that we had problems but nothing was done till their hands were forced in various circumstances, yet all of a sudden we have hundreds of would be accountants and lawyers telling us we have no problems now by getting bigger crowds etc. I haven't seen much success so far, though I hope this will change. The share issue might help though I think the money would be better security in the fans accounts rather than Chas. Greens until we get a clear prospectus and find out what the money will be used for. If it is to be used to make the club survive fine by me. Why have the wealthy backers there at all, if it's the fans money it's the fans that should have control. We do need guidance and business men running the club but for gods sake lets make sure it is the right poeple. I am not sure that is the case so far, nothing comming out of Ibrox at the moment convinces me they will be any better for our
club, with the lies already told and their willingness to blame everyone else for our plight who knows what will happen. We have to be very wary of our future, and bringing a few compatriots from the previous regime on board no matter how we regard them to have done for our club doesn't convince me and a few of our fans I have spoken to.
Bobby

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We should be talking about our crowds and our youth as well as the results so im not sure what your getting at mate ......it wasn't a lack of supports bums on seats that messed us up. supporters ARE talking about our young talent coming through especially since we cant sign players except youth . yeah results haven't been great but with no pre-season that MUST be expected. but look where we are and if you REALLY doubt we will make it out of this league then i question if your a real GER or another tim on our page with your krazed LOVE/HATE for the Gers

Big Tilla !
WATP

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Bobby what are you on about you almost sound like a Celtic fan. We ain't got much to boast about and the reason we go on about attendances is because Celtic fans told us all summer we would be lucky if 10,000 turned up at ibrox

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The poster is obviously a Rangers fan.

As for no pre-season, do you actually think the likes of East Stirling had any sort of pre-season. Do you think they were away sunning themselves in Spain and playing top opposition? No, they probably if they were lucky got to play a few junior sides after they came back from a day plumbing or painting & decorating.

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Once again tag someone being a tim for not seeing things your way..SAD!

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Typical small minded reply in line with a lot of posters on here. I have followed and supported the Gers since the middle 50's when the club and it's players in Symons time were hard working and honest men not pampered the way they are today. They get things far to easy nowadays. I had been a season ticket holder for a number of years through the 70's and 80's and knew hard times before and since then. I still go to the games when I can, though I am not able to go so often I still follow and love Rangers as I have always done. The atmosphere at the games is nothing as good as it used to be and in my mind neither is the football. As far as my previous post all I can say is " once bitten twice shy " having had shares in previous club though they wern't bought to be profitable and if I did buy again it would be the same again and only if the money was going for the good of the club and not some speculators.
Bobby

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Bobby unfortunately that's football for you these days. If you ain't happy and you no longer go stop worrying about it. If you have seen hard times before then you should be wise enough to know the good times will return

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@1 A Tilla I can assure you Bobby is a bear, have read a lot of his post's on this site and in my opinion is very level headed and open. Why do you talk about Tim's ? are there not supporter's of other team's who come onto this site and give their opinion's. It would appear to me you are one of the knuckle brigade, I would rather read what Bobby has to say than read your bigoted drivel. OBTW it ain't your site it's everybody's who want's to take part.
Tam.

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@6 Can you be sure they will return ? I would like to see it for the like's of Bobby,Brian,Bgbaz and all of the other decent Rangers supporter's but have my doubt's,you aint out of the fire yet.
Tam

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Bobby - your glass is definately half empty mate, lighten up a bit, nobody said it was going to be a pretty journey back to the top but at least we are on it

JG

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15 Nov 2012 12:44:37
ref:

Listened to Clyde the night before and can't beleive the number or Rangers fans who think their club has been hard done too. Allowed to apply for a place in SFL 3 with no accounts shown and also allowed to buy players before a transfer embargo starts! Only in Scotland!

i listened to Clyde1 also mate and you forgot to mention the guy that was on bleating about Rangers getting into the SFL 3 was shot down in flames by the pundits when told NO BODY ELSE APPLIED FOR THE VACANCY IN THE SFL 3

also are you for real moaning about buying players before the ban starts there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. if you knew next week you were heading for a 6 months driving ban are you telling me you would not drive your car tomorrow.

some ppl hate rangers that much that they cant even see the flaws in their own posts Laughable

lochaber Bear

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After the part the media played in the run upto rangers being liquidated and the practice by certain (although not all) media outlets that liquidation wasn't the conclusion of rangers then I am hardly going to take the OPPINION of Regional Radio pundits.

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Well said lochaber bear

Jamie

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The point being made was that if you give a ban, then you do not delay it to allow a circumvention of it`s effect. A bit like courts giving out a £100 fine, but five years to pay it, bloody pointless.

chasaboy

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@3 so you think it would have been fairer
leaving Rangers with no players?!

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Maybe they were allowed to buy players because 22 left

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@ 3 courts hand out suspended sentences every day

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If no other teams other than new rangers applied to enter sfl3 then the SFL restructuring is a lot of nonsense because they were posturing a pyramid entry to SFL system lol how pathetic is that lie.

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Thank goodness they didn't give Ally another month he would have signed on more duds!

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@5 Did Rangers not make that deal with the players, if thet took a waqge reduction and Rangers then went into liquidation, they could walk away for nothing ?
Tam

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@9 liquidation is the end. Liquidation in itself acts as termination of contracts. Liquidation is terminal.

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Tam. Yes they did and I get the point you are making. If we agreed to them going why should we be allowed extra time to replace them. Its a fair question. I think the answer is more to do with the genuine fear of the SFA/SPL/SFL that we would not be capable of fielding a team/fulfilling our fixtures for the coming season. I'm sure, although I will no doubt be corrected, that we only had eight recognised players including two goalkeepers initially, and of those eight Broadfoot subsequently left and Goian and Bocanegra went out on loan. Don't get me wrong, all of them (SFA/SPL/SFL) wanted to see us suitably punished but the one thing NONE of them wanted was to lose us from Scottish football altogether. My reasoning for this is quite straight forward. Did the SPL not have an option to say there would be no vote at all? Yes they did, but they chose to vote and would probably have accepted us straight back in if there wasn't such a backlash from the fans. Forced into voting no they then combined with the SFA and tried to bully the SFL into parachuting us into the First Division, which failed spectacularly when the SFL teams saw the opportunity presented to them. The fact that we were then left faced with playing in the 3rd Division led to the players you mentioned choosing to leave (most would probably have stayed around if we had remained in the SPL or even the First Division). The unexpected, and it was really, loss of so many players, by mutual agreement or not, meant that it then became a real risk that we would not be able to field a team. Lets be honest about it, the SPL and SFA wanted us no lower than the First Division all the way through the summer fiasco. From wanting that to risking losing us to the game altogether through not having enough players was never going to be allowed to happen. It was the sensible option for the authorities (they agreed on it - its not as if Rangers made the decision) to take to ensure we remained within the game. The real punishment for us as a club will actually be felt in the summer when we can't buy anyone for the next campaign (free transfers excluded obviously). I would rather have had enough players tuping over to have got us through this season and have the option of strengthening again over the summer for what should prove, theoretically at least, to be a more difficult league campaign than the current one. The ban is still a year long (its not as if it was shortened by a month), I don't really see a problem with what they did or what the fuss is about. We still miss out on two transfer windows.

Brian

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15 nov 2012 12:18:03
east stirlingshire v rangers is live on rangers tv on saturday at 12.45.

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Why do fans disagree with the facts. i just seen it on Rangers tv this morning. That's why i posted the info on banter.

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Wise up poster. Many fans from other clubs, Celtic in particular, come on our site and will disagree with all things good about Rangers. Putting it mildly, it's just plain jealously. Nil Desperandum. Geo the Ger

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Eh? Jealous of what, exactly? I'd be amazed if there's a response to this!

Miko x

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Miko easy jealous rangers are still bigger than your team surprised you'd be amazed by a response it really was quite easy

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Geo, I hand on heart cannot think of one reason why Celtic should be jealous of The Rangers, I'm sure many of your more level headed supporters will agree.

G93

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East Stirling v Rangers - that'll be one for the purist. Who needs Ibrahimovic.

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@4: That's a rather generalistic response, please elaborate on how you perceive your club to be bigger than my club. To say I'm intrigued is an understatement!

PS; try signing off your post with a name, or are ye just yella! lol

Miko x

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You're jealous that we got more attention than use last season even when you won the tre.. Oh no.. Doub.. Oh no.. League after we got deducted 10 points due to the on goings at our club.

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Yup, Celtic fans are jealous of a club in the third division as the CL is nothing compared to that. Are you for real?!

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Rangers are the biggest club in scotland and 2nd in the uk behind man u and everyone knows it

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Maybe the attention got drawn away from their treble by your 4iar pmsl...
15 points in the lead and lost by over 20 ya flogger pmsl

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@10 Please explain how The Rangers are bigger than Celtic, Arsenal, Liverpool?

G93

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Crowds, fanbase, overseas sales, history, trophies

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Miko the fact you are on this page obsessing over us is all the proof I need rangers are bigger and certainly more interesting than Celtic. Also we have a much better stadium more fans turn up for our games even though we are in the third div which is no fault of the fans or the overall institution. Throughout history we have had a better stadium a larger support won more domestic trophies and been a club longer than Celtic. See this is the reason people like yourself like to rattle on about us having no history being called sevco blah blah blah so mike all of the above reasons are who I perceive rangers to be bigger than Celtic. Ps maybe you can now enlighten me as to how you think your team is bigger. I await with baited breath to see what nonsense you come up with
Yours truly Madpad

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@14: alternatively he's having a laugh by being on here to wind you up. Successfully lol

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Correct. That's all!

Miko x

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15 Nov 2012 09:38:34
Ed have you learnt to distinguish between a debt and an arrear yet? Just asking like! {Ed001's Note - have you learnt to understood the difference between a promise to pay and a debt yet? I doubt you have the sense to understand, as you clearly think a promise to pay is more than just a piece of paper until the date it becomes due. Abstract concepts aren't obviously a little over your head.}

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Lol it's NOT a promise to pay Ed. It's a debt on Rangers balance sheet and a credit on RV balance sheet. A formal debt in any accounting format for the sale of an asset.
You don't appear to understand the difference between a debt and an overdue debt. {Ed001's Note - you don't appear to understand the difference between reality and numbers on a spreadsheet. It IS a promise to pay Hearts. You may not have the capacity to understand that, but that is not my fault, and I am sorry you are unable to understand the truth.}

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The issue is Green said rangers are debt free but they owe RV, Hearts and Alloa to name a few. Why do Eds in here apologists for green? {Ed001's Note - what eds are apologists for Green? I think the problem is the stupidity of most of the posters. They are so intent on making up lies and believing any kind of idiotic rubbish spread online, that they go into meltdown when someone points out that some of it is not true. No one is apologising for Green, in fact I have said many times I don't trust the man due to dealing with him at Sheff Utd. He was a disaster for them. But that is irrelevant, I am not talking about that, I am explaining why a promise to pay in the future is in reality not a debt. Doesn't matter who said it, in real terms it is not a debt, hence why you can't take someone to court to chase a payment before it is due. Until the date it becomes due, it doesn't exist in real terms. It is just a promise to pay. That is not apologising for Green, that is just pointing out that you are wrong about one particular thing. It is just a shame that people lack the intelligence to distinguish between someone pointing out an error and someone being an apologist for someone. But then you are clearly a Celtic fan with a sad agenda to have everything be bad about Rangers. Personally, as a neutral, I don't care whether it is good or bad, I just want the truth of the matter.}

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"promise to pay" is still a debt,

and thus the point was green saying all football debts clear, not all due football debts cleared..... {Ed001's Note - no it is not, still no understanding of the truth, it does not exist until the day it is due. Until then it is a just a promise to pay. I am sorry this is going over your head, because clearly it is.}

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A promise to pay. HHHm. A promise to pay when you have no source of income, does not seem like a safe bet. Where is Mr Ahmed? Seems like he has vanished from the world. And on this site it also seems we can not mention his name. We all know why!!! {Ed001's Note - that is a completely different matter and not for me to decide. The UEFA ruling on Financial Fair Play has reduced the amount of time that transfers are now payable, in order to reduce the likelihood of teams racking up huge payments on the never never. Whether a club deals with another club, well that is their decision and they are the only ones who can decide whether it is too much of a risk or not.}

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Ed, I work for a bank and when we decide whether to lend or not we look at how much income and debt an applicant has. Even if the debt is say a mortgage or a car loan due in the future it is still counted today as a debt and will influence how much and over what time period a loan can be granted. Cheques are a "promise to pay". {Ed001's Note - so what? You are talking about a whole financial system based on promissory notes, not reality. Banks are not working on reality, they are working on an abstract concept. One that you clearly fail to understand.}

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Here Ed i would just give up on this one when it comes to Rangers some ppl cant see by their hatred. its not that difficult to work out a promise to pay is just what it says and only becomes a debt if that promise is not fulfilled on the date promised.

try this one timmy celtic buy Ronaldo (lol) for 50 mil they promise to pay for him on 1st January 2014 Real agree to this, Real get into financial prob and ask Celtic for the cash on jan 1st 2013 celtic have not got it so can Real take celtic to court for payment the answer is No because celtic owe Real nothing until jan 1st 2014 thats the day it becomes a debt. has it sunk in yet

lochaber Bear

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Are Celtic debt free then?

Foxy {Ed001's Note - if you are asking me, I have no idea, sorry.}

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Check your bank notes tims, 'I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of ...' which is basically an IOU. The note can be exchanged for gold or coinage when you go to a bank or that's the theory.
Now everyone accepts the bank notes as payments/money as a bank will 'promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of ..sterling' The basis of this , according to the tims is that everyone is in arrears, while the 'promise to pay' bank notes are accepted by everyone else in the world as payment. This 'promise to pay' or IOU extends to legal documents and is how the world goes round unles you want to revert to gold, frankincense and mirrh, silver, bronze, lead, sheep, cows and camels.
Even if you have a healthy bank account it is only the bank owes you the money and you have left it there for safe keeping, mind tims don't take it out in bank notes as they are really just IOUs, get to the banks tims and demand your gold and coinage.

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Ed and Lochaber Bear - guys stick to fitba because your understanding of basic accountancy is inaccurate. You are starting to sound like DM trying to explain his tax bill. {Ed001's Note - actually, my understanding of basic accountancy is fine, but this is not basic accountancy, which is why it is going over your head.}

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Uuuhm, Ed, Take out a bank note from your pocket and read what it says. yep, it is a piece of paper in form of a debt owed to you. Debt is paper, ask Goldman Sachs. Or if he were alive, ask Marcus Goldman, he may be able to explain paper debt to you. or the buying for profit of paper debt, or the non investment in scam share deals. You can contact me here in Frankfurt, I know a little bit. {Ed001's Note - no, it is a promissory note, a promise to pay. It only becomes debt in the event you try to redeem it and it is not redeemed. It is really very simple, where you are is not relevant, nor what you do, if you haven't the capacity to understand the concept.}

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Right Ed, why don't you sell your debt free house and keep the money. I'm sure the mortage company will be happy for you to sit on the cash and pay them the monthly promise as it becomes a debt. {Ed001's Note - I don't have a mortgage thanks. I have a better idea, if you think our financial system is based on reality, which it seems you do, why don't you pay a little visit to the Bank of England, with some bank notes, and ask them to pay you the value?}

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it promises to pay the bearer on demand if it says promise to pay the bearer on the 1st of jan 2014 it would be worthless up until that date like rangers promise to pay hearts £300000 on December so up until that date arises Rangers owe hearts Hee Haw only on or after that date will Rangers be in debt to hearts Simples as Alexander would say

lochaber bear

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I cant wait till after the share issue and the fans find out they bought shares in a club that has promised to pay 35 million and will become a debt as soon as the ink on their shares is dry

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15 Nov 2012 00:13:24
Well , well , well , the average price of a season ticket at Ibrox is £222. Says it all really.

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Well, well, well, still obessessed and looking for every excuse to justify your own p1ss poor crowds timmy :) Your season tickets were roughly the same price as last season yet your crowds were greater than this season? Mind you, I suppose it's taken fom 2008 until now for the lack of finances to kick in to most of your supporters? Why not admit it - you cannot handle the fact that Rangers are getting such massive crowds in the fourth tier of Scottish football so you NEED to use the old chestnut about lower prices...............away back to your own pages eh

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Don't really get this post? Can anyone enlighten me? Is there a joke in it?

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15 Nov 2012 09:46:44
You tell me mate, what does it say? rtid

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Well,well,well over 6 hundred pounds for the average Celtic season ticket plus now charging 129 quid for a kids season ticket when before when rangers were still there they were only 50 quid and the only reason they have went up is because rangers are no longer there says it all really say there would be no affect financially on SPL with rangers no being there but your own team put up season ticket prices and charge kids a extra 79quid

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OP what p"sh is that
ST's start from £258 for adults, £179 for concessions and £65 for kids.

Tell us how much is your ST and why dont you use it every 2nd week to go to the big breeze block

JG

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We're playing in the 3rd division - do you want gers to overcharge their fans?

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Well it is fourth tier football. Wasn't the novelty supposed to have worn off yet? Oops. Watp.

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@2 If you read @1 it will help you understand.
@1 " your own page's" it's a banter site ANYBODY can come onto it !
Tam

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Yeah rangers fans just about get a semi at the numbers at ibrox and think they have the best attendance in Europe.celtic season tickets are the same price due to our wages demands yeah it's not a sell out at park head but hey we are making money via Europe etc current climate personally if I wasn't a season ticket holder I would be picking and choosing my games too.

Rangers have high numbers just now as there in the lower leagues just now as they need every head count they can get to get the money in. Also good PR stunt to get smith on the board too. Green needs money and will do what ever the rangers fans want him to do so he can make his money and sell up

Lenny

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@4. You get what you pay for.

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Where are the facts that determine this £222 ... is there leak of info, or is it made up ?

Also £7 million salaries for first team players, so the ST money only covers first team players, not backroom staff... if so , gers sunk again...

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I paid for my Season ticket. If I dont attend games, so what? my cash, my club. They got my money up front. At least my money is not sitting in a bank in Malaysia.

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@11 Eh just ask your Rangers supporting mate's !
Tam

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@6 Did i not read somewhere that the ST were going up ?
Tam

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Rangers v Inverness Scottish League Cup 31st October 2012 ticket price £16 crowd 28033

Celtic v St Johnston Scottish League Cup 30th October 2012 ticket price £7 crowd 14399

so stop bleating about ticket prices its a the fact that celtics dwindling attendances are due to the fact you are missing us lol

uploaded photo of ticket to sightings


Lochaber Bear

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@11. So Rangers don't get money other than ST money? What about merchandising, Sponorship, TV Money (not much i know) etc.

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The IPO states that £8m was raised from the sale of 36,000 season book sales. £222 is the average cost of a season book at Ibrox.
Deduct VAT and £6.4m net has been raised from ST. First team wages are £7.5m and Green has stated through the prospectus that Rangers are loosing £100K a week!

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@11 the playing staff don't make a wage bill of a 7mil our highest paid players are only on 7k a week big jig Wallace black shield etc even if we had 20 players on 7k a week it would only amount to 5mil but the true scale is more like 3.25mil. @4 you pay for what you get since when did CL games come included in ST prices your club is ripping people of adding 79 quid to a kids season ticket and the only reason being rangers are no longer in SPL so you are basically charging kids 79 quid to see Dundee twice what a joke now that's what you call taking care of your support NOT

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Tic fan here.Was watching Scotland Tonight and was really taken by the eloquence and imput of Chris Graham of the Rangers Standard (WHO THEY?) He made a refreshing change from the usual numpties they drag on from other fans associations eg Mr.Dingbat etc.Mr Graham should be a bigger voice for the fans to move your club forward.

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Rangers plan to increase season ticket prices by 20% in 2014 followed by a further 15% hike the following year as the club is expected to climb up through the divisions. Source STV

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According to Cenkos, Rangers directors are committed to a maximum ratio of players' wages to turnover of 33%, which is almost half of the 2010 Scottish Premier League average ratio of 61%, while English Premier League clubs sit at a current wage-to-turnover ratio average of 70%.

The notes state that in 2013 the first team payroll is to constitute 26% of all revenues with it currently sitting at around £7.5m, which will reduce to 18% of all revenues in the next two years as Cenkos predicts turnover to hit £46.5m by 2015.

According to Cenkos, non-matchday cash, including the £3m-a-year retail deal with Sports Direct, will bring in £17.5m in 2012-13 financial year, out-weighing matchday revenue of £13.5m. For the 2012/13 Third Division season, Rangers raised £8m through selling 36,000 Ibrox season tickets this year and £1m from corporate hospitality sales, according to the document.

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Simple maths:

26000 full price (£258)
4000 concession (£179
6000 child (£65)

~8 million, average ~£222.

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@1, @4, @5: just three more posters who assume that because an OP posts something they don't like, they must be a Celtic fan, despite the lack of concrete evidence.

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22) yeah but my tickets are £600 after reduction, and i have two. Where's that in your calculations?

The members section are £3000, where is that in your calculations.

Bar 72 are over £600, where is that in your calculations?

Stop talking pi?

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@15 Where did you get this nonsense that the price of a ticket V St Johnstone was £7,I paid £15 for mine and was glad to pay it.If you can't get your fact's right,stop talkin pi$$
Tam

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