Rangers Banter Archive May 15 2014

 

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15 May 2014 22:33:52
Ed, Heard from a man in the know at Rugby Park, that Boydie is going to be offered the assistant managers position at Killie. Sandy Clark has been upsetting a lot of the players by all accounts!

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{Ed039's Note - He has been doing all the right things over the last year or so off the pitch, he is very keen on being a manager but I dont think he is ready for that yet, but fair play to the guy if he wants to give it a go)

Any body that has to work for michael johnston has my sympathy a devious character or in laymans terms a double yolker

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15 May 2014 19:01:49
Well done to the Scotland under 17s. A great result boys. Anyone watch it?

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{Ed039's Note - I watched it John, McCrorie has a great game, and the centre half from Celtic Breslin looks a cracking player in the making. If this is the kind of football and the standard of player Scotland are looking to produce long term then the future looks in good hands. Apart from first 25 mins the young Scots bossed the game)

Op I never saw the game I saw the goals these young players will grow together mature together get to know how there team mates play its such a pity ally never went this route we could have been good team by time we reached top league imo

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{Ed039's Note - I have said it was the way forward since liquidation, a better manager would have made a brighter future with less "investment")

15 May 2014 17:48:49
ed how do u think the latest will end up will there be an agreement or will they agree to differ I wonder if king puts his hands in his pocket good vote for tommorow its the best offer they will get maybe safe face allround mibes aye mibes naw

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{Ed039's Note - In English please? I do not know what you are asking here bud)

Good ed I meant will there be agreement or will king play his veteo card or it may save face allround

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{Ed039's Note - I think for the parties involved it will end amicabilyt because all they want is a tie and a blazer, but regardless plenty of heart ache in future for fans like you and me)

Thats a fact ed I made another post which I think will describe it

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15 May 2014 15:37:55
ED) Do you know if the Bournemouth game is a confirmed goer please tell me it is always great days out friendlies in England lookin forward to a Teddybears picnic and only 20 miles up the road

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{Ed039's Note - Cant see that it is confirmed 100% yet but has been pencilled in for 30th July apparantly)

15 May 2014 17:32:55
Question for the people who want ally out the door ( primarily for not giving youth a chance) and want D. King to take over what do u think of Mr kings comments that he will give the manager money to strengthen the squad so that when we get there we will be able to challange for the premiership right away so still not much a chance for youth then
r. f

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Listen wait to see what king does but for the present ally still must go and basically until he does I still won't go back

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There are a few different points here. Supporting King and wanting rid of Ally are two different issues and supporting one doesn't mean you support the other. I personally would not let Ally near any vast amount of funding. He has a proven record of signing duds and making good players worse. The other point is the here and now. We don't have money so youth is defiantly the answer with a small budget and playing in the lower leagues. If King comes in with a load of money then my desire to see Ally removed from manager would only increase. Far too dangerous to let him loose with a cheque book. There would be absolutely no value for money

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You seem to be assuming that those who want Ally out are also in favour of King in, which is simply not the case. However, in answer to your question about funds for the manager to strengthen, since when did strengthen mean that youth don't get a look in? Also, did King state that 'the manager' he was referring to was Ally? For the record I don't particularly think King is the road I'm comfortable with. That said, I think I've made my feelings on Ally quite clear too.
All I really want is some honesty, transparency and for Murray park to be less of a white elephant. It's high time that place justified its existence.

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It's not just about playing youth.
The point is how much money could be saved (on wages) if we used more youth. , instead of players like miller, Boyd and so on.

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@1 But if Ally goes you would have nothing to post about! Unless of course you don't fancy the new manager.

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Ach there is always someone worse of than you. Some of us want Ally out but hope for a King takeover. Some don't want a King takeover and are happy with Ally.
I don't want Ally or Dave King. I want fan ownership without any money men with serious baggage and I want a young manager to finally make Auchenhowie pay for itself with a young exciting attacking low cost football team.
I am so depressed about our future re King and Ally if I could press a button for 4 early season defeats which guaranteed a new manager and the end of a rich fan charging to the rescue I would press that button now!
Good luck to you I hope it comes good - I used to support the same team as you but this Rangers- your Rangers just ain't my team at the moment.

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@6- you're not alone Greybear. This current set up is a sham Rangers using misguided fan loyalty to line the pockets of others. Glad to hear there are still people out there who value integrity and decent morals over success built on other people's money and deceit. Good on you sir.

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See you later then greybear, what a stupid post, sound like a wean, "this is not my team unless it suits me".

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Grey bear that's how I feel king not the answer we must see ally off we must get someone to get everyone singing the same song and invest x amount pounds. /month and buy shares if a deal could be reached with dinsdale and doug we would not have such abig hill to climb to gain control but can't make up my mind about them

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@8 why the need to get personal when the man's just expressing an opinion. That seems to be the common attitude on here from some. No need to refer to someone's opinion as stupid or compare them to a wean. Kind of ironic that you chose that analogy though as mocking and name calling is the type of narrow minded behaviour usually reserved for the playground.

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@8 also bonbon, when using " " in future it's probably worth putting words in between them that the poster actually used and not your interpretation of the post. Kind of renders their use a bit pointless.

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{Ed039's Note - Right guys, constructive critisism is nice, but play nice ........... thats for everyone not just bonbon and Baybear)

Oh dear my post is being called stupid by somebody called bonbon however will I cope- OAFT!
Let me tell you why.

We went bust. We have a man in charge of the football who has been economic with his supporters on numerous occasions.
Ignoring the fact we went bust the wee man who is leading your team playing tortuous tripe will not play youths but will be allowed to "match Celtics spend on players by this pillar of society. Just not the society he lives in according to their tax authorities.
Ignoring the fact for a moment that Celtic have a much much higher turnover than Rangers and we have no credit line -just how will we match their spending? If this is Mr King's headline policy (which it is) just how will it be achieved?
Economic with the truth-ers and tax under-payers have been in charge of my Rangers for too long.
I have paid my season ticket for 3 years of the super ones management and I am going to leave the real fans like you with the shambles and the shell of my club.
You are welcome to it as Baybear states integrity and honesty used to under-pin this once great club.
Have a wee read at Bill Struth's quotes about the meaning of being a Ranger and if the penny disnae drop you have even more of my sympathy than you currently have.

@lbj d and Baybear I hope a pheonix rises from the paltry ashes maybe its my age but somehow Ally exemplifies all that is wrong with the club.

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Good post Greybear.

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My view off his post is because he's not happy with it, then he's not supporting rangers, to me that is stupid, what happened with sticking by the club through thick and thin? Hopefully not everyone shares that mentality. Maybe the wean comment could have been replaced, but is comparing someone to a wean really that bad?

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But Ed, it's Not fair! Bonbon started it. I'm telling my dad on him. My dad's probably bigger than his dad anyway. And he's a secret agent ninja. So there ;0p

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@14- I suppose it just comes down to if you feel this is still your club, and if your comfortable with what it represents. It looks like you are and that's absolutely fine for you and many others. However, there are many more who have followed Rangers for just as long as you who have a different opinion. These fans are not comfortable with what they see. These fans are not prepared to continue feeding a monster that they consider to be an abomination of the club they once loved. These fans are simply showing the bravery to stand up for their principles and not accept something they feel goes against what Rangers should be and once was. As I mentioned in a previous post, right now I feel like my brother has died and there is some guy that looks a bit like him living in his house, wearing his clothes and pumping his missus. I refuse to stay loyal and accept that.

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Greybear, Baybear and lbj d, We might not agree on everything but on your comments here I'm 100% behind you all.
Our whole structure, including the way we go about things, is totally wrong and the deep passion I have always held for our club is diminishing fast.
The comments in post 14] just tells it all. Many words I could use to say what I think it is, but to ensure it passes the edit, I will just say pathetic.

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Part of the problem for you here is there are so many divisive issues.

Do you trust Wallace?
Do you trust the Easdales?
Do you support McCoist?
Do you trust King?
Do you want more youth in the team?
Do you want a team that just wins regardless?
Will you support a team with more youth regardless of inevitably more losses?
Will you/have you renewed your ST?
Are you going on a game by game basis?
Are you not going at all anymore?
Do you support the UOF?

At Celtic in the 90's, and maybe we are guilty of attempting to make it a bit more straightforward and crystal clear than it was at the time, my recollection was almost across the fanbase we just wanted the board out, that was the primary and almost sole objective. The team was rotten, the stadium needed massive improvement but we knew none of that was coming till we were well rid of Kelly's, White's, McGinn's etc.

I posed 10 questions above, if 100 fans did that poll you'd be hard pressed to find more than 10% agreeing on every one of them and there in lies the problem. There are SO many divisive, emotive issues.

Personally speaking, choose your action and if you can get up in the morning and look in the mirror and say "I know I'm doing what I think is right for Rangers. " Then that's all that matters.

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I'm alive I'm alive. It was touch and go for a while but thanks to my Doctors billyb, Baybear, lbj d and Gaz1 (who looked immaculate in his green scrubs) I survived.
We were all on a bit of a journey as the docs had never dealt with such a savaging from a French sweetie before but we got through it in the end.

Ah democracy thank goodness for free speech. I posted earlier "it can get quite heated on here at times" LOL really? Can't think what I meant.

To all Gers fans of whatever persuasion - sweet or savoury and Gaz 1 I hope you enjoy the coming season.

When I was 10 up to 20 my father paid for my season ticket for the last 40 years I have used the cash cheques and card to do that for myself but not this coming season.

Good luck to the more loyal and less loyal of us. All the best

This disease of supporting 1 club kinda of never leaves you so I will always want the best for my club- I just ain't giving them my money until it is "cleansed". Aye remember that phrase- didn't the "manager" say that to?

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15 May 2014 16:50:04
Just a post to say get well to Danny Mcgrain, along with our own, sadly departed Sandy Jardine, the best two full backs Scottish football ever produced, So all the best Danny.

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Hear hear, great pair of fullbacks,

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A Drumchapel boy like myself. get well soon danny.

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{Ed039's Note - A true legend, I hope Danny recovers quickly, a man from a day when players were both tough as hell and absolute gents)

Ed your post at 2 those were the days ffs now its more like a non contact sport it was good to see some rough but fare tackling but alas those days are going going gone eh

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@4 What if the youth failed to win us promotion then that policy would cost us money then reality really would bite.

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Get well soon Danny

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15 May 2014 14:22:09
if there is an agreement made it will be interesting to see what dave king will do because the share price will go up and he has already stated he won't line shareholders pockets and the other problem they have is the amount of bears who are not renewing there tickets because of ally so if the amount of tickets don't still add up to an amount to keep the club running where do they go from there? the obvious answer is get rid of him or does that give the bandits the chance to hold the fans to ransom over stadium these people a have no scruples b and still hold the aces over ibrox and murray park c because they have not given any security over ibrox just an agreement not to sell and lease it back d they can just call up loan and do what they want

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@ lbj d naw mate the agreement ibrox cannot be used as collateral for anything and they want the same with mp

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15 May 2014 16:03:04
"Beleaguered directors have offered a legally binding agreement to protect Ibrox from being used in a sale, leaseback or security against a loan after a summit with the Union of Fans. "


Chris 'No dark clouds over Ibrox' Graham & co should know without bothering any lawyer that that won't be very legally binding to an administrator or liquidator.

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Thebear82 I am not talking about collateral ia mean the paren company can call up the loan and take ibrox back whan ever suits them because parent company would be biggest creditor they would call the shots its not really a major issue for them to give the type of agreement they ar proposing

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15 May 2014 13:38:52
I went along to the hamilton game on Tuesday and what I saw was very impressive from the accies. team full of young boys with no fear passing the life out of falkirk. where are we going wrong. this is not just a flash in the pan. hamilton have been churning out talent for years. also if this is what we are going to be up against next season I feel it could be very embarrassing.
P. s. ibrox will always be ibrox to me. let's do it. sell the naming rights and gets some much needed cash in.

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Good post. Where are we going wrong you ask and the answer to that is in not risking enough to give our youth the same shot as the Accies players are given. Simple as that.

We almost won the under 20s league and we won the cup against a very experienced Hearts team. I keep hearing " we've got to strengthen the squad " and it's always strengthening by getting players in from other teams. We went all the way to Honduras to acquire a midfield player. What was that all about?

I'd like to see the Board step in and tell the manager " give our youth a chance " as part of his employment contract. I feel that strongly about it.

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Two great posts. Hamilton is a good example but if you look at Hearts, St Mirren, United, Killie in short just about every other club youth is getting a real chance. Just not at Ibrox or whatever it may in future be called.

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Greybear as you say other clubs are playing youngsters and I think its a must scottish football is dying on its feet try something difrent it won't do any more harm to the game in this country

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15 May 2014 10:49:43
I see Murrayfield has just agreed a £20 million deal to Rename it BT arena, what the bears thought on reigniting the naming rights of Ibrox. Its a business and sport now its not just about football any more.

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I have absolutely no problem with a rename of Ibrox. You mad if your willing to knock back that type of money over a name.

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Renaming the stadium I don't think would worry many bears but I think the problem would be getting some one to stump up the clubs reputation is not exactly ten carat gold

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15 May 2014 18:08:22
so long as the actual name Ibrox was always a part of that, and the money was right and went to the club, not the directors,

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Tommy45 my thoughts exactly

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15 May 2014 10:07:49
Its obvious from my post I was against the board and supported the efforts to secure the stadium and training ground for the fans of the club to ensure no matter what happens no asset stripper will every try what Whyte and Green did again. I am proud of those who stood against and did the painfull thing of with holding important money from the club, but dam it we deserve to be heard we give the board our hard earned cash and its finally nice to be heard. I hope a deal can be brokered for King to buy out the institutional investors and to work with the Easedales to return us to greatness. Well done my fellow UOF representitives for puting the foot down and saying enough is enough we deserve better and this is the start of a change for the better with the legal protection over "the big house" and the training park (refuse to call it Murray park) we can begin to relax a little more and look forward to next season and our return to the SPL.

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Hopefully we can all now unite, and McCoist can please go, move on and get us back to where we belong. Also D King should now put his money where his mouth is, and buy shares the same as some of us loyal fans have

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Nothingbuthestruth what they are offering is not to sell the stadium and lease it back which is laudable but they can turn round call the £16m loan in and do what they like with ibrox and murray park so I would say they have not caved in with out any difficulty they can basically still more or less still do what they want with the assets

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@1 Mccoist IS getting us back to where we belong.

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What at chelsea with the pensioners behave man

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Of course, if the promise is made by RIFC, it is worthless, as Ibrox and MP are in the name of TRFC Ltd. So there would be no legal impediment to TRFC turning round and doing a S&LB to RIFC or anyone else for that matter.

UoF: Read very carefully exactly what is being said and exactly by whom. Not for nothing did the native Americans come up with 'White man speaks with forked tongue'

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StEddy that's why the uof now have lawyers looking at the situation

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U don't need a lawyer to tell u that the parent company can pull the rug from below the football team or hold the gun to urf and say we need to borrow aginst ibrox and if u don't agree we will call up loan

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Steddy its hard to get some to understand if king said jump it would be how high u are 100% in what u say

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Ibj d ime pretty sure the uof know there must be an attempt stroke getting pulled thus they will have lawyers keeping them right and if what you are thinking is what boards thoughts well it will be a stalemate

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Aye your right that's why the uof are not agreeing to this attempt deal

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15 May 2014 08:57:14
I see this morning's papers are saying that the Rangers FC Board is on the brink of caving in over the Union of Fans' demand regarding Ibrox and the training ground. It seems they have agreed to protect Ibrox from ever being put up as security to any other party and the fans have demanded the same for the training ground. It shows that fan power can work. All we need now is for King to stop messing about and put his money where his mouth is. Come to think of that, why don't Brown, Gough and Amoruso all put their money in as well if they are that concerned? Once all is in place let's hope we get shot of Ally (forever a playing legend but useless manager) and get someone who will give the like of McLeod, Mackay, Gasparotto, Telfer and MacAusland a real chance.

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Great post DOIGER I agree with the whole post

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Problem is that if the board are unable to raise finance against their assets then it just makes administration more likely and any such security will NOT be binding on an administrator

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Is Telfer not off to Dundee Utd?

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I must say that I am surprised that the board have, apparently, stepped back and I will be happy to say '' I got it wrong. '' As Greybear says your spot on. I noticed, in a later post, that OCRSC refers to the naming rights of Ibrox and I would think that if King could tie that in with one of his interests then that could further re-inforce the hold on the stadium.

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Everone should recognise that £16m loan ia still on the books and in any event they they can call in the loan and do what they want and because of this at any time they can hold the fans to ransom and say we need to sell and lease the stadium back the club is in trouble and if u don't agree to this we will call in the loan that's how much they have caved in

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I agree lbj d, and you can bet that the amount will greater in the next accounts. Beware of Greeks giving gifts, comes to mind, but I'm sure King will be aware of that. That is why it is important, as you have said many times, to attain a bigger holding in the company.

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Billyb you are more the man for stating you got it wrong mate as you also say in later post now its time to really pay attention I hope dave king gets chance to buy shares

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15 May 2014 08:20:21
my god could there be a chance peace may break out or will king scupper any deal if common ground can be found let's crack on and get itsorted then turn our attention to macoist and get playing side sorted maybe xmas comes early but maybe onlymaybe

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Ibj just a thought sir. Don't you think that if King had not caused so much of a stir then the fans group would not have had such a bargaining hand. I am not sticking up for King but it seems to have worked to the Bears advantage and we do seem to be getting a constructive outcome.

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Ibj

This would be great news if it turns out to be true but It’s still going to take a commitment from all sides to get us back on track

The fans will have to commit to buying season tickets in the same numbers as the previous two seasons

The existing shareholders will have to commit to investing more money in a share issue, probably sometime later this year

The board will have to commit to bringing in more investment and running the company on a solid financial basis

Even Dave King can play his part but he must walk the talk and buy shares, 1m quid would give him about 5% and certain shareholder rights that go with that
I have never bought his excuse that buying shares only lines the pockets of others, if we look at the current major shareholders,
Laxey, Artemis, River & Mercantile, Hargreave and Easdale, (who own 40% between them) the fact is they all bought their shares at or after the IPO, meaning they either paid 70p or whatever the going rate was on the day they bought them.
If King made them an offer some may be tempted to sell part of their shareholding

Finally Murray Park or Auchenhowie or whatever its called, I have never been convinced that Rangers ever owned that outright

JG

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They own murray park but there is £500k charge against it by the sports council and a 100year lease ont the ground making it not worth a fortune

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Probably not but to me its not the real deal and king might accept it because that's not what he was after

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Meant to say might not accept it silly old me

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15 May 2014 06:33:37
I said no to today's pole simply because we are always saying we need to give youth a youth developer and chief scout and Goron Durie and Kirwoood are doing a fine job, I would move him on once everything is sorted though at least they help the young guys unlike our leader who just buys players, and well done the other night it was great to see a team in blue pass the ball for a change!

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I voted against g drurie bescause I think its vital the job he is doing continues the same way or don't tinker with something that's doing well

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I, likewise, voted against Durie moving up. Give him more time to keep producing the goods. Hopefully, more young players will get some first team experience this coming season.

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I agree with the above except I would point out there is very little point to the whole exercise if you have a "manager" that will not give these young players a chance.

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