Rangers Banter Archive July 15 2012

15 Jul 2012 23:39:58
Are the season ticket prices on sale for the new season yet or any rough price ? Definitely getting on to support ally and the team. {Ed039's Note - Nothing published yet, check rangers website for updates)

We haven't a licence yet, and no guarantee of one.Beginning to believe we will pay heavily for it.

15 Jul 2012 22:18:47
Here,s the end game
The SPL/SFA seem intent through administrations
ministrations to achieve Welsh Lge. status
tatus fine Where do Cardiff & Swansea
ea play Let SKY broker a deal for the
Old firm to join E4 & rise together
playing 4 times a year & let Craig
organise a game vs Lilliput @
Hamden,crowd blazers+2000

Why?
The Premiership doesn't need the old firm .
Fifa don't allow teams from different countries to join other leagues, if they did you would have teams from all over applying to join E P L because of the amount of cash involved.
Rangers and Celtic may feel they are to big for Scottish football but they have to accept that is all they have . So make the best of it and get on with trying to make our game as exciting as possible..
From a bairn (W A T S)

Sky are a broadcasting company they SHOW football.
English leagues neither want Newco or Celtic,nor do they need them. When will those facts ever sink in ?

Good post you are spot on Sky dont need "OLD FIRM GAMES", they make same money showing the English games, we were sponsored up here by SKY to keep the punters happy to a degree, as most punters in Scotland DONT GIVE "TOSS" ABOUT OLD FIRM they will just hype up the Edinburgh derbes or if Dfc go up the Dundee ones.

@1 Although I agree that the EPL don't need us and there is no chance of us getting into the English leagues, they already have teams from another country playing in their leagues. They have several Welsh teams like Swansea, Wrexham & Cardiff. Heck, Cardiff is even the capital city of Wales and they have a team in the English divisions. Lets also not forget that Scotland also have Berwick Rangers and Berwick Upon Tweed is in the North of England.

Just Saying

DO

15 Jul 2012 22:00:28
Prediction on the outcome of tomorrows SPL meeting - SPL and the SFL will merge and create a new 3 division league. There will be 14 teams in each league with play off's and a pyramid systems as requested by the SFL clubs. The Rangers FC (2012) will start in the 2nd division - this will appease the SPL, SFL and SFA. The chairmen of the 42 clubs will then vote to accept new structure no matter what their supporters want. If the Company I work for wants to change things, they certainly dont ask my opinion.

My prediction is NO CHANGE to league structure this year at least and very likely Regan to be out of a job by the end of the week.
BARNEY BEAR

Yes but they might just check the paying customers are happy.

15 Jul 2012 20:24:28
does anyone think tht celtic will lose all thr decent players by the time rangers get back to the spl in four years and it will be even between us and them

ross g

It's a distinct possibility, but i doubt very much. They will probably find it harder to purchase any players of quality, especially if they get dumped out of europe early. They lost tonight in a friendly against german minnows, Stuttgarter Kickers 1-0.

As long as they keep hold of that donkey brown any bears 11 will have a chance

Our brown may be a donkey but your brown is a fu ckin disgrace lol gees a drink

15 Jul 2012 20:00:08
all this crap about wanting to start again in div 3 is starting to make me laugh , i spoke on friday after the vote, to a workmate and he was in tears 40 years of his life devoted to rangers and for to end up like this broke his heart . thats what true supporters are feeling not hatred to everyone else . i hope for his sake rangers make a speedy return to where they belong

We are all taking a hit on this. I have been following the gers since the late 60's and being liquidated, then a newco in Div 3 is like a death in the family. But we will get over this and move on. We're in this mess due to our own fault (not the fans etc i know) and it's time to stop blaming others, roll up our sleeves and get down to the hard work of rebuilding our club in SFL3. Stop with the bickering about other Clubs/fans etc, it is getting us nowhere. Let's concentrate on picking up the pieces and begin anew.

15 Jul 2012 19:17:47
lot of rubbish this tv deal /scottish football will die rubbish. clubs will reduce costs cut their cloth accordingly will be a good thing for the game and will make spl a good product again. personally i think we got rid of a lot of deadwood easily like lafferty, naismith, mcgregor, goian, whittaker.

Are u for real? Naismith, McGregor and Goian were not deadwood. They are very good players that we have lost. Good luck to them for the future, thanks for the memories.

15 Jul 2012 18:37:20
Looking at posts over past couple of
days, you all seem to be gloating that
some SPL clubs will suffer because
you are now in SFL3.
I did some research and found that most
SPL clubs have reported an increase
in season ticket sales.
Also sorry bears, but the SKY tv money
will be paid as normal this season, I
have been told by a person who knows
about these things, that SPL had an
option to renew SKY deal from 2012/2013
which they have done, so all monies
due will be paid on 6 august, despit
best scaremongering of ex RFC apologists.
Now to your own club, with no tv monies
very little sponsorship, and reduced
crowds paying less than SPL rates,
your club will struggle to break even
this season.
If Celtic reach Champions League
group stages for next 3 years we
will earn minimum £40m MORE than
your club. How are you going to
make up such a big financial gap
Timalloy

How are you going to reach the Champions stages? You are going to loose big earners you dont need to compete against Rangers for 3 years. It does amaze me that you are in a Rangers Forum ranting p@&sh!
Jog on nobody wants you in here spreading your anti Rangers venom.

Haha if celtic make group stages! Haha cheered me right up, turn off the computer and go to bed.

Celtic will have significantly higher costs. End of. Also think Celtic will struggle to attract players of the current standard in 12 months time. I don't wish the death of the spl but as a fan fan living outside Scotland, the spl is very poor standard and I think more fans will stop watching in years to come.

Timalloy, you have been told all these things by Ed007 so why not just say this instead of pretending you know real people.
As for celtic getting into the group stages of europe, oh dear oh dear

Champions league. Don't make me laugh. 40 million? Aye right you are.Pacific shelf are a laughing stock in Europe.

Interesting, Timalloy says there will be no financial problem. I assume you know more than Kilmarnock's chairman and St Mirren's eh? Ignore what the businessmen running the club think timalloy says it all ok.

As for your Europe point, dream on you will be lucky to reach the group stages once in three seasons. You just don't get it do you? No competition means players will want to leave, the SPL will become even more of a joke league and as a result will be less attractive to foreign players who want to use it as a shop window for the EPL. Haven't you notice Wanyama already wants to leave.

Quite simply you are talking b****cks about the Sky deal. I would be surprised if you actually knew anyone who would talk to you. Never mind somebody in the know. Quite simply Celtic have no chance of qualifying for the Champions league. Yet again you are showing yourself up for the idiot you are.

"a person who knows
about these things" same persoon who told you we were going into admin every friday for a year? :o) bbb

Am a Celtic fan and Timalloys so far up Ed 007s arse he doesnt know what day of the week it is. Its frankly embarrasing.

Yeah yeah, I have a source too who I will name, poor wee Maureen who took my call when I cancelled my sky sports subs. She advised me that the deal is dependent on 4x old firm matches and at the rate of cancellations she thinks the deal may be worth 2 packets of cheese and onion crisps. Let the great debate begin, should we try for smokey bacon

"IF celtic make the cl group stages for the next three years...."- i'll give you longer odds on that one than anyone else bar your team winning the sp-hell dhimy!

Yeah, you're absolutely spot-on re: sky too. Of course they'll pay just the same money for an even deader duck than we already have commercially speaking. :-P

This "person" certainly sounds a proper person!

15 Jul 2012 18:20:58
please can we have another suger daddy to spend his money on rangers buy us all the best players so we can win the league and have a crack at europe again . or maybe its time to live within our means and work with the money we generate

Lets bring back playing Tina Turner songs at Ibrox. Starting with, "We don't need another hero".

Live within our means, didn't Celtic owner pay Roy Keane's wages when he was at Celtic as club couldn't afford to?

Why are you guys on this site? Shouldn't you be discussing young master lemons next mental breakdown on some site of your own if such a site exists?

@2 agree, a celtic owner who is an absentee landlord,who i very much doubt pays any u k taxes and has financed more than one high earner at parkhead in recent seasons,sporting integrity indeed,,,,,,,

15 Jul 2012 18:01:17
if rangers progress in the scottish cup i bet they would love to be drawn against the mighty celtic

Wee teams always want to draw the big gun(s), it's the romance of the cup :)

Many a thing is said in jest !!

Do you think for a minute that we WONT get drawn together in one of the cups ? I'd say it's a stonewaller. {Ed039's Note - Do you think the draws will be fixed then?)

15 Jul 2012 17:24:38
Dear rangers fans , let us not pretend that div 3 is what we all want, it will be a disasterous 3 years till we return to the top flight ,our club will struggle along and possible get weaker although never die i hope. we are on the outside looking in , and yes maybe getting a laugh at others struggling even going bust like we did , but we are still on the outside , wanting in

Don't think you talk for the majority,yes we want to be back but at a pace where we can compete which at the present time is not now,we will though move onwards and upwards

Div 3 is what we have been allowed to participate in. We have been permitted a place in the league structure thanks to the SFL clubs. It has nothing to do with what we want. We are a newco and have to rebuild and start again, this we will do and as long as the fans follow the team, then we will be back at the top table in the not-to-distant future.

15 Jul 2012 17:11:13
any news on browns announcement at 2.00 today

More don't buy your season tickets, but support the manager I'm no genius but that takes the biscuit ps he also said he was investing 40,000 fook we are saved :)

The way things are going that at least might by ibrox back ,

Only a numbty of the stature of Bomber would fail to see the contradiction in that statement. Am getting really fed up with this clown. He really seems to want Rangers to go straight back into liquidation the moment we get out of it and he really is endangering our club.
Barney Bear

15 Jul 2012 16:37:36
Democracy - where 2 idiots can outvote a genius !

LUVGERS !!

Democracy - the worst possible system of decision making, apart from all the others that have been tried.
Winston Churchill.

No, the genius starts a political party and gets the idiots to vote for him. better than fascism.

15 Jul 2012 16:50:03
John Brown reckons Craig Whyte still pulls the strings at ibrox,andygers74

15 Jul 2012 16:01:26
What makes me sick about all this and continues to make me sick is the moral high ground by most.

How many of us have:
stolen something
found something but kept it
perhaps not paid their Poll Tax back in the day
beaten someone up
witnessed an assault yet did nothing
speed when driving
perhaps drink when driving
claimed expenses they shouldn't
lied on their insurance forms
paid for labour in cash
taken cash for labour
the list can go on and on

There will be a good few of us on this list committing more than one offence.

Yet we all cant wait to point the finger elsewhere. Chastise, spew venom and anger with pure disgust. Condemn, ridicule hate, love to hate.

I am looking forward to no longer being associated with most of it. Looking forward to watching our club play football, with kids who want to play for us and earn good money not enormous money.
I'm looking forward to help support my club to start again, hopefully to do it the right way. Maybe we wont be the biggest club in Europe, maybe we wont be in Europe for many many years. I'm looking forward to paying good money and perhaps helping the lower leagues grow. In a few years take my young boys along and tell the story of it all. Maybe they will like it maybe they wont but I'll have a story and a moral point to make about it all. And when we get back to the top the story will be even bigger than it is currently, it might even be held in higher esteem than all the trophies. It will definitely bring back the pride.

Perhaps its time to leave Celtic and everyone else behind, let them squabble fight and perhaps disappear. There are new challenges to be taken up. New Trophies to be one new leagues to be conquered and new opponents to beat. All this will be done with a new Rangers, a better Rangers, a stronger Rangers. A Rangers who should never forget how we got here and how not to do it.


Heres to the new season being the best bloody season we've had
GDog
RTID

As you say in many years to come ..........but maybe it will be celtic and others who are going to leave you behind, and the story you will be telling your children is the truth not the romance , about the unpaid bills the tax avoidance the unfair advantage .and the hatred you have shown to everyone for all these years and im sure your children will not like this

Was that "new trophies to be won (not one) illegally, new leagues to be abused, and new opponents to threaten?"

Even if you could move who would have you?

Well said GDog, everything you say is spot on, though we shouldn't want to leave everyone behind. Think it's time for Scottish football fan to unite and make our football what it once was. The greatest
Bobbyblue

Bobbyblue I mean leave it behind as in leave it alone, let them get on with it.

As for the rest of you maybe you should read what I wrote again. My children will be told the truth, the moral point will be made. Once again your on your moral high ground, you clearly are not capable of reading a simple few sentences and understanding them.

as for the word 'one' it was a simple mistake. Good to see you managed to read that far though.

GDog
RTID

15 Jul 2012 15:27:36
Guys,I'm a bit concerned that we only have 1 shot at getting this rebuilding job right and not sure we have men to do it.i think we should b looking at bringing maybe Dutch or Spanish coaches to the club and turning Murray park into a proper academy for super ally to work with.it may take longer to get to the spl but could give us a strong foundation for the future!

Where is the money coming from to run murray park ? the last i heard murray farmed it out and had to pay a transfer fee for any youth that came throu because he couldnt afford the running costs was in 3.5 million a year ??so murray park wont be producing many players

15 Jul 2012 14:44:34
SFA and Sporting Integrity?

From as long as 4 weeks ago it was fairly obvious, that SPL clubs would vote Rangers out of the SPL, (rightly IMO). SFA seemed to bury their heads in the sand expected a miracle, instead of lobbying the SFL as to their likely intentions, (which was also highly likely to be Div 3). Also correct IMO, from an integrity perspective).
So why then, on the back of the SPL vote then, offer up an incentive of reconstruction, only if Rangers are voted into Div 1, (if it's not for the greater good of the Scottish game). Although this may still happen, if there was ever evidence of bribery in the public domain, this has to be it. Integrity my .... The lunatics are running the asylum and must surely resign.
Also , if we do not get out of Div 3 at the first attempt, look forward to playing Dundee Utd, Dundee, (serial administration), Kilmarnock, St Johnstone....Etal in Div 3 next season. Lets face it, with our fan base liquidation could be an incentive.

A very good point,and if they dont press ahead with these changes then it would only confirm the bribery that was taking place. Regan out.Basket-case.

15 Jul 2012 13:46:37
Does anyone think it is becoming more
conceivable that the SFA might just spit the dummy right out the pram and not grant us our licence for next season even although the SFL clubs have voted to allow us to play in SFL3? There is nothing coming out of Ibrox about season ticket prices and arrangements for next season which is only 2 weeks away!

Gers1986

Yeah thats exactly what they are going to do NOT.Because if they did they might as well just wined up the whole of scottish football and put themselves out of a job because many other teams will go exactly the same way.Kilmarnock and Inverness will be lucky if they make it to the start of the season.Then Dundee U Motherwell and Hearts will struggle to make it to the end of the season.

15 Jul 2012 13:50:06
Most expensive season ticket prices in D3...
Annan 130
Berwick 140
Clyde 150
Elgin 175
East Stirling 120
Queens Park 160
Montrose 180
Peterhead 200
Stirling Albion 150

I imagine a season ticket for ibrox will be around the 200-250 mark...

15 Jul 2012 13:39:39
Great readig in the papers today. Dundee utd potentially facing administration, their supporters have been particularly vengefull against and have dressed their spite up as sporting integrity.I would urge all gers fans to put the squeeze on by cancelling youre sky sports subscriptions and tell the person you spek to at sky why you are cancelling.We can now take our medicine in the third and sit back and enjoy the carnage unfolding in the spl.

Cancelled mine today watch most spl teams struggle with less tv money

How sick that you'll revel in another club in financial trouble. If your car was nicked would you wish that your neighbour's was too just to make you feel better?

So I'm supposed to give up my Sky package and stop watching the Premiership, La Liga and as a darts fanatic events like the forthcoming World Matchplay at Blackpool in the hope that it might just help to make Dundee United's finances less stable?

No thanks & anyway why should I punish Sky because my club are going to be in Div 3? I think there's two main reasons for this happening, one is called Murray and the other is called Whyte. So get a grip!

@2 Revel in another Club's financial trouble? Is that not what the rest of Scottish Football has been doing all through this Rangers saga? Now they get to realise that their joy at punishing another clubs shortcomings will not hide their own! Watch Scottish Football slowly die as they have signed their own death warrant! It had 2 lifelines Rangers and Celtic and they have chosen to cut one off! Unfortunately one cannot function to its full potential without the other! The sooner narrow minded supporters realise this the better! It's like having Sky HD without an HD tv! Pointless!

@4: what punishment? Any other club in Rangers' position would have been treated the same way, if not worse in that they'd have had to enter a contest with other applicants to the league. Where is the punishment you - and other fans of your thinking - claim there has been?

Agreed I'm cancelling not giving to hoots for spl no more,an before am accused of al sorts,my reasons are simple,it's basically boring.can watch games I want on ma laptop notably English prem an la liga.bye bye spl.

@5 The fans punishment has been to sit and have to listen to supporters of other clubs preach to us about our club as if we are responsible! 10 point deduction, illegal transfer embargo, fine after fine for a club in administratioN (Kinda sums up the idiots at the SFA!) and wanting points deducted for years! Yes these are mainly all punishments that any club would have received! Why then do so many people want Rangers punished further? Are we such a special case that they have to make up punishments to appease the blood hungry hordes that seem to have found a voice through all this? If they removed themselves from their computer and shifted themselves to support their team on matchday then maybe the financial implications of Rangers troubles on their clubs wouldn't be such a problem!

@7: only the embargo and fine were punishments - the only punishments. Everything else is a consequence. It's a shame the fans are suffering but that's the way it is.

15 Jul 2012 12:32:24
how do we get rid of cg and ticketus once and for all my thinking is they will have to be paid in full or rangers are doomed to a slow death , if they are owed 20 odd million murray park and ibrox wont cover that but selling them will get them more than the cva was offering ,also it would cripple us

15 Jul 2012 12:06:03
just reading about the ticketus involvment in sevco isnt life a bitch to be stitched up lol

15 Jul 2012 12:00:54
Who Are the Mysterious Sevco/Rangers Investors?

15 Jul 2012 11:19:37
I see from this mornings newspapers the SPL turkeys who voted for Xmas are now starting to panic. Their decisions were based only on the anti rangers feeling among their fans. They didnt think through the massive implications of their decisions. Job losses and clubs going under are just the tip of the iceberg. the spiteful anti rangers fans of other clubs will destroy scottish football. Scottish football is now the laughing stock of World football can u imagine the EPL sending Man Utd to Div 2 in England or La Liga sending Real Madrid to the lowest league in Spain in similar circumstances doubt it! I agree Rangers needed to be punished severely with points deductions/transfer embargos/made to pay all debts etc but sending them to Div 3 is catastrophic for Scottish football. The lunatics have taken over the asylum. The anti rangers agenda from supporters of other clubs is tiresome and spiteful and will come back to haunt them. These people are more obsessed with being anti rangers than supporting and understanding the implications to their own teams. Absolute idiots! The rangers saga to me sums up Scottish football as a whole. Corrupt Spiteful and facing oblivion.

What a stupid post.No one is sending rangers anywhere,they are being liquidated.Sevco are starting in division three as per the rules for a new club.

@1. so you pick one bit out of his statement and ignore the rest kind of proves his point really. only time will tell...mark.

15 Jul 2012 10:32:40
Forget the SPL 2 thing it aint going to happen. There will be a suspension for a year coming. SPL plans have backfired and they are now working out how they get the Gers back into the SPL in one year. One year ban and back in next year with sanctions. That's whats coming fellow Gers. The reality of admin for 5 SPL teams has kicked in and this will happen. SPL 2 would be too difficult to get buy into in 2weeks. This could be agreed in 5mins and will be the proposal coming from SPL. What do you say fellow Gers? I say no thanks we're in the 3rd.

SPL clubs took great pleasure in telling the world they would vote no to newco in SPL all the while doing a back handed deal with sfa about getting us in to the sfl div 1. Then spit the dummy when sfl clubs vote no and are now wanting us back because of the probable loss of sky cash. Now the sfa wasn't to punish us further,which would make matters worse. Can anyone answer these two questions.
1) what about sporting integrity now.
2)does anyone know what the hell is going on?

I agree there is a chance that we are suspended for a year though it's odds against.

As for 5 SPL clubs going into admin within within weeks can anybody explain to me why exactly this is likely, if they do - and I reckon at most one will throughout the season and probably none - it won't all be down to Rangers being in Div 3, it will be down to poor stewardship of their club.

PS. Sky aren't just going to just walk away, believe me on this one.

Barney Bear

@2. barney i agree sky wont walk away but they will knock about twenty million off the current deal...mark.

The bottom line is it has become obvious the only reason we did not get voted back into the SPL is because of the hatred shown to rangers by fans of other teams.Now if they want us back it should be on our terms.Suspension for a year and then sanctions and penalties just would not work as you would not keep a team of players for a year and even if we did they would need paying how would we afford that with no revenue.Then if there were sanctions you could not buy players so you would have no team.Like i said if they need us back ASAP then we have them by the balls.Like i have said before the other teams better look out they enjoyed kicking us when we were down but now we are getting back up.

Barney bear I suggest you read doncaster's statement on the BBC premier league website regarding Sky deal. In the article he is quoted as saying value to Sky will be 3 mill instead of 20.7 mill without Rangers in SPl. the article also gives the general Manager of Motherwell's breakdown on how most clubs may be able to cover basic running costs but without sky money they will be unable to service their debt levels. This will leave a negative balance with banks chasing for unpaid debt. Hope this answers your question regarding the other clubs. situations

Ozzie Al

15 Jul 2012 10:25:03
How many my fellow bears would be willing to pay the full spl season ticket money to increase our clubs revenue for our fight back to the spl on the agreement that no dividents are paid to shareholders?

Yeah aslong as i knew the money stayed in rangers bank account. how can that be guarenteed tho?

15 Jul 2012 09:46:46
I think we should be looking at ex players and getting them back to ibrox. they know what it means to play for the gers and will show the passion needed to guide us back up to spl.
what about players like stevie thompson at st mirren or novo, gavin rae, andy webster or prso. guys like these

These guys still need to be payed for their services.

When will fans realise the players only "Play for the Jersey" when it is lined with £50 notes

15 Jul 2012 09:06:35
just been reading the papers and i see the spl and the sfa are sh*ting there pants trying to get the gers back in some way. personally myself hope the gers stay in div 3. **** them. graeme

Do not blame any of the SPl Clubs directly for not voting rangers direct entry to the SPl, but their chairmen did make a decision based on an assumption that unfortunately will spell the end for Scottish Football.

Already some chairmen are now realising the consequences of that decision even Celtics own Manager has stated he is unsure if he will be getting any more players in with less revenue. The standards of the SPl will fall even further and the loss of the sky deal is only the start, with many other sponsors already deciding if they will pull out or re negotiate sponsorship. Only the dumbest of supporters who would not even pass a school arithmetic test and with no knowledge of economics would think otherwise. There may not even be an SPL when five or six clubs go to the wall and teams in the 1st Div do not have the finances to survive in the SPL. I feel sorry for those clubs and the workers in particular. This has come about through the idiotic vote of the SPL chairmen and in no way can the blame for the death of the SPL be blamed on Rangers F.C.

Ozzie Al

15 Jul 2012 08:46:03
Mr Giovanni Di Stefano?
Just bought shares in the old RFC says he wants to repay Rangers as they were the only club that backed him when at Dundee?
Mr Green?
A front for Ticket Us to get there money back?
All this before my first coffee this could be a interesting day.
You have to admit it is no wonder that Celtic like coming into this forum we are by far the most interesting football club in the world!!

15 Jul 2012 04:32:59
"sporting integrity" are the words of the year. I still do not really understand why not paying Paye and NI have to do with "sporting integrity".

Let's have a look at the other players in this fiasco.
SPL chairmen are now hammering the SFL for not allowing newco into div one. SPL chairmen wanted our money, and thought that SFL would do as they were told.
But they didn't. So now the panic is on as they realise that it will be four years before they earn from us.
Not much "sporting integrity" here I feel.

SFA have already decided according to Regan that Dundee will be promoted, there are emails to prove that. The decision is to be made on Monday. Not much "sporting integrity" here I feel.
They then try to threaten SFL clubs to accept the newco into div one. Hardly much "sporting integrity" here I feel.

SPL chairmen that have charged Old Firm fans £8-£10 pounds more for tickets than they do other clubs. Not much "sporting integrity" here then I suggest.

They pass a transfer embargo that is not in their rule books, which the judge described as unlawful, and yet they are talking more sanctions. Not much "sporting integrity" here then I feel.

These people do not have one ounce of integrity between them. Suggest they put their own house in order before accusing anybody of lack of integrity.

Everything about it has been a fiasco but lets not forget why it happened in the first place

By not paying Tax and NI on wages,plus the avoiding of VAT payments,rangers effectively stayed in business as a football club longer than they should have.Add the fact that you also owed millions to clubs for transfers and that is your "sporting integrity" question answered,i feel.

Not really #2, thanks for the answer but it doesn't really ring true. All the things you pointed out happened last season, a season where we won nothing and lost a great deal. not talking about fines and points deductions but our place in the SPL, for many of us the belief in the dignity of our club and a place in a top European competition and the extra revenue that it promises. The whole sporting integrity bit relates to people saying we cheated. We didn't, we went into administration as other had before us. Where exactly was the intent to cheat anyone?

15 Jul 2012 00:56:08
Reading through a few of the posts below and a few questions spring up....
1. What will the newco be called?
2. Do we think they will be able to play at ibrox every week with the obvious overheads?
3. Will the ownership of ibrox be an issue?
4. Can a squad be put together in time for start of league?
5. Why the belief that rangers were voted out of spl?
6. Why do people continually speak about further sanctions being applied to the newco?
7. Honestly what crowds can be expected for div 3 games? - easy to talk about 50k crowds but is 10-15k more likely
8. Would fans happily pay spl prices for next 3/4 years to allow newco to build up a decent igniting fund?

Honest discussion please.

Jd

1) the rangers fc
2) personally I don't think so too many over heads
3) rangers was ran by rangers men and look where it got them? Business is business these guys in charge will try and run it to a profit of some kind then leave either that or sell the assests and leave.
4) that's purely down to youth need to put them in a sink or swim situation rangers should cruise division 3
5) like anyone people thought they were too big to go down I'm glad there in div 3 as if it was div 1 then if anyone else goes bust then they will want div 1& properly won't so they would go to division 3. Really it sets the rules out if you go bust then you start from the bottom.
6) nah not for the newco its a clean sheet old rangers yes if the ebt is guilty then that's fair enough.
7) well this is where you find out if you are the people I think for the 1st few games it will be busy but it really depends on how much tickets cost
8) if the fans done that then green will rub his hands he's not been open enough to the fans to charge funny money if Walter Smith or someone was in charge then they could brass neck it a little. Division 3 dearest season ticket is £200 if they make it cheap enough then I think you will pull in a crowd because this is his last real chance at making money as he's not got the players too sell to make up money.

Honest answers from a celtic fan. Rangers starting from the bottom could give you a taste for youth you might find a few gems in the lower league's and sell them on might make a bit of money from them.

Lenny

Q1) Not sure but something with Rangers FC in the title.
Q2) I believe they will manage just fine
Q3) Listed heritage building not an issue.
Q4) It will be difficult but with a manager like super Ally, anything is possible.
Q5) Only other clubs saying this, we were refused re admittance.
Q6) Because there is still a lot of jealousy and bile being exhibited towards them and it annoys people who try as they might cannot destroy us. (Tall Poppy Syndrome)
Q7) Home games 25,000 to 30,000 away games full houses.
Q8) I feel they would in order to prepare for our return to the SPL and to provide Ally with enough to bring in 2 or 3 quality players, enough to take the title on our return

14 Jul 2012 22:39:43
ed, or fellow BEARS, In all the drama
these last few days can anyone
remind me what teams have
supported us?

Kilmarnock, Hamilton Accies and Queen of the South

It is not a case of what teams have supported you. All the clubs in Scotland have supported you by voting you into the SFL .
We don't need you but we would rather have you in our league system because of your fanbase . Our teams will carry on with or without you . We might end up like the Danish or Swedish league but we will still survive. Denmark and Sweden both qualified for Euro 2012 so they can't be that bad.
I hope your club survives and helps the Scottish game to move forward.
From a bairn ( WATS )

Its not the other clubs fault. Fan power has forced their hand. We need to get over this "whos fault" and just support our own team. By the look of the papers today at least 6 groups of fans are probably having second thoughts and will "shock horror" have to dig deep to help their clubs. CheltBlue.

29 clubs supported you to join sfl, Clyde didn't, 25 wished for league 3 which is what Gould have happened anyway.

14 Jul 2012 21:58:10
My sources have confirmed that a Mr Giovanni Di Stefano has bought shares in The Rangers Football Club plc (old company) Thoughts??

Craigy Bear

This one has been doing the rounds all week maybe he is a front for HMRC to get there cash back? lol
I mean just why would you buy shares in a club about to be liquidated? Especially one that is in millions of debt?

Sources? You mean you read the nutter's twitters yesterday. Who cares, he's a distraction and not bringing any value to the party.

I think he may need help, but if I had the money Id probably try the same thing. But Im a fan, wtf is he up to? CheltBlue

How could he. the shares are suspended on the stock market. stupid.

@1 if cw is charged with fraud then hmrc and tickitus debt would be his,hmrc lose tax tribunal then oldco has debts of less than £6mill .the only problem is green has assets but rrangers could ground share ,go back to renting traing facilities and the albion car park, well i've always parked on the street,so maybe......

15 Jul 2012 00:18:53
Just seen this on DAFC.net, lets hope this isn't true, we have been let down enough!


From CQN:

'I will be doing a blog on ex Rangers players and their Tax Secrets for next week on 9/7/2012.

But first how the money is being siphoned out of Ibrox back to Ticketus

The motivation to invest £5.5 million into a club which you have no conceivable interest in has baffled people all over Scotland ever since Charles Green intimated that he wanted to take control of Rangers football club.

Some think £5.5 million seems to be a bargain now that the club has been liquidated but at the time when Charles Green came onto the scene it was potentially a £140 million money pit. Green was still intent on purchasing the club through a CVA but with a paltry offer of £8.7 million for creditors, some would say a deliberate low offer to induce the Liquidation of the club thus ridding Charles Green of the HMRC bill.

So Charles Green bought the assets of Rangers football club for £5.5 million and started a new company called Sevco 5088 which will operate from the premises which used to house Rangers football club.

So the question is still, what is Charles Greens motivation?

First of all Octopus Investments are the parent company of Ticketus. Ticketus are the company who were left £26 million out of pocket when Craig Whyte put Rangers into Administration. Ticketus were Rangers second biggest creditors (first being HMRC) when Rangers went into Administration.

Octopus are investors in the company Zeus Capital who are running Sevco 5088 with Charles Green.

Let me bring to your attention Imran Ahmed and Brian Stockbridge.

Imran Ahmed founded and was Chief Executive of a company Allenby Capital Limited. Brian Stockbridge worked as a nominated adviser at Allenby Capital.

Allenby Capital were brokers and advisers for Octopus on numerous occasions in different business transactions.

On January 2012 Brian Stockbridge joined Zeus Capital and in April 2012 Imran Ahmed also joined Zeus Capital. On the 14th of June Charles Green bought the assets of Rangers and installs these two guys to help run Sevco 5088.

How does Charles Green fit into the Octopus/Zeus cog?

Charles Green is the only man in the whole equation that has any back ground in football or sports when it comes to business in all of this.

Zeus Capital worked with Charles Green when he was at Sheffield United.
Zeus worked with Charles Green when he disposed of Sports Management company, Gresham PE. Now Formation Group.

Remembering that Octopus are financial backers of Zeus Capital and Zeus are nominated advisers and brokers for Octopus there is only one man for the job. Charles Green. And the job is? Getting the Ticketus money back.

It was very recently announced that Sevco 5088 will be using Metro Bank as their banking facility as RBS refused an arrangement with Sevco 5088 and Fast Pay a direct debit company. I believe this to be bullshampoo.

Octopus will get their money back�����

Through a company called Caerus Wealth.

Their Group Investment Director is Ronan Kearney who is also the Venture Fund manager at Octopus Investments.

Their Chairman and CEO is Keith Carby who is the founder and Non Executive Director of Metro Bank.
(return of the friendly bank manager)

Octopus get their money without the Sevco 5088 (t)rangers fans even knowing it. Once the money is recouped, Green, Ahmed and Stockbridge sell the assets and that�s their bonus.

Or if an offer comes in that covers all cost and monies its a quick sale and thanks for the £memories£.

A foot note to all of this.

If any Chairman of any football team reads this. Sevco 5088 will not be investing in Scottish football in any way shape or form. So if they aren�t investing in the product, the quality will go down, the footfall of supporters will go down and your club will go down.

Its far better to allow a small club to grow than it is to have a big club rot and take you down with it.

This has been the plan all along. It is a tried and tested way in all liquidations. Duff and Phelps have been involved from valentines day. Everyone will make some cash . Rangers are the by product . The club will come back but it is being used and it will take a long time.

The third div rooked all their plans. Fans also no longer have the stomached to chip in for Ticketus.

The master plan is of course (which Green has said) to organise a share issue, where fans will buy shares and the proceeds to the Investors. Not to Invest in the football club.

Am I being thick or something? Octopus/Ticketus to get their £26M back - how? who from? Selling the assets as a bonus? - what else is there to cash in?

That is a chilling post....too much in there to be untrue.
we need to wake up.

If you look hard enough into businesses you will find links to different companies everywhere and individuals. you even change the wording in your own statement from octopus being investers to being financial backers in zeus. so then all knowing one how much of zeus do they own and why try to get banking facilities at rbs if the plan was metro all along?...mark.

14 Jul 2012 23:19:42
Its a bit late in the day for SPL chairman who are rightly worried for the financial stability of their clubs coming out with their statements of doom. Their fans asked for sporting integrity and that has been delivered. They passed the buck hoping that the SFL would roll over and put our team into D1 pandering to The SPL financial model allowing them to keep face with their fans. As a of bear of 45 years I personally hope the SPL clubs survive without going into administration. Scottish football is at a low enough ebb already and I know this as i coach teens and it's very difficult to get them interested in our national game. We put our faith in a few people who screwed us over and brought our club to its knees. Our club will survive although the next few years will be painful. Lets not in our anger towards those who have done us wrong wish for a race to the bottom.