Rangers Banter Archive April 15 2013

15 Apr 2013 21:11:57
We all want to see more fans coming to back to football. The reconstruction efforts have failed. Now the witch hunt will start on St. Mirren and Ross County.

Am I missing something here?

We want fans back, why not ask the fans what they want?

Let's do a survey of all season ticket holders that go to Scottish football, let them have four options:

1) status quo
2) 12-12-18
3) 14-14-14
4) 18-12-12

I am happy to add on any other options. Surely if it's fans we want to attract, then ask them, it's called common sense, something clearly lacking at Hampden.

"We want fans back into football ". really? speaking on behalf of a Rangers support that willingly took part in the recent boycott of Tannidice. really.?

1) ok so you don't want fans back, then turn off the lights and shut the doors. This is exactly what is wrong with this country, petty point scoring, bile, dross. You couldn't give a s. t about the game, you have one purpose, slag Rangers. You have probably not been inside a ground in your puff. It's your bedtime, school tomorrow.

@1 why do shoot down a reasonable proposition of what the fans of Scottish football might want with a petty rant? I really feel you should contribute more positively.

A bigger top tier will result in too many meaningless games. That's te problem now and we only have 12 teams. The 12 12 18 could have worked in my mind anyway but we'll never know.

10-10-regional

only way to go, far too many clubs in the league structure. top 2 divisions of 20 teams spreading wealth among the full time clubs, 2 up 2 down play each other 4 times.

1 relegation from league into non-league each season with 1 team coming up, but the promoted team must be full time or is not allowed entry.

time we started being sensible and stop all the splits and talk of 14/16/18 team leagues- utter nonsense.

I would like to see a performance-related incentive for clubs who qualify for Europe. If clubs do not make it to the group stages then the SFA (or whovever) withhold any bonuses from matches including tv income. The money would be redistributed to other clubs.

Really don't think having 10 teams will reduce 'meaningless games'. Look at the Premiership. No one says anything about meaningless games there.

N6 wow could your idear work say for instence ross county draw b munich so no reward for rc good season also ime only naming ross county for an example no other reason

17 Apr 2013 03:28:52
@1 really. really?/ are you someone who is so blind? really. who said the guy was speaking on behalf of the rangers support?, go back under your rock m8, tommyblue, and get someone to tell you of the thousands of sellik fans who threatened to boycott anyone who voted in favour of rangers, cretin.

15 Apr 2013 20:36:59
had to laugh at milne of aberdeens comments about st mirren voting against reconstruction who does he think he is 90 percent of fans didn't want it st mirren should be thanked along with ross county

Milne like nearly all the other chairmen in the SPL only listen to their fans when it suits them. The funny thing is that he sided with Celtic to keep the 11-1 vote and now it's come back to bite him with vengeance. Fair play to both St Mirren & Ross County for standing up to the bullying tactics of the other SPL teams and voting in the name of sporting integrity

Couple of past statements -

"You can't ignore fans. Any business which ignores its customers is doomed to fail".
Stephen Thompson, Dundee United, 9th June 2012.

"However, the league must not be compromised by changing the rules during the course of the competition and these decisions should not be made on an ad-hoc basis".
Peter Lawwell, 22nd April 2008.

He looked like he was going to cry hahahhahah

He has the bare-faced cheek to accuse st mirren of being motivated purely by "self interest" and no "acting in the best interests of the game at large" too! What a bloody hypocrite! the association of sheep supporters groups should release a statement comending "the rebel two" for their actions in throwing out this junk no fans want. Their chairman is more of an embarrassment than ours.

And btw. I 'm a tic man and it annoys me to see green wearing the rangers tie and blazer. (Like his puppermaster white he too can this a Windsor knot or do up his top button ever). He doesn't deserve to wear it. HH joe

To OP, I didn't understand the benefits as it was never explained properly and would probably have been in the 90%. Maybe, if the truth was laid bare and the reasons this change was SO important were made clear we could have seen why it had to happen.

To @2, Lawwell's quote was referring to extending the league when Rangers where in the UEFA final. Remember that the league WAS extended by 4 days. (So much for running Scottish football)

To @4, "Their chairman is more of an embarrassment than ours". REALLY?!

At the end of the day, the 11-1 voting structure is severely flawed as any change will disadvantage at least 1 team. But also, pushing through a major restructure so quickly is amateur and shows desperation.

Shuggy

@6 did liewell didn't want the league extended when rangers went to euro final and came up with the celtics trip to Japan that they never went on plus am sure the bears had to play 5/6 games in 15 days liewell will never do anything for good of the game he only cares for 1 club

To #7, not disagreeing with you, but the league was extended. Lawwell will look after Celtic's interests, it's his job. Green will look after his own interests, it's his nature. Doesn't mean that a chairman can't see that a healthy Scottish football is good for his club. Just wonder whether a lot of these chairmen think like that.

Anyway, you can't be quoting somebody and making them stick to it. For example:

1) "No matter how Charles Green attempts to dress it up a NewCo equals a New Club. When the CVA was thrown out Rangers as we know them Died. They were closed and a NewCo must start from scratch, although there fans will insist the history will be boxed up with the strips and the balls and carried into the future with the New Club"

then

2) "But why is it that so many continue to write and broadcast that this club is a New Club, when it is the owners who are new. Is it a lack of basic intellegence or is it something more sinister"

Both quotes from JAMES "JABBA" TRAYNOR. Press Officer Extraordinaire

One day maybe, just maybe, we will talk of playing football.

Shuggy

15 Apr 2013 18:31:49
Listened to Doncaster, and not ruling out SPL 2. Will St. Mirren and Ross County be included in that plan?

When will the Chairmen of clubs do as they did last summer and listen to their supporters?

They won't because it does not suit them to listen.

I can only say well done to St. Mirren and Ross County for refusing to buckle under pressure.

Let's see if the "only offer on the table" continues, as if so then the whole thing is dead, and so it should be.

It is a half assed plan that has failed miserably in the two countries that have tried it, it is a plan that is being forced through at a ridiculous point in the season.

Now the SPL have no sponsors, the finances, bad enough at the moment, will be even worse. That's why this is being rushed through, no other reason.

The saying "made your own bed, now lie in it" springs to mind.

Just for the record I think the reconstruction idea was deeply flawed. However how will Ross County and St Mirren cope when they don't have any Celtic fans at their home games. They already lost Rangers this season and its a cert a great many Celtic fans will not show.

GOTCHA! They listened to the fans when trying to put Gers into the First Division. They didn't listen to the fans when trying to force through 12-12-18. Gers, 55 and still alive.

@2 Glad you got something to cheer you up these days.

@ 1) Gers could play both clubs in pre-season friendlies? 56 is coming next.

Aaaaargh! OP & 2, nothing can be forced through. Issues are voted on. The vote failed and that is the end of the story for the moment.
Al

So things will remain the same then, does that mean celtic will win another tainted title next year? doug t. s. o

Yous will win 4 trophies that Celtic will never ever win, Div 3, Div 2, Div 1 and probably the Ramsden's Cup, just remember while you're doing that Celtic will be winning the REAL trophies, the SPL titles, Scottish Cup, League Cup and playing in Europe every year, Ewe's (and I do mean sheep) are easily pleased and considering you caused most of the carnage have nothing to gloat about!

At 6 how is it tainted

@1 Ross County were in the First Division and didn't need Rangers or Celtic, still got promoted. By your logic they should have been liquidated a long time ago.

15 Apr 2013 17:08:49
look at just how long it has taken the SPL SFL SFA to get NO-WHERE!

And we STILL wonder why we have dropped to 77th on FIFA list.

Our game is no better than English Conference football and will NEVER recover at this rate.

The problem is regan doncaster and his cronies they are a pathetic mob that couldn't organise a childs party

Doncaster is only an employee for the spl clubs. So he can't be blamed for state of scottish football.

Longmuir is more of a clown.

@ 2) Doncaster is Peter Lawwell's puppet. you mean? 55 and counting.

@4 Its a pity that Scottish Footballing Authorities do not have a person of Mr Lawwells intelligence and standing. He has worked wonders at Celtic and long may he reign. The man has a first rate business brain and stands up for his club. JK

@5 don't waste your breathe on a counter mate! Only thing he is counting is the amount of brain cells he has!
Lawell has done well at celtic!
I am sure our little counter poster loves having CG at his new club, probably the exact person he directs his knuckle dragging speeches were aimed at!

15 Apr 2013 15:42:08
The comments by the Hearts chief executive today following the rejection of league reconstruction made me laugh: 'it's like we're all in a burning building, but there's certain people who don't want to step outside the burning building because it's raining outside That's probably the best way I can describe it'
And yet all of these clubs were unanimous about rejecting Rangers from the top flight even though it was against their self-interests, and for some their survival.
To use the same analogy the SPL clubs would rather the building continues to burn than keep the firemen in the building who are awaiting trial for a crime, they may or may not have committed.
Had Rangers still been in the top division, today's vote would not have been so critical.
The proof that Hatred carries more strength than Self-Interest.

Now let's watch the spl clubs one by one going down the tubes

When are we going to get over all this hatred talk, we are in the bottom tier due to the mis management of our club the blame stops there,

@1: that's what was said last summer and we're still waiting.

@1, you said 3 or 4 would be down the tubes by xmas last year. you are just as likely to go 'down the tubes ' as any of them. shammy

@1. so when you get back to SPL teams will be stirling albion, peterhead and the like.

doh! epic fail.

3) tell that to Dunfermline and Hearts fans. There will be at least two SPL teams who will not make it through the summer.

No Rangers, no sponsorship, tv deals to discuss.

@6: but you were all saying that they'd be gone by now. Hearts have had this coming for years - it's not because Rangers aren't there. And how have Dunfermline been affected by having no Rangers as they aren't in the SPL and wouldn't have been in Rangers had been there this season. Time to give that head a shake.

@2 Iam in agreement thier sir. Its is now at the stage that at wirk if any bidy talks about it they are shot down in flames. Football is a major part of my life. Hatred and sectairainism is not.

@5 But Celtic will still be there, convenient or suspicious? (joke) CheltBlue

They where told if youse put rangers in league 3 youse will suffer no we won't no we won't the spl is boomin boomin now THEY say we are all doomed reap what you sew I will really enjoy our climb up the leagues more so now than ever

7) so you are saying that Rangers absence is not a factor in the finances. You should get a job at SFA, they too are bonkers. The reason that there is no sponsorship is because Rangers are not there. A c ompetition with no competition is nothing.

Hearts will off load another batch of high earners in the summer and as a result will be self financing from that point onwards. Their problems arise from Romanov running out of money rather than your team playing in the 3rd Division.

@11: Rangers aren't a factor in Dunfermline's finances this year and Hearts problems are well-documented over a number of years. therefore, to blame the absence of Rangers from the SPL for these two clubs' issues, is nonsense.

15 Apr 2013 15:55:26
Ally has cost the club miilions to date 7m 3rd division 1.5m in loss of earning with lge /Scottish/ramsden cup 20m Europe last year best part plus anothe £1m in domestic losses last year 40m out he door in 2 years but to be fare he did a good gangham style dance last week against Linfield

Ally has cost them, really?

What a pathetic post op. He wasn t backed in the first place, CW duped everyone, how much did he shell out.

@op. So was it all down to ally the euro exits? Not the 14 players who participated each of them games? Not Whittaker for horrendous red card? Or shoddy defending by experienced pros? Course not. Get real. The manager can take a share of the blame as can the rest. Hence the word team. Judging a manager by the potential cash the club could have earned? Really

Was it not ally that offered Whittker a 20k a week contract over 5 years? Was it not ally that selected the 14 pros to play? Was it not ally that had double the value of team than malmo?

4) yes it was Ally that had to have Boca driven across Europe in the middle of the night to make up the numbers.
Ally is no Fergie but let's make up falsehoods to suit your point.

15 Apr 2013 14:40:39
reconstruction has fell through, st mirren and ross county vote against it!

Cant work out why they have done that to be honest- they're not exactly established spl teams, not inconceivable they could each be relegated in next few years. Quite ballsy to vote against a plan that would have eased any financial worries over relegation.

Makes no difference to us in any case, we're still 2 promotions away from top flight, just means won't be as much money for us in 2014-15 when we are in div 1 as there might have been.

Far more concerned about the rumours of AIM discrediting and delisting the shares and administration being announced on wednesday.

Stewart Milne nearly in tears. Bless.
Blueice

So the brave new world of Scottish football has fallen at the first hurdle. Hardly any surprise. Would be interested to know if it was set up to fail though- ala the euro. Time, as always, will tell.

@1. makes absolutely no difference to us either. in fact celtic were the only team guaranteed to finish in the top 6/8 whatever. by that I mean you would expect hearts and hibs to finish in top group, neither would have this season and aberdeen finished in bottom half as well.
celtic were giving money to sfl. so st mirren and ross county might find themselves very unpopular. shammy

@1

Dont be too arrogant, we might not gain promotion next season. We might yet be expelled from Scottish football because of some charlatans around our club. Wait and see.

@1 doesn't matter if there members of SPL 1 year or 15 years, they are allowed to vote, its good to see 2 chairman thinking of what there fans want and not what's good for themselves, well done to st mirren and Ross county chairman for doing this, the structure of 12-12-18 was a joke.

What a wee shame for them. trying to rush through change to save their own necks after their kneejerk reaction last year. There should now be a vote of no confidence in Doncaster and Regan. They have achieved nothing to the betterment of Scottish football in their tenure. They will leave it in a far worse state than their arrival. Suppose that's what happens when you try to establish one club as the great dictatorship over the rest.

As a Celtic fan I say thank f*ck my 5 year old could think up a better solution, Scottish football need to go back to basics and have a simple league structure how hard is that.

If the 12-12-18 has failed, what about adopting the new Polish reconstructed league system next season, a 16 team top division to attract more fans & bring in more sponsors & TV money. Each team will play each other twice, 30 games, then there'll be a top 8 and bottom 8 split, with a further 7 games. The top 4 teams in each of the splits will have won the right to 4 home games, with the bottom 4 having 3. 37 games in total. I think it would work well in Scotland, far better than any other proposal I've seen being recommended.

N9 there will be no sponcer nor tv deal until rangers are back in top league doncaster has left scotish football in a mess time to relive him of his duty me thinks

15 Apr 2013 12:13:05
RiFC share price tanking on LSE.

4 block sales of 5000, each for lesser amount, drop 6% alone,

suspension could follow soon

zed

Don't know who disagreed (as usual) but here is a quote from a trader

"The inevitability of this is something I flagged up weeks ago. CG reigned over a similar collapse in Dubai with many shareholders losing out. Yet again his past is determining the present and future. A once great club has been destroyed by Murray, duped by Whyte and now seems destined to be broken up by Green. CG is strictly Third division, maverick, wide, make a fast buck. and now RIFC are about to find out what happens when a premature and ill conceived aim flotation is done by people without the necessary credibility or sqeaky clean track record. Sell if you can!"

Not exactly oozing confidence.

Shuggy

The ibrox house of cards is going too come crashing down. If last year was torture for the fans, it's looking like deja vu. BDO, HMRC, FRAUD SQUAD, INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS ETC

Shuggy,

Who is this illustrious trader who has enlightened us? Anyone can see the price is dropping, uncertainty causes this. The board have an opportunity to release a statement, their silence so far is not very positive.

Wee tip for you though, people 'ramp' and 'deramp' shares for their own benefit. There have been a lot of 'amateur' financial analysts providing their opinions over last couple of years too, unfortunately for them, they tended to get everything wrong though.

Everyone will believe what they want to believe at the end of the day. let's see what transpires over coming period.

15 Apr 2013 10:22:27
Don't really get how the posts by Celtic fans get all the agrees, it's a Rangers website. Is there a bunch of them or are we just agreeing with all their bad-mouthing of the club?

Just because its Celtic fans who have posted doesn't mean its wrong, if we would've listened to them about whyte and green we wouldn't be in this situation, they also warned us about David Murray but we didn't listen, maybe its time to start listening.

Maybe what they say is right? Do you think all is well at Ibrox?

@1 The Celtic fans did not warn about anything, they hoped that everything would go tits up, that is all. They warned about certain tax matters too, they were proved wrong there too.

There are a lot of decent Celtic fans around, however they tend not to post on other clubs' sites- or certainly less so. This situation is simply not black and white, there are a lot of underlying circumstances which dictate this.
Unfortunately, the situation the club was placed in after Whyte debacle, meant that something had to be done quickly, we were not afforded time.

Truth is no- one knows what really transpired in those meetings except for those present. I have always said' wait and see'. It is a mess at the moment and could go either way. At the end of the day though it is not life or death. Life will go on.

@2 Obviously not, but there is a difference between Celtic fans getting agrees for valid posts, stating good points, and Celtic fans coming on and saying 'Only 1 title won! Not even a good one!' or stuff like that.

15 Apr 2013 02:43:55
green didn't save rangers. the lowest bid did along with whytes interaction. deecee

Shares in free fall now, another 4% lost this morning. Can't blame people for selling while they can still get some of their money back