Rangers Banter Archive June 14 2012

14 Jun 2012 22:59:39
So we let some guy come in, and pull the trigger to put old rangers out of its misery. Then when the deed is done, Walter Smith comes in like a white knight and takes over. This is cowardice. He and his chums did not have the never to fight for the team till the dirty deed needed done. Not to mention the fact that he was a s**t manager in England and from what we are seeing in the press relied on a team that had been gotten by cheating the tax man. Old rangers have been killed by crooks, Should new rangers be set up by cowards? I think not. I do not like the way that things are drifting in the Rangers camp these days. At one point I thought we were all going as paranoid as Celtic. Now I think we are about to go lower than that and betray the man that did what needed done. How can we let a ranger's man of the ranger's family take control when we know that the last thing rangers need now is the old guard? This is the man that just a few months ago sitting beside Sandy Jardine when he has declaring vengeances on the rest of the league. Loyalty means not biting the hand that feeds you; it means giving the guy with the balls a chance and not joining some dirty little pack of cowards. Cowards that are waving the rangers flag vigorously to hide the fact that they have been so inadequate. Celtic are paranoid, but are we going to be worse and treacherous?

A clean sweep is whats required
if ally needed money would wattie refuse i think not .they have all behaved like kids in a sweet shop
and there has to be someone there to say no more
time for the gastric band i,m afraid.....les

Celtic are paranoid? we were telling you this years ago so i would think that you should stop calling it paranoid when it turned out to be true. but a clean sweep of all is need because WS AM and your legends knew what was going on and are now trying to score points with you fans and you are falling for it. start with new ppl and the tainted shine of your club would not be so bright.

14 Jun 2012 22:24:16
All this talk about new company this new company that let me tell all you beras something
we're still the rangers. once the rangers, still the rangers, always the rangers. ive never looked upon the rangers as a "company", looked on them as a team, my team, my familys team, our team and a team that was a part of our culture

anyone agree?

JG

I think everyone will agree your a nut case.The rangers you have followed for years is no more,it has been liquidated.That club joins Third Lanark in the mists of history now.Move on,throw away the sectarian nonsense and you all could be part of something quite unique.A vibrant club raising it's own youngsters and rising through the divisions with a huge fan ownership scheme.

Well said o/p always be Rangers.
At1.) take its getting to you.

@1 what part of my post does your twisted bitter mind find to be sectarian?

JG

3# None of your post is sectarian.I was referring to the on going billy boy morons in your support

14 Jun 2012 22:18:26
What the hell is WS up to ? Why did he and his rich pals not bid sooner and save the clubs history ? I1ll tell you why - he is no better that the other sharks in the water. He waited till the club died then started to wave the blue standard and stir all the natives up into a frenzy which will not matter a hoot as the great whyte shark ie Green is still very much in charge. WS is a fraud because he let rangers die before coming out with all this guff. The new company is not 24 hours old and there is a bun fight ! I can see the newco in administration by xmas

When a country gets independence it usually ends up in civil war with several groups fighting for control . What's happened with our club is beyond our control ie the true owners the fans lets accept what's happened and accept what punishment that comes our way and let's build our way up to the respect that we had in the football world and never mind what the supporters of certain clubs say let us stay together and stand together and let them know who we are in good times and bad times and let them know who we are one name and only one name GLASGOW RANGERS follow follow.

Walter Smith may have been on an EBT. There's people holding back the info. What we do know is that he managed his budget and he knew his players were on EBTs. He recruited them on them.
SDM raised Walter Smith to the board after nine in a row. That's makes Walter not fit and proper to hold an office in TRFC or any other club. Directors of clubs going into admin or liquidation are out the game for 5 years.

1#Give it up mate,you are the rangers football club.Accept it and move on.

14 Jun 2012 21:58:19
Why is no one asking Walter and co 'why now' where were you hiding when rangers really needed you weeks ago?

Not saying Walter and co isnt a better solution but come on if he and his band of money men were serious they would have stood up weeks ago when there was still a chance we could have avoided the sorry scenes of today!!

Same as everyone else mate. They were waiting to see how things were going to pan out.
The worrying thing now is that everyone seems to be against the only man who is still there. C.G.
RST and others urging fans not to support C.G. and refrain from buying season tickets. If this happens club may dissapear altogether. Okay it maybe a test to see if CG has significant funds,guess we'll find out shortly.
P.O,B,

14 Jun 2012 21:45:53
WATCH THIS SPACE....ally will quit tomorrow.....greens a con man who duff,phelps and whyte are all in this.......no other bidders stould a chance....deecee

I'll be watching.

Briggs

14 Jun 2012 21:39:18
Take a look at rangers tv, interviews with green and Murray,very good to,before everyone jumps on the Walter bandwagon have a look here guys. Have you seen it ed,if so what do you think. {Ed039's Note - Only heard green on radio and to be fair he talks a good game)

Hi ed poster here,if Walter really wants to help why don't they invest in with green surely more investors more money,season tickets more money,share issue more money lets stick together and stop trying to pick over the bones. Let's move on and be together as one. This Walter consortium is only going to divide the fans,something we don't need now or ever for that matter.

14 Jun 2012 21:30:27
Celtic fan, really sad day for rangers fans with club ceasing to exist but already the fans are infighting and talking about boycotts etc.
Surely if the fans form a supporters trust and form their own newco.....called maybe the rangers sporting club, appoint Walter as the chairman, ally as manager apply to join the sfa and spl they are in exactly the same position as mr greens newco. It would have to receive exactly the same consideration as any other team wishing to join. The supporters team could apply to play home games at the national stadium leaving green with an empty ibrox that after a short time he would happily sell to anyone. The fans need to be in control to stop a repeat of what has happened to the old rangers

Jd

Point is who wants to play games at hampden .you lot should know you played there for a year

Club exists
company _ new
2 diffrent things

No bad sentiments JD and decent post from the other side but totally impractical and impossible unfortunately

JG

14 Jun 2012 21:21:28
Am i right in thinking BDO have the power to reverse the Green purchase if it's in the best interests of the creditors?
ie Walter's bid being higher?

I am not sure on that mate but they have interest in the green deal. Based on what they are saying they just want to pursue/prosecute murray and whyte.

Green owns the club now, any1 who wants him and the new club to be successful need to get behind him once some vital info is available(i.e what league the club will be in).

Maybe what rangers needs is people who aren't rangers men who will spend money that isnt available to get immediate success.

14 Jun 2012 21:35:25
If the nightmare scenario comes true and we do not get back in to the SPL as a Newco, particularly as the other clubs would have voted against it, i wonder what would happen if the fellow supporters of our club would cancel their sky sports subscriptions and espn subscriptions particularly as we would have no need for it anyway. That for one would surely affect the tv package for the spl as i am sure thats alot of money sky would lose out on which would inturn reduce/remove money given to spl tv deal broadcasting rights? Thoughts? it maybe clutching at straws but without the revenue that RFC brings to the scottish game, it would be a harsh lesson for the rest of the SPL

If sky pull the plug I will cancel my package as I only have it for the Celtic away games! happy timmy.. works both ways bye bye rangers

14 Jun 2012 21:11:04
Lets talk some sense people ok !!

Green was bound legally to purchase "The Rangers" ok !!

Do u think for 1 minute that all of a sudden Sir Walter and his Knights Templar decided to throw there bunnet into the ring ?

If u do you are of smeltick thinking!

This is a big game that only Walter and the Templars can win.

THINK ABOUT IT. WATP RTID.

14 Jun 2012 20:51:18
Silva's silver feet magic pure magic

14 Jun 2012 20:41:48
Lets just get behind Green.. If he sells to Walter i guess that would be good but remember he's the only one who put his money where his mouth is at the time and for that deserves our support

14 Jun 2012 20:23:10
If it is true that Green has now just purchased Ibrox, the training ground and the car park for his £5.5m, I don't see him giving it up to Uncle Walter for nothing.

He will lease it back to Walter's new co at, say, £2m a year and make £4m clear profit in 5 years then sell (to somebody) and walk away.

Good Luck, Good Bears

Gerry

Or if he gets fed up with the fans booing him, not buying season tickets, chanting walters name,,,he may just sell training ground and car park make a profit and close down Ibrox and scrap it just for the hell of it ,,,,

14 Jun 2012 20:19:25
Can Green now immediately name his consortium, how much each put in and where did the money come from? Is it clean? Or does it not pass money laundering regulations?

Or was naming the consortium another lie? {Ed039's Note - He needs to name them to the SFA)

14 Jun 2012 20:10:51
im a rangers man through and through and i want whats best for our club ,whos to say green is not the best for us just because he is not a rangers man ,hes not wanted ,now step in sir walter and co to save us ,here is an idea take up greens offer walter jim and douglas put up the money and join the board with them and lets get the club on an even keel and back where we belong at the top

14 Jun 2012 20:02:00
just what is needed - Green's Rangers andd Walter's Rangers - two different clubs starting in lower leagues and the fans have to decide what Rangers they want {Ed039's Note - There will only be one new Rangers as there is only one place in the league up for grabs)

Put Green & Walter in a Ring strip to the waist and fight for the Club! Stream it televise it sell the T Shirts £50 a ticket all all money raised goes to small Creditors?

Larky Bear {Ed039's Note - Please dont make Green and Walter strip to the waist)

Ed the place in the league isn't 'up for grabs'
There is one place available in the SPL which will be awarded to the most deserving football team. {Ed039's Note - If something is available is it not usually up for grabs? Its a phrase)

@1. moob fest lol. CheltBlue

I assumed being stripped to them these days was pants & vest ed!

Larky Bear

14 Jun 2012 19:56:41
26 year season ticket cancelled, will only return when Green and his Greed are gone and Rangers Minded men are at the helm again.
Amazing how quick D&P can turn things around when it is in their interest, I just wonder how much more they are making on this deal than the £5.5m skimmed off of creditors. To think they could have sold a few more key players in February with UEFA approval like Portsmouth, saved £5m on D&P fees, and got more for the creditors.
However, I do not think that was ever the plan from Whyte, D&P, HMRC, or Green. The plan has always been to put Rangers in a damaged irrecoverable position and if some people make some money on it along the way then even better. With Green at the helm Rangers are now well and truely disabled, £5.5m well spent for whoever is behind all this!

The plan was always to keep the team intact for Newco. But the law allows them all to walk right now so that didn't work.

It was Rangers Minded men that got us into this state.Give this guy a chance--just because he doesn't come from Govan!

14 Jun 2012 19:45:57
On a slightly comical way....green and whyte have killed rangers.....

Or was that the intention all along!

14 Jun 2012 19:06:23
the original price was 8.5 mill......green picks it up for 5.5 mill......ok watty give him the 3 mill. difference and 500k for being a good wee sasenach and heading home.....deecee

Being English should not be bought into this, seriously. Scottish owners have destroyed our club deecee, or is that ok? Watever Green is up to cant be any worse than we've already endured... Hes a businessman which has been lacking from our club for years. CheltBlue {Ed039's Note - I dont care a dot that he is English CB, but being a Rangers man with no agenda is more important to me personally)

I agree edd that we need Rangers men near the top but overall we have to be run correctly. I hope Walter takes Greens offer up and immediately insists on transparency for the fans sake. CheltBlue

He'll need far more than half a million(peanuts)if he's going to sell.He is after all a businessman or else, was it all a plan?

14 Jun 2012 19:01:03
something smells here....thats the quickest dand p have moved in 4 months getting greens signature.......something tells me theres more to come here.......come on watty...show the english the road home....deecee

It's because it was D&Ps payday, the £5.5m goes into their bank account, doesn't even touch Rangers.
Creditors stiffed for £112m of assets and £140m debt diss appears.

It was all arranged weeks ago. Everybody knew that if the CVA failed Green was to purchase the club for £5.5m. So they have had all that time to get it organised. All that would have been required today would be signing the documents I would imagine.
I am still sceptical about Green's motives given some of his comments and inconsistancies, but I don't think there is a conspiracy theory about the sale going through today.
Al

14 Jun 2012 18:53:39
charlie green was the only 1 who tried to save our history and preserve the name,now coz more money grabbers get walter onside we all turn on green shockin absolutely shockin

Excuse me which lie do you want to start with mate - the 20 investors crap or the deal with HMRC for CVA? Thats just for starters he is a conman same as Whyte.... im not over moon they waited till now but realistically it was the only way to buy trfc with no chance that wee parasite CW lurking in background. The George

14 Jun 2012 18:51:46
No one can take your history away from you but you now cant add to it the first trophy the newco wins will trophy number one. Tulip

Ye and thay will b meny watp

That seems to be the common perception.
So what, when we are back in the SPL (at some point) and we win it, it may be trophy number one, but that will make your teen number two again.
The new trophy count will be great to see as it rises steadly upwards and everyone will be celebrated just like the first,

Lets wait and see on that one.

I see the despised watp addage is surfacing again. Very reprehensible.
No lessons learned at all.
Stay away from the SPL we don't want to catch distemper.

So history is 54 league titles + 1 league title will = 55 league titles.

JG

14 Jun 2012 18:34:38
Walter was part of the old regime although the ebts didnt start till he left the dual contracts were there when he was boss he needs to take some of the blame as well . Tulip {Ed039's Note - He didnt negotiate the contracts and their set-up)

Ed dont act dumb my 8 year old could tell smith was up to his eye balls in it ,as soon as he seen trouble he was gone,i person g around with a few lads like that when i was young when having trouble with the neibouring estates was no were to be seen but after was talking as if he was first in ther ,no diffrence hes out for him self

ED 039 breaking news on some cfc websites. I would think it will come out that Walter was on the same type of EBT as Souness i.e still being payed long after he left club.

14 Jun 2012 18:29:56
What a fantastic piece of business from green. Buy a company then sell almost immediately for a tidy million profit.

The chance was there for all to take, he took it others never

JG

14 Jun 2012 18:21:42
Now that D&P are out the way, some one should investigate them! the guys are nothing but robbers!
What is it with our club?
Every buyer we have wanted, they (whoever in charge, D&P or Liquidators) have chosen the other route!
With a consortium of douglas park, walter smith and "Jim McColl", them ANYDAY! McColl would of seen us safe financially over this tough period!

McColl would not have touched you with a barge pole during the upheaval.

14 Jun 2012 18:17:00
Every other Saturday, 40,000 plus of us turn up faithfully at Ibrox. Well, let's pretend this Saturday is just like any other Saturday. Let's surround Ibrox and PEACEFULLY demonstrate against Charlie Green.

It needs to be coordinate with Strathclyde Police.

We need a spokesperson...our very own Dempsey as Celtic had.

How do we make this happen?

How can we communicate to all season ticket holders? Do we set our differences aside and for this purpose alone, team up with Dingwall and use him and his followers?

Someone needs to pull all supporters together.

If we remain quiet and prefer to bitch and moan and only say our fighting talk on forums like this, NOTHING will happen....we need to realise if we stand back and do nothing....again....Green WILL win....no question.

Our window of opportunity is small.....

We CAN make a difference.

I am not claiming to be in Brian Dempsey's league, but I will gady volunteer to try and bring all supporters and parties together. I will give the Editor of this forum my full name, contact details and any background info to prove I am legitimate if they an assist me in pulling this together.

If its not me...it needs to be someone!

SPM {Ed039's Note - See this statement from RST:


"Rangers Supporters Trust ask fans to delay renewing season tickets, backing the Walter & Co bid, putting pressure on Charles Green to sell"

I was wondering when they would say something

Great idea yet another march. Aternatively we could have a p... up in a brewery, if we could organise one.

Should have been doing this as soon as the whyte saga unfolded for all too see!great idea but as said about 6month to late

Cheers Ed.

SPM

And who's going to pay the police this time?They are one of the creditors from the last fiasco.Money up front next time.

14 Jun 2012 17:52:44
yes ive done a turnaround....who wouldnt wi walter leading us back ......check all the posts everywhere ....green must go...come home walter...this will the closest to the real gers as it gets....sorry to dissapoint the anon. poster wi ma change of mind......deecee

Welcome bk watp

Good lord,the no to newco mans back! Have a look at yourself decay,your just making a fool of yourself now.

14 Jun 2012 17:44:21
Chelsea fan here, I have no idea what the problem is with Green but I hope for the fans sake he solves your problems. Would be awful to see your great club to slowly fade away into mediocrity. Blues stick together!
Scotty.

Cheers bud

Problem with Green is he's another chancing b*****d. Not welcome at Ibrox, he better sell out to Smith, Park and McColl or he'll have a lot of angry bears after him. Cheers for the kind word though Scotty.

Green will annonce his other partner soon mr john gold

Blues stick together but as always green is in charge lol

14 Jun 2012 17:35:46
Dear Fellow Bears and in particular those fools who love to seal on our so behalf at the RSA and RST (but do NOT speak for me or most loyal supporters I know)....

Walter and his late bid has thrown us a lifeline....it's "short" but it may just save us....

Throughout this whole sorry saga I have been dismayed at the lack of fight shown by all supporters. We all (arrogantly) stood back thinking the doomsday scenario would never happen. There have been stupid marches to Hampden and calls for boycotting this that and the next party who had NOTHING to do with our demise....

Let's make amends and take to the streets outside Ibrox and in no uncertain terms let Charlie Green and hs mates from Zeus know he does NOT have our support. No season ticket renewals means no cash flow.

Green s an arrogant man who has rode rough shot over everyone...regulators, HMRC, creditors and assumes through snide bullying statements that whether we are supporters, players or member SPL clubs we have to accept hs decisions or we are all the baddies. He's a loud mouth, big headed Yorkshireman who has been knowingly patronising and misleading to supporters and others.

The ONLY thing that motivates guys like Green is money!

Unless he sees first hand the apathy from supporters to buy from HIM....that will force a major rethink.

Understandably we've all been reluctant to express our concerns over Green too publicly as until 2 hours ago, he appeared to be the only show in town. Now we have an alternative and a hell of a great one. Walter...McColl...Park....it could not be any better.

So Bears NOW is the time to show...to prove...we actually care. This time we can effect change.

And our so called friends at the RST and RSA, if you managed to arch 8,000 to Hampden for an absolutely pointless demonstration, for once in your embarrassing existence do something which may actually MAKE A POSITIVE DIFFERENCE

....but we must act NOW!

SPM

Well seid m8

Well seid m8

Do you really believe Smith??????? cOS i DONT. KM

Re 3. I do believe Smith...and I beleive in Smith!

If we look at the facts of our demise and in particular HMRC's press release on Tuesday, a CVE exit was ever going to succeed. Perhaps short term but never long term.

Jim McColl is not a fool. I don't think fora second he will be too bothered about profiting from any money he invests as a backer in Walters group however he was never going to back a CVA plan as frankly that would only have seen him need to underwrite more and more cash to keep things going.

Look at other clubs who ave been placed in administration. Such as Dundee and Portsmouth. They quickly reentered admin despite previous successful CVA exits. A CVA papers over the cracks and Rangers troubles were just too severe.

McColl I believe, will think he can do more good for the future of the club this way. And more interestingly, is probably doing so because he is happier with the members of this consortium whereas he was never attracted by the Blue Knights team (DP aside)

Ultimately, our future comes down to Fan Power!

SPM

14 Jun 2012 17:27:07
Will it now be "Green ,Whyte and Old " ? -nearly perfect lol

14 Jun 2012 17:25:54
We as fans have been useless through this whole sordid fiasco, led by RST and RSA. Well as you two seem to have some sway with Green now is the time to prove your worth.

You must explain to Green that he has must sell to Walter, we MUST have a Rangers man leading us, and the fans want Walter.

I will not be renewing my season tickets, and nobody else should either until we get what we want and need. It is clear from the timing that Walter has bad feelings about Green.
You , Green stated that you won't be here long, well tomorrow would be good. You and your likes do not understand what this club is all about. I suggest that RFFF start to raise £1m, and get rid of him pronto.

Let's see now what the so called fans representatives, RST and RSA are made of. Now is the time to stand up and demand the sale to Walter, the fans must make him aware that we will not pay him, we want Walter back.

Super Ally you should also pile on the pressure, resign and the fans will back true Rangers legends!

Excellent post. I am saying the same thing on my own posts here.

We need a Brian Dempsey....an articulate, passionate and knowledgable leader of the masses....NOT someone like Mark Dingwall to speak on our behalf.

Perhaps it's time for John Greig to show his face again and let's us all stand behind him to force Green to stand aside.

SPM {Ed039's Note - I would be quite happy for Mr Greig to be a fans spokesman but I feel his EBT payments may mean he will be quiet for quite a while)

14 Jun 2012 17:23:40
Rangers fans must oust green out and back Walter I for one will not be buying my season ticket while Charlie green is in charge get rangers men in

GET A GRIP MAN SLEEKIT WALTER IS SPINNING A YARN....

14 Jun 2012 17:19:45
can someone please tell me why rangers assets were not sold to the highest bidder in the intrest of the people that are out of pocket

also green knew all along he would have got rangers cheaper with a newco and not a cva.so he buys our assets for 5.5 and profits from the sale to walter when the time comes and it will come everyone i know and me included will not be renewing season tickets.

14 Jun 2012 17:10:56
walter says rangers need to be in the hands of " rangers men". Rangers mens destroyed our club. how convieniant that jim mccoll wants debt free profitable rangers now eh? lets someone new take us forward now. we need to steer away from the thought that we need rangers men because its ridaculous and better fool u walter smith.

14 Jun 2012 16:54:35
could it be that a new stadium is on the cards to go with the new name ibrox is prime housing ground andlook wats happened to the surrounding flats

Prime housing land, this is Govan we are talking about, not Knightsbridge!

Hardly a queue to build on the ground where the flats were is there?

Dear god,ibrox prime housing ground? would you like to stay there? its a dump.

@1 It is of 'historical' interest now and increases it's value!Still think Tesco best chance

14 Jun 2012 16:39:21
Would just like to say a big well done to Sly McCoist... Turning the heads of all true Rangers fans by tarnishing Greens bid.

Green was never getting rid of McCoist!

If Watty takes over then does McCoish become number 2 again?

14 Jun 2012 16:18:39
Walter Smith's blue & white army!

14 Jun 2012 16:34:37
Green will be and is the right custodian for THE RANGERS.
Walter was grandstanding looking to boost his ego with an 11th hour offer of bombast.

Green is an astute businessman with very wealthy backers.
The future is bright with Green at the helm.

GO ON THE RANGERS

14 Jun 2012 15:43:05
WALTER SMITH STATEMENT IN FULL
"I can today confirm that following talks over the last few weeks I am leading a new bid for Rangers Football Club.

"I have been assisted by Jim McColl, Douglas Park and other prominent Scottish businessmen with a shared objective - that Rangers Football Club should be in the hands of Rangers people who will stabilise the club and protect it from future situations like we find ourselves in today.

"With this in mind, representatives have, on behalf of my group, made representations to BDO, Duff and Phelps and indeed Charles Green, notifying them of our willingness to offer on the "Newco" basis on which Mr Green is proceeding.

"We would call on Mr Green to step aside and allow us to proceed with our deal which is in the best interests of the creditors, the employees, the fans and the various other stakeholders of Rangers Football Club.

"None of our group has any desire to own Rangers Football Club but we have put this deal in place to save the club.

"However, our overriding objective is to ensure that the stadium, the history and everything else magical about Rangers Football Club is protected and nurtured back to good health and provide a platform for Rangers for generations to come.

"Let's be clear, this is an acquisition designed to stabilise the club and ensure history does not repeat itself.

"We are not in this to take money out of the club but more so to do whatever it takes in a turnaround plan to ensure within a few years the Club can be passed on intact and to the right people.

"The supporters should be under no illusion that it will be extremely hard but with their support we can overcome financial hardship that lies ahead by lending their support to what we feel is the correct way forward - for Rangers people who know the club inside and out to control its destiny.

"The prominent Scottish businessmen involved have agreed to provide acquisition funding to allow myself and a management team to take on Rangers Football Club and make the business self-sufficient with long term sustainability being essential.

"I would hope that this offer is fully supported by everyone in the Rangers Family as without them the club cannot and will not survive.

"We therefore want to ensure honesty and transparency in everything we do. We want to rebuild Rangers Football Club and in doing so return the institution to the standards it is known for."...jsm

Its funny how the final nails 2 be put in the coffin were from 2 guys called green and white u could not make it up lol

Walter Smith should have 100% support as he gives us belief in the phrase ' I'm Rangers till I die. '

14 Jun 2012 15:38:51
Ed you heard anything on Walter leading a consortium backed by Jim Mccoll to take over Gers?. {Ed039's Note - Just what's on msinstream media, I suspect this explains mccoists silence recently. He knew)

He knew alright
trueblue

14 Jun 2012 15:49:43
I am a manchester United fan, and I just wanted to say that you, the supporters of Rangers have done your club proud.
I'm not sure what the future holds for your team....but I wish you all the best.

However I fear that Green is just another Whyte. He is keeping to many things close to he's chest. I understand your wish to stay in the SPL, but if Rangers are to emerge from the chaos of the past months....why not start a new in the 3rd Division. You are banned from European football for 3 seasons anyway. I'm sure that the "new" Rangers would win all the required divisions in the 3 years. You would be back in the SPL on your own merit.
As it stands, the history of Glasgow Rangers will die with a newco being formed. Although this is just a business formality.....every title you won before will always remain in your thoughts and hearts. However by starting a new you will have won all of the required leagues and a new history will have started.

I fear that Green may walk away, if a start in the 3rd Division was in the cards. I as an outsider would have thought that "The Blue Knights" would have been better owners if a start in the 3rd Division happens. They are Rangers fans and although business men, their hearts lie with Rangers and it's fans.

I know your teams future now lies with the chairmen of the other SPL clubs, but has everyone forgotten that the SFA has still to come back with another suitable punishment, instead of the "transfer embargo". Do any of you think that they may take the option of Rangers staying in the SPL out of the other chairmens hands?

I know that many people think that without Rangers or Celtic, Scottish football will die. I don't believe that, it's not so long ago that both "old firm" teams were wanting to join a 'North Atlantic League' and in recent years they wanted to play in England. If either of those scenarios had happened Scottish Football would still be here.

Whatever the outcome, I hope that you and your club have many more years of success and Good Luck.

Cheers m8.BLUNTRU72 LLRFC

14 Jun 2012 15:39:25
Former Rangers manager Walter Smith leading a new bid to buy club.

Fully expect Brian Kennedy and co. to be in there too.

When is this saga going to end!!?

CC

14 Jun 2012 15:35:32
Walter Smith fronting bid to buy club financial backing coming from prominent Scottish businessmen including Jim McColl and Douglas park.source sky sports news.

14 Jun 2012 15:26:28
Walter Smith leading a new bid for the Gers backed by Jim McColl and Douglas Park as well as various other prominent buisness men. Get in there.Hope they are successful and mr green steps aside as a cant see a future for him now as surely Walter will have the fans backing. {Ed039's Note - He certainly will, but why so long?)

14 Jun 2012 15:21:08
Go on walter ...

14 Jun 2012 15:14:25
New bid apparently , McCollum , smith , and Douglas park.

Would that be Willie McCollum?

14 Jun 2012 15:12:00
Walter Smith leading new bid to buy club.source sky sports news.

14 Jun 2012 15:11:06
watty leading a new bid ,gonny be 3 newcos s newcos

14 Jun 2012 14:20:41
OK Everybody, I'm going to make a suggestion, so please take time to read it and THINK about it before shooting me down, its only a suggestion but I think the time might just be right, so here goes.

Rangers are liquidates and the history hasn't finished but is gone, Ally's Gone, Ibrox to be renamed, Rangers fans threatening to boycot any newco.

But the West of Scotland needs another team, Ex-Rangers fans wont be switching their loyalties to Celtic, and Partick Thistle are too weak, so we need another strong team in Gaslgow, Just like United and City or Liverpool and Everton!.
Now is n excellent tiem to start a new club it will still be based on Rangers Glorious History but it will cut links to a brand that has some lets say negative conotations. Let start a new club with a new name to conteract Celtic but pick up all ex-Rangers and NEutral fans that all of Scotland can get behind and build a brand everyone can support when in Europe.

I say Let call it Glasgoe City or Glasgow United, we ahve a stadium, we have a management team and we have owners with cash, let build on exisitng foundation a new team, new strip setup to begin anew and glorious hsitory. Lets leave out the Union Jack waving billy boys and have a club without louts.

What do you say, I for one would love to see it, its not the death of Rangers its a new beginning, a fantastic opportunity to avoid penalties and deductions etc, its based in Ibrox or (The Stadium of Glasgow) and now you have over 1 million potential supporters!

Let build a new team we can all get behind and enjoy the journey to the top again!

What do you think

14 Jun 2012 14:17:27
"The word Rangers should be banned for good"


Is this really how low some people want to go? Does that mean because of like-minded people to yourself, Queens Park and Berwick and Cove should all have their name changed because you associate it with the most successfull football team in the world?

Also, as much as i am weary of Mr Green and his elite team of investers, he is the only guy who has so far wanted to take on the problems that were left behind from the murray and whyte era.

We may have changed our name, but we will always be Rangers Football Club

14 Jun 2012 13:56:54
Can I ask this simple question?
How can all RFC fans be happy with
Newco taking away all your old debts,
yet at the same time you want newco
to keep your old history, as usual
double standards by all ibrox.. Timalloy {Ed039's Note - Come on, you cant blame the supporters, we need something to grasp at after everything we have been through the last year, I for one am not happy at the wronged creditors, but I and many other paid our ticket money, bought programmes, shirts etc, supporters deserve something to hold onto)

Who says were all happy with a Newco in the 1st place u just want to believe all things Rangers is the Devil!

Larky Bear

Again, well said Ed
BB

Thats business timalloy , the fans don't make the rules remember.. When did you become so righteous and full of morals ? ? give it a rest will you Mr Integrity.. {Ed039's Note - I like timalloy posts, but I can't understand the blame being put at the door of the fans, there is a minority that bring shame on not just the club but Scottish football, but for most part we have been remorseful for the club and outstanding in our time of need but folk aren't seeing that)

ED039 it is time for all the decent fans like you to have a say in the running of the club, for some reason your club has attracted all the wrong businessmen only after a quick buck who did not care about the fans. I hope your kind are in the majority, now is the time to prove it and take back your club.
Timalloy {Ed039's Note - Walter is on the case, but I fear it may be too little too late)

14 Jun 2012 13:38:14
The SPL club chairmen will want us in the SPL next season, I'm sure of it. They also want to punish us so that will mean point deductions and or no Scottish cup. In other words they our money but do not want the competition...
I for one agree our clubs owners have shamed the club and we need to be punished.

We should go into Div 3, build a team that consists of a core of senior pro's surrounded by young hungry talent. These players would take us back into the SPL and if we unearth a few gems we can keep OR sell them. I reckon this would suit everyone in the game, a few SPL teams would struggle without our cash input, but they can't have it both ways...
BB

14 Jun 2012 13:30:58
sources close to mcoist have said he is staying. on the radio about half hour ago

14 Jun 2012 13:13:35
what has fifa got to do with it. it is simple. governed under our law. rangers company who contracted these players has gone. so has the contract. these guys can leave or accept a new contract from the newco rangers company. all this mince about going to fifa for a decision is utter drivel. I am sure IF the players are offered the same terms under the newco, most (not all) will stay. 3 years out of europe I am sure will put quite a few off. and fair enough. in 3 years rangers will be back.... which is why division 3 is a good option. give something back to scottish footy.

It's an obvious answer. But they want to be able to blame FIFA for it. Players can walk.

FIFA reply will be players will abide by employment laws in their countries of employment. Meaning they can walk for free. At which point Green walks.

Do you really think the big earners will accept reduced contracts when they can walk for free,and pocket a nice signing on fee?

14 Jun 2012 12:56:25
two papers now reporting that SKY will rip up their agreement with SPL if Rangers are relegated to SFL3
that probably guarantees enough SPL votes to keep TRFC in the SPL next season.
I for one hope that's not the case. We should take our punishment that way, no one can throw any s**t at us for ever and a day that we got special treatment.
If the loss of SKY money means that other clubs then go bust, so be it.
The whole game needs to get back to reality.
I read one comment that all genuine scottish football fans should pack in their SKY subs and use the money to go and support their own local team instead of sitting on their couches watching the game on the telly.
Couldn't agree more. And if this meant the departure of those foregin players simply intent on building their pension, even better.
The Scottish game is in tatters [not just RFC]. let;s prove to the whole football world that we have the courage to address the root causes and come back stronger.

Stop listening to tabloid rubbish.There will be a sly deal,reduced no doubt,but a deal will be there

What is the other paper that says this.

@1 ( stop listening ) dont you mean stop reading tabloid rubbish and of course unless its bad news for rangers then its true! pathetic ...mark.

14 Jun 2012 12:54:00
Why is Charles Green's bid worth only £5.5m?

You might think Rangers' assets are worth more when they don't have the litigation hanging over the old company, so the liquidation price could be higher than the CVA. However, the lower price seems to reflect the reduced value of assets that are out of Europe for three seasons, with the risk of reduced income from TV rights while getting low gate receipts in the Third Division.

Charles Green offered a CVA worth about £8.5m

Creditors could challenge the legal deal between Charles Green and Duff and Phelps, and ask for the bidding for the liquidated assets to be opened up to others. Insolvency experts don't expect that to happen, not least because it risks Charles Green walking away, with even less money being made available.

The new owner will also require working capital to keep the club ticking over, and to invest and grow it. Charles Green hasn't detailed how much he's planning to make available, or where it's coming from. But I'm told the new management is already sounding out small-scale investors through Independent Financial Advisers in Glasgow.

from BBC

Insolvency experts don't expect that to happen

The same experts that expected a CVA to be accepted no doubt

No one knows whats happening next. But this IS possible and maybe even likely

There was a 10-day spell when he had at least £8m in pledged funding for his Sevco consortium, but one major investor walked away last weekend after doing due diligence on the books and his fellow investors. That took £4m out of Green's funding book. He has been trying to secure the last of the money to meet the purchase price, which is likely to be due to be paid immediately on completion of the deal, but the terms and conditions of his binding agreement with Duff & Phelps remain confidential.

Green has promised to reveal the names of his backers following the creditors' and shareholder meetings at Ibrox today. Herald Sport believes that Rafat Rizvi is one, having pledged to commit £2m to Sevco. Rizvi is a British citizen who was on Interpol's wanted list after being accused of stealing assets from Indonesia's Bank Century in 2010. At one stage, his personal wealth was estimated to be £385m, but his properties are only in the UK and Singapore because neither country has an extradition treaty with Indonesia. He was one of three shareholders accused of looting the bank, but claims his innocence.

Herald Sport also believes that Mike McDonald, the former Sheffield United chairman, has pledged £2m. Green's initial proof of funding was a letter from McDonald's bank about his liquidity, showing he had access to £20m, more than enough to fund Sevco's takeover. McDonald has wavered in his support throughout, but is believed to still be involved. He is also an associate of Paul Stretford, who was once banned from working as a football agent.

Ha ha. they've got the Provi trying to raise funds.......you can't make this up, more please

He can offer what he likes. Clearly he wanted the CVA. You might argue that the assets he's buying for £5.5m aren't the whole assets of the company so it has to be less than £8.5m. More hurdles as a newco too, like place in SPL and the legality of players' contracts.

14 Jun 2012 12:43:54
The way this is going it looks like we will never see rangers again. Why is 2 of the investors house builders and hotel developers

And when asked the question about not playing in the spl next season. He answers we might no even be playing in glasgow

14 Jun 2012 12:37:14
Timmy here. You need to get Green out now. I'm no mad fan of ally but he's rngers thru and thru- if he goes , the only one who has stood his ground and tried to be there for you the fans, who is left? Where's the common decency. Alright he's overpaid , maybe overrated and possibly an ideal cost cutting candidate but did he have to be pushed quite so crassly and now. Green doesn't give a jot about your opinions Bears. Beware

14 Jun 2012 12:07:27
I have been a rangers fan all my days, I love my club, and always will. But I have been thinking about what I would like to see happen next. So here goes.

New Co club stays in SPL.
Pros: Cons;
Club gets to keep a profile in the top division, Sense of in justice from other clubs and fans
SPL Product is enhanced possible handicap of point’s deduction
Spongers reduced deals
Better player’s higher wedge bill
New co to third division.
Pros Cons
Club can sell off high earners Nil
Club can bring through young stars Nil
Club could sell young stars for income Nil
Club can rebuild reputation Nil
More money and income to other teams Nil
The standards in lower divisions will raise Nil
When clubs wins promotion to top flight
TV deal would be re-negotiated for all SPL Nil
Other SPL clubs will have a shot at CL Nil

I like a lot of Rangers fans just want our club, we want it to be as it was for over 120yrs before all the bad deals and rubbish, we want it to be reborn with a reputation and vision that we can be proud of. And for this to happen the only way is to go right to the bottom and work our way up, if we stay in the SPl but with a points deduction then the integrity of that competition is damaged, It the third and only the third for me.

Wibblyblue

14 Jun 2012 11:45:08
In Rangers creditor meeting, Ticketus - which, like HMRC, had a blocking vote - backed the CVA. Now going after Craig Whyte for £27.5m. Meeting lasted 9 minutes!

14 Jun 2012 11:42:15
Do SKY offer a sports Package that excludes SPL ? and if they don't should we ask for one?
after all TV is about supply and demand and if there is enough demand then surely they would supply

any thoughts?

14 Jun 2012 11:35:21
Just a wee question for you bears.

When are you planning on boycotting the HMRC? There have been threats from ranger groups and fans to boycott almost everything under the sun during this process. Must say im surprised they have not been threatened yet.

Evinguu.

Just a wee answer for you timmy

I have been boycotting HMRC for over 8 years and very nice it is too

JG

Why? they are only doing their job and it would appear might be doing the newco a favour and taking the debt from the oldco onto at least two individuals.
Have we boycotted replying to your posts yet?

14 Jun 2012 10:59:44
More of a point of view than a rumour.

Prior to Craig Whyte Rangers always paid their debts and were reducing the money owed to the bank. Murray did the dirty on us by doing a deal with the bank to help his own company and allow Whyte in.
The BTC is still to be proven and there is every chance it will go Rangers way.
Had Craig Whyte not got his dirty thieving hands on Rangers I am convinced that we'd still be operating normally. I am disgusted that he was ever allowed the opportunity to own our club!

Discuss�

Just to clarify... You now dont have a club as of today your club no longer exists regardless of how you dress it up. {Ed039's Note - The OP has nothing to do with your point??)

14 Jun 2012 10:51:07
rumour has it ally mccoist will quit today a true gentleman till the end,if ally quits i see it as a sign that he feels it isnt the rangers he played for and loved anymore,newco rangers will have to earn my support

"newco rangers will have to earn my support"

What does that mean? You wont support them till they start winning things...? This whole saga is a nightmare for everyone involved, the people owed money, the players, staff and supporters. But for right or wrong I will always support Rangers. New name or not! If your going to wait and see how "good" we are before you grace us with your ticket money, don't bother!

14 Jun 2012 10:22:56
So it looks like Sally does do walking away...but no doubt still some of you blinkered bigots will say it part of the master plan...people say Scottish football is going to go downhill without rangers...I say if you just disappear your fans are footie fans and will follow other clubs within Scotland so their gates will go up...if you end up being newco in 3rd div how good will it be for these clubs in that division also while your away from spl these teams have better chance of European football

If your club goes to the wall will you support another club, take your head out your a*se mate, div 3 for me and next year 2 or 3 spl clubs will be down there with us big eck

Follow other clubs in Scotland? Get a grip. {Ed039's Note - I will never follow another Scottish Club and my English team is a half a**ed support I have for them)

Give it a try ED you might find you like it. Why not try out a few Partick or Motherwell perhaps. He's not suggesting going the whole hog and suppoerting Celtic. I take my Rangers supporting father in Law to see St Mirren a few times every year and quite likes it. I can see him coming a bit more often if Rangers on Sky or at Ibrox is not a n alternative. I expect there are many decent rangers fans that might end up doing similar.

14 Jun 2012 10:11:48
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the best solution to punishment for Rangers would be a demotion to the first division. It'll keep the other fans relatively happy and the SPL clubs would only lose out on a year of income generated by Rangers being in the top flight. The third division is a step too far - remember all the Rangers fans and staff that had nothing to do with this debacle - you can't keep punishing these people for complete and utter mismanagement by a handful of dirty businessmen.
It has to be first division for Rangers.
Billy

Thought you had to go to Div 3 and work up.You can't just walk into Div 1.Ed- tell us the situation please {Ed039's Note - I dont know if it is possible, SFL and SPL two differenct organisations, if Rangers booted out of SPL they must apply to SFL and as far as I know they would need to start at bottom and work their way up, but who knows what punishment they could come up with)

14 Jun 2012 09:46:56
If Ally walks then so should Green. Ally is the one apart from players that has Rangers in their hearts, the rest are scavengers

I thought Ally said he didnt do walking away?

14 Jun 2012 09:42:33
Think its a disgrace that clubs are voting against newco rangers ther stubborness is killing scottish football. as a celtic fan i hope the newco get back in because realistical how can a poor spl survive without a team that is on a par with the cchampions.

14 Jun 2012 09:35:29
Know you've probably heard this before but what the hell: Rangers last 2 owners were Green and Whyte there last signing was Cellik and the Queen shut you down on the 12th lol

Actually the 14th june ya plonker {Ed039's Note - And Green was never the owner ....... unbelievable)

14 Jun 2012 09:25:54
the racing post has said that ally mccoist will resign is this true ? if so then I for one say that rangers will be definetely finished as players will surely follow.

They can all walk away as free agents from today.

14 Jun 2012 09:10:49
Could someone please explain that since Rangers are now entering Liquidation how does Green get rangers? I thought the whole point of liquidation was for the administrators to sell everything, all assets and anything left of value and give what is left, after they take their massive cut, to the creditors. SO why does green get everything with what seems to be no competition?


So the big question why is there no bidding now from other parties for rangers assets and start again. Can Blue knights not get involved again??

14 Jun 2012 08:58:02
Daily Record saying Super Ally will walk away because Green plans to sack him!

It gets worser and woser every day.

This is really 'the end'.Gutted

14 Jun 2012 08:36:41
I was on here defending Green, well if the story is true that Ally's away, then I am away too. How dare he treat a legend this way, disgusting.

No matter what team you support I think we all have admiration for Ally--not all his actions etc but he is liked by all and you know he is a genuine 'fan' too.That, I have to admire even if it's not my team.I for one am sad if he is going.This makes the whole fiasco even worse---if it could get any worse,it just has.Good luck to him,I really mean that.

14 Jun 2012 07:36:57
Ed...I feel this has to be sai! The "so called rangers fans" who come on here shouting about never watchin Scottish football again or not going to another game and not supporting a newco....then you know what....good!! It's a time like this that we need to drop all you dead wood fans who are living in the dark ages, it's you lot who think a game lasts 80mins at ibrox, it's you lot who sing the songs that get us in trouble. This newco regardless who says....it's STILL rangers, they play at ibrox train at Murray park and wear blue...are you stupid?! I sign "I'm rangers till I die" every week not "I'm only rangers when it suits". To all these so called fans good ridance after 3-5years when we r competing again, please don't come running back. If ALL our players sign for newco and they run out the tunnel wearing blue shirts with rangers on it playing in whatever division then WE all have a duty to fill that stadium with real supporters. The history will be gone....that means no links to religion etc. A short pain for a long term gain, it's make sense. We are the people....and always will be no matter what! Reply with what you like....sometimes the truth just hurts.

Wake up son!

NO ALLY = NO PLAYERS. NO PLAYERS = NO RANGERS

NO RANGERS PEOPLE WILL BE LEFT AT THE CLUB! All the history will be just that. No-one will represent our past.

ALL WILL BE GONE!

GDog
WATP

100% correct mate. Even though if the history does go we still no its there. RTID

I said I wouldnt follow a newco along time ago. I will always support Rangers but a newco is NOT rangers no matter how much you tell your self it is. What our board has done, is nothing short of a disgrace. I will move to my local team, my choice. A newco is a way of them not paying what they are due. How is it fair, we bought players we couldnt afford, then shut up shop change our details. And start again debt free. And all these fans moaning that we shouldnt be sent down to div 3. Put your self in their place. We would be calling for them to be sent down. I was called a glory hunter cause I wouldnt follow a newco I personally think its the fans who are more than happy with the idea of a newco with no debt that are the glory hunters. Kill the debt and get back to winning trophies. That is not why I support Rangers!
Don

14 Jun 2012 06:21:56
AND THE BAND PLAYED WALTZING MATILDA.
Will rangers fan go a waltzing with Charles Green. Or is that like dancing with the devil.
If Green gets his hands on the assets for £5.5mill he'll make money that's for sure but what good is a club without a fan base. Will rangers fans part with their hard earned cash and dance with this devil allowing him to increase his profit margin.

14 Jun 2012 01:44:19
Is the football world in Scotland going mad? Rangers fans want to play in Div3 - aye right. Celtic to vote against RFC newco into SPL - aye right. Rangers will be in SPL next season because short sighted is the only game in town. The brave and best outcome would be RFC to SFL but an increase in size of SPL so that more teams can get back to a long term approach of bringing in local talent - aye right. The professional game in this country could disappear unless we start to address the fundamental problems now. RFC staying in SPL would be a sticking plaster and we all know it.

14 Jun 2012 00:43:24
Hear SFA have asked UEFA to rule on players contracts. What is it with this organisation?

Do they have rules for anything, it appears as every day goes by their incompetence becomes ever clearer. This is the governing body of Scottish football, and they either don't have rules in place, and those rules that they do have
They completely ignore and make up rules on the
hoof, which is why we had to take court.

I think questions have to be asked of them, and in fact the SPL, who yet agin have no rules in place for a newco. The last few years have seen a world financial mess, it cannot be beyond the wit of man to see that a football club may be in trouble. And yet no rules exist, so they will make them up as they go along. However I think it grossly unfair to make rules when one club is in that position.

Is it to much to ask that rules be put into place?
Is it to much to ask that those rules be stuck to?

Maybe its due to the rangers fans shouting foul of every decision and the bigotted prejudice shouted about Regan every time they make a decision or maybe its simply fear that if they make a decision in Scotland they will be personally attacked by thugs of either side of the old firm or maybe they don't want to end up in the court of session again this decision protects them from all these things and allows a transparent independent review,which can only be what everyone wants surely?
Nevis

If we had played by. The rules it wouldn't have mattered

Just as well clubs not over regulated as Rangers would have broken every conceivable rule. It was lack of self regulation that was Rangers undoing. No sane person could have envisaged any club being run in shuch a shambolic way.
The maximum amount owing to HMRC is around 45 years of St Mirren's annual playing budget.
Don't expect any mercy.

The SFA and SPL lack of rules and grey areas has been beneficial to Rangers getting "a wee bit of luck" from the SFA over the years. No one will forget the McCoist Lennon scuffle on camera whereby Lennon got a 6 game ban and McCoist got no case to answer.

The players have a contract with Rangers 1899. They have no contract with Rangers 1012 (newco). At the exact point of liquidation they are free.
They would need a job offer with terms and conditions and duration from newco and then have to sign that offer to be contracted.

A perfect example of whats wrong in this country.From MP's to large business,too many suits on a career path and pension gathering mission running things.ALL football organisations should be run by respected ex players put there by a fan vote.Just because you have run a chain of grocery shops does not mean you can run a shipyard,how can an MP be Minister for Education in one govt and then Minister for transport in the next? It is time we as citizens took matters into our own hands and ousted every slacker from positions of power and influence.

4. Its all gone well for ally since eh ?