Rangers Banter Archive February 14 2012

14 Feb 2012 22:45:34
Is it just me, or does the tax man and the bank before them have a bloody cheek ?. Everyone one of us working class bears have been told, not asked, but told that we have to pay extra taxes because the banks screwed up the economy. Do you think we could all say no fook yous ?.

You've said it in 1 ! our country is like thr churchill dog! NODS IT HEAD .i'd love to ever single person who works in the uk to walk out for a wk and just watch the goverment waken up BIG TIME your so right. lee

Irony is just lost on you eh?

Craig Whyte tried it and failed.

Cheerio Rangers.

No one has been told to pay extra taxes because of the failure of banks.

If your going to make a point, make sure it's not a load of crap.

The VAT was 1 of the many things that has been increased because of the banks ya muppet! Do you really think it was us little people that cause the banking collapse.

We were told that every one of us would pay extra tax for x amount of years because of the banks, the guy who says this is crap should check his info.

14 Feb 2012 22:22:01
I know its easy to say but I have never and will never believe that Craig Thomas Whyte is in this to help The Rangers FC, even if he has a masterstroke tucked away he is still being economical with the truth - ok SDM was to blame for starting this but its obvious now that CW does not have the finance he claimed to have, the fact he registered his preferred administrator also talks volumes, the company that is in charge from this afternoon is the company who where involved during the takeover and that is why HMRC took to court today, they know it is not in their interest to see Duff & Co in charge. And if you also wanted more proof where has the 9 million went that has been getting deducted for PAYE - that was not SDM, its easy for us to think we will get a Newco RFC with no debt but Whyte is a dangerous person to depend on and I am sorry guys but there is more bad news to come, points deducted at the moment, be serious now and think what will be next after the players go....we have no credit, we have no status (except the esteem we hold for the club) Auchehowie will go very shortly, sponsors will not renew - if the latest meeting CW held lat Monday was anything to go by, in which he was still being evasive - I fear for us. Believe me I do not want this but I am just being totally realistic.

Couldnt agree more, wish somebody would just tell us straight obviously fans dont count as important on whytes list.. craig+babybear

14 Feb 2012 22:24:30
cousan , has not been registere with the sfa the only players we can sign is emergency goalkeepers , he has signed contract but cannot play , who the f*** is running our club , we are a joke , and the tommies are loving it {Ed003's Note - The SFA are going to decide about Cousin's regristration in the next few days}

14 Feb 2012 22:17:01
Just watched Mccoist interview on RangersTv. I feel so sorry for him!
We need everyone at ibrox on saturday and every other game to support the team whatever we think about Whyte.
We need to have Ibrox rocking for every home game left and show what a great support we are!!
Anyone who doesnt should be ashamed of themselves and let the true supporters support the team.
This will sort out the real fans from the glory hunters!!

Mccoist aint blameless either.he stooged for whytes lies a few times and lost four streams of revenue and blew a big lead in the league

Hes a multi millionaire m8....he disnae give a hoot

14 Feb 2012 22:07:22
is the true that cousin is not singing cause of that fud cw

He's not singing, 'cause he doesn't know the words !!

14 Feb 2012 22:00:19
Let's get behind Ally and OUR team! The rest will sort its self out! The only important thing just now is Rangers FC! The league, the tic is now important for now!

14 Feb 2012 21:35:03
I haven't been posting on the site for a few weeks, been busy but I think today has hit all the Bears hard.
Craig Whyte has been given the benefit of the doubt for so long, by myself too, mainly because of his silences with the occasional "Am doing all i can for the club" speeches. But this guy has Clearly ran out of excuses when £40 million goes walkies.

Now Celtic Fans, I know you all claim to have predicted this, because your knowledge of the inner workings of HMRC are plain to see (Sarcasm doesn't come across well in text huh?) But I remember 1994, alot of you wont, alot of you will. I remember Standing at the blue gates at the Copeland Road end having conversations with Real Bears who followed the gers decades before my time. We talked about what would happen if Celtic dissappeared. Would you still pay your hard earned cash to watch your team play the rest of the league without the lure of the Old Firm Matches. (and this was before the big Sky Deals)
Its not about surviving financially without the other giant, not to the working men and women like us....its about entertaining 50 thousand or 60 thousand fans every other week. Not in my life would i want that rivalry to end.... We all know its more than just a rivalry too, I have family, best friends, who are are Celtic Fans who can easily see the downfall of Scottish Football without a Rangers. If you can't see how it goes downhill for everyone if Rangers go out of business and don't compete, then its you that has your head in the sands
Its okay to Gloat about the troubles Rangers are in, Timalloy, Miko, Lenny (well, at lenny comes out with some good issues)are all at it, some of us take the bait some of us just laugh it off, I've done it to Celtic Fans when it was there problem, and throughout 9 in a row, but to say that Scottish Football would survive in its current form with only one super Power winning the league each year is Ludicrous. SPL international Branding isn't going as well as other leagues guys.(Psst heres a nasty wee secret for celtic fans, I know chinese people who dont know who or what a Celtic Football Club is.....shhhhhhh)

I feel for every guy who, in todays financial climate, have followed the bears home and away, all over Europe. Its not just about the History, its about Familys, generations, Grandfathers taking Grandchildren, fathers taking their children to their first game, like their father did before them. Its about the 250-odd people that work at ibrox and murray park who will in all likelyness lose their jobs.

Maybe in a way Rangers should have been a bit more like Celtic in the 90's...Demonstrations, Boycotts, threats to the board causing police escorts... If, buts and Maybes are too late now however.
All we can do is hope this mess is cleared up as soon as possible, and we find out where the Fans money has gone, Where the Paye money has gone, Where the Jelivic money went.

Anyway, just some mad rambling since am waiting on my grub to be delivered. Saves me phoning in to Real Radio and putting out a Nation wide hit on Whyte

Keep the chins up Bears, Paul Murray has already approached the administrators with a "How much to get yous tae F*ck", approach. and One of the rumours floating about is the Guy that Used to own Weirs Pumps was sniffing about last year, but Murray knocked him back because of a property deal that went bad years before, is keeping tabs on whats happening (don't know if its true, but just whats been going around)

Ed...Can you look into what happens to the Season Ticket holders for Kilmarnock? is it a case of pay at the gates, will the season tickets be null and void?? (again not scare mongering, just not sure whats gonna happen)

Rikkisixx (Glass always half full, just to annoy Timalloy) {Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware, the season tickets are being honoured.}

Well said mate. Whyte is a crook and we should show him what we think at the next home game.
J

Blah,blah,blah. if your team had played fair n paid taxes due you would not be in this mess..end of.

To the nameless poster above with his mature response. What has that to do with the above post?
I think rangers fans understand the problem. We want answers as to where that money that whyte has accrued has dissappeared to.

I am not making excuses, but also all Rangers Fans (with Exception to Mr Murray, McClelland et all,) are blameless for this situation. All we are to blame for is wanting a club to succeed, and throwing millions of pounds season after season into rangers, and following them all over the world. If we knew that this is how we were going about Signing Sh*te such as Flo, Konterman, Emerson, Berg, De Boer (Frank) and the rest, there would have been a reaction

Rikkisixx

14 Feb 2012 21:55:18
Totally devastated about our club. We are all in this together so I say this to all Rangers supporters that we need to stick together. I really dont mean to sound like a complete idiot, is there anything we can do to save our club? I mean this in the respect that I think Barcelona are a club owned by the supporters... is there anything at all? Rangers Till I Die x

Barca are owned by the catalan spanish council i think, thats why they dont usually need a sponser on there jerseys, heard in germany they have supporters involved though might be worth a look ... but and its a big but would whyte actually want somebody else owning it when he is gonna make a fortune either way... craig+babybear

14 Feb 2012 21:08:18
ED.is my season ticket still vaid for the rest of season {Ed003's Note -Yes }

14 Feb 2012 21:48:57
on the radio that rangers staff may not get paid this month,,why is it always the less fortunate to suffer first?get rid of gordon smith first,neil murray isnt needed either,terrible scout

Neil Murray was a shocking footballer aswell

14 Feb 2012 21:46:45
can anyone confirm, if we go into liquidation and have to reform as a new rangers entity - can we apply for the english league or is that a non starter. it seems the only light at the end of a dark tunnel. going to scottish 3 division does not bear thinking about.

The English league authorities will not entertain Rangers moving to England.

We can apply, whether we will be allowed to join is another matter.

You can apply to join any league you want mate. Problem is you need the majority of the league members to vote you in. Would English league teams want us in ruining their promotion chances.

Technically if we were liquidated the teams in the spl could force a vote to get us back in or start a new league. Celic dont need us so that wont happen. The only thing we can't do is play in Europe if we are in administration beyond end of mar 12.

14 Feb 2012 21:15:35
F..k think we have more to worry us than cousin not signing . Way things are going mite not have a team for sat all for a money grabing b.....d like White .. Kenny

14 Feb 2012 21:05:43
Hi ED, just a quick question ... what happens if we win the tax case? Does that mean we have taken a 10 point deduction for no reason or does this mean that we have no chance of winning the tax case ( bearing in mind that david murray said today that the tax case remains ' favourable' )? {Ed001's Note - if Rangers win, it just means that it will be easier to get the club out of admin, but the admin was necessary to save the club.}

The tax case was not the reason for admin. the fact Whyte has ran up a tax bill of £9m since taking over the club. If we win the big tax case we might have a chance to come out of admin. if we lose the tax case it will be impossible for us to survive.
Don't believe a word Whyte says. He has done nothing but lie since taking over and even before taking over. Even as he stood at the front door of Ibrox last night, nothing but lies came out his mouth.
Sure the old board have to take some blame in this situation, Murray especially . He was the one who put us in the situation with EBT's and he was the one who sold the club to the liar Whyte. Today was a dark day, but there are worse days to come over the next week or so.

Oh thats right trust murray cos he;s great!

It's simple a) Win the Tax Case and we can then come out of Administration b) Lose the Tax Case and we're Liquidated.
So to re-cap - a) happy days b) We're fu*ked

14 Feb 2012 21:00:31
the myans were right aftre all 2012

14 Feb 2012 20:46:55
Whittakers 20-25 grand a weeks got to go soon he'll be the first "big" name to go as he hasn't played so in phelps an co's mind that's "money for nothing"... An worse to follow no doubt... Look for open transfer windows an start punting McKay bedoya an the like... Gonna be f&cking brutal like... PaulRFC

Et tu brutal

Its unlikely the administrators will get rid of players that are worth a decent amount ie. Whittaker, Edu, Davis, McGrgeor. Expect to see Bartley back to Arsenal, Papac potentially gone, Healy gone, Kerkar gone.

14 Feb 2012 20:34:27
Ed, first of all I think you guys run a great website. However, why do you have a rumours page and a banter page. In almost every reply to rumours there are celtic fans engaging in banter rather than contributing or commenting on actual rumours. {Ed003's Note - Not a lot we can do really once a post goes on rumours we can't change the type of replies on the thread, unless we delete them all,sorry mate }

14 Feb 2012 20:23:05
guys,get off craig whytes back,what he,s done was the only way out at this present time with the tax case hanging over us.if it all works out then rangers are debt free(and i dont care what sceptic supporters say regarding not paying tax) because without this course of action our future would have been bleak.there is no way in hell we could survive even paying a third of that back so lets just hope that the position craig whyte benefits rangers as much as it looks like it could benefit him.Agree not knowing my clubs future is worrying however have to let this guy get on with his job and give him the benefit of the doubt as things stand.EVERYONE PLEASE LETS FILL IBROX AND SHOW ALLY AND THE PLAYERS WE STAND TALL,PROUD OF THEM AND PROUD OF OUR FAMOUS CLUB WHO WILL BE RESTORED TO CHAMPIONS VERY SOON.(SHOW CELTIC THAT IN TIMES OF TROUBLE WE ARE STILL THE PEOPLE)

What you talking about this has nothing to do with the "the big tax case" Its 9million PAYE since he took over which hasnt been paid. The man is a fraud. only out for self gain.

We are the people ? What about the people in ibrox ? The joe blogs ? Properly going to be out of a job because of this Craig whyte & what he's done. Old saying is the rich will always be rich no matter what. average people like you & me & the rest of us don't make anywhere what whytes worth. Aye rally round for your team etc but maybe think a bit more about the average joe behind closed doors who's probz not going to get paid this month because of the damage hes caused.

Lenny

You must be on good gear.

Your 'proud' of a club who has cheated the public out of many millions of pounds of tax money and are even now still trying to worm their way out of paying what they owe. Money which could be put into education or hospitals etc. You disgust me.

Mikey Bhoy

We haven't cheated anyone yet. Remember we're Innocent until proven otherwise, that's the law.

Em not paying £9m in PAYE and NI which has been deducted from innocent workers pay packets is cheating people out of money. Using EBT's to avoid paying taxes which every other person/company in the country has to pay is cheating the public out of money. They are guilty of that, the case is about wether they have to pay it all back.

14 Feb 2012 20:03:14
Let me say that I do not and never have believed a word that whyte says. He is a thoroughly disreputable character of that there is no doubt. For the sake of making a point I am going to use his figures.

He states a £10m shortfall per year. We have had nine months but lets even allow him a £10m figure.

He states he used his money for the £18m pay back to lloyds.

He states borrowed £24.4m from ticketus.

He sold Jelavic for £4m up front, forget the rest.

Therefore we should have at least £18.4m.

He had not paid paye, vat , ni amounting to £9m, this would have been included in the £45m running costs, so we should have £27.4m.

His figures not mine, now we will see where this money has gone, we will hear more lies from the charlatan, we will hear more denials from Murray and his cronies. Why it has started already with Johnston saying there is a clause that Murray could buy club back, and Murray saying there is no clause. It is just lie after lie.

What we are going through is miserable but perhaps we will clear ourselves of these spivs and con men once and for all. Mr Struth, mr Waddell , mr Wallace and many other good Rangers men will be spinning in their graves at the state of our club.

The in whyte we trust mob must realise the error of their ways, we must now stand together and do whatever it takes to see our club through this mess.

Another rangers fan who canny count... Does no one get a wage off your fantasy figures?

14 Feb 2012 20:00:06
to all you so called 'fans' out there calling for boycotts at the remaining games and not renewing season tickets, you should all hang your heads in shame. At the lowest point in our clubs history you all turn your backs...you are supposed to SUPPORT the team not desert it in its time of need. I for 1 will b at all remaining games singing and encouraging my team to win just as i always do. I will also be renewing my season ticket for next year because win lose or draw i will always give rangers my full support. Rangers til i die. If your a glory hunter who is only interested when we r winning then please go and support some1 else..our club needs true fans.
Ian

Well said m8. am the same
shotts rfc

Bulls**t mate, Mr Whyte has taking ALL fans for a ride, He knew exactly what he was doing and being the prefered creditor he is the only one who is going to gain out this situation, so you can keep lining his pockets all you want, I will be back when he is gone, if there still is a Glasgow Rangers. RTID

Me to I posted about the 30000 glory hunters at the cup game and took dogs abuse fek them don't come back ever

There never has been a GLASGOW rangers!

14 Feb 2012 19:58:25
just heard from a good source that players out of contract in the next year will be let go in the next few days. seems theres a cull going on.laugh it off like you have done with all the news you get.

14 Feb 2012 19:52:35
RANGERSNEWS ,
All loan players bartley etc will be leaving in the next 24 hours , mr grier the director of the company appointed for admin is a close friend of craig whyte! He was around ibrox before the takeover! AS

14 Feb 2012 19:49:14
A consortium led by a Saudi billionaire are believed to be about to step in! Heard from an inside source

Why would a saudi billionaire be intrested sh*t league he has no ties with the club dream on

Shaddup

I also heard this.his name is Amin Admin.

Is his name

Sheik n Vac

Lubo25

14 Feb 2012 19:27:03
now is not the time to show our grievance with whyte by boycotting it's a time when all of us need to come out and fill the stadium to the rafters in support of super ally and the team who will need the fans more than ever!

Super ally!champs league-OUT,europa league-OUT,league cup-OUT,scottish cup-OUT.thats four revenue streams super ally has cost you.and dont forget the league points dropped...........

Sadly have to agree any additional income was a must and Ally couln't motivate the troops. And let's not forget the beloved Naisy who was a big factor in the Champions League/League cup flops cause he can't stop stupid fouls and that's why he got himself crocked too!

14 Feb 2012 19:36:29
what money has whyte put into our club none how much has he got out of us 24 million plus season ticket money at start of season the jelavic cash aswel where is all this money why did he borrow money when he new he was going make us bust he aint paid his tax either 9million bill thats why we are in admin today not cause of the old board in my opinion he is the one that should sit down and tell us whats going on but he wont he is the man thats killed rangers today way not paying his bill he should be removed from rangers

So Murray done f*** all as well. What a sad end to a institution.

14 Feb 2012 19:32:06
liquidation is the only option, if Rangers lose the tax case, no doubt there will be an appeal, and if the win, no doubt the HMRC will appeal, no one will buy a club until this is sorted and it could take another year, so administration will be a long process, also the other creditors will want their money, only option is to sell assets and start again, because as it stands under UEFA rules there will be no european football for at least a year, possibly 3

14 Feb 2012 19:15:51
Can someone explain to me where the 9 million pounds PAYE and NI has gone. Surely this is deducted at source. Wheres the Jelavic money gone 6 million pounds, the 24.5 million pounds Ticketus money. Whyte has stated he paid the debts and we were debt free in May last year. Where is the money why are we in administration, will this come out in the wash, I for one hope so.

Is that not classed as fraud and jail sentance.

14 Feb 2012 19:08:10
24 million from ticketus 15 million season tickets 9 million from staff p a y e wages 7 million jelavic bougherra sales..55 million in total where is the money.ed is it possible he has it stashed somewhere,and is able to use it when we hopefully come out of administration or is it gone just to keep rangers afloat these past few months as he didn't have any money at all to take over the club. {Ed001's Note - I very much doubt he would be able to stash it anywhere and then enter admin. If the money is available to the club, then there would be no need to visit administration.}

14 Feb 2012 18:48:35
Ed, could you please answer a few questions to the best of your knowledge about the ongoings at Rangers. I appreciate that you may not know a lot right now but if you could share what you know that would be great.

a) Have we been put into administration due to being unable to pay last years taxes? (9million)

b) Before we can come out of administration to we have to strike a deal with creditors and then does the club have to be sold on?

c) If we were to emerge from administration would we have to re-enter it, if we were found guilty of the main tax case (50-75million) or would this be wiped out if the club was sold on?

As you can see I'm no expert, and I presume neither are you. So thanks for any answer you are able to provide.

Cheers,

G95 {Ed001's Note - no, I am not an expert, but I will try and answer the best I can.
a) that is certainly the pretext that HMRC used to petition the courts for admin, I am not sure what grounds Whyte used though, sorry.
b) the club does not have to be sold to come out of admin, merely agree a way to pay off the debts and be able to manage to pay those debts, as well as becoming a profitable company.
c) I doubt it would be possible to exit admin before the result of the tax case were known.}

Cheers Ed,

Just to add.... If Whyte wound the club up, to be restarted under a new name either by him or a new owner would the HMRC get there money or would they lose out on it?

Also, would Ibrox and Murray Park have to be sold if the club was to start up as a new company.

Cheers,

G95 {Ed001's Note - the HMRC would get a cut of whatever was raised, just like all the creditors would. How much they would get would depend on how much was in the pot to split. But they would not be eligible to receive anything from the new club. Any new start would have to begin without any assets except for those brought in. If someone stepped in and bought Ibrox and Murray Park, then either donated them or used them as the basis of the new club, that would be ok. But they couldn't just transfer them over to a new company, the current Rangers will no longer exist.}

14 Feb 2012 18:03:40
ed. This might sound stupid but what is administration? {Ed001's Note - the simplest way to explain it is that the club is given over to the control of specialists, who work to turn a struggling entity into a profitable one.}

14 Feb 2012 19:05:14
I personally think -10 points is nothing, you will still finish 2nd. I think it should be -36 points. And the club should but all there players up for sale apart from the academy players. Maybe do what they do in France in relegate them down a few leagues. Its about time clubs should go out of business and not be safed. And no I am not a Celtic Fan or much of a football. Just sick of the creed in sport.

Why the **** should it be -36?!

The rule is -10 for any club who goes into administration, you can't just change that for us.

G95

The penalty is set for all clubs you can't just change it when it suits.

Least rankers are saving the SPL money.....no need for a helicopter this year, we could pick it up from Ibrokes after the next old firm game!

DazzaBhoy

14 Feb 2012 19:04:00
Please mind the gap :-)

Come up with something new and better.

14 Feb 2012 18:57:38
u should be ashamed to be a rangers supporter today ! not one of you has mentioned unfair play ! paying your debts rather than shafting everyone ! its all about your club ! no shame

Fans not guilty

I think you should be ashamed of your post, get a grip. It's hardly the fans fault.

14 Feb 2012 18:51:54
Celtic fan in peace:

Forget about the football side of things for 1 min,its ok for the footballers they earn plenty but for the rest its a different story so just a thought all the people who work at Ibrox. Here's hoping you manage to keep your jobs till all is sorted


Cprs1

What heartless **** disagreed with the 1st post?

Mr Blonde

14 Feb 2012 18:44:20
I read bears yesterday and today
trying to put guilt trip on all us
Tims for celebrating, well how about
this......
Craig Whyte has a history of this
putting firms into administration and
he has had no thought or even any
sympathy for all the people he
has made redundant, same pattern
at Ibrokes. You should say SHAME
on Craig Whyte.
Also again I see 10 of you turned up
again at Ibrokes, Whyte is loving
this as he knows no bears have the
guts to protest in numbers.
Unless you do a "Celtic" and ask
questions AND put your hands in
the pockets your club is dead.
Timalloy

Wooooooooooooooo!
'shame on you craig whyte' Nope didn't work -do we say it just once or more than once, click our heels? ok what's next?
Do a 'celtic' - what will complaining about a ref do? ok suffer at least 25 years of a very very bad board and then it'll now take 4 years to get them out and to find a buyer for the club.
Nope I don't think we fancy waiting 4 yrs to get him out. Ask questions again and put our hands in the pockets?
Why oh why do you come on here?
Go away and celebrate that's your choice.
There have been very supportive posts from real celtic supporters which have received thanks from bears.
You're a different beast entirely.
Iam Legend

14 Feb 2012 18:36:40
Time to step up and be supporters!

CC

14 Feb 2012 18:29:03
If this Paul Murray can pull this out the hat I will kiss his a***

14 Feb 2012 18:20:43
It's now time for us gets fans to buy out whyte by giving a donation of £500 each. 100,000 went to Manchester and thousands more were in pubs and at home. Surely we could invite someone like alistair Johnston to help us start a saving rangers fund.

If we are going to put our money towards Rangers it should not go to Whyte. Check out all his statements and his previous dealings, he is not a person I would trust with my money. Let's go down the AFC Wimbledon route and start a new Rangers and let Whyte do his own thing with his own money. That would be a first!

Everyone says this but its actually doing it thats hard! the RST should be doing more via FB etc in collaboration with Rangers Media.

Aye thats all right in saying this scenario
not every fan has this money

and not every fan will agree

Av got 2 empty ginger bottles if that helps

I have five 1st class stamps i can chip in

14 Feb 2012 18:13:56
Today been a hard day for us all, starting tomorrow we rebuild and look forward

Das Shadow

Your in denial mate, tmor is the start of rangers being dismantled not the start of a rebuild! Bet u were still thinking admin wouldn't happen even yesterday

I've always thought we would go into admin, granted thought it would have been nearer the announcement of the tax case.

Das Shadow

14 feb 2012 18:01:04
when will we all realise that
craig whytes plan all along
was tp put us into admin , we
have not lost the tax case yet,
he has not paid vat or taxes
since he took over , which he
denied last week , he had planned
this all the time and hoped our
fans would be stupid enough to
think it was the impending tax
bill , for the last 5yrs we have
made a profit and he has come in
and sold over 10 million in
players out and spent just 1.8
alson add thw 24million from
ticketus , he is an expert at
this , we need to demonstrate
against him ... dont be fooled
he can only gain if rangers fail......

14 Feb 2012 17:25:17
I guess this will be the point where everyone sees just how dedicated/ loyal each player is to Rangers, when the administrators start asking players to take wage cuts.

Doesn't matter how "loyal" they all are, if the administrator want's them sold they will be!

DazzaBhoy

DazzaBhoy you cant sell outside the window so players would either be released or have to take a pay cut.

14 Feb 2012 17:41:05
Hi ed, I am a first time poster on this site as i am a celtic fan, hopefully the fans will back the manager and players through this, hopefully something is sorted out with the hmrc and soon, we need a strong old firm!

Good to hear a fan being honest about whats good for scottish football.we need each other or the will be no tv money at all.

14 Feb 2012 17:39:00
Another £9m in unpaid paye & vat. This is really beyond belief, what has Whyte done with the money, guess we will soon find out.

Actually half wish that hmrc had been given go ahead to appoint administrator then we may get the truth, I hope the administrator who was with whyte back in may does not try any funny stuff.

We have to take our medicine now and the sooner we start the sooner we get back.

14 Feb 2012 17:10:38
I like this quote by dhim thim that "Scottish football will prosper" without rangers... Are you stupid? I'd like to see the stats as to who has done more for our co-efficience since that was brought in... Coz without rangers we'd of been in the same pot as San Marino years ago.. Celtic fans don't care about that mind you as most of them "support" a foreign national team anyway! PaulRFC

Dont be such a child people can support whoever they want

@paul rfc;most of us are of irish descent thats why.mug

14 Feb 2012 17:08:08
What is this obsession with rangers money keeping scottish football alive? As far as i know you have not been liquidated,its only administration and thats a big difference.The very worst that can happen is a ten point deduction this season and next if administration has not been cleared.Liquidation on the other hand would be a major problem,but,it would still only mean starting from scratch in div 3. loyal is a word thats been bandied around by rangers fans for all my lifetime,so whats the problem? two succesive promotions and back as "new rangers" or another name. if the crowds dropped because of liquidation then you cant be a true rangers fan.common sense surely.

You don't have very high ambitions for this 'new rangers' if you'll settle for 2 promotions and a life in division 1

Mikey Bhoy

No chance of div 3, gang of 6 on the spl will vote to keep newco in with point deductions, turkeys voting for Xmas otherwise.

The six will not vote to save us as we have screwed most of them over

14 Feb 2012 17:05:02
Just heard the statement from the Administrators, looking like CW has deliberately placed us in Admin to completely stuff HMRC. It wasnt the wee or big tax case but the non payment of any tax ie PAYE since his takeover which was approximately 9m.No wonder they wanted their Admin team in, stories floating about that HMRC are raging and gutted. Black day for the club.

14 Feb 2012 17:03:08
The biggest victory Rangers could have all season is that Rangs are I control of the administration. HMRC are now on a loser. If Craig Whyte is a Rangers man then this will be stage 1 of a bigger plan. Now we all have to keep our fingers crossed he is not a rat.

Believe me this was a massive massive win.

GDog
WATP

For craig but no one else he is a crook

The sheister is a rat, this is what hedoes for a living, murray needs to hang his head in shame, watp
andygers74

The administrator have a statutory obligation to the creditors not to Craig whyte. He will also be watched like a hawk

Massive win? your a massive fool

14 Feb 2012 16:58:53
I fthe Stadium goes up for sale the fans should buy it!

there must be 100,000 fans out there with £500. I would chip that in for a share!

£50million right away!

Bluegenius

Genius! push on with that.ask david murray how it worked for him

14 Feb 2012 17:18:36
All bears keep our chins up! Let's get to the killie game on saturday in our numbers and get behind our team! Rangers have never needed us as much as they do now !

14 Feb 2012 17:14:57
everyone should head to ibrox right now!

The reason we are in admin is due to unpaid tax and PAYE! whyte has taken 24m from
the club, 5m Jela, 3m bougy, 13m
season ticket revenue, plus he was
supposed to invest 11.6m as part
of takeover, that is over 50m! how
da f*** cant we pay monthly tax bills!

14 Feb 2012 16:53:10
Celtic fan in peace here lads, just on to see what the general feeling is among the Bears, I'm pretty sure you'll be fine in the long run. Maybe a couple of years tightening the belts but I'm sure the Rangers fans will turn out and see the club survives this. I know I'd be gutted if it was the other way about so I'm not about to take the p**s or anything. Good luck with it all.
Colshy

Top man, many thanks

Colshy - cheers, fair play to you.
Iam Legend

@colshy; short memory mate,didnt hear one word of sympathy when celtic were in a mess. remember the hearse?

Cheers for your comments m8 your right we will be back cheers again .. Kenny

Thx mate... your decency marks you apart from the shameful Celtic fans who spend more time hating Rangers than loving their own team. As a Gers fan of nearly 50 years I feel sick to the pit of my stomach tonite. You obviously know what it is to love your team as I and thousands of decent Rangers do. Take care

14 Feb 2012 16:41:38
Celtic fan. Incredibly difficult times
ahead, however, believe in your club,
thats what you do, you will be back
again, theres no doubt about that,
Rangers are to big a club to just
disappear, stand tall and stand
proud, this is your club, you will be
back again, good luck.
KB

Very decent of you mate thanks for the support And yes we will be back

Great post mate, your sentiment is
much appreciated.
j1985

Thanks,means a lot from a Celtic fan,we are very raw as you can see,basically,got what was coming to us,the money men have a lot to answer for,onwards and upwards.

Im a celtic fan to and im here to say mon the celtic. glasgows green and white

Thanks for that. Great to know there are decent Celtic fans online. Shocking to see the hatred from some of your fellow 'fans' however. I love beating Celtic but would never wish they were out of business. Also would like Lawell etc to say something less unkind but wont hold my breath

14 Feb 2012 16:34:41
If Celtic dinnae need us and we're no gonnae win the league let's boycott the next game at Parkhead and then they'll see how much money they're gonnae miss in future!

Celtic will sell your allocation,,,,no loss,,,if anything gain,,

Celtic would just sell the tickets to our own support,how would we lose any money!

Dessybhoy

Boycott Celtic Park all you want but it's your club you'll be depriving of money...the Celtic board are not as daft and gullible as you lot and will ensure the money for tickets is paid in advance like last time

Mikey Bhoy

Get a grip FFS. What has happened to our Great Club today has got F All to do with celtic. We put ourselves into this mess and we will get out of it in time. Mr Liewell can say what he wants to paper over the cracks at his own club who have lost the last 3 titles to a very poor Rangers. Real Celtic supporters Know this and it is probably these same Real Celtic supporters who have came on this site to wish us the best for the future. I M O Rangers and Celtic need each other to survive. Liewell can think what he wants but is anyone really surprised that he is having a Pop at us when we are down.

Only sell out you have had all season is against us.

Celtic wont need to boycott Ibrox on March 25th , the game will probably be played behind closed doors , yous will not have the Policing fees , embarassing or what , how the mighty have fallen .

14 Feb 2012 16:29:29
the size of the brass neck thats on alasdair johnston trying to absolve himself murray and the old board from the blame
skyebear

14 Feb 2012 16:25:54
At the end of the day what has happened has happened ! People going to Ibrox to shout about it today or at the weekend can't or won't change a thing . What we need to do as supporters of this great club is to stand and do what we do best and that is to support the best team in the world .Remember who we are , remeber what we are ! We are Glasgow Rangers through the good and bad we will always follow the team which is so close to our hearts ......

We are the people always were and always will be .....

BlackwoodBear

@BlackwoodBear; you are not glasgow rangers,you are now not a great club and we all know what you are. bye,bye

And why I'm I not a Glasgow Rangers fan ?

BlackwoodBear

Because theres no such team as glasgow rangers,never was!

14 Feb 2012 16:16:53
There are going to be many job losses over this and I hope all you wooden tops on here gloating realise that. Not everyone working for Rangers in any capacity is a Rangers fan, it is for many just a job. This impacts on their families, husbands, wives and CHILDREN. I hope you all enjoy your gloating at the expense of those who will suffer longer term, be proud of yourselves, you are a credit to the team you say you support ! How many of you actually pay your money to watch the runners up ? Not too many of you. Be proud of youre gloating, it sums each and every one of you up. AGer63

AGer63; what a moronic post.of course we hope as many ordinary people dont lose their jobs,and they wont.only if liquidated will be that be an issue.

The only ones who are guilty are rangers fc, you should take your head out of the sand mate,celtic fans never created the problem....your club has.hope your proud of what your club has done/doing.

The only morons on here are you lot on to GLOAT, get a grip and get a life ! Of course this will have an imediate effect on people, you total Donkey !! AGer63

All caused by your own club,i pay my taxes,have done since i left school...why cant rangers?it really is that simple,your the donkey by the looks of it.

14 Feb 2012 16:10:32
C'mon Rangers! Let's win every game and finish two points ahead without our deduction. Obviously the deduction will mean we will lose the league but let's make it a hollow title for them.

WATP!

G95

14 Feb 2012 16:07:47
Some clueless celtic fans will be posting on here saying but before they do that id like to say WITHOUT RANGERS the spl is nothing , there will be minimal cash put forward fom SKY ESPN ETC to screen games , not as much revenue at smaller clubs like dunfermline when rangers go to their ground ? . So Really there is nothing to laugh and cheer about it . As Most players will not move to the spl as really most players come to scotland to play against the either sides of the old firm and TO PLAY IN AN OLD FIRM GAME !

Have i missed something or are you all really thick? its only admin.a two year stint out of the SPL thats it.

Yeah because thats were a team like RANGERS should be in the second division stfu seriously !!

14 Feb 2012 16:06:26
this was whytes plan all along only we were in the champions league...then out....15 points clear...4 down ...now 14....out of all cups.....all this equals mcoist is a person and has contributed to the demise......SIR david murray ...NOT!

14 Feb 2012 16:00:23
From what I understand when we go into admin the administrator will ring fence our main players so they can be sold in the transfer window as it's their job to get as much cash for the creditors as possible. We'll still have a team but it'll be all low earners. Here's who I reckon we'll sell or release and what we'll be left with.

(Approx fees)
Shagger - £5m, Davis - £4m, Edu - £1m, Wallace - £1.5m, Whittaker - £3m, Wylde - 600k, Lafferty - £1.5m, Naismith - £5m, Ortiz - 400k Mculloch - Release. This will raise £22m in fees and release a lot of wages. Think we'd also recall if possible players out on loan.

So I reckon we'd be left with a starting 11 (roughly) of

Alexander
Broadfoot Goian Bocanegra Papac
Aluko Hutton Mckay Wylde
Fleck Cousin

Remainder would be mainly youth players and our low earners like Bedoya, Healy Celik, Kerkar etc and youth team.

Only positives I can see is a big chunk of debt paid off, running costs brought down to a manageable level. Also I think with us being forced to play our younger players that short term obv they'll be inexperienced but in a year or 2s time we'll have a squad of young lads that have played in a tough environment and hopefully risen to the challenge. With less if any money to spend on transfers in future I hope we raise our own and buy if needed young raw scottish talent.

Very tough times ahead but right now survival comes first. All we can do right now is rally behind the team and show our numbers.

Rossco Cyprus Bear

Your selling prices are wildly optimistic

14 Feb 2012 15:57:30
Man city fan here. Just want to say really feel for you lads hope you come out of this bigger & better.
BLUE MOON.

Cheers mate - we will

Blue Moon - Aye and Criag Whyte's a Blue
@rse.

Blue Moon - cheers mate all the best to yourselves!
Iam Legend

14 Feb 2012 15:19:40
Ed what do you thinks gonna happen now mate ? Any chance HMRC will block a creditors agreement? PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - the administrators will come in and assess things, it will depends on their assessment which steps are taken.}

Right,ok,thanks - another thing ed... That's a good thing what you say because whyte chose our admins in phelps an co so they will do what's best for the club..? Is that right mate ? Sorry i no your busy...... PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - they will do what is best for the creditors and try to get them as much money as possible while enabling the company to continue.}

14 Feb 2012 15:55:08
"Our very success, gained you will agree by skill, will draw more people than ever to see it. And that will benefit many more clubs than Rangers. Let the others come after us. We welcome the chase. It is healthy for us. We will never hide from it. Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure, and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity. No matter the days of anxiety that come our way, we shall emerge stronger because of the trials to be overcome. That has been the philosophy of the Rangers since the days of the gallant pioneers."

Our very success, gained you will agree by skill (NO BY CHEATING WITH EBTs), will draw more people than ever to see it. And that will benefit many more clubs than Rangers (WON'T BENEFIT HEARTS & DUNDEE UTD IN THE £800K AND £100K YOU OWE THEM). Let the others come after us (THERE WILL BE PLENTY CREDITORS COMING AFTER YOU NOW). We welcome the chase (SORRY, YOU'LL BE CHASING CELTIC FOR YEARS). It is healthy for us. We will never hide from it (JUST WAIT TILL YOU FIND OUT THE LIES WHYTE HAS BEEN HIDING BETWEEN). Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure (NEVER A TRUER WORD SPOKEN), and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity (THINK I'D BE GOING MAD). No matter the days of anxiety that come our way, we shall emerge stronger because of the trials to be overcome (STRONGEST TEAM IN LEAGUE 3 - WELL POSIBLY). That has been the philosophy of the Rangers since the days of the gallant pioneers (WHO ARE NO MORE. WELCOME TO RANGERS 2012)

No not really you spent more on players than you could afford but enjoy your gallant adventure into administration. Loyal subjects not paying the Queens tax TUT TUT

14 Feb 2012 15:53:48
Sir David Murray I salute you Sir.
You have given me a great gift.
Thankyou for destroying Rangers.
The world seems a little better for their collapse.

14 Feb 2012 15:52:55
Sad sad day , see killie game might not go ahead due to police bills etc if this is the case will the match be postponed or forfeited ?

14 points lets claw some points back lets play with lots of passion and fight , no point in feeling sorry or crying come on let's stay together and fight

14 Feb 2012 15:47:04
Can I just remind Celtic fans that want Rangers to go bust, that Rangers are a business. Ignore football for a moment, Rangers employ people and there will be families out there tonight wondering if they will be losing their income.

GovanFR

@GovanFR;its only admin mate.all workers will be okay as the jobs need to be filled.liquidation would threaten ordinary peoples jobs and that would of course be awful for them..A Tim

So what?other people lose their jobs every day.its called life,and gers problems were caused by gers.no one else.artybhoy

14 Feb 2012 15:44:35
The players on big contracts wont leave just yet, the administrator may sell, but he certainly wont let, McGregor, naiysmith and Davis go on free (ie: rip up there contracts), not when they could get 2-3m each on them, its players who havent got high values that will be booted out as the administrator will see no sense in paying a player 4-5 or 6 grand a-week who hasn't got any sell on value anyway, so they will be the 1st out the door.

14 Feb 2012 15:43:19
lets just hope there's light at the end of this dark tunnel. lets hope the mighty rangers come out on top we are not ready to say our goodbyes watp SW

14 Feb 2012 15:33:29
Do you think this is our chance to get shot of edu?

Pity it's no a chance to get rid of you

He been our best player recently bar Aluko. Give him a break!

G95

We could loose all our players never mind edu

No chance.its only your ASSETS that will be sold.artybhoy

14 feb 2012 15:30:34
so there we have it rangers enter administration and it is now over to the administrator duff and phelps lets start with david murray sorry sir david murray you should as per fred the bank lose your knighthood for allowing this tax issue to ever get to this stage. no excuse what so ever and please lets not have silly people on here stating that we should have done something about it. it is not as simple as that,the ordinary person in the street had no real understanding of ebt and no matter which way you dress it up david murray is totally responsible for any tax debt prior to the take over by craig whyte.
now lets consider this guy who is going to rescue the club or as he says put us in administration to ensure a future. might be correst that he will secure a future god knows what type,but ask your self the question just who does this guy answer to? he comes in and quotes follow,firstly we are debt free,the debt due to the banks is now underwritten by one of his companies, then he tells us he has invested 33m of his own money in the club. he then follows on with the ticket sales money of 24m never mind the actual ticket sales he received for this season,followed by the savings in wages of the various players moved on in january,then of course the sale of nearly 6m for jelavic so in effect at this stage thats 63m?? in? since he took over and the running of the club is some 45m per year,just who is he trying to kid and of course by going into administration he also avoids holding an agm or disclosing exactly where the money is or should that be is not. it is time that this guy despite any other issues that might exist in bringing this sorry mess to a conclusion is totally investigated and made accountable. as indeed are all the other directors that made the choice to bury their head in the sand while all this was going on.

14 Feb 2012 15:17:30
no wonder HMRC decided to challenge the administration by rangers, david grier, the man who would oversee the administration walked through the front door with craigy boy on the first day of the takeover!

talk about having a plan eh?

i said months ago that HMRC would not allow ANY of whyte's 'plans' come to fruition, due to his record of tax scams and dodgy behaviour


taco

Taco - read your piece in your page. You just don't hate RFC you hate everything and everyone that is not CFC.
You're a Tim and you're on here trying to claim some fame of 'I said months ago'
You wrote -
'While the late Jim Farry was found out through the persistence of Fergus McCann, it was only very recently that the chickens came home to roost and the full extent of the problem in Scotland was beginning to become apparent beyond the parochial confines of Scotland. Referees were brought in from afar as the Scottish refs railed against being found out by one of their own members who told the truth. Scottish courts fell short of being able to confirm a sectarian assault on the manger of Celtic FC. Now, though, at last it seems, the national and international community has called a halt to the toxic debt and legacy of a favoured, tainted, organisation.
The obligatory deflection is also evident today in the quote attributed to Peter Lawell and presented as if it was a response to the Rangers statement on the same day. In reality, Lawell's words were uttered before the statement and as an accompaniment to the latest financial (relatively healthy as it happens) report from Celtic FC. However, it is yet another, albeit feeble, attempt to deflect and distort the reality of Rangers regardless of the impact on anyone else, such as, in this case, Celtic.'
taco -a failed reporter
You've set your stall out. You have a deep filled hatred that contributes to the problem in this country. You don't support a club, you support a cause.
RFC is national news news news and you can't handle it.
Iam Legend

14 Feb 2012 15:11:23
Craig Whyte is playing a blinder. For Craig Whyte. He's the only one who will come out of this with anything.

14 Feb 2012 15:01:14
On a footballing note, Lets go the rest of the season unbeaten, doing the tims over twice and deep down the tims will know we won the league again on merit and only a 10 point deduction won them it which is embarrassing, we a team built on a shoe string budget are been punished for something that has nothing to do with anyone at rangers anymore, and it's "in" the history books cost us the league, but by winning all our remaning games we will prove we are still the best in scotland and that will darken and mock there title gift!*ksd*

If you want to go that route, then what about the titles you won while the cheating was going on? lets all laugh at you then cause your history is darkened and we arent responsible for the punishment you got, we were going to win the league anyway just wait and see when the gap is far greater than 10 points come may! jelly and ice cream :)

If it's won by under ten points then I might agree with you Celtic have went on a great run and deserve to be top and I did not hear you complaining when you done nine in a row due to not paying ur taxes mr Murray was a legend then lol you are an embarrassment players paying for their own transfer owe money for new players all over the place have not even paid Dundee utd their share of your pathetic gate money an utter embarrassment watch ur high earners leave for free and loan signings cancelled

1. Celtic are streets ahead of you in footballing terms.
2. You might not survive till the end of the season.
3. Strrathclyde Police have already said that they will not allow you to play if you dont pay them.
4. The administrator will lay of alot of playing staff leaving you even more stretched.
But yeah lets see you win every game until the end of the season and see off big bad leagally and sensible run Celtic. Cheats.

You do know that the first thing the administrators will do is release players with no resale value. As Aluko has been the best player over the last few weeks losing him would be a huge blow on the playing side.

Shoe string ? r u daft rangers have spent 2 million less than celtic over the last 5 years ! all this s**t about a skint team is all smoke and mirrors. Ur team has been living beyond their means for years tryin to buy sucess in europe ! no sympathy as it is all self inflicted !

Team on a shoestring! what a tool.add up the prices

Arrogant to the end,you are all happy not to pay tax, no tax no schools, no hospitals,why the feck rangers 1st country 2nd its yourselves murray and whyte are cheating

14 Feb 2012 14:52:39
what are yous gonna do with this rumours website when you no longer exist? probably just make up sh*t on the celtic one cause there will be nothing else to keep you occupied :) jelly and ice cream for all!!

Get real no Tag! We champions don't watch or care about your mob, it won't come to that, if it did well I like most rangers fans would never watch scottish football again, I would simply wait till we rose again whilst watching the EPL!

Kinda like your doing now.
BR

NO ya DONK what are YOU gonnae do WITHOUT IT ? Away and worry how this is going to impact on yer squad of 40 average players long term !!! Still 12 games left for your team of world famous BOTTLERS TO BOTTLE IT AGAIN !! AGer63

Cranky bears today ha

14 Feb 2012 14:39:04
this guy whyte is a wee fly man ...i could have done what hes done.....strip murrys knighthood now

Craig whyte c.s.c

14 Feb 2012 14:28:38
Strange that Mr lawwell thinks they dont need Rangers,think about it,unrivalled success,and he wont have to spend a penny,will the Celtic fans enjoy that,not exactly preparing for an assault on Europe,just domestic supremacy ,in a week league,be as well joining the junior league and play,

I'd rather be in celtics position than ours.

Why? dont you think you will win promotion from div 3? two years away will do you good

3 years away would suit you BOTTLERS better !! but it won't happen and we'll still be here for you losers to hate more than you love your own team of 40 losers !!..........webuyanyplayer.com will go into administration too............DONK

14 Feb 2012 14:18:37
Any chance of a PPI claim from all loans we have had?

14 Feb 2012 13:59:57
3.30 Today is put up or shut up. Tue 14th Feb 2012 is our JFK day.

14 Feb 2012 13:52:00
If the worst happens and we go to the wall. We will reform under a new name. We will all know that it is still Rangers under another name. We will still Follow on. we will still be the people. We will still have our proud History. Everyone in the football world will still know that although it might not say so on the label, it will still be rangers inside the Tin. If this were to happen, why not print 1m T-Shirts with a Tin on front with the New Name and on the back an open tin where the contents are every honour that our beloved club have won. Every True Blue would want one and if we were willing to pay £25 to buy one, how much money could it generate to get us off and running while reminding everyone who we really are.

Point 1.If we are under a new name then the history stays with the old Rangers and we would be starting afresh.

Point 2. If we print 1million tee shirts at £25 a pop by my estimations that would be £25m.

I worked this out by the fact that I once slept with Carol Vorderman!!

The Pilot!

Explain how you would still have your history if you cease to exist?

A New Rangers would have no history, we might remember the old history but that's what it would be, old history. No records, no trophies, maybe no stadium, maybe no players of note.

Point 1 - I know the history would stay with the old club, but the T-Shirts would let everyone know who the New club really are.
Point 2 - You said you once slept with Carol Vorderman. Hard lines mate. I slept with her twice.

Its gonna be stuffed in a tin or something i think!

ALL history is OLD !!............

14 Feb 2012 13:45:34
Does anyone else get the jelly and ice-cream talk? I keep getting texts about jelly and ice-cream from ma Tim mates.

I don't get it LMAO........

TTG

Not sure either.... You have jelly an ice cream at party's.... Title party? Just a guess whatever it is it's f&cking stupid. PaulRFC

Whats even funnier is you dont know what its about! gotta go my jelly just set

You have jelly and ice cream at kids parties, they are showing how CHILDISH they are........... The gloating will come back and haunt them, and I''l have my jelly and ice cream ready for that wee party !

14 Feb 2012 13:25:46
As it stands we have still not lost the tax case yet. I know im grasping at straws but who knows.Right now losing 10 points and Celtic winning the league is not an issue.Whats important is that we survive. Rangers go into administration today.iF .

14 Feb 2012 12:51:41
Hi Ed. Will Rangers be in an even bigger mess if the court of session accept HMRC's application to put us into Admin? If they send in their own Administrators they will only work in a way that is in the best interests of HMRC and the tax payer...not Rangers. Will we see Rangers stripped to the bare bones if nobody comes in to take us out of Admin?

TTG {Ed001's Note - it will make little difference to the club itself. Either way the club will be stripped to pay off the debts.}

14 Feb 2012 12:54:26
Iam not a season ticket holder but I live and breathe Rangers, always have always will. Ido not have a lot of money but I would gladly drive the 40 miles to IBrox to give £100 which by the way I can't afford just to help the cause. Iam sure every true Gers fan would do the same .

Aren't there more important things to save money you can't afford for? Perspective is always good.

I certainly would and I aint exactly rolling in it. How do you get as many Gers fans as possible to raise the cash though?

TTG

Am loaded and i wouldnt

14 Feb 2012 12:24:19
Whyte is seeking to blame Murray for the financial problems at Ibrox, and indeed it is correct that the old regime were resposnible for engaging in this financially ruinous policy.

But Whyte is not blameless. He did his due diligence over many months and knew what he was taking on. Having known what the issues were, he should have only bought Rangers if he was capable of resolving them.

What about all the lies from him Debt free £25 million kitty £5million per year on players etc.

Ian(For every £1 Celtic spend Rangers will pay 10p to their creditors)

Think you will find out this was Whytes plan from day one.

Ian(for every £1 Dermott Demond gives you to spend....)
What about all the lies from him...?
You've got the experience of a dodgy board. Hats off to them the perfect crime.
Iam Legend

@Ian... How many times are you gonna post that " joke "... Do you like repeating yourself over an over an over... No ones found it funny.. But you keep trying ok Billy no mates! PaulRFC

14 Feb 2012 12:13:55
should the worst ever happen and there is no more rangers.i will be buying a ticket to chelsea ,lets see how much the gloaters love it if we take our money out of the league

Larhall juniors for me m8.

Well said brother.

Shettleston Juniors for me.....

TTG

Caley moved from the highland league about 15 year ago an merged wi thistle to join the SFL, so I'm f@cked for a local team. PaulRFC

Glasgow warriors for me can't watch another football team I'm afraid.

To the guy who wants to go and follow Chelsea. Why should Scottish football care if Rangers go bust, if that is your attitude to Scottish football if Rangers go bust.

PaulRFC, you can join me down at the Clach games.

Duccablue

Renfrew juniours for me :)

Ha maybe I will join ya duccablue I used to go to some games down the old grant street wi ma pal Evan ! Been a while though! PaulRFC

14 Feb 2012 12:08:28
The talk of us going into the english confrence aint a joke, Its a real possibility, And real food for thought for craig white, should admin come about, somebody said earlier... Why go into scottish division 3 when we cud go into the english lowers, And lets be honest.. League 2 looks like its got more money than spl, we wud be there in no time, anyway a point i would like to make is that we all want to see great players put on that blue shirt again dont we? Gazza, laudrup, deboer, gio, our magnificent 50000 loyals deserve it! And maybe in 6 years if this thought does come to plan, we just might see such greatness grace ibrox once more, ps because it wont happen ever again so long as were in the spl.

14 Feb 2012 12:09:27
The forces of Her Majesty apply to place Rangers into administration.

Well done Agent Lizzie and Agent Sir David.

God save the Queen indeed.

14 Feb 2012 11:59:57
HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) is set to ask the Court of Session to put Rangers Football Club into administration.

The legal move counters the club's bid on Monday to file for protection against its creditors.

The papers served on behalf of Rangers directors would give the club 10 days to resolve its differences with HMRC.

However, the response from HMRC suggests it is seeking to take charge of events. The court hearing is set to take place on Tuesday morning.

14 Feb 2012 11:49:19
why is alistair johnston constantly doing interviews to slag off rangers situation? this must mean he's in britian now? something he refused to do when he was the CHAIRMAN of the club!! the man is a rat, him and his pals murray and bain are doing whatever they can to tarnish the name of this club when they were heavily involved in it! thy are the ones making us a laughing stock with there stories they are delivering to the newspapers!

p.s/ wits with all the plastic celtic fans on here mouthing off? them and there chairman should go and get there self a wee bit of dignity! 54!

Mr whyte doesnt need bain and johnston to make the club a laughing stock,hes already shown hes more than capable of that himself tbh.

So if Celtic were in this situation you wouldn't be rubbing their fans' noses in it?

All us celtic fans are here to annoy people like you. wonder if its working..............

14 Feb 2012 11:28:17
put ssn on now :(

14 Feb 2012 10:58:10
Let's set one thing clear here. Despite what the papers would have us all believe, your imminent 10 point deduction is not handing the title to Celtic. Celtic are top of the league, 4 points clear and in pole position for the title before any deduction. When we win the league it will be down to the fight the bhoys have shown the past few month to come back from a horrible start n nothing else.

Mikey Bhoy

Totally disagree, there is 2 old firm games still to be played which either teams can win. There is only a 4pt gap and your mob turned round a far bigger margin so surely losing 10pts would be handing the league to you's by defunct....

Unless rangers win both old firm games? mark

Aye right,saves you from bottling it this year,as you do every year.get lost,dont justify a title by default

You lot try to justify 54 titles by default so dont get started down that road.

Ian(For every £1 Celtic spend Rangers will pay 10p to their creditors.)

Ian(for every £1 Dermott Demond gives you to spend ....) and Mickey Bhoy.
Season 2011/2012 will be remembered for one thing only RFC going into admin, 10 point deduction hands city rivals spl cshp.
Look and listen, national TV and radio stations have it in their headlines, updates as well.
Do you honestly think this season will be remembered because smeltic had a 4 point lead if and when RFC went into admin? That lead did not do you any good the last three seasons.
Iam Legend.

Erm there's more than 2 games left to play, I would be very suprised if you managed to win the ten points back that you are going to lose never mind win the old firm games! I realise you lot are goin through a really tough time and are just clutching at straws for a little bit of comfort, it's sad really....hilarious, but sad

Mikey Bhoy

I'll remember it as the season Neil Lennon won the treble while rangers died

Mikey Bhoy

14 Feb 2012 11:11:34
After reading what Whyte has had to say I wonder if this is the plan. Only a theory so would really like to know what everybody thinks. We have won the tax case and to try to stop HMRC appealing and therefore prolonging the uncertainty. Whyte threatens to go into administration and tries to do a deal for about £10M. HMRC accepts rather than appealing and we can move on without uncertainty and points deduction. As I previously said only a theory but it could be why Whyte has said there is a slim chance of us not going into administration.

Its a stupid theory.rangers were refused in jan'11 of trying to settle for 11m.HMRC have now applied to appoint their own administrator.it now looks liquidation

14 Feb 2012 10:26:19
A couple of things about Craig Whyte’s statement that bother me:

1. The statement came three hours after the press had broke the story. He should have made the statement prior to submitting the intent letter. This was an unprofessional way of doing things. Probably the least of our worries – but it did make it look like it was an after thought.

2. All of a sudden the tax bill has gone up from £49million to £79million. He has consistently said in the press it was up to £49million, yet now on the day he announces our intent to go into administration it suddenly becomes £79million. This strikes me as marketing by Whyte – i.e. either he is making things look even worse than they are to lessen the blow of administration, or he has been lying all along about the full extent of the tax problems.

3. He is openly trying to use this intent to go into administration to try and negotiate a deal with HMRC. It seems unlikely HMRC will deal now having taken things this far – and supposedly even if we win they will appeal meaning this would be hanging over us. Whyte seems to think that by going into administration the tax problems disappear – as Dundee did in the past where they paid so many pence in the pound. However, the result has not been announced yet, so it seems a risky strategy. If we knew we had lost the case maybe people would accept this measure more readily, but no body really knows how it is going to go. Unless he does and is not telling us. There is also the possibility we have won the case from what he is saying and he is taking us into administration to avoid the prospect of an HMRC appeal (which they indicated they would if the case went in our favour) and have this hanging over us for years to come. I am unclear of the logistics of the latter scenario – but it seems unlikely we won the case anyway.

4. The timing of this. Aside from the tax result supposedly not being known, I do not understand why it has occurred now. If it was always his intention to go into administration – why not do it earlier in the season. We now have only a month to get out of administration or we wont be allowed to play in Europe next year.

5. Whyte is taking a lot of abuse for going down this route – largely down to his failure to explain his approach to everyone, lies that he has continuously told and promises that he has broken. I do think Murray and the previous board are not getting enough stick for the mess they have left us in. That said, I think Whyte has not been honest or transparent since taking the helm, and I am still none the wiser of his ultimate intentions. Everything is speculation – and I do not see why it has to be this way. This has been handled very poorly.

6. Murray has a buy back option on Rangers. I would not be at all surprised if Whyte puts us in administration, gets the debt clear, then sells back to Murray a debt free club. Is Whyte just here to take the abuse from the fans, then Murray comes back in as the “saviour” despite the fact he caused the whole bloody mess in the first place? Would not be entirely happy with this scenario – but if we were a debt free stronger club I would gladly accept it right now. Ethically there is a bit of a question mark over the whole thing though.

Anyway lets hope we come out the other side stronger. I miss the days of just letting the back room staff get on with the business side of things and only needing to be concerned with what happens on the pitch as a fan. This has dragged on long enough, and if he can actually sort us out by the close of March then bravo Mr Whyte, I am sorry I ever doubted you. Something tells me this isn’t the final twist in the tale though.

I hope that there is a full house on Saturday. Never been more important.

The murray scenario is nonsense.MIH are being run by lloyds bank and have been under the financial cosh for three years.HMRC refused an 11m settlement offer in jan'11 and have made it clear they will be digging their heels in on this one.mr whytes past shady dealings in all things financial will be the crux of all pence in the pound deals,would you trust this guy?

14 Feb 2012 09:57:58
Don't know what's going to happen but either Whyte is playing a blinder or we are going to get caught playing games and go down the tubes.

Either way someone needs to be stepping up to the plate, I suggest the supporter's trust as they seem to be doing nothing, and open some sort of trust account for the fans to "donate" to. If we can raise a substantial amount then we may be in a position to either,
1. Help the club if it is going to fold by gifting the club the money
or
2. Force Whyte to sell some shares if we come out the other side in better shape and use the money to reinvest in the club.

Before anyone starts to say that Whyte will not sell his shares then maybe they should look at his statement saying that we require "substantial" financial help. Well, we will give it but we want something to show for our money.

The share issue is another point which Murray tried but he did not offer that to everyone, only seemed to be touted around his rich cronies, which is what clearly needs to be done going by the amount of fans who are saying that they are willing to put in some cash no matter how small.

My estimations are that Whyte paid £19m for 85% of shares so the club should be valued around £27-£28m mark. If the club comes through administration then if we have £8m we can offer this to Whyte to take 34% of his shares which leaves him with a 51% stake, and still owner of the club, which he has paid £11m for. If the supporter's trust has anything above £8m we can then use the further funds to invest in the club, or buy more shares, and try to get us back to where we were without carrying the burden of a massive debt.

Raising the supporter's money will be hard but if we can get 100,000 people giving an average of £100 then this will raise £10m and as Rangers have stated we have somewhere around a 5million fans base of which many will be able to give more than £100, but obviously some will not be in a position to give anything.

I know it seems long winded but the longer we all sit back and say "we need to put money in" the more chance we have of losing the club we love. If a trust fund gets organised just now then we will have money sitting there but it will not be part of the club and therefore cannot be taken by any of the creditors and when we are in a better position then we can use this money to help the club and give the fans a bigger say in the running of the club.

Don't know if many will agree or not but something needs to be done.
The Pilot!

The mans a crook,simples!!

Finance watchdogs have banned a stockbroking firm in which Rangers owner Craig Whyte is a key player from trading after they were caught dipping into their clients' money. (Daily Record)

Hmmm your shares cannot be traded on the plus exchange and the last time the club asked the supporters for cash David Murray had to step in.

I agree with the idea in principle.
A body has to be formed to control the funds, constitution, clear aims and a committee to run it. Certainly a committee made up of finance people, legal eagles, business people and the ordinary fan.
Some group/individual has to take the lead at the moment to get it underway and then the group/body can evolve depending on the progress of the admin.
I would hope the new group would be clear of any internal political agendas and have the best interest of the club at heart.
But I do think that one organisation should be formed and whether that is as a result of merging similiar minded groups then so be it.
To have a number of groups with the same aim would work against the overall aim.
With the use of the internet then word could be spread relatively easily.
Good post
Iam Legend

5 million fan base! dont be ridiculous.when hugh adam left in '02 he stated that rangers where headed for bankruptcy.he was laughed out of ibrox by murray and his tame pressmen. adam also stated that he had the remit of tapping into rangers world wide fanbase,he stated that they had discovered a maximum of around 200k who would call themselves fans.this would obviously not be the amount who could invest(kids,older people and financially unable) in rangers,he then stated that rangers were a west of scotland club with no real monies to be raised overseas. back check the article and stop this worldwide nonsense.

If Whyte is a crook then even more so for the fans to raise the funds to buy back the shares. If he is owed £19m then we need to raise this, strike a deal with the creditors and try and keep the club afloat.

We could even try to squeeze him a bit if we actually do win the tax case as he stated that he would clear the £19m debt if we won(very much doubt this will happen as he is not going to walk away£19m down) so by him trying to strike a deal is this his way out of this?

Also, Whyte will not have access to these funds as it will be the supporter's trust who will be holding the money not Whyte or Rangers.

At the end of the day we cannot stand by and let things unravel in front of our eyes, if we have the trust fund in place then we have many options available once the situation becomes clearer.

The Pilot! {Ed001's Note - the thing with administration is that it makes it easier for the fans to buy the club. You would be dealing with the administrators directly.}

I wouldn't trust anyone from the supporters trust with £1 for the ice cream van let alone £19 million.

14 Feb 2012 09:42:21
No one ,including Whyte, really knows for sure how this is going to play out. Are HMRC going to make an example of us before taking on the English clubs? Is Whyte going to get a reduced deal on our debts and run us as a going concern? Or will be be bought after admin by a new group? We will have to wait and see... one thing I can say for sure is, we need to get behind the team and drive them on to the best point total we can achieve. If we are deducted 10 points but lose the league by less, they will know deep down it is a hollow victory...
BB

Whyte has known all along what is going to happen. Administraton couple of bad years with very small team until you come out of administration and then sell for a big profit. Total expense to Whyte £1.


Ian (for every £1 Celtic spend Rangers will pay 10p to creditors)

So are all those titles you won whilst the tax dodging was going on hollow victories too?

If the title is in the bag I'd see Celtic easing up and giving youth a chance.

14 Feb 2012 09:05:03
Show me the money whyte, your socalled £33 mil, £24.4plus another£6mil ticketus £5.5 jelavic, the last 2 seasons football strips sales and merchandise sales this seasons ticket sales programme sales £3.50 a go, the rangers news every week£3.50, kiosk sales sponsor money the list goes on show us the monnnnneyyyyy ya crook.

Finance watchdogs have banned a stockbroking firm in which Rangers owner Craig Whyte is a key player from trading after they were caught dipping into their clients' money. (Daily Record)

14 Feb 2012 08:54:10
The Met Office has issued a severe weather warning for Glasgow and West of Scotland tonight, in particular the Ibrox area of Govan were lows of -10 are expected possibly dipping to -14

Miko x

Well you have made a mug of youself there haven't you. We are not even in administration yet. so you have shot your bolt a bit early there Miko.

Would be better waiting til we ARE actually in administration

Who is the mug now m8 check the news , fab1

14 Feb 2012 07:59:13
Is everyone posting on here living in a fantasy world honestly? right so....if Whyte didnt buy the club where would be be? tell me.....we would have been sunk last year, David Murray wanted out full stop , this is HIS mess NOT C Whyte, he is not stupid he is not going to come in and invest millions of pounds when he could potentially lose it all after the tax case, simple business sense, if those fickle fans did not read his statement properly yesterday i'll reitirate it to you in a way you understand, EVEN if we win the tax case because hmrc will aappeal this would be hanging over rangers for years with the potential reality of a winding up order which means no investment would be made in the club, admministration only means we can arrange a deal with any secure creditor to settle all of our debts in a period of time that allowes the club to not become insolvent, its not the end of the world, just means we have a couple of tough years ahead probably not competing in europe or winning the league, and having a below average playing squad, but this going to be very worth it in the long run, as it means eventually rangers will be totally debt free and running the club within thier income, which would provide a platform for more investment in the club and the playing squad, yes it was not good news to see it and probably a shock when the word 'administration' flies about but this has been coming for a decade fellow fans .... its not big news to be honest, we are not going bust, just simple starting a healing process which we badly badly need, gordon chisolm made a good point aswell, this is slight sigh of relief for us, coz now at least we can move forward and get ourselves sorted, i mean we all know...we are a bigger more successful club than celtic, and they will play off our situation and have there league title....but let them we will come back stronger and they will be they way they always have been! Totally worth it.

Keep dreaming mate.HMRC will have you in admin for years as theres no deal gonna be done.

14 Feb 2012 05:57:09
I have one thing to say to my fellow Rangers brothers and sisters, no way should whyte be allowed to buy the club back for 20p in the £ or whatever the amount is. Its time that we take control of the club for ourselves, the fans should be allowed 51% of the shares and have a majority say in what happens in the our great record breaking club. I hope that you agree with me as its the best way forward for the club, we wouldn't make the same mistakes that have been made in the past.LONG LIVE GLASGOW RANGERS!!

Again......no such thing as GLASGOW rangers

14 Feb 2012 03:12:44
What a complete and utter load of erse u silly boys are spouting. Gonna come back from 14 points back, gonna get bought out by Graeme souness, gonna give hmrc 10p in the pound.... I ask you what bloody drugs are.you on. Fact 1 you owe millions and hmrc won't negotiate. Fact 2 you blew a 9 point lead when Celtic were playing crap. Fact 3 nobody will invest in your shameful excuse for a football club. Fact 4 Scotland doesn't want or need you. Bye bye rangers bye bye. MMI2009

14 Feb 2012 01:40:28
Craig knows what he is doing hold your nerve and have faith, Never known a panel on scotland tonight to be so relaxed about a situation like this

Hi craigy boy,I dont think they beleive you any more ,still as long as you make money eh? Its a shame about all the smalll buisness you will put out of the box but as I say you will walk away with cash in your pocket

It's a dark day for the club, I feel that there was no other route to go down. Craig Whyte is doing his impersonation of Noel Edmonds, Deal or no Deal - He is trying to force the hand of the taxman, That is worrying ... but what else can he do?
HMRC has stated that they will keep appealing if Rangers Win and keep the club in uncertainty, even if it takes 25 years, they will keep coming for us. We cannot prosper under those conditions.
HMRC need a win in this case, then they can go after the bigger fish, it is reported that at least another 30 clubs have used the EBT in the exact same way Rangers have - I cannot see them backing down,
Interesting that Portsmouth have called in the administrators to protect them from the Taxman. How does that work ED, I take it that there can be no Wind UP order whilst under the protection of administration ? {Ed001's Note - any winding up order would have to go through the courts, and would have to be agreed to by the court that appoints the administrators. That usually means it would fail, as the idea behind administration is to rescue the company as an ongoing concern, so courts that send administrators in are usually still hoping that the company can be saved. Otherwise why agree to administration?}

14 Feb 2012 00:57:15
Ed we've heard what toolbox spiers has had to say an the others so can I ask if your opinion on us p!ssing HMRC of to a point of them burying us is the same.. as in that probably won't happen.. Apparently herald mans "heard this or heard that" hardball he says. PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - you don't play hardball with HMRC, you can't beat them, they operate under totally different rules from the rest of us. But, you can work with them and come to an understanding, though, in my opinion, what is happening right now is not related to HMRC at all. This is about the club operating at a loss and Whyte simply not having European income to help cover the shortfall. The money just isn't there to operate as a self financing company at this moment in time. More costs need to be cut, admin is looking to be the only way to do that.}

Oh ok... Yeah sorry I meant HMRC would play hardball with us.. ie telling us to ram any deal especially at 8-10pence in the pound like Dundee got because of HMRC been shafted for years by English clubs... Spears seems to think he's "heard" we ARE going to made an example of. PaulRFC

Spot on ed

14 Feb 2012 00:29:29
Why is every post so full of crap?Rangers are finished and to follow celtic are seriously going to also have to downsize much less sectarianism
little or no bigotry scotland will be a
banana republic if we get independance
but it will also be a paradise.