Rangers Banter Archive August 14 2013

14 Aug 2013 23:39:07
I am sick of reading fans should do this or fans should that. A total waste of breath. Green and his mob seen an oppotunity and grabbed it with both hands, while the 'supposed Rangers men' played at taking over the club. Green etc. have ripped the arse out of us and the only thing that will remove them is hard cash. If nobody wants to put up then expect the worst. The guy is a mercenary and worst still so is Ally etc. He doesn't do walking away because he is laughing all the way to the bank.
billyb

Well said billyb at last one of you is telling it like it is, why don't you, bay bear and govan bear put yourselve's forward for the decent fan's and see what support you can drum up to get rid of these people, Ally included.
Tam

Ally is sitting with 1000000 shares that he got for 1p

Remember it was given to him to endorse Charlies season ticket sales campaign last year - Charlie had only sold a few hundred SBs until Ally gave him his "full support"

Within a week we had 30,000

Exchange Rate

1,000,000 x 1p = 30 pieces of silver

@1 did you not read the OP, the only thing that will get rid of green and co is hard cash, that's what they came for and that is what they need to get to leave, fans can make their feelings known by all means but some of the main shareholders need to get involved in the running of the club and especially the finances

as the OP says, others made half hearted attempts to buy the assets of the club when they were up for grabs, when push came to shove no other serious bids were on the table, we ended up with a group of businessmen with no connection whatsoever to rangers who saw a chance to invest and make money, unfortunately for us that's what businessmen do

Green invested approx 800k (15% of 5. 5M, what it cost RFCL to buy the assets) now he has shares worth 2.1m, he also took wages and bonuses, will this be enough for him and others, that is the question.

Remember mcCann walked away from celtic with 31M profit, we may be seeing a repeat of that when we add up how much green's consortium
are making

JG

@3 there's no way green will ever get anywer near 31mill he will be lucky to get 10 for his share

@JG/ Are you kidding? Green and his backers hold all the aces. Rangers could and probably will be a cash cow for years to them. Even if he goes in this farcical boardroom war Mather will make sure he is calling the shots. Ibrox and Murray Park will be sold on a lease back deal and you can bet Green will have a finger in the pie that rents it. These guys have Rangers tied up in a tight bow. One question for you. Do you think administration will happen?

Ally has no choice but to back the owners as all you would in your job or you would lose it or put yourself in a position. He has had his hands tied from day 1. The big so called lead he blew although that lot had 2 games in hand was unfortunate but look at the circumstances. Naismith who was by far the outstanding performer in the spl got ruled out for the season and Jelavic was sold. Both them were not replaced. Administration then rocked the club to it's foundations. Now I'm no saying he is the most tactically astute manager we have ever had but he deserves a fair crack of the whip. Last season with the season opener only a few days away he hardly had a team with no pre season, he still went on to win the league with more goals scored and less conceded than any other team. The players brought in to him on the short period he had were handed over inflated salaries again that's not his fault. I never thought Ally should have been given the job in the first place, you don't cut your teeth in mangement at a club like Rangers but I would rather have him in the short term until the board can be sorted out. To many forget what Ally done as a player for our club! He then came back and turned his back on TV and media where he was making a few bob to help WS sort out the PLG mess. I cannot believe some of the posts I read about our greatest ever goalscorer. Some of them must be from that lot posing as Rangers fans. He has the best interests of that club at heart and has more love for the club and has DONE more for the club than the current board and majority of fans who don't buy season tickets or follow the team.

2. Here's what Ally told his friends at the Daily Record at the time.

"I have personally invested in the club, " said McCoist. "I think the best way to put it is that I have bought shares in the club as a fan, I haven't bought them specifically as the manager. "

Charles Green would be proud of the bratveck Ally had to come out with that one.

15 Aug 2013 10:07:26
@2 Great post. How refreshing to see someone see right through that lying traitor.

McCann left Celtic with a nice profit in his bunnet. He also left Celtic in safe hands and with a healthy balance sheet. Will Green do the same at Rangers? We know the answer. don't we?

JG whyte as major debenture holder chose who could buy, and d&p stopped all others.

its on tape with d&P and whyte and green - about how whyte held decision as his "debentures" were not worthless after admin/liquidation

he held the keys to ibrox. and would only pass them on if he got paid for them, before other creditors.

@7 means ally put in 70p for 1,000,000 shares. which is £700,000 more invested, ie he paying for own salary this year.

just means more money into rangers this year, the spend is past £30m

@6 typical post from someone whose mouth works before the brain does. The big lead we had over Celtic had already been blown before Jelavic was sold and there was only 1 person to blame for Naismith's injury and that was himself for a stupid challenge. Injuries happen to all teams and they all have to get on with it. The standard of football under Ally has been shocking and the 8 cup exits a total embarrassment. Think you will also find the Celtic fans want him to stay as they haven't laughed as much at such a poor Rangers manager. A lot of Rangers fans can see he isn't the man for the job and want him replaced. Open your eyes look at the results against part time teams and maybe then u might see he is inept as manager

11. Ally didn't buy a single share 'as a fan', fans paid if I remember correctly 74 pence per share, Ally paid 73 pence less per share.

Why was he given that option as it's unusual for managers to be offered that kind of deal?

Purely to help Charles Green sell season tickets. Well done Ally for strengthening Green's position.

Don't know why I bother complaining as Ally's buddies in the media will ensure that no matter what happens, Ally come come out of this smelling of roses.

@6, I have to agree with 12. I'm not a fans of the Ibrox club and I've been having a right good laugh for the last few years. I would love for Ally to get the 25 year contract he was promised.
You've spouted the turmoil of administration and no pre-season; do you have an excuse prepared for this season?
Al

@12

The standard under was shocking? Yet he had a substantial lead!

I think your the one that needs to do some thinking son! The fact is your not fit to lace Ally's boots. You focus on your own manager who has to be the worst advert for Scottish football for some time. Where Ally is far from perfect, he has promoted us to the second and will do so again this term. He only got 1 of the 15 players he was promised in his first season. So far the signings this term have been particularly impressive considering they were free.

No-one has had to endure the upheaval like Ally. Not until we are back on level ground, with board who have Rangers at heart and we are in the top flight can he be judged fairly.

The people who seem to think Ally is the cause for all our woes are nothing but simple narrow minded fools, without any concept of what is really happening here.

RTID
GDog

@6 lennons learning being a manager at celtic ally was an assistant for more than four years also Walter left him in charge of cups games so he's had more than enough time to know how things go

@12 Naismith and Jelavic were not replaced and that is a lot of goals lost, take any teams top 2 goal scorers out for half a season and they would struggle. He can only play with what he was dealt with. NL isn't the greatest manager either and he hasn't been tested but has been backed by his board. Your the 1 that needs to think before writing nonsense down. Who would take the job and if he had been removed he would have probably had the same players available to him as Ally. I never said he was the greatest manager if you read my post properly but judge him from September onwards when he can field the players he has brought in.

@17 what's his excuse for the malmo game then? He had naismith and jelavic available then.

@ 15) No, the worst advert for Scottish football ever was El Hadji Diouf. Can you remind me which club he played for again?
Neil Lennon is not everyone's cup of tea but he's a winner with passion for his club who can do more than just SAY how much he loves it. Can Sally say the same? Let me think, err, NO!

He has signed players of a much higher standard, than is needed to win a lower league, just how can we judge him on that? Why do you stand up for him so mutch?, he did'nt just blow a big lead in the league, he also was in charge when you got put out of europe by teams rangers should beat, (i am not a rangers supporter, by the way, but I thought superally was a great goalscorer), and getting put out of europe was probly more important in rangers demise.

As the op, I think the point is being missed by petty point scoring. We are being shafted by a group that have stitched up the whole scenario. I repeat, those with the cash and the interest in making us the Rangers we love, waken up up or the con men will have won. My personal hate for what he done is murray. Sir my a**e, shame on you.
billyb

14 Aug 2013 17:45:09
ed quite concerned that Bishop Associates are also used by Newcastle Utd and another link to Mike Ashley also hearing Green has raised more shares to sell to investors to strengthen his position

14 Aug 2013 07:55:12
Is it just me or does it seem that when after all the smoke and mirrors are gone well b back to square 1 financially again?. No matter what Stockbridge, Green etc. say. At the end of the day 'who are they?' and 'where did they come
from?' And more importantly. 'What are their motives?'. It seems clear to me now that Green intended to raise money through a share issue and then milk as much of that as possible with inflated salaries, bonuses and fees. His next move will be to sell the club to the highest bidder once there is no loot left. He is not here for nostalgia nor a love for the club. It also seems pretty clear now that the guy was initially involved with the Craig Whyte scenario which tells me that he's either daft or has a seriously large pair of bxxxxks. As Alan Brasil was saying on the radio, "The guy needs to remember that this is Glasgow".

@op true mate but going by what is says about this laxey mob they're on green side and pretty much means we are well and truly screwed a don't even think there will be an egm laxey specialise in starting fights for change so they get more money if this is going their way then by the sounds of it we we will probably renting ibrox and Murray park

Lets justwait and see but we the ans must remember without us there is no club we can hold the answer see how things go this season if not happy don't buy season books next season buy game to game we must sand together

Yes op that's exactly what's happening, a get quick rich scheme. think we are basically renting ibrox and murray park already!

It was in the IPO "The Rangers have Exclusive use of the facilties at Ibrox and Murray Park"

Spot on my good man! It looks like it will have to be some type of boycott and or protest to get change this mob are desperate to hang on to try and hide the vast sums that have gone "missing" by staying in power same old same old

It's about time the fans stood up to this disgraceful situation and demanded change and get rid of these shysters who will bleed this club dry and then get a hefty payoff and probably more shares

Even Kieran prior couldn't make this up and he is supposed to be in the top most intelligent people in the world? Why does he endorse these people who have done nothing but shaft the fans and other ordinary shareholders. We need to find out what this guys movies are?

Ed i'm quite worried about stranraer game on saturday they are very hard to beat at home hope ally has done his homework on them {The Ed039's Note - OK)

To poster #5. I know most of Richard Priors movies but not Keirans.

@4 how many fn times, it stated in the IPO that the stadium was one of the assets of RFCL which would become part of RIFC as the terms of the share transfer agreement

JG

@8/ Does it not say in the IPO Rangers have 'the use' of Ibrox and Murray Park?In all legal documents the words used are all important.

@8 FFS please read the document

it clearly states RFCL owns the stadium and that it will be transferred to RIFC under the agreement

murray park is not so clear it only says the club benefits from the training ground, so we probably do not and never have owned murray park

JG