Rangers Banter Archive September 13 2016

 

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13 Sep 2016 21:58:36
So Celtic pump us 5-1 and then suffer a record European defeat!

Says a great deal for us and the state of Scottish football I think.



13 Sep 2016 22:15:35
Shows just how poor we were on Saturday. I reckon City will put 5 past them at the Etihad, Celtic might get a couple of corners. At the end of the the day, those spawny hoors are there and will make good money for getting horsed. It won't do much for the co-efficient though. Maybe they will not be so arrogant now. aye right. All good fun.



13 Sep 2016 22:20:09
no it says they were lucky to beat us 5-1 because they're bang average and we had bad day at the office.



13 Sep 2016 22:23:07
it was a european record defeat in their history but it was not a champions league record score. It makes me think what the hell barcelona would have done to us if it was us playing them. it would have been 14 or 15 quite possibly. although they may have rested messi neymar and suarez and still scored double digits. scottish football is a mess from top to bottom. and even when celtic play at home Barcelona and city will beat them comfortably and i believe the german team will beat them both ties to. there is to many teams in scottish football for a country of our size and a major major re-think needs to be done this is said every year but it never happens. we are a laughing stock domestically in european football and even the national team are as well.



13 Sep 2016 22:59:50
Totally different gravy lads, couldn't get near them, not embarrassed tbh, they've done that to better teams than us.



13 Sep 2016 23:23:42
Bhoywonder

What other teams?



14 Sep 2016 00:35:38
They put six past Roma last year.



14 Sep 2016 01:38:29
You just have to watch that Barcelona team and applaud TBH. Celtic were all over the place at the back and the keeper looked suspect, but that is down to playing against class all over the park. Barcelona are just something else. No matter who plays them in Spain or even on their travels. The team has to park the bus and hit on the break and load the box for set pieces.

it did fill me with joy watching it none the less. It's always a treat watching Celtic getting stiffened.



{Ed001's Note - the way to beat Barca is to get in their faces, not park the bus. Barca cannot defend, you have to harry them and hope for errors, as Alaves did and Atletico do every season. The teams that beat them in recent years have not parked the bus, and they certainly don't stand off them and watch like Rodgers had Celtic doing last night.}

14 Sep 2016 04:54:59
The difference is we had 10 men and no centre halfs for the last half an hour. the mhankys had 5 defenders and Barcelona took there foot off the gas at 3 😂.



14 Sep 2016 06:59:08
Nice to see you have cheered up, we realise we can't compete with Barcelona and unfortunately have to accept it. Do you accept you can't compete with us or is there no gulf and we got you "on a bad day at the office"



14 Sep 2016 07:42:50
Roma pumped 6-1
Bayern Munich pumped 4-0
Bayern Leverkusen pumped 7-1
Ajax pumped 4-0
AC Milan 4-0
Arsenal 4-1
Shakhtar Donetsk 5-1
Real Madrid 5-0.



14 Sep 2016 07:36:12
It's no wonder some are calling for some sort of elite European league when you have no contests like this. Utterly pointless exercise for Barcelona and all it was good for was target practice. There are too many non contests In the group stages of the champions league now and eventually you could see Europe's elite playing against each other. Sad for both halves of the old firm who were once forces in Europe.



13 Sep 2016 23:33:53
To be honest we all knew Barca would horse Celtic and as far as saying shows how good we are, well true we are both millions of miles behind these kind of teams but I don't think you can put it in those terms, we may beat Celtic quite comfortably next time but we won't be any nearer Barce of course, I just don't think football works that way, sure we would have got the same result v Barce but maybe not quite as much of a doing.



14 Sep 2016 08:18:14
Did Bayern not murder Barcelona a few seasons back?



14 Sep 2016 09:06:24
Cant believe the tims got horsed and they still come on here to spout rubbish. actually quite laughable.



14 Sep 2016 10:04:41
Maybe it is time that we remember what happened 16 years ago, and realise just how things can turn around.
On the 27th. August we trooped off to the "piggery" and came away after being humped 6-2, but just 3 months later they came to Ibrox and we destroyed them 5-1. So let us hope that our manager makes the necessary changes to enable similar changes in our performances.



14 Sep 2016 10:31:54
wheres the rubbish being spouted bluedie?, think youll find i said we were horsed, but then i can admit when the better team won and not go and wreck things and get petitions up and running, should try it sometime, motherwell, hibs, us, you sure your club can afford the paper?



14 Sep 2016 11:14:21
Bhoywonder

After losing 7-0 nil could you really say anything different?



14 Sep 2016 11:54:34
yeah biffo we couldve done the old tried and tested deflection tactics that your club seem to have mastered, like i said we were done last night .



14 Sep 2016 11:57:22
To be fair Biffo, we could claim that there isn't a gulf between the teams, it wasn't a 7-0 game, if Dembele scores etc etc and other such delusional statements.



14 Sep 2016 12:58:11
Bhoywonder don't make me laugh mate. the amount of times yous have wrecked seats in other grounds aswell, all clubs have sections of fans that are numptys.



14 Sep 2016 13:01:48
Sorry Bhoywonder but i kust can't imagine sitting on my tod constantly checking a selik page. smacks of desperation and paranoia to me bud but hey yous and paranoia go like peas and carrotts.



14 Sep 2016 13:13:07
After posting all those above scores Bhoywonders, still. none of them were 7 nil! which still begs the question, which better teams have they done that too?



14 Sep 2016 13:24:31
Scott, his point still stands. If they can score six or five into some of those teams -- many of whom would wipe the floor with us -- then scoring seven into us, whilst not great, is hardly a shock.



14 Sep 2016 14:00:46
Have to disagree! his point is invalid, statement was "they have done that to better teams than us", well on that evidence posted above, no they haven't, they have almost done that to teams better than you's from the scores posted above.



14 Sep 2016 14:03:33
however if a little research had been put in, Bhoywonder could have easily stated the 7-0 win over Valencia, now that's doing it to a better team than you'sbut no can't be arsed putting the legwork in! (a bit like barton and kranjcar it has to be said! )



14 Sep 2016 13:30:51
bluedie each to their own, i always come on to this page to have a discussion with the sensible posters on here, then there's people like yourself that condone every team that beat you, but never mention the dafties in your support that constantly sing sectarian pish, sing about building gallows high etc, your right there is dafties on both sides, but not according to bams on here or your beloved DK, i came on today to say we were pumped, hoping for a convo from decent fans but alas i get yourself, good luck wi your petitions.



14 Sep 2016 14:29:26
"to each their own" is the saying I believe.



14 Sep 2016 15:02:13
there are actually 3 scotty as you can also have each to his own. but good job trying to be a smart arse.



14 Sep 2016 16:17:32
BhoyWonder
Let me start off by saying a few things.
I'm sure Blue die doesn't need me to defend him but some of your responses don't suggest you're just on here for a decent convo with sensible posters, for example, "old tried and tested deflection tactics your club seems to have mastered" sounds like you having a go at us. Of course I'm just being paranoid though, aren't I.
If you are on here for a decent convo you are one of the very few Celtic fans who is. I visit the site every day and the vast majority come on to complain about us, criticise us, belittle us, gloat if and when you beat us, patronise us or wind us up before and sometimes after games depending on the result. They'd probably say they don't like us (at the very least) and we deserve it and I'd say why would I want a decent conversation with anyone who thinks that about me.
I totally condemn the sectarian singing by a number of the Rangers support (I did sing some of them myself to my shame before I was old enough to know better, I'm now nearly 60) and think they should be consigned to the dustbin of history. Anyone who can't take a beating and smashes things up should be prosecuted and banned by their club of whatever persuasion. I also totally condemn the sectarian singing by sections of the Celtic support and the hanging of effigies. Whoever did that is sick, should be rooted out and banned by your club. Much of this has already been said by many of the posters on here, most of whom come on with reasonable posts and aren't"bams" as far as I'm concerned. So if you want a reasonable conversation about the merits and demerits of our respective clubs go ahead but if what you really want us to do is"understand a few things, or know our place or be a bit more humble/ realistic/ apologetic/ contrite and totally accept your point of view on everything just because of the team you support the thanks, but no thanks.



14 Sep 2016 16:53:19
Read my previous posts liverpool and you will see, what i won't stand for is coming on and trying to start a convo and get shot down by people that are deluded to the point where everything is celtics fault and rangers are the victims.



14 Sep 2016 17:10:13
They beat deportiva 8-0 last season.



14 Sep 2016 18:28:34
Bhoywonder no once have i said everything was seliks fault if u look back at my posts so don't no wer u get that from. all i said was i don't get the big deal about selik fans coming on our page especially when uz have convinced yourselves till uz are blue in the face that "we don't exist""we're deid""sevco this, sevco that" but u continue to come on our page.



14 Sep 2016 19:03:50
said before that couldn't give a toss about the sevco pish, also stated that your called rangers, play at ibrox and want to pump yous every game, came on this very post to man up and say we were horsed Blue, to be told that i was basically talking p**** and shouldn't be on this page by yourself and other people that imo talk the biggest load of p**** I read on a daily basis, i mention sensible posters on here a lot because there is a good few who see the standard of scottish football and our teams for what it is, Pity none of them have an opinion on this post.



14 Sep 2016 19:19:40
Real Betis. Ray Vellecano (took 10 of them lol) Deportivo. Sporting GiJon. Espanyol. Deportivo la corunia. Getafe. Celt Vigo. Valencia. Athletic Bilbao. All them beat with 5 6 7-0 wins. Barca destroy teams frequently. Celtic where woeful but we all expected a drubbing.



14 Sep 2016 19:47:10
James reilly I agree with most things you say in your post.
What we would give to be there but MW would probably tell our media there no gap between the teams -joke.



14 Sep 2016 18:27:38
Bhoywonder there's no 7-0 scores in your example.



14 Sep 2016 19:36:00
Starting to get that way Bhoywohder.



14 Sep 2016 20:15:29
never quoted 7-0 tho john, stated that they have humped better teams than us, then gave a list of teams that would beat us that got humped by barca, fickle people with nothing positive to say imo, said they embarassed us and better teams than us, never mentioned 7-0 at all mate.



14 Sep 2016 20:27:17
As i said is all celtic fans are on here talking rubbish, i didn't use u by name as thers plenty more of your lot on here that i was getting at. if i'm being honest i actually enjoy reading a lot of your posts as your not really 1 for rubbing it in. i wasnt even slagging uz for getting humped i was just making the point that uz got beat and the 1st thing uz do is bombard our page.



13 Sep 2016 21:28:55
Right, i have taken my time after the debacle of Saturday, well and truly beat, no question, the fall out and the reporting and opinion of some journalists and pundits are to be frank, toxic, we lost a game at the league champs, on their ground, and now we are supposedly miles behind.

Managers of nearly every Scottish clubs having a dig, the same managers who are pumped regularly home and away by the Dhims. Time to move on, take it on the chin, and dig in together to wipe the smug grin off all their faces. Together we will be stronger for it.

Simple fact is Warbs got his team selection all wrong, it won't happen again, he has had his fingers burned, it will certainly let him know, how the rest of Scottish football reviles his club. Rangers always the biggest show in town, even in defeat. Forever a Ranger. let's stick together and back the team through this rough time.



13 Sep 2016 22:06:45
They got pumped the night they lose to Inverness at the weekend and we will see how they react to that.



13 Sep 2016 22:20:29
He got his team selection wrong it won't happen again did you say that after killie and hamilton games? Celtic got pumped by a team that took 340 million to create but in todays climate it would cost more than that to buy their front three? there's a big gulf between celtic and rangers but a massive gulf between celtic and the big boys of european football. You just need to realise where you are in the pecking order.



13 Sep 2016
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Rangers Player Sightings page entitled, 50/1 Celtic to miss a penalty



13 Sep 2016 21:05:28
Dembelle just bought my wee fella well not till febuary a lovely new bear outfit how nice eh.



14 Sep 2016 10:04:53
StmonkeyRFC

Hopefully you didn't get him a strip?



13 Sep 2016 18:43:28
I back our management team to the hilt and any bear out there who deluded themselves into thinking this wasn't a rebuilding project are very much very blinkered and kidding themselves on! For the wanting warburton sack brigade, if you think warbs should be sacked then who would you want to take over realistically and do a better full club rebuilding job than warbs and sir davie are currently doing? Common let's have the names!



13 Sep 2016 19:33:38
if anyone names billy Davies we riot!



13 Sep 2016 19:41:22
Well said!



13 Sep 2016 19:51:54
You are right w15 there is literally nobody that could warbs is building, look at the youth set up, mcparland scouting and where we've came from, some performances though really do stink of highly paid unmotivated individuals who thought they would walk it up here, not talking about sat game alone, we need the fight back and that starts with us, taking it as it was and moving forward.



13 Sep 2016 20:24:47
Totally. Agree with warb. Yeah we're all gutted about Saturday But let's move on an back the team. Through thick an thin. Well get there.



13 Sep 2016 20:44:13
Not wanting him sacked I'll leave judgement till end of season to see how he builds our club as he had right ideas and plan throughout the club to build from youths etc but if fails, would like to see van bronkhorst who is doing well at feyenord.



13 Sep 2016 20:49:45
I hope the breadman and weir i thought he had already been booked stay absolute dream team as for king doing an amazing job long live the new regime!



13 Sep 2016 20:51:52
Warbs15

What is it exactly you see him building?



13 Sep 2016 20:56:12
StmonkeyRFC

You said look at the youth set up. Can you explain what you mean?



13 Sep 2016 21:06:31
We must stick by Warbs, people forget the guy hasn't just had to build a FULL team but has also rebuilt our scouting system, Mcparland will be huge for us and bringing in future young talented players and doing it within our budget. THIS season is still part of the rebuild and Europe is our goal, fair enough I do think that for some games we should change our system the way Warbs wants us to play IS great to watch and dominates BUT we just don't have a full team that can play that way against certain teams. I think Warbs will stick wi Senders but I think he should have Wilson or Crooks beside him OR could we draft Wallace to CH and use Hodson out left? Only for certain games Warbs is showing faith wi Kiernan and he must be doing somethin right on training pitch but I and most think its time for a change. It'll be interesting to see who gets the roles against County as Sendaros and I think Kiernan are unavailable, Any news on exactly when Crooks will be ready and also we might need to giv the young loanee a chance at CH Bates. So Bears I'll say it again let's stick by Warbs and remember we're still rebuilding.



13 Sep 2016 21:27:18
Biffo the players he's bringing in, let's be honest players we had weren't good enough to step up, getting them actual game time the players that are, we all know hardie is a great prospect but imagine if he was playing on sat another player getting released no doubt due to mad abuse on social media, its going the way i feel it should. apart from our media side who i feel is a shambles. it was never going to be easy but let's look back.



13 Sep 2016 22:42:25
Biffo316,I'm sick and tired answering your questions mate and that's the honest truth! Try taking in what I'm saying when I respond to you, I continually answer to you when you ask well not anymore, you clearly have a very different opinion in our management team to what I have, I totally back our management team and can see what they're building from top to bottom at rangers and either you can't or you won't, end of!



13 Sep 2016 23:04:11
Stmonkey

What players are you referring to?



13 Sep 2016 23:29:44
Warbs15

Your delusional mate and you talk some amount of crap. You haven't answered any questions and all you do is spout crap with no substance to back any of it up. You continually a spout about him building a team yet you can't back it up with anything concrete. So you don't answer any questions just skate round it with vague phrases. You cannot answer the question of what exactly he is building or any proof of what he is supposed to be building. It's no wonder that other mob come on this site and laugh at people like you. You were full of it before the game yet were strangely quiet after the game.



14 Sep 2016 11:39:35
Well said biffo.

Time for Warburton to prove his reputation isn't based upon wishful thinking.

Some of the 'in warns we trust' guff is an embarrassment. We have just made the worst start to a season in our history.

Summer recruitment been a disaster, has made team worse not better. We needed 3-4 quality players not 11 average or past it players (except rossiter and windass) .

Sums Warburton up that we didn't address the key issue- our defence. His answer was a last minute signing of a player who was clearly a backup of last resort. This should have been the first thing addressed, not the last.



13 Sep 2016 23:30:45
To be fair Rafbob it was to coin a phrase "men against boys", although I doubt Iniesta would be classless enough to point this out to the opponent. Also Messrs Strachan and Sutton suggesting they take their mediscine and remember they're still in with a shout etc as there's still plenty of games to go. Also that Rodgers and the team will learn from this experience. Obviously only certain teams can take a tanking, get the tactics wrong, but still have plenty of games left to make the difference.



13 Sep 2016 23:36:54
Biffo316 if you want too see what warbs15 is refering to click onto glasgow evening times, there a strory from craig mullholend on there telling you all you need to know.



13 Sep 2016 17:04:47
1st time posting on here but I'm on everday reading the comments and my god some people really haven't got a clue so let's say we sack Warburton like lots of people say I'm guessing these are the same guys that were singing his name last season give the guy a break it's only 5 games in let's judge him at end of the season.



13 Sep 2016 17:30:24
Welcome aboard mate and not bad for a 1st post 100% correct warbs will sort it Back the man not Sack the man.



13 Sep 2016 17:43:27
Aye he's got to get his strongest 11 out and we will be like a different team when we have crooks and holt etc in the team and playing week in week out, add in Rossiter and Windass and Dodoo and we have a quick dynamic midfield.



13 Sep 2016 18:11:41
Nope, some of us have seen his flaws for a very long time.

Limped over the line in championship not run over it like hearts - who had a much smaller budget.

Tactically inept and not capable of changing. One dimensional tactics looked good against poor opponents but exposed by decent sides.

Massive mistakes made in player recruitment in summer. 11 average or past it players (save rossiter and windass. King lied about backing him but Warburton wasted what funds he did use.

Paranoia and delusions aside - now he has to prove himself.



13 Sep 2016 18:47:45
I think MW has dug himself into a bit of a hole. He doesn't want experienced pro's like Barton and NIko sitting on the bench and getting the huff after persuading them to come here, but anyone can see they both are off the pace and need replaced. We have better on the bench, raring to go.
The real reason people are losing patience with him is he had all summer to sort out the leaky defence and his answer was Senderos (last minute panic buy) and Hill who no matter how optimistic anyone is no Davie Weir and never will be. He's just a past it defender. We brought in too many players but all in the wrong position. It was the same last year, we were crying out for a CDM and a CB all year, this year we have 3 CDM and one decent CB (Wilson) . There's no balance.
He might get them going on a winning run and hopefully get some cash for a defender in January, but if we are so far out the race by then what's the point.
I would rather have seen us sign Marriapa than Barton and Niko, it's what we needed.
When u add the end of season results and this years together it's a horrendous run no matter which way we spin it.
Celtic are nothing special and could have been caught this year if we were just a bit cleverer with who we brought in imo. I'd love to see them on the end of a Rugby score tonight to bring them back crashing down and hopefully get rid of the stench of them from this site for a bit.
Put in perspective to what we've been through last few years this is nothing, we will be back and we will get our revenge, it's the beauty of the old firm.



13 Sep 2016 19:00:43
Good comment Recbob, MW sets out the team as if there is no opposition. He doesn't seem to adapt to what we are up against. We have one tactic and no flexibility when things are going wrong. As for our defence, it is obvious where our problems lie, and that is not new.
Either he has a radical re-think or it is going to be a long, difficult season.



13 Sep 2016 19:18:18
Totally agree recob. i think (hope) the gaffer sees that barton and krankjar are making the team so laboured but i don't think he can drop them as they'l be on big money and it won't look good to king and co if our 2 highest earners are on the bench. also agree the hype abt selik is over the top, not saying for a second they didn't deserve to win the game but when we're down to 10 men and no cbs on and mckay at lb and barton at cb of course there going to score at will.



13 Sep 2016 19:34:12
it wasn't even close in the championship we did run over them.



13 Sep 2016 21:17:36
Barton WILL establish and merit bein 1st team, Nico on thee otherhand Impact player unless his fitness dramatically improves, buy we have players in our squad to do this imo if we can start games wi Rossiter Windass and Holt then the team would look good I would have Windass playing just behind say Garner as for Barton he plays in front of the defence also giv O'Halloran a run on the left wi Forrester on the right, Warbs does have a headache picking the best starting 11!



13 Sep 2016 21:51:27
Every manager, (even Alex Ferguson), has his flaws but the difference between Warburton and McCoist and MCDowall is like day and night. Do we really want to go back to that or some other serial failure in Scotland. Why do we think Celtic brought in Rogers!

What none of us know if whether Warburton brought the best available given the scant resources at his disposal? I suspect so. On paper, Barton was a good signing, (not sure about Hill), an so was Kranjcer. Securing Dodoo and Rossiter was excellent and while it is early days, Garner, Forrester and Windass, all look excellent value for money and we have still to see Crooks in action.

Like many I was very critical of our performances to date but in reality, for me, when I analyse it, what we are lacking is a quality centre half that can defend both on the ground and in the air, read the game and have speed and two thirds of the teams in the EPL are looking for the same! Add to that the sad fact that Wallace is a poor captain that lacks all of the leadership qualities needed. There again, where are we going to find a Greig, Butcher, Gough or Amoruso. You won't get that quality of player shopping at pound land.

I am therefor of the opinion that one additional player, a central defender would make a massive difference. If they have leadership qualities and can captain the team then that is a massive added bonus!



13 Sep 2016 21:16:47
i am not saying sack the hat but he has to be more flexible with tactics and team selection he has made a lot of good things scince he arrived especilly in murray park running and traing methods but bad results against aberdeen and hearts will put him right under pressure don't forgetuntil the celtic game we have played teams rom the lower level of the spl.



14 Sep 2016 12:06:31
All the players we brought in bar Hill and Senderos were great signings considering where we were and where we are now. My point was that was the main position we really needed quality brought in, but the manager chose to ignore it till the last minute. even after having plenty of time to see Hill wasn't the answer he goes out and brings in Senderos, who also isn't the answer. But more worrying for me is his insistence on playing Keirnan. He is the worst player I've ever seen at Ibrox. Looked shaky last year, looks embarrassing this year. I would be delighted to never see him in the famous dark blue again!
Anybody who knows anything about football could see this was going to be a problem for us this year apart from MW and he must take the blame. He chose to bring in 11 players yet still no quality CB and we are paying the price by being out the title race after 5 games.
I hate criticising the team and have been slaughtered on here for over optimism but i won't lie and say we are good enough in defence. We had a young dynamic team last year crying out for a CDM, a striker and a few CB's yet we've been transformed into a slow laboured team with aneven more shocking defence. It's just not good enough.



13 Sep 2016 22:44:43
Tom42 bang on mate, i agree i even posted on here myself a couple of weeks ago we need a tam forsyth type centre half, but i agree totally with your post.



13 Sep 2016 16:12:21
Just reading Warburton's comments in relation to the weekend's match:

"We learned that we have to go into games on the front foot more, be bolder and utilise our attributes in terms of going forward and being positive and decisive. "

From that it would appear that he has not learned his lesson, which does not surprise me when his idea of changing tactics is to do plan A better. If he does that in the next match against Celtic we will get destroyed again.

We should be setting up to play counter attacking football against Celtic as they have better players and lots of pace and know what areas to press against us.



13 Sep 2016 21:34:56
We did set out to be more defensive again celtic, it wasn't down to us going gung-ho at celtic we sat in and tried to catch them on the break, Warburton can't legislate for continuous bad defending at corners and defenders making bad passes and bad decisions. warbs has Davies weir working with the defenders every day it's just that they aren't taking it in at this rate we would need 6 or 7 centre backs.



13 Sep 2016 15:55:14
Dick advocatt Rangers side lost 5-1 to Celtic in his first season in charge and went onto win the treble that year hopefully we can take this defeat and go
On and so the same c'mon Ano we are at our lowest point right now but we need to drag ourselves out this and not wallow and let's start winning games they way a Rangers team
Should be and make ibrox a fortress.



13 Sep 2016 16:16:00
Advocat also spent about £50m doing so, take the blinkers off mate, it's a fight for the top 4 this year.



13 Sep 2016 16:43:43
And we know now where that came fae.



13 Sep 2016 16:48:38
One good reason why we lost was that Celtic played the same game against us as Hibs - they pressed us at every opportunity and we could not build from the back. Having said that the midfield has so far been weakened. Barton and Krancjar, who wants too much time, have not turned up. I would have Rossiter and Windas along with Halliday.



13 Sep 2016 17:31:46
Celtic did not press our defence, they pressed the midfield when our defenders had the ball. This meant that we found it hard to play out from the back and that we were getting caught with our full backs up the park, when we gave away possession.



13 Sep 2016 17:45:44
I'm getting tired of saying Barton and Niko slow us down and don't fit into style of play MW insists on playing and won't change. Let the young legs loose in there and watch us go.



13 Sep 2016 20:57:18
Well if you guys could see the playing it out from the back wasnt working and only succeeded in putting your poor defence under more pressure why didn't your superstar manager sort it?



13 Sep 2016 15:38:29
Lads I'm not panicking. Deep breaths. Deep breaths. That was the result the team needs. Egos bruised, they will train and perform as twice as hard. We'll see a formidable team in the coming weeks with more or less the same personnel.

Meanwhile Celtic will lose 20+ goals in CL, the stuffing will be knocked out of them, while their SPFL form stutters. We'll have clawed back those points by Hogmany.

Chin up lads.



13 Sep 2016 15:53:50
And Dave King will have invested the promised £30 Million. Wake up.



13 Sep 2016 16:22:43
I'm guessing the Celtic site is down?



13 Sep 2016 14:23:45
Only show have you now accepted Reality? ? All yer ramblings about Rfc has better players. Mckay will be worth 5 millio. NK& JB will stroll it up here. As told you league will be over by Halloween and Rfc will be lucky to make the top 4.Enjoy these great times ahead. P'S. Your so called great manager has been found out at the top level yet he says there's no gulf wtf? ? Then it's the poisonus media. Mas starting to slip.



13 Sep 2016 14:58:35
aw go easy on him, i think it has dawned that MW and DW are held much higher in regard than their abilities merit.

what have the management duo actually achieved after 15 months in charge:

a 1-1 in 90 mins and knocking Celtic out of the SC on pens in February?

Ramsdens Cup?

Winning the championship (2nd tier league with part time players) with less points and goal difference than hearts the previous year, who were on a hugely smaller budget?

winning only 3 of his last 12 league games?

only achievement worthy of being in the "longer term future plan" is signing windass and rossiter and let's be honest will they stay long whilst rangers fight for a mid table spot, when they could easily do that in the english lower leagues.



13 Sep 2016 15:00:51
Loki. Is there really any difference MW saying there's no gulf between the sides to Rogers saying there was no embarrassment to losing to the Red Imps?

As for ramblings about RFC having better players, I and many others on here have never said that. I said that Rangers would likely finish second before the season started and that's what I still foresee happening.

Personally I would have thought you would be enjoying the lead up to your big game tonight rather than trying to point score on here but hey-ho.



13 Sep 2016 15:13:05
Do you think about me a lot Loki?

Barry Mckay could be a player worth £5mil one day.

NK&JB Should stroll it up here.

I have never once said Rangers have better players, what I have said is that our players are better than you think.

I have no influence at all on Warburtons opinion.

do me a favour, stop using the word reality. the reality of things is that Celtic won on the weekend, you have a NOTION that Celtic will win the league by Halloween.



13 Sep 2016 15:20:21
NAZ: we can do both. Red Imps was Rodgers first competetive game was it not? embarrassing possibly, but first game in charge is enough of a reason to let it go as long as we beat them at home (which we did)

how many games has MW and DW been in charge for? how many of the last 12 league games have they won?



13 Sep 2016 15:26:05
Aren't you lot playing in an important CL match tonight? Should maybe be obsessing over that instead of MW and Rangers.



13 Sep 2016 15:38:18
Kaney I believe it is 4 wins in 12 now. Disappointing, however the league was wrapped up, most teams go on a poor streak at that point.



13 Sep 2016 19:32:49
Loving how you STILL want to come on our site. You just want to be part of the most successful club in the world it's obvious . Anyway enjoy the moment it will be short lived and you'll be back to earth with a bump. We will always be here going for 55! It's just a matter of when . not if!



13 Sep 2016 21:56:13
You said a better squad. Anyhow a top 4 position will be an achievement in your first year in the SPL. MW had a magic hat in the lower tier. He will need a crash helmet after the RC and Aberdeen games. The worms starting to turn!



13 Sep 2016 22:56:19
Sorry Loki. But I don't remember ever saying Rangers have a better squad. Find the post I said it on then fair enough until then I have to say that I didn't say that. You may possibly be confused, as I did say our squad will become better when our injured players are back. I realise the English language is difficult for you to understand.



13 Sep 2016 14:09:44
I read comments in the media all the time of we'll learn from it, we'll get better, we need better decision making in the final 3rd. I'd really just like to know why we can't defend corner kicks. Maybe, just maybe that's a starting point worth looking at. Ironic when we can't score from our own.



13 Sep 2016 13:34:47
I have discovered a new disease and thought I would share it with my fellow rangers supporters.

It is a new form of psychosis where people believe crooks is some kind of messiah despite him not even kicking a ball.

Symptoms include thinking he will be a quality central defender despite the player himself saying he isn't one.

Sufferers ignore this and state evidence such as him being over 6ft and being a 'big unit'. Other suffers claim he will be superior to players who have years of experience in the role.

Me and my fellow professors are working on a cure.



13 Sep 2016 13:48:46
Well, you see mate a few of us watch more than just Scottish football. I like to watch ANY football game out there. I watched Accrington a lot last year and Windass and Crooks were incredible for them. Crooks will be one hell of a player.



13 Sep 2016 13:48:46
Well, you see mate a few of us watch more than just Scottish football. I like to watch ANY football game out there. I watched Accrington a lot last year and Windass and Crooks were incredible for them. Crooks will be one hell of a player.



13 Sep 2016 14:15:59
Just because he's not a CB doesn't mean he can't improve our defensive performances.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, it's football common sense.

A defensive midfielder, when doing his job correctly, will improve a teams defence.

We got great reports about Windass that turned out to be true.

Crooks might be even better. Rangers fans are aloud to be optimistic and think things will change for the better. Doesn't always have to be doom and gloom.



13 Sep 2016 14:45:05
always rated windass Onlyshow, watched him closely ever since he was on soccer am with his dad, crooks is a good player but agree with OP he isn't a def.



13 Sep 2016 15:21:05
Bhoywonder, I agree to he isn't a defender however done great in the games he played there.



13 Sep 2016 17:23:54
agreed mate but still think u should have spent the money you recieved on a natural def.



13 Sep 2016 17:49:42
Honestger and his pals have discovered class a I think - anyone who has seen big Garth play for Accrington knows he is, a good player and with the correct development at Rangers he can only improve - he is confident on the ball and has good distribution. - I along with some others on here have said he is going to be some player that's it - but then others have without reason became smug and tried to make him out as the answer to all our problems - let the boy get fit then in due course I'm sure he will show us all that he is, a welcome addition to Rangers - no need to be sarcastic about one of our own players -.



13 Sep 2016 12:10:35
Can't pretend I'm not a sore loser so I went hiding for a few days but I'm back with my thoughts.

We lost 5-1 and we were dominated in midfield after the first 20 minutes of the first and the same for the second just after there third goal. At 3-1 we could actually come back into the game until the sending off.

I can see why MW with his philosophy bringing on Hill and going to damage limitation wouldn't be something he would do. Two reasons why, if we bring on Hill and it ends up being 5-1 anyway it looks even worse and the fact he would do that against anyone and maybe he thought he could sneak one and get another at the end he wanted to have a go.

We really missed Danny Wilson. His ability to bring the ball out from the back is second to none. I say it all the time but he is easily our best defender. Senderoff in my opinion is a plug in centre half till January where we can look at better options (aided by it only being a one year deal) Kiernan going off injured and the compete collapse of our defence due to sending off and injuries it meant at 3-1 it could have been any number regardless of how we could have performed before that.

Matt Crooks is made for a game like that, in comparison to Kranjcar he would offer pace and a real physicality in midfield alongside Barton and maybe even another injured hero Holt. Our game and complexion in there can completely change over the next few weeks as our team gets to fitness.

I said before the game it could be two or three weeks to early for us to make an impact and it really showed, Celtic have played a total of 19 games this season against oppositions like Leicester City, Barcelona, Wolfsburg as well as champions league games very important to there team before they even kicked a ball in the league. A total of 11 games before they played another quality opposition Hearts in there first league game. Rangers had one game in America and were then forced into a shitfred preseason campaign that, when eventually we got to Burnley showed us to be completely useless. We had 6 games before our first league game against the likes of Stranrar, Annan and East Stirling. Compare that to Celtic above with another five games being very important champions league qualifiers.

We then look to the start both teams made. Rangers haven't completed there business at this point and neither have Celtic. Celtic have signed significantly less players of high quality which has took there team no time to settle. Rangers have signed a lot of different players from different areas so it will take time for everything to come together.

To Celtic's credit and aid they had a much harder and challenging league campaigne which with there higher volume of quality games allowed them to come through with all the points. The earlier games, especially Hearts although a quality opposition, weren't as impressive as there most recent but there vastly improved preseason and there players being of a high quality has allowed them to start much faster than us and it really showed for me in that performance.

I'm not too worried about the hat or the squad I still feel second is very comfortable for us as a squad although I do feel we will need a little more time to gel and get the whole squad to fitness. I feel because of last season's start people are being a little harsh on how we have started this season with the step up in league and complete overhaul in personnel it will take time for us to gel and become the team you seen last season but as last season has shown we are very capable of doing so it will just take a little more time. We were looking much better against Linfield but Celtic are a million times better and it was just a few weeks to early for us to be competitive. Tough loss but in Warburton I trust.



13 Sep 2016 12:52:52
Oofft I just thought you were awfull.



13 Sep 2016 13:26:37
Just want to ask any rangers fan . has crooks actually played for yous yet? Keep reading how crooks would be better suited to midfield how he would slot into defence and control it .

I was just wondering if he had played or what your basing your opinions on?



13 Sep 2016 13:27:43
Sorry Ross but many of your points are utter nonsense.

Firstly, other than the first 10mins of second half we were dominated. Fact.

MW didn't bring on hill to provide a ready made excuse. He did it because he is tactically inept. Name a single game in his reign where he has tactically outfoxed anyone- you can't because it has never happened.

Danny Wilson may be our best defender but to claim he is second to none at bringing ball out of defence is a ridiculous statement.

Then you say senderos is a stop gap till January- what do you base this on? King has lied about funding the team over and over again, anyone with sense will realise that there is no cash to spend on January.

Then you say crooks - who hasn't kicked a ball for us - would have made a difference. Ridiculous and desperate.

Your preseason point is also nonsense- if the bet Fred cup was such an obstacle then why did we not field our u20 side and allow full side to play meaningless friendlies like Celtic? We chose not forced to.

Then your it will all be ok in time claim because we need to gel. The team is getting worse with each game not better. This is Warburton fault for a quantity over quality transfer approach. All we needed was a striker, defensive mid and a central defender not 11 average or past it players.

Iv seen you be very harsh on other posters who you have attacked and you seem to hold a great deal of importance on your own opinion, even though it's nonsense.



13 Sep 2016 13:32:53
even if you had another 2 moths to prepare you would still have lost convincingly.



13 Sep 2016 14:26:52
Delbhoy 1988,
Crooks has played twice for the under 20's in midfield for about an hour each time. I think the clamour for Crooks to play is born out of sheer blind hope and not much more. He is a big lad (6'4") and has played central defence in the past but prefers midfield. He was named in the League Two team of the year and thought to be a real prospect as is only 22.Our other options in central defence are dire full stop (Kiernan, Hill) once OK but now dire (Senderos) and struggling but capable with the right partner (Wilson) . We also have a young lad Bates on loan from Raith who's been in the match day squad for the past few weeks. They are young, untried and it's probably unfair to throw them into the first team but I think a lot of Rangers fans think-can they really be any worse than the alternatives and maybe, just maybe they might turn out to be gems. So probably a lot more than you wanted to know or are interested in but you did ask. So in summary-hope plus a bit of desperation but after the horror show on Saturday can you blame us!



13 Sep 2016 19:47:57
good points ross. Like you said, we are a decent team at the minute due to lots of games against quality sides although our CL campaign is likely to end in failure because we aren't at that level quite yet. Adjustment does take time, for everyone.

Your players haven't much top level experience in recent years so it will take time for that to happen. Some people think it should be an instant success but it never is. My opinion is that The Hat has done a reasonably good job. He may have been a wee bit deluded at the weekend but overall he seems a decent level manager.



13 Sep 2016 22:03:05
Needs must!, I'm sure Crooks will be able to cover at CH and to tell the truth we have a lot of option on mid so the big man should be given a go oh and btw 0-7 now fair enough prob not a lot of expectations but that just shows how bad that team is, I mean 0-7.



13 Sep 2016 12:04:42
I think it's time to "use the squad" as a certain manager likes to say. It's time to see some new personel starting as current ones just aren't working. For Saturday I would like to see:

Foderingham - Despite conceding 5 last game, I don't think he's had any calamities that would get him dropped.

Tav, Bates, Crooks, Hodson/ Wallace? - Assuming Keirnan and Wilson are injured and Crooks is fit. Senderos obviously banned and Hill, whilst a good guy, is not a good defender so far.

Rossiter, Holt, Windass - Young midfield 3. Rossiter holding and Windass and Holt with their creativity.

Waghorn, Garner, O'Halloran - McKay needs a wake up call and O'Halloran needs game time. Although Linfield not exactly great opposition, he still created 5 goals which is nothing to sniff at. End product isn't great though.

Subs: Gilks, Wallace, Hill, Halliday, Kranjcar/ Barton, Forrester, McKay, Miller/ Dodoo

I don't know what's happened to the team but how many games, worthy of being called Rangers performances have we had since March?
In 3 games before the Challenge Cup final we conceded 9 against Falkirk, QotS and Raith. We lost to Hibs 3-2 twice in a month. Lost to Livingston. Drew with St Mirren and Alloa.

First 4 SPL games I would've expected at least 10 points from bottom 6 teams, now we're 4 points behind Celtic, going on 7 points, and we still have Hearts and Aberdeen to play, who Celtic already have beaten.



13 Sep 2016 12:17:12
Good shout BorderRanger A more hungrier younger and attacking team, And drop Wallace he has been Sh--e.



13 Sep 2016 13:19:54
I thought the exact same thing as you and the line up you went for was man for man the same as me, we badly need hunger and energy in our team and these guys will provide just that, i honestly can't see beyond a young hungry team, let barton, krancjar etc earn a place, if they really are interested that is.



13 Sep 2016 13:30:50
Its a shame like as I was buzzing when we got Barton and Kranjcar and they've been the biggest let downs! Barton been well and truly shown up and only himself to blame.

I would suggest a change in formation for something different but don't think management team will do that. Forrester is easily able to slot in for either Windass, Holt, OH or Waggy which is why I think he would be best off the bench, as he can fulfil multiple positions depending on the situation.



13 Sep 2016 14:20:59
Warburton must be careful. He was sanctioned to buy Barton and Krancjar. They are on mega contracts so what a financial and judgmental disaster if they need dropped because they are deemed to be curtailing progress on the park. No club can afford to waste wads of cash but especially RFC as we all know the financial position at the club is precarious. Celtic have wasted millions granted on strikers over the last few years but they have a sound business model and now an additional, up to £30,000,000.



13 Sep 2016 15:30:31
5 games in. Let's not panic. Team need time to gel.



13 Sep 2016 11:51:44
Think that MW still not sure what best team is yet. Personally I would start Wilson before Kiernan, but who else in defence not sure. Even thinking about possibly a midfielder moving back into there. Also think that realistically should be hoping for a top 4 finish and build from there.



13 Sep 2016 11:42:26
Today is the first day I've been able to bring myself to write anything about that game on Saturday. That one hurt like no other.
I've read most of what everyone has to say on the matter and while I believe some of the criticism was over the top I think i would have preferred it if the manger came out and admitted it was his fault we took that doing. It was 100% his fault.
His team selection was just mind boggling, I just couldn't for the life of me believe that was who he went with. So many mistakes.
Kiernan should never be near our team again, everybody can see it and he looked glad to come off, I doubt he was even injured he just didn't fancy the rest of it. I can't see any way back for him.
Niko is still miles away from fitness and should be brought in for cameos against Linfield, that is all he is fit for right now.
Rossiter is better than Barton and should start in CDM.
Forester, MOH, Windass and Holt deserve a run, yhey all have huge potential and firepower yet are losing out their place to half fit players who offer nothing.
MILLER IS NOT RM AND SHOULD NOT BE ASKED TO PLAY THERE AGAINST CELTIC! Wtf?
McKay needs dropped.
I think the manger can't see what we all see watching the team every week and that worries me. He looks as if he is trying to prove himself right and us and the media all wrong by sticking to his guns when there's no need for it. He brought in the guys on the bench too, give them a chance. The players he has went with have let him down, why stick with them for the biggest game of the season.
I hope he turns this around as I do like him and he had us playing great last year but instead of saying we'll learn from it why not show that by dropping guys who are not performing and giving others a chance. That game was made for MOH and what was the point in signing a counter attacking player and not using him in the one game where he would have had the space. We should have bought a CB with the cash if that's the case. Wasting that boys career sitting on our bench.
All in all pretty gutted, we all picked variations of our 11 for the game on this site last week and I would have went with anyone of ours over what we got and that is simply not good enough. If this isn't the wake up call and he doesn't do something drastic about it then I fear for us this year. The sad thing is would anybody even be suprised if he started the same 11 next game, I wouldn't.



13 Sep 2016 12:04:51
Recob I wouldn't be surprised either if he sticks with Barton or Kieron but he needs to make that change as well as be honest and hold his hands up for making these mistakes. i would build team around Rossiter n windass . Still in transition but getting basics wrong. I said to my mate last night that out the few hundred thousand rangers fans, we could get a better CB pairing. Fact X.



13 Sep 2016 15:32:23
McKay the golden boy needs dropped. Some think the sun shines out his a--e. He was good on a poor league last year but has been a ghost this year. Forrester/ MOH need a chance.



13 Sep 2016 11:25:32
time for a big shake up in the team. windass will be a grate player for us and must start. also garner as he was winning a few challenges in the air against toure and will come good probably still give tav a game but the rest needs changed especially barton just might be the kick in the goalies he needs.

i would like a formation change that probably won't happen as that kiernan, barton always get a game, don't know why. time to sit out lads and earn your place back except kiernan as he's the worst defender we have had by a mile.



13 Sep 2016 10:13:29
Warburton got a free ride while in the Championship because he did not have to compete against Celtic.

However, now that we are back in the top flight he is going to come under greater scrutiny and pressure.

While some of us are realistic enough to realise that we have a long way to go before we can compete with Celtic, not everyone shares that view. For many of our fans, playing second fiddle to Celtic and not winning trophies is just not acceptable.

For that reason Warburton has to start getting the team playing well and winning matches. If he sticks with his formation and tactic then I can see him being out of a job soon.

While the Celtic game is always an important fixture, I believe that our fixtures against Hearts and Aberdeen are going to be more vital to our final league position. If we don't take points in these games, I think we can forget Europe next season.



13 Sep 2016 09:03:42
Oooooofff just out from underneath my bed there since Saturday afternoon, that was terrible to watch, I love MW and DW, they have done themselves and Rangers proud as a club over the last 16 months, not want to criticise to much here, because we've came a long way since super ally, but warbarton needs to take stock of this, and take stock wisely, that display and them tatics didn't and will not, keep him in this job, we've been trying to pick and get a steady starting 11 now from the start of this season, and we're not further forward in doing so, we've been saying our defence is terrible since last year, STILL NOT SORTED, we've been saying we need young and fit and fresh legs in the midfield, since the start of this season, STILL NOT BEEN SORTED, people can say he was brave on Saturday still going for it with NO centre backs on the field and down to 10 men, that's fair enough, but getting beat 3-1 off them isn't ok, but considering, it's decent, 5-1 is a total doing that we rangers fans and as a club, can't stand for that, it's is only ever 2nd managerial football job, and he's still learning, but now he needs to deliver, we've got a great team, so it's up to him to start picking it! There's a long way to go in this season, everything's still to be won, so c'mon lads get this sorted.



13 Sep 2016 09:58:15
Totally agree Colin we've got the makings of a side that could do some damage in this league, we've been unlucky with fitness issues Holt crooks windass just coming back into squad having said that Warbs needs to adjust the system main striker needs to play right up against last man not drifting, niko used in a free role as one of front 3 instead of taking a midfield place, start to bleed bates in have a look at him! Give hodson a chance! And I really hate this one but Wallace ain't cutting it, love the guy but for me he's struggling to get past players in spl which totally nullifys him maybe time for a move inside to cover for center back.



13 Sep 2016 08:12:36
I must say I agree with Dean Windass about building a squad around Josh. He was the only player to try for us on Saturday, the way he took it past players like they weren't even there. He is a great player and one we need to utilise more often.



13 Sep 2016 08:33:51
I agree onlyshow, I've said for a while the 2 first picks in the engine room should be windass and rossiter then a toss between holt or halliday for the other spot.



13 Sep 2016 00:47:01
I can see why the fans are getting frustrated after a number of poor results in the SPL and being humiliated to our biggest rivals!

People are already calling for Mark Warburton to leave the helm, personally I think that is shocking for a number of reasons

I don't think Mark Warburton has been spot on but to call for him already Really? Its far too early, I may be proved wrong and it might be a case of him, already met his level and can't take us any further as it did with McCoist and McCall in the Championship!

Here are my reasons why we can't simply just turn our backs on Warburton just now

1. It's a new experience at the top summit and there has been practically a whole new twelve players brought into that team most have to gel and haven't all found their feet yet

2. Who else can we get just now that will do better under the budget Warburton has had?

3. We get rid of him then it's going to cost and a number of the players can possibly be made redundant! Which we simply can't afford!

4. Mark Warburton deserves his chance, I don't think there is any Manager going up to SPL can challenge Celtic first time of asking Seriously people need a reality check!

5. Let's see where he can take us If we don't succeed for a European place, which is top 4 (which I reckon is a realistic target) then fans can assess - Calling for his head just now is just plain damn crazy!

I have to admit there are few boys that shouldn't be at the club Clint Hill and Joey Barton is a couple to mention, in my opinion!

The young lad Andy Murdoch, who was released, would probably have done a better job than Joey, from what I've seen so far.



13 Sep 2016 02:19:02
you are 100% right, we are a Championside side living with or past reputation, this is no easy feat, no one likes us and plays there A game every time. It is different to be promoted and treated as an underdog, we however have everyone trying 100% against us.

we need to be realistic, we are built on a fraction on Celtics squad, our youth system seems to be inferior to theirs,

we have no money, no five year plan ( that i know of)

we do however have some good young players, however they need time.

they have the best young Scottish players, we need to look at bringing in the local boys

MW is doing his best with what he has, going on past few seasons JB should be a revelation, not MW's fault he cany hack the intensity of Scott Brown and the SPL.



13 Sep 2016 04:09:14
I have to agree although his continual support for Kiernan while showing considerable loyalty does not help his credibility. I hate to think where we would be now if McCoist was still in charge.



13 Sep 2016 06:21:52
Its Mark Warburtons fault that he keeps playing tho.



13 Sep 2016 11:50:04
For the life of me I can't understand why he persists on playing Rob Kiernan he was very suspect last season it's even more obvious this season that he cannot hack playing spl football, Mark Warburton has to see this and act on it. surely.



 
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