Rangers Banter Archive May 13 2013

13 May 2013 20:58:30
Now tbat Sandaza has been sacked why hasn't he come out and outed the person who wrongly advised him not to bless himself? Could it of all been lies? Part of his plan to get out after he realised we won't get fast tracked?

Sandazza will do nothing till everything is done and dusted.

I expect sansaza will get a settlemwnt to his contract before tribunal and he will have to sign a confidentiality contract and won't be able to speak out

Lets be honest nearly everone in power at ibrox could have told him that

14 May 2013 08:17:00
A much simpler explanation is just that he's been legally advised not to speak to the press while has has ongoing legal proceedings against the club, as would anyone else be. No mystery.

If he believes in superstition, that's up to him, whatever good it does.

Why didn't he come out at the time it happen and out the person? Seems more an more like a big web of lies

Because of the nature of his dismissal he could be looking at a very substantial pay our here! I would guess also a very large sum for confidentiality agreement! All that money "in the bank" is dwindling away very very quickly bears!
Don't forget a payout for Mr Murray too, and I am sure he will be looking at a very large sum to keep his mouth shut too! As I am sure he has a lot to say!
Very dangerous times at ibrox I am afraid guys!

@6 what? And jeopardize his career so early in the piece? Or are you calling him a liar?

Sandaza was sacked for gross misconduct so he will be getting nothing from rangers. cg might have used the situation to get a high earner of the wage bill but nobody asked sandaza to talk to a random person about the terms of his contract

Why would outing someone to tried to stop him blessing himself ruin his career? Personally I think he is a complete person, and don't believe it, if it was me I would out the person who tried to prevent only my religion whilst allowin others to practice theres. First and foremost religion has no place on a football pitch and in a stadium.

13 May 2013 18:18:01
What about Morgaro Gomis? he's a fabulous player, tried and tested in the lower leagues of scotland, just been released from birmingham

Can he be registered? How many does the quota allow?

22 over 21s I think? With sandaza, kyle, goian, boca and alexander gone/set to go then there will be a few spaces {The Ed039's Note - Greegs, davis, whittaker etc were taking a space last season as CG was tying to hold onto their reistration so thats more spaces)

Ed what's with the Greegs? That man showed himself up for what he was in the summer a money grabbing traitor who couldn't care less about Rangers and only about himself {The Ed039's Note - So you quickly forgot he was the guy who saved a Samaras penalty that helped win us the league? I really dont get all the animosity towards these guys, they have a short career and looked after themselves)

I was slightly disapointed they disnt tupe then leave for a minimumal transfer fee. However, they did give us some cracking memories including sare-ar*es penalty save.

@4 maybe they were the ones who had a small shred of morals at your club!
Maybe they didn't want to tupe over to line greens pockets! Maybe they were upset with the fact that the money wouldn't have gone to the very long list of creditors that your rancid club disgustingly left in its wake!
They took a massive pay cut which saved back room staff's jobs during the initial period of admin/liquidation! For that I believe they can hold their heads high!
I guess all of that is lost on the bitter bears who are only interested in ripping these creditors off and who is going to be your next signing!

I said I was slightly disappointed with their decision not to. But you definitely hold a lot of hatred towards rangers. Where you this disgusted when celtic chairman john reid claimed mp expenses to attend celtic games? Whether its a £1 or £1million, his actions, as celtic chairman were disgusting

13 May 2013 12:51:13
Am hearing Barry ferguson is coming back, I'd take that man back in a heart beat, brilliant player, brilliant rangers man, club legend, bleeds rangers, knows what it's all about playing for rangers, he'd be great for all the younger players! Please hope this is true! Treble 2003

Are you serious? Why the obsession with former players who are past their best? Look at the state the club is in financially and you want to pay has beens?

It's posts like this that leave me feeling there is no hope for our future. Forwards not backwards please.

As manager? That's what he wants to do now he's retired from playing and has his A coaching license.

I think after playing in the English Championship he would bring a lot more to the job than McCoist.

Is it true, but?

Cannot agree with ANY of the points post makes, and in particular to say great for younger players is a joke, he destroyed confidence level in so many before with his constant whining at them [Adams prime example]. Sorry can see zero plus in bringing back his give me the ball to I pass it backwards attitude, praying next season we see a team that wants to go forward more and his involvement is certainly not going to give us that.

Your correct he is Rangers through and through blah blah, the question is do you really think this is what you need? What you need is a Board who hit with a straight bat, free signings on affordable wages, transparency so you can all buy your ST with absolute confidence, I honestly think BF would be a backward step. Last year was a marvellous opportunity for your club to shed all the old baggage and march forward with a modern outlook to the future, the chance was there and Green blew it pandering to an element which exist at both our Club's. I think I just said wake up and smell the Rose's FFS. If you do it properly you will be able to come into the SPL with a warchest rather than coming in as the poor relations because three years ST's have been squandered on old guard type players.
I wish you well Gbhoy.

Sorry mate but people like you that are wanting stats from the past to return to Rangers are hanging onto nostalgia and wishing the clock could turn back.

We have a fantastic opportunity to build a new team of stars, change the way that we play and go on to success in the future. More old stars being implemented means rebuilding again sooner because said stars will retire in a few years.

Hi Guys, Ferguson was outstanding in his time in England, He could still sign for a championship side however he has recently completed his coaching badges and I believe he feels the time is right for management. He has publicly stated he wants to be rangers manager one day. I would have him over Hutton or Black any day of any year!.

Bluegenuis

Just signed 1 year deal at blackpool stop posting garbage

I simply don't see the point in paying Barry Ferguson the wage instead of a young player who could be picked up for free and earn the club a transfer fee. The only logical explanation for the daily links with these has beens is McCoist is trying to bring in all the experience he can, to do his job for him on the park, influencing the youngsters because he is clearly being found wanting in that department.

I agree with the above poster who says people are hanging onto nostaglic memories in wanting these players back. I mean Novo is past it, Boyd would command 10k at least to come back same as Kenny Miller, Kevin Thomson in our predicament is too much of a risk to give a contract given his horrific past injuries. All of these suggested signings are just looking backwards and lack imagination and confidence in the scouting system.

@7/ Outstanding in England? Are you joking? he done his usual side way passing game. Go and ask on the Birmingham sites about him

@9 I think you will find the reason all these names are coming up is to get momentum fur when STs are ready to be sold, nothing more and nothing less! Ally knows the crowd he is trying to sell to, he knows if he pulls out some if the old guard the backwards thinking supporters will be slavering at the bit to throw money at the club!

@7

"Poster in name theft shocker"

I'm the real Bluegenius!

You can tell I'm the real one because I spell it correctly!

Bluegenius

13 May 2013 13:21:23
Anyone know when the season ticket renewal forms will be out?

Govan FR_CPL

Quite suspicious there has been no mention of this from Rangers.

Was one of greens famous quotes about having season ticket money in the bank by the end of May? Not going to happen and like most bears I have serious doubts about our club and funding next season. PB

I'm beginning to think the whole IPO will be proved illegal as Green didn't divulge Whyte's claims on Ibrox - and remember whether there is any truth in his claims doesn't matter, Green still was duty bound to give prospective investors that information.

Pay at the gate next season for me.

Anyone that decides to renew while all this mess is going on at board level ect is off there head we need stop chucking our hard earned cash at all these money grabers then we will see who will be the real rangers men willing help our club

About £10m came in last may june and july from season tickets. you had the share issue in december, and just to give you the benefit of the doubt, we will believe green, £22m from the share issue. let's be generous and give you another £3m income from advertising, pay at gates, etc. so £35m.

so since the season books went on sale last year, 13 months ago. at 2.3 million a month for running costs, that's about £29m. you then bought some stuff from minty, what was that £2/3m. you are paying a fortune for this investigation. so if green was telling the truth, which is doubtful, you have about £3m left.

you have no additional income for the next 3 months, no games. no renaming of stadium, no news on new strips,

lets say for a minute that green told a wee ''white'' lie, pun intended. and the issue wasn't £22m. even if it was only £19m . you are skint, barassic.

to send out 38,000 renewals, paper, printing, envelopes, postage and the biggy, processing, would cost a lot of money. maybe the rangers simply can't afford it. that would explain.
no audited accounts, someone is trying to hide the truth from you.

guys I didn't write this to rile you. it is my honest opinion of what is going on. I really think your team is in serious trouble and will admin/liq again this year. shammy

Didn't £2m go out the door January and February in footballing debts. Then there's directors bonuses and staff bonuses for winning third div. then there's business debts £400k Orlit?
So yeah finances tight but if £22m was needed to get through first year, where is next years £22m coming from?

@6 I really don't know any more. it's all above my head. I don't understand any of it really. just think there can't be enough money. shammy

Bears I meant to say, even if you have £22m in the bank and draw in another £15m this season. it will cost you most of that to get to this time next year. then what? shammy

Don't forget all these hangers on coming back to the club too! And all these new players coming in to the club also! Haven't seen anyone leaving yet either!

N5 shammy tou say you are not trying to rile us that would be a first eh every time I see a post from you its about trying to rile us big time tmwnn

14 May 2013 13:40:54
@10. The truth hurts bud. what riles me is all those creditors shafted, decent hard-working folk who were doing their bit to help keep real rangers afloat by providing goods and services, almost guaranteed at a discounted rate through their love of the club no doubt, and its all"sign him"or"offer him x amount" or more whines about your self inflicted difficulties. have you no shame?I find it insulting, all that crap about dignity and loyalty is laughable. were is the loyalty in ripping off rangers fans?where is the dignity in owing all and sundry?how low are the ones in charge of your club prepared to go in order to keep their perks on-going?stupid folders with nonsense scrawled on it might hoodwink the more gullible fan but ffs lads how hard is it ask questions and demand answers and proof to back it up?they are only custodians of your club, your money every year is the TRUE owner, they can't stay afloat without you so ffs use your heads before its too late.

@10: if his post riles you then you have a problem - all he's trying to do is point out the possible financial mess at your club. If you want to ignore it and accuse him of making it up etc. then enjoy the sand.

@ 10. I honestly was not at the wind up. it's maths.
since may last year til may next year = 24 months you will have had approximately 22m shares money? and 22m season book money. the extras i. e. tv, pay at door, ads etc don't matter. they went with buying from sdm and debts as pointed out by @6.

so you have £44m to cover running costs over 24 months at 2. 3 m per month = £55. 2 m. now remember this depends on green telling the truth about the share issue, which is very doubtful. and if you don't have a £22m share issue every second year, why oh why can you not see you are f*****

and this is the bit that ''riles'' us.
with that shortfall, a bunch of over payed players you can't sell, on 3/4 year contracts. you still identify signing targets that would put another couple of mill on the wage bill over that two year period. still not at the wind up, you peeple really need to wake up and smell the embalming fluid. shammy

13 May 2013 09:37:30
Saw the article in the herald on Sunday about the Eadie brothers. Not good reading! We want to " cleanse the club ". Ally says. Is this the way to do it? The Eadies have baggage. Do we need further negativity. You can bet your boots there is more to this tale that what the both of them are currently saying

Easdales even.

Let's not fall out over a name when the "BIG HOOSE" is crumbling round about them!

Everyone on the board appears to have been contacted by and brought in by CG.
The problem being that nobody else seems interested, including the Blue Knights, Jim McColl or Brian Kennedy.
Therein lies the problem.
So what do we do about it?
I would seriously doubt that any shareholder in any organisation knows the full story behind business takeovers, or investments in companies. An investor is usually someone who's sole intention is to make a return on their money. Right now Rangers Football Club have no alternative but to go with the present flow of available options. Like him or loathe him, CG was the only one who stepped forward to save the club. This is not a resounding accolade of CG, it is merely the facts.
Conspiracy theories unfold on a weekly basis, let's just wait to see what the official outcome of the various ongoing investigations reveal.
We really don't have much choice. Yes short term we can (as I will be doing) is pay at the gate rather than purchase ST until there is at least some sort of announcement, however there are dangers in starving the club of cash input.
To the people who have been denouncing WS of being an ally of CG, quit now. CG may have had reasons for bringing Walter in, but our arguably greatest manager is a man of morals who is respected enormously throughout the game, as a manager and a man.

P. O. B.

@3/ Your wrong. A shareholder can find out any detail of any investment or takeover if they want to. A request can be made to the company for time to see all company business. At the granting of this, which cannot be refused, full transparency is required. As you say, pay at the gate is probably the best way to go until the true facts are known. You claim the club could be starved of cash with no ST sales, what about the double digit money in the bank? Mark my words when this is all over Malcolm Murray will be proved of having the clubs best interests at heart. So why is Walter not siding with him? Why is Walter backing Green? Malcolm Murray has built up a formidable business reputation over thirty years, he has a lot to lose here.
As you say, Blue Knights, Kennedy etc all backed off, why? because they know it is now reaching crisis time, so does Murray.

CG was not the only option and did not "save " the club. No one could see how a CVA could be agreed and were waiting for liquidation. CG got an exclusivity deal (questionable legality) which kicked in on liquidation of the old club. and D&P turned down a higher bid from Walter and his consortum.

It looks as if CG, CW and D&P were in cahoots to keep other bidders out.

@4 & 5. - Walter is backing Malcolm Murray,
WS threatened to resign if Murray was forced out.
I'm sticking to the "Nobody really knows everything" statement. things can be and certainly appear to have been concealed.
You could go on all day about various conspiracies and who knew what and who didn't. The bottom line is certain individuals stepped up to the plate, and others like Bill Miller and Bill NG backed off. Walter's consortium came in at the last minute and tabled an offer, but we're led to believe they were too late. None of them, not even the BK's have been to court, or have divulged an answer to the assets conundrum. So either they did due dligence and were satisfied enough to table a bid, or they were sidetracked by D&P.
If they were then the BDO and the other investigations would have or will be able to find this out.
Unless it is all one huge conspiracy, and it's been deemed Rangers FC are too much of a loss to Scottish football for the whole truth to come out.
Like I said, let's wait to see the conclusion of BDO's work, but at the same time continue to support the club, what other choice do we have?
P. O. B.

Isn't a condition of bring involved as a company in the stock exchange that all board and company issues are transparent and available to any shareholder? We need AIM to investigate the goings on at this so called company! Maybe that is the way forward here, a truly independent enquiry free of all the sweeping under the carpet that has been rife with the old club and now quite apparent with this new club too!
Everybody needs to know the level if corruption which permeates from this club to all walks of football in Scotland!
We need answers NOW!

@6 what we do know is that D&P were in negotiations with CG during the time that Bill Miller was supposed to have an excusivity deal. His proposal was esentially not valid under UK liquidation law, and is the reason that he pulled out. But seems to be the same model that CG claims to have occurred (same club any one). CG's offer was not the best, and D&P selected him ahead of the blue knights and Brian Kennedy BECAUSE HE WAS IN CAHOOTS WITH CRAIG WHYTE.