Rangers Banter Archive March 13 2013

 

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13 Mar 2013 21:44:03
i watched Barca v AC Milan last night. What an advert for football!
Now can you all understand why OUR game us dying?

It doesn't matter how much we try to re-structure, it's dying on it's feet and there is NO way back. Accept it. We are heading for a look alike "irish league".
On any given weekend if Rangers AND Celtic are playing away, there are usually about 35. 000 in total watching 21 games! Do the maths and take a long hard look at the empty spaces on televised games. It's embarrassing guys

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There lies the problem, too much football on tv, and football of the highest quality. I am old enough to remember when there was two or three games a year on telly. The ECWC cup final in Barcelona was not on live. The problem is that now you can watch football every night of the week. I used to go to Girvan to watch the FA cup final every year. Now on a Sunday you can watch five or six live games.

When you watch the likes of Barca every week, what makes you want to go and watch Annan?

Sky the very organisation that practically runs football, who our clubs depend on the scraps they feed us have in a large way killed the game.

I remember meeting the late great Davie Cooper and he saw this problem arising. He said to me that in thirty years, and this must be twenty plus years ago, that he could see the day when clubs would have to let people in for free to provide an atmosphere and that clubs could live on tv money. Well that is not happening here but may be not to far of the mark down south.

This chasm between incomes and CL has ruined the romance of football. No team from a small country can ever win the CL, because the same teams every year get to the semis, the rich get richer the rest of us don't matter. Even if a small country produced a great team, between seeding and rule that teams from the same country can't be in same group, and the fact that it is a league means you can't get teams from a small country can't progress. It is considered a success this year for Celtic to get to last sixteen, I remember two semis of european cup and cup winners cup being played in Glasgow on the same night. Now that was success.

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Barcelona vs AC was a great game but I've said for long enough we need to follow a German football style.

Few things Scotland has around 5/6m people in it. so does London.
Scotland has 42 teams in it. The premier league & championship have 44 teams. We have the SFA/SPL/SFL/SAFL 3 main parties to deal with 42 teams in Scotland. The term too many chiefs not enough Indians springs to mind.

only found this out the other day but if your in the SAFL ( amature level) you need to pay £1000 a season to play in a amature league. Also spoke to a guy who ran livingston under 15s and even he said the sfa were a joke when it came to money.

Yesterday it was rumoured that a league in qutar was going to be played every 2 years inviting the best teams in the world to play in it, in turn each club would make around £175m in doing so. FIFA trapped wind of it and want a investigation into it. Things like this are going to put FIFA out of the game & it will be as the poster above says all about money. The rich will always be rich.

A major clear out is needed in scottish football. Prices down to £15/20 per game pump in youth & bin the spilt. The germans done this over the last few years & look at them now, There even greetin about it on tv lol! sadly though we all live in the real world and britian is too policitally correct for us to do it. (the germans done a 17min silence in protest as the german FA wanted to ban flares & put up the prices of the football. Every game in Germany done it & it showed the German FA the fans have a say. ) Over here we wouldn't dare to do such a thing. 10 years time I will be surprised if sky or anyone will be inrtrested in our game & to call it a irish league IMO is a under statement

lenny

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Completely agree, have posted on more than one occassion that we need to dramatically reduce number of ''so called'' professional teams in Scotland, it really is absurd as it stands, it is impossible for a country of our size to commercially sustain current number, also like poster have said that Irish/Welsh leagues will be our standard soon with zero tv interest, something dramatic needs to be done very soon, and the answer is certainly not this absurd league reconstuction proposal.

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Your point is a bit flawed as there is barely ever a weekend when both Celtic and Rangers play away at the same time as this would mean they would also be playing at home at the same time. This would make the figure you state closer to 70/80,000. The top 20 teams in England average home attendance for this season is a total of roughly 700,000. Now considering England's population is ten times that of ours, and the fact that they have the so called best league in the world, that ain't all that bad in relation.

Mikeybhoy

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13 Mar 2013 19:13:00
Hi just wondering if you know anyone with 2 spare adult rangers end tickets for Elgin away this Saturday? Could meet at or near the ground. Cheers Highland bear

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Maybe you should go along and support inverness or county instead. you know, your local team {The Ed039's Note - I am fed up with this bull because someone supports their local team they think that it is wrong that others dont. You would think that there is a rule that if you are born in an area you must support that team. I am afraid it doesnt work like that. I was born in Shettleston in the east end of Glasgow, if that theory was right then I would have to support Shettleston Juniors ......... or worse, there is another stadium 10 minutes down the road)

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Well said mate.

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Well said Ed! As a matter of fact the majority of my family are gers fans! My old man supported Inverness Thistle aswell until 1994 when they joined with Caledonia. After that he refused to show any support to caley jags. So mind your own business.

Highland bear

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In fairness ed if you grew up in shettleston your lucky you don't support barlinnie fc which usually becomes your local team when you grow up their lol {The Ed039's Note - You're wrong, the punters in Shettleston dont get caught, so they never end up there)

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Nonsense. You support who your dad took you to see normally. ED, that stadium down the road might have saved you a lot of heartache 25 years later mate. LOL! {The Ed039's Note - What team you talking about? I was talking about Vale of Clyde)

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Well said ed, you know where I was born ( parkhead cross ) but then again i'd brains from day 1 lol doug t. s. o {The Ed039's Note - What happened to them ........ see your next post)

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And what if highland bear stays in crianlarich, its a lot closer to glasgow than it is to inverness doug t. s. o {The Ed039's Note - This is what I mean by your brains Doug ......... Crainlarich comes under Stirling Council, not Highlands lol)

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@6 As my old Ma used to say Bamber, self praise is no honour. lol
Tam

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Jeeso doug that must have been a sight legs spread eagled in the middle of parkhead cross if you you the brains you claim you would have went to a maternity hospital like everyone else

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I'm from Larkhall what team should I support the Thistle or the Albert? It's just too difficult too choose il glory hunt and go for the jags since the magnificent gasworks stadium is just round the corner from me lol or should I be an Accies Fan? PMSL at this thread.

Larky Bear

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I'm from England, corby bhoy but Scottish football is where are teams Come from. it does not matter where ya from like it or not Celtic rangers are the teams all football fans support1 or the other wether your from Brighton to Swansea to Norwich every fan has a favourite Out of the two, yet I don't think the accademicles should get slaged down, on my last trip to Scotland a couple of weeks ago after the stmirren game I went strait through to watch the Hamilton falkirk game the atmosphere was better than the Celtic game so the heart is till in the game in Scotland that's all ya need

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13 Mar 2013 17:28:42
Raith Rovers and St Mirren chairmen amongst others have ridiculed the idea of Old Firm reserve teams playing in the lower leagues as happens in Spain and Italy. It is exactly because of this small mindedness and pettiness that Scottish football is in the state that it is. One of the best quotes was along the lines of if one team has a colt team then all the teams must have the opportunity. Priceless. Smaller clubs cannot run one team let alone two.

The obsession with how many clubs in how many leagues is becoming tiresome. I posted on here a while back that Scotland should be focusing on the development of youth; not how many leagues there are. The money that has been squandered in the Scottish setup is ridiculous. Money needs to be spent on youth systems at the SFA level not just at club level. For Scotland to prosper, a level of education MUST be implemented at SFA level. Arguably the majority of 'top' Scottish talent has come from Old Firm, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Hibs over the last 20 years or so. EVERY club needs to be producing.

A few months ago I suggested a system whereby central schools where the lads grew up and learned football from experts; not gum chewing, frustated parents with chips on there shoulders and oversized Umbro jackets be organized. The one thing we do produce as a nation is top quality coaches and managers. Last season at one point there were 9 Glaswegian managers in the EPL, not to mention the numerous assistants and coaches. Play to your strengths. If that means employing dozens of them to teach the lads then so be it. We will reap the rewards in a decade or so. Once something like this is in place and up and running it would be so easy to maintain. It would be difficult to implement and probably cost a small fortune (refurbishment of Hampden!) but speculate and you will accumulate.

The other part of that plan would be based on the American Football draft system, the bottom team gets firsts choice on available talent etc. Its a long shot and the sort of idea and forward thinking that would have people like Regan and his persons running scared. Nah, we will just worry about how many teams are in each league. That will sort the problem. These people don't even know what the problem is let alone how to fix it.

As much as I would love to see The Rangers in England, as I am, a) I doubt it will happen and b) if it does we still need to sort out Scottish football. Kenny Dalglish, Graeme Souness, Alex Ferguson, Jim Mclean, Sir Walter; these are the calibre of people who should be running the game, not Regan etc with not the first clues and guys like Hutton at Raith and Gilmour at St Mirren putting the blockers on any half decent idea such as Old Firm Colts teams.

The hard facts are that regretably Scottish football would be better off without the Old Firm. There is little chance of another team putting up a fight, Celtic are merely waiting on Rangers and will win the league every season until The Rangers are back. As good as this may seem for them I am sure they would prefer to have Rangers back immidiately, deep down at least.

We need to sort out this mess now, from the bottom up and also from the top down, get rid of administrators and get ex footballers with world pedigree in charge.

That turned into a ramble, apologies.

Also, McCoist has got to go. Not cutting the mustard, legend or no legend. It back fired on John Greig, don't let it happen to you or the 'Super' could be deleted forever.

Jim, Plymouth {The Ed039's Note -I find it quite funny that you say "smaller clubs can not run one team never mind two" when we find ourselves in the 4th tier of Scottish football after financial meltdown. I see this shambles going on and on, becaue if they want this to be pushed through for next season, and have 2 old firm "colt teams" in the lowest division then surely Rangers can not start in that division along with their colt team, then they must be promoted, and the allegations of a lack of sporting integrity or fast tracking starts. There is no way in hell this plan is ever going to work)

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A good post the people running our game are useless

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Well said Ed, for a minute I was thinking the post was from a Real Madrid fan or something.

Gaz

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Ok, OP here, We all know the state Rangers were in and it seemed pointless mentioning it again but, yes Rangers went bust, yes Rangers can't have a colt team in the same league as the big team and yes as usual the small mindedness of the masses comes to the fore. The point of the post is that Scottish football needs a radical shake and that the wrong people run the game for apparently the wrong reasons. And whilst each chairman has the right to put his point across, generally speaking and rightly or wrongly these views are wholly biased towards his own club, not Scottish football, this is fundamentallythe problem. As far as Gaz is concerned, presumably a Celtic fan, yes your team done remarkably well this season in Europe, however unfortunately we as a Scottish representatives, be it either of the Old Firm is having less and less of an impact. We should be putting measures in place so that the last 8 or the last 16 of CL is a disappointment not an achievement.

Jim

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What should happen if the "big team" is relegated into the same division as their colts?
Also, all the coaches mentioned are employed to run professional teams and are the the last people to be let near kids. Future talent has to be found among kids who enjoy the game for its own sake- take the rough diamonds and polish them, don't try to establish a production line of clones who have the joy of the game coached out of them. I remember the days when kids used to organise street teams without adult involvement except maybe getting an older person to referee and keep order. The world has moved on but the football has gone backwards (and I've completed some SFA coaching coarses).

Paddy Malarkey {The Ed039's Note - Pads, I used to organise my street team and I am only 30 ......... significantly younger than you lol, and I know my wee cousin still does it now, and we used to ref our own games. From what I can read about the proposal with The Colts, is there would be promotion/relegation from non league to the league system, if this was to happen then the Colts team would automatically be relegated and this would save a "normal" league team from relegation. This is what I can make out from reading up quickly on it)

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OP (Jim) there is a relevance to mentioning what happened to Rangers regards your post, some of these teams and their "small-mindedness" are very well run and cut their cloth to suit, sell players when they have to, don't burst the bank to sign someone/hold onto someone.

So I'll take their frugal, even self-serving, stance over that of Rangers every day of the week. You made a lot of good points but your first paragraph is a nonsense.

As for your NFL draft idea, guess who the biggest opponents of that would be? Your club and my club. Nowt to do with Regan yet, again, you couldn't resist a wee dig. And given their isn't the same money, same standard of coaching available why should that best of the new crop of players end up at say East Stirling on a pittance when presumably the 42nd best player gets handsomely paid at Celtic Park? It works in the NFL because of salary caps on all 32 clubs and there are no perennial good teams or indeed bad teams.

Gaz {The Ed039's Note -

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Ed all this talk of reconstruction just about everyone knows the wrong people are running our game we need a big shake up we need people that know what they are doing surely us punters have rights is it at all possible to remove the hopeless from office ie getting them all to feck cheers

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12 Mar 2013 22:03:13
Ed just noticed queens park have no game at the weekend you know why? {The Ed039's Note - Possibly because the cup final at Hamden this weekend)

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13 Mar 2013 14:05:34
the answer to Scottish footy is 3 leagues of 16 with 2 up and 2 down. Like it or lump
it, anything smaller creates complicated maths, and is very repetitive. A few Highland league and borders clubs could fill the spaces, maybe evn a couple of current junior clubs.
Scrap the pointless league cup, introduce home and away 2 leg cup ties from the 1/4 finals onwards and bring in extra time and penalties for ALL cup ties for rounds up to that on the first match (no replays).

Maybe it's not perfect but it's a damn sight better that the tripe being dished up by the SPL, SFL and SFA and some of the SP: clubs.

Wee Bill

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A 16 team league would result in only 30games being played. Surely an 18or20team league would be better to maintain roughly same amount lf domestic games per season. 20-12-10 would be a not too shabby solution!

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It works in other countries, especially where they have only one governing body.
With th gap between Celtic ( and olco Rangers ) and the other SPL clubs being so large, 30 games would make it a bit less likely for such a gap to appear, so the other 8 games or so would be meaningless except for the cach angle.

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The extra 8games -4home games could probably make or break some clubs who struggle financially

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Gents chat about this for as long as you want, but Far TOO MANY CLUBS IN SCOTLAND, it is a joke.

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My friend, if the cash from 4 home games makes or breaks you, you shouldn't be in business. Its not worth it to pander to a few hundred fans

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Why no just have 2 leagues, a 20 and a 22.
Play each other home and away, no daft splits or anything.
3 up 3 down ( play off for 3rd promotion place)
We could be really radical and play the games at 3pm on a sat.
Simples!

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The problem with 16 is you say 30 games loosing 3 home games. But there is also an argument that we play to many games and that if you play less games floating supports would still attend the same number of games so crowds might actually go up. Imagine if we had a league of 12 playing each other twice. only 11 home games. but each home game is an occasion, and could well attract bigger attendances with less money being spent over all on match day expenses.

I'm not suggesting this is the solution, but it worth noting that in the league with the higest attendance in the world (NFL) teams have only 8 home games (plus playoffs)

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13 Mar 2013 14:02:58
For those who haven't read it this is a great article and one that I hope Mr Green has read.
As a ST holder and lifetime supporter this is the future I want for my club. Sustainable, exciting and focused on development not mired in the past
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/commercial-revival-under-way-at-rangers-but-lack-of-strategy-is-stunting-football-department.20490490

Baybear

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I'm all up for debate but how can anyone possibly 'disagree' with the idea of producing quality youth players, making our club sustainable and expanding our scouting network? *shakes head in utter dismay
Have you been asleep for the past year?

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Do you think the supporters at ibrox would be happy with this? We have seen what murray park has produced, and quite frankly it is dross!

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13 Mar 2013 13:56:31
Mate texted me he heard that the blackthorn deal is around £400,000 and the Puma deal is pretty poor also. Ashley also owns 49% of Rangers merchandising. Time Green came out and answered some of this stuff. What about the £21m? why does cash seem to be so tight?

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Puma deal what Puma deal they dont
pay a penny upfront like kits used too. They make the kits and sell share profit witj CG.

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I don't know why their seems to be confusion about ashley owning 49% of the merchandise rangers and ashley set up the company that owns the merchandising rights of rangers ( Rangers Retail Limited ) the agreement was to manufacture and distribute the merchandise through sports direct with sports direct putting up a 1.5 million loan all profit made from that company will be split what can be so hard to understand about that

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@2. Not hard to understand but a big chunk of profit before Rangers see any cash

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If your mate texted you it must be true because he's a right good source!

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Usual BS, MY MATE, Yes another of my Aunt's cousins fella's brother has inside info that is fact. {The Ed039's Note - It was snowie the dug)

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Come back Snowie {The Ed039's Note - The Oracle of football rumours)

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13 Mar 2013 07:53:53
if rangers and celtic go to england, well I don't think either team will win a tittle ever again, this may sound stupid but I really want to stay in scottish football I want celtic to stay aswell

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Speaking of winning titles. Away trip to montrose anyone?!

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You could not say for certain. With the TV money on offer and the fan bases they would not be a pushover. Getting through the first couple of seasons would be the key.

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Aint going to happen,
the english don't need or want rangers and celtic and their bigoted bile coming from their supporters,
they are stuck in scotland where they belong and just have to deal with it!

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Old firm in england could win FA cup - after all oxford (3000 fans as a push) and of smaller clubs have won it.

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I think if celtic and rangers were to move to England they would be on a level par with the top few teams! Both teams would have the same tv money as the rest, they would then have the lure of EPL for the benefit of player acquisition and both teams boast a huge supporter base!
Why would they not succeed? The main reason the English don't want them there (other than the baggage both team's support carry) is that they realise they would be around the top of the EPL and challenging every season!
Celtic and rangers have huge worldwide fan bases, and would be a match for any of the big 4!
Money and EPL football would be a lure for any player to come to glasgow! Play in front of 50-60 000 every second week? Or go to some of the lower EPL clubs and play in front of 20 000?

Anyone who says the glasgow clubs wouldn't succeed, are having a laugh!

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