Rangers Banter Archive July 13 2012

13 Jul 2012 22:55:23
Heard Sky is set to pull plug next week prior this month prior to the start of the season.

Also heard there may be a deal being lined with another tv station to show away Rangers games in the SFL 3.

So.....sky are pulling the plug on showing top flight football, but another broadcaster is ploughing money into our lowest league football?

yeh....that makes sense lol!


taco

You should get a job at a major media outlet, as no one else in the country is reporting this.

Mac2.

Sky won't be pulling the plug on Scottish football next week. Am 100% on this.

Hey, the poster said this month, not this week. I have heard that also as if the start showing the beginning of the season 12/13 then they will hav egos how the whole season. The season starts in August so things will be changing at a great pace.

Yes i heard this aswell not to hard to believe rangers away games will be shown live on rangers tv.Also sky will still show SPL games as there is still 1 season left on the contract.But they will not renew after that thats why the SPL clubs wanted us put into div1.

13 Jul 2012 22:31:32
Despite today's Statement I believe Green and his consortium will be devastated at the decision as they were planning on turning the club around quickly. They now own a club which has lost one of it's main assists - the squad. They have a stadium with massive overheads and an academy to support which will not generate money. Fortunately they have the one of the biggest fan base's in the world, and only they can pull the club from this situation buy supporting them as they did at the top of the game. Also now the training academy (can't say the 'M' word) must now be the mechanism for pulling all future squads together.

You dont have anywhere near the biggest fan base in the world, in fact, it'll be even less now.
and does supporting them as they did at the top of the game mean not buying into share floatations, and hiding when the club needed saving?


taco

Taco keep having a go dont u realize that your hatred towards our club only makes us more determined to prove u wrong.

13 Jul 2012 22:18:44
RIP Scottish football

You keep making that mistake....it's RIP rangers (official)


taco

13 Jul 2012 21:36:31
"No one likes us, we don't care"
Bring it on
Cammy1250

The only one of yous that has got something bang on can we ask for you to become the new the rangers spokesman ,jodrok

13 Jul 2012 21:28:57
the 35 turkeys of the spl and sfl who today signed for xmas and signed the death warrant of scottish will rue this day what goes around comes around we will have our revenge it will be sweet but unfortunately u will be gone by then. our whole game is corrupt top to bottom

Oh, so the whole game is corrupt now because you lot have withered away and died because of your own self-inflicting actions....yet when celtic claim bias and favouritism, we're all paranoid and delusional?

you are right though....the sfa is corrupt, reagan has proven as much, but get a f'ckin grip


taco

True, but then who are we to shout about corruption that's why we're here today
Bobby

So 35 clubs out of 42 will be gone when you get your revenge.

Doesn't make sense.

Grow up and stop being spiteful.

Mac2.

How will you have revenge if the other clubs are gone? Will you be turning up to see Rangers train at Ibrox every Saturday because there will be no opposition?

If Scottish football dies, Rangers - in whatever form - die too. Totally. Be careful what you wish for.

13 Jul 2012 21:18:24
The biggest and most successful club in Scotland will still be, due to the reduction in season ticket prices which will bring in the crowds. I for one don't mind shelling out 80-100 quid per year. Ibrox will now have more season ticket holders than any other club in Scotland, probably more than the total of all the other SPL teams apart from Celtic.

However at the opposite side of the city, from what I've have heard is that numerous supporters at the piggery are not renewing their season books. I have even heard that the sales team is trying to sell it by saying there will be a scheduled game against the most successful team in Scotland in the form of a friendly to compensate for the missed old firm games. This is ironic, in that you need your rival to gain commercial profit. However we are a new club, we have no association with you, we are not part of a firm be it old or new.

The new Rangers will progress and become stronger from the inside out. There was a rotten fest brewing within the old co and had been for years. Scottish football had also been leaning heavily on this too and will soon be gone in the form of administration or liquidation.

Rangers will now be a club that promotes youth and develops from the grass roots of Scottish football. The true value and potential of Murray park will now be reached.

Having our history dissolved means we have no good or bad history, but we are a new club, we do things differently now. However at the opposite end of the city, you may have your history intact for the trophies and success. But the shameful events that went on (which about) are still associated with that club.

No Rangers supporters old and new, let us begin to create this new revolution, support the team, be a Ibrox, be a new Ranger.

Think we should seriously get behind rangers at the home games. Can you imagine the scenario and humour of a DIV 3 Team outstripping all but one of the SPL teams home attendance figures for the season overall.

The chase begins, and as Bill Struth said we welcome it.

Glad to let you know that the champions and the biggest club in Scotland have sold 48000 STs so far which is up on this time last season, You haven't a hope in hell of selling more than 5000 STs at the Asbestos Arena so go and have a wee lie down. As they say a diddy team for a diddy league and sevco are that team.

Christ!! Where did you do your research to write this load of p@sh? Haha.

That has to be the biggest load of cobblers on here for ages.Celtics season ticket take up rate is around the same as this time last year(42k ish).Why would we need a friendly against a team who are three weeks old? A team from the third division? Be much better watching Inter Milan or Ajax,maybe even Real Madrid.Enjoy your friendly clash with Stirling Albion though.

Un-named poster i agree with a few of your points but you are mostly talking s***, first of all to expect to get a season ticket for 80 quid when your club is in dire need of funds isn' much of a supporter to me. Your point about the team from across the city not selling season tickets ? can only speak for me and my mates and we've all renewed(wouldn't miss the banter of this up coming season at any price) to suggest we want to play a minnow from div 3 in a friendly to boost the coffers i couldn't see sevco agreeing to that 6or7 nil hammering they would receive. Your next point was where you admitted in your own words a "rotten fest brewing" within the oldco, wouldn't say it was brewing but has been there for as long as i can remember and i'm 44. Your old club was a shameful organisation, hope when you come back your a bit more humble, but i sadly doubt it.......Stevie

Be a ibrox????

yeh, that statement kinda sums up your whole statement.....clueless, confusing and psychotic.

if you honestly believe sevco will have 40K+ season tickets holders this coming year, you should seek medical attention immediately!

oh, and by the way, you obviously missed the wee news snippet about spl clubs (champions included) showing a slight increase in season ticket sales, or does that not suit your festering agenda?
now sit back and watch those season ticket sales soar in the spl now that justice has been served;)


taco

Hate to burst your bubble but Celtic have so far sold 47,000 season books.

Mac2.

13 Jul 2012 20:56:37
Who do people think will captain the gers? My money is on either mcculloch or broadfoot.

Watp

Never broadfoot he couldny lead his way out of straight corridor

13 Jul 2012 21:07:34
im sick of hearing that scottish football will die and at the same time even from the same poster that the next tittle for the new co will be ther 54 you are deludid or you genuenly dont know how this works i dont know what the future holds but i do know that in my lifetime and yours you will hear about it at every game so get your radio ear plugs couse it will be deafining

Rant over? Think you'll find its title number 55 and still going strong !

Well shout away if you like we are still the worlds most successful club and will be back up in spl in a few years to meet you and the rest of the sinking ship, and for your information we have 54 titles so will be going for 55

@2: when if the newco Rangers wins the SPL it will be title number 1.

We have 54 titles. don't know what a tittle is.

13 Jul 2012 20:22:18
"Rangers has been handed the ultimate punishment of starting again from the bottom of the leagues, but there is an overwhelming feeling among fans and within the club of 'wiping the slate clean' as a club free of sanctions.

Charles Greene.

The decision to start again in the 3rd Division is not a punishment. Any new football club, whether Rangers, Celtic, Raith or Elgin City have to start at the bottom.....it's part of the regulations.
Rangers are the same as Elgin City.....as Manchester United are to Crewe.....they are a football club....size does not matter.

The decision to ask other clubs to decide Rangers fate was wrong. It just shows how pitifull the governing bodies of Scottish are? They are not blame....the other 39 clubs are......
Thankfully this is the end of the matter. Rangers fate was not the cause of any other club in Scotland....it lies totally in the hands of Murray and Whyte.....they caused your demise....no one else.

Good luck for the future.

I really hope this is the end of the matter and the SFA doesn't ponce about with new structures or give Club12 to Rangers. I hope Rangers refuse that if offered it.

You werent punished or demoted to Div 3, the rangers fc were granted a place in Div 3 from nowhere! You were actually promoted to Div 3, when will yous finally understand it! The only punishments due are the transfer embargo and fine!

13 Jul 2012 20:13:56
seems to me the "fear" has now hit home, clubs in scotland are bricking themselves over thier future now we are in div 3! the term have your cake and eat springs to mind- im fairly sure now every chairman in the top flight are running to the spl wanting the spl1 and 2 scenario to happen- sporting integrity? more like biting the hand that feeds you!!
stg

Well what did you think would happen let's just leave them in the spl they done no wrong what about airdrie Livingston Gretna they were punished by the rule book but let's keep the mighty gers in they run the show just forget about it not there fault integrity won in the end I am just amazed of the lack of balls shown by the morons who run our game

Comments from Inverness seem to concur.

Has nobody ever wondered how things would be if Rangers or Celtic played so badly they weren't in the SPL anyway? IS the SPL saying "Oh it's Old Firm so they don't get relegated"? WIll there be pressure on clubs at the end of the season to let the Old Firm win "for the sake of Scottish football"?

No2 but here lies the problem, if you read between the lines these chairmen had no integrity,what was supposed to happen via Mr Reagan never transpired due to the integrity of the SFL and now a lot of people aren't happy,Rangers in the 3 for me, but I feel Reagan and Doncaster have to go ,we must have better people out there than this surely

13 Jul 2012 20:06:37
At least now we know where we stand time to move on .dont think boycotting others is the answer do we really want our teams constantly playing away games with no support.we will come back from this hopefully better off for the experience .yes these teams need rangers but we need them just as much.

13 Jul 2012 19:54:44
Just a thought - Has a team from Div3 ever won the Scottish cup ! {Ed039's Note - One step at a time lol)

Queens Park are a 3rd division side and have won the cup 10 times but obviously not as a 3rd division team. What a pity professional football took off.

One step at a time. First we need some players and then we can think about the big haddock and chips cup. Look on the bright side only undefeated club in the world.

I was thinking that. Wouldn't it be great if Rangers won the cup!

"Look on the bright side only undefeated club in the world."

lol, i do like that mate....good attitude:)


taco

13 Jul 2012 19:38:48
Do you think Rangers TV will show all of Rangers games in SFL 3? {Ed039's Note - Who knows, buy a season ticket, it wont be difficult and wont cost much lol)

I have a season ticket have had for last 3 years im only 19 before you ask why not had season ticket before then, anyway if Rangers TV can get the away games that would be good as I cant afford many away games with travel and all that

Also important for all Gers living outside the UK. Being on the other side of the planet doesn't stop me from screaming at the telle.

13 Jul 2012 19:38:05
Like most bears for years I have been wanting to exit Scottish football, today i am just thank ful they will hav us. How times have changed!

13 Jul 2012 19:32:31
Good to read so many posts about moving on. However I doubt this is the end of the matter - just read the ICT chairman's statement following the SFL decision. He's basically slagging the SFL for "getting it wrong" - The best thing that could happen now is for SKY to pull out and force all teams to live within their means - if it is managed carefully, no team needs to go out of business [possibly a few admins] and should see all getting back to living within their means. Still beleive this could be the best thing to happen for Scottish football.
We do need to get rid of the idiots that wanted us to continue to tie ourselves to the "money men" - SPL/SFA heads must roll. Good luck to all teams next season. Let's rebuild our reputation as a nation.

13 Jul 2012 19:30:56
in the past year or 2 many fans were starting to desert teams as the quality of football on offer was poor the old firm were nothing special

13 Jul 2012 19:29:27
Blah, Blah, Rangers men S.T.F.U.... Murray wanted Ayr before us, Whyte nuff said, The Blue s**tes, Watty and his vanishing millionaires, Bomber fronting con men one week and screaming for clarity the next..who are your backers... no telling.
We ALL cheered on the marquee signings and badge kissers never asking where the money came from or went to. To those who say i`m no giving C.G. a penny keep it WE dont want it, to those who say i`ll no be back WE will keep your seat warm for when we return to the top flight. Owners, Managers, Players come and go..WE REMAIN...its OUR club so stop the s**te. To the gloaters fire in. Our situation is what it is lets get on with it.Lets concentrate on a squad, kit and maybe add a phoenix to the crest, building a family club to be proud of and all the other issues. Onwards and Upwards.

13 Jul 2012 19:14:14
as a rangers fan i will not step foot in any away ground. my sky has also be cancelled, if all Rangers fans do this then it will take down teams like Aberdeen. vote with our money and we will see how they all get on.

Dougie RFC {Ed039's Note - Then there will be no league for RFC to play in when they make their way back then, folk like you are exactly whats wrong with our club and I make no apologies for telling you so)

Mate find somewhere else to go on a Saturday afternoon. A civil war is the last thing we need.

Well said Ed,this is a new era for our club
and they need our support now more than
ever so lets get behind them at every game
home or away,as you say this boycott attitude shows us in bad light,we can help ourselves and Scottish football on our way back,this is also a chance to rid ourselves of the bigot and sectarian label
a new start for all and a future to look forward to for our younger fan members.
AJM

13 Jul 2012 19:07:10
pity rangers didnt call meetings when they started having money problems ,rangers had to go to div 3 or go out of business .so please dont be critical of other teams who are being pro active

Proactive? Holding a meeting concerning how Rangers going to Division 3 would directly affect their clubs finances PRIOR to the decision being made (we knew yesterday it was a no-goer as seventeen SFL clubs had openly stated they were voting for Div3) would have been proactive. What is happening now is referred to as fire-fighting and all it proves is that the SPL chairmen (not the individual currently being hung out to dry incidentally, but the people he represents) were overly confident that the SFL clubs would capitulate and comply with the demands of the SPL. They clearly assumed that the 'potential' (it was never cast iron guaranteed which may have been the problem as it has been promised before without being delivered) of league reconstruction combined with a 'potentially' more even distribution of wealth would be enough to safeguard the SKY deal, get Rangers back in the SPL within a year and avoid the risk of losing valuable league and individual sponsorship whilst at the same time saving face with their own support. After all, that way they would not even have made the ultimate decision themselves and the SFL/SFA could take all the flak for Rangers getting into Division 1 via the back door. A very 'cunning plan' as Baldrick would say.

Unfortunately for them it clearly hasn't gone according to plan, otherwise these meetings wouldn't be occurring due to the chairmen having already calculated how to proceed in the event of today's findings. It has clearly came as a shock to them and now reality is setting in.

I said on here last week that I was really surprised that the SPL had actually voted on the matter at all rather than delaying their decision until after the SFL had reached a consensus on where Rangers would fit within their leagues, if at all. It was putting all their eggs in one basket and has proven to be a very risky manoeuvre. It could even have turned out worse for the top eleven (and us obviously); the SFL could have said 'no' altogether to the first question. It also seemed inconceivable to me that the Div2 and 3 teams would voluntarily vote in favour of Division One and miss out on the opportunity to secure their own TV deals (albeit probably short lived), have their stadia filled twice a year and receive enough media attention that there would be the possibility to increase local sponsorship at a greater price than normal unless they were being compensated handsomely to do so. They will probably make more money in one season than they have done, minus a decent cup run, in the past five and these financially austere clubs certainly know how to make money last - they are run on a shoestring.

However, I obviously did misread/misunderstand the second question. I understood it to mean that if the clubs voted 'yes' to the first vote that the SFL board then made the decision as to where Rangers would be placed (not the clubs) and Division One would be inevitable. Either that was not the case or the carrot simply wasn't to the size or standard that the SFL board/clubs wished it to be.

Now we have the Dunfermline chairman intimating that come Monday there may be a third team in the equation when the decision is reached regards who Team 12 will be as it is still Rangers share that is at stake and an additional rumour that an SPL2 is in the pipeline for as soon as the 2013/14 season.

If they do the sums over the weekend and come to the conclusion that 'financial armageddon' (for them as individual clubs) is looming with Rangers in Div3 then who knows what will happen on Monday. The ball is now well and truly back in the court of the SPL chairmen and they have no get out of jail free cards or fall guys left to use/abuse.

For me the correct decision HAS been reached today, as no team should receive preferential treatment, especially when a precedent has already been set, but how many of the SPL chairmen will still see it that way come Monday if they are genuinely facing administration themselves?

Personally I am really looking forward to visiting these teams as it will be something different to the norm. Peterhead is only twenty odd miles past Aberdeen anyway so the distances aren't vastly different than what we are used to. I will also now be able to afford to buy my two young sons season tickets as they won't be quite as expensive as they are now.

I also want the SPL to let it lie and hope that their own supporters can tide them over until we earn our place back. I don't want to see any other team go under financially (unlike some of my fellow supporters - I can understand why they do), but it is certainly a lot more likely following today's result. Only two weeks to go yet I have a feeling that this fiasco is far from finished yet. Let it remain Division 3.

Brian

13 Jul 2012 19:02:00
More than ever we all need galvanise and get behind the Gers. Green at the momment is the only option, seems to be sticking with us. Not many people would still put money into a team playing in the 3rd div.

I for one will be buying a season ticket. may not make all the games but club needs the money and the support. BORN A BLUENOSE, DIE A BLUENOSE!

13 Jul 2012 18:51:54
Anyone read Regan's statement? Ambiguous at best.

13 Jul 2012 18:47:50
Cheer up its not all bad news At Peterhead at least

What Is It Like For Visiting Supporters?
David Gray informs me; 'The Balmoor Stadium is a friendly place where away fans are always made welcome. There is normally no segregation, so opposing fans are always able to mix with each other'. Fred McIntosh a visiting Forfar fan adds; 'On my last visit there was a form of segregation in force, as Forfar fans were directed to far side of one stand but it was not very strictly enforced. Food now includes a fish pie at £1.50, which was very good!'. However, remember to wrap up well, as the ground itself is quite exposed and there is normally a cold biting wind coming off the North Sea.

Might not be as friendly when we arrive, travelling support seems to garner a lot of nutters. {Ed039's Note - This is a chance to get rid of this mornic element attached to our club)

Ed it could be the opposite happens. A lot of bears were disgruntled before this happened we have been way short of Rangers class for years,still won the league 3 years on the trot tells you more about the league than Rangers.
Sorry to say it but last class player in SPL was Larsson. {Ed039's Note - Absoloutley right mate, I just hope thats all)

13 Jul 2012 18:39:31
1 year in D3, back in SPL next season as part of a league restructure. You can bet on it.

13 Jul 2012 18:28:42
a french man Is over to buy us. What do you know about this?

13 Jul 2012 18:22:01
I have been on this site saying that I wouldn't be back at Ibrox despite going since the 60s. Now that crunch time has come and we have been put in Div 3, as we should, I have changed my mind and will still be supporting Rangers (newco, not new club) at Ibrox next year. However, if the monkeys in charge of the SPL clubs try to shoehorn us into a new SPL2 on Monday, I will not be going back. According to other sites, that person journalist, Thomson, is quoting Reagan as saying at the meeting today, that Rangers will not start in Div 3, which if true, I will not support Rangers for the benefit of other clubs who just want to use us as a cash machine and a punchbag. Green has to decline any invitation to start anywhere but Div 3. Inverness board are having an emergency meeting to consider the consequences of the SFL decision, virtually blaming them for the SPL clubs' lack of finance and sponsors. We must stay in Div 3 and build again.

Jackie

Changed your mind once and you will do it again. Green has you by the short and curlies.

13 Jul 2012 17:59:16
Could someone do me a favour and inform me on all the players who have stayed, even from the reserves and u19s...

13 Jul 2012 17:57:06
Still thing that there's something fishy about this Ramsdens Cup business...... WATP

Could be a 'red herring'. I'll get ma coat...

13 Jul 2012 17:51:59
AMCoist:

"The people who brought shame on
this great Club are no longer part
of it and everyone at Rangers is
focused on rebuilding the club on
top of a solid financial foundation.

We need to ensure "the people" are
also identified as many had their
hands in the till and said nothing while
our club died....shame for sure

Yes and there are some still working at ibrox who knew what was going on .

Well said Ally. Good luck to yourself, Charles Green and every member of staff at Ibrox for the coming season. You will have my support all the way!

13 Jul 2012 17:50:33
Just to nip this potential fantasy in the bud before some of you allow it to bloom.

No you wont be the first to do it.

Dumbarton F.C Honours:


Scottish Football League:
Winners (2): 1890�91,[2] 1891�92

Scottish First Division[3]:
Winners (2): 1910�11, 1971�72
Runners-up (2): 1907�08, 1983�84

Scottish Second Division:
Winners (1): 1991�92
Runners-up (1): 1994�95
Play-Off Winners (1): 2011�12

Scottish Third Division:
Winners (1): 2008�09
Runners-up (1): 2001�02

Gaz {Ed039's Note - Gaz I am sorry this isnt attached a comment, it is a new post, can you fill me in please)

Ed I've been talking to Rangers fan friends and reading some Gers fans claiming that they would make history by being the first club to win all Scottish divisions, one guy elsewhere saying first in the world. Alas Dumbarton have won them all already. Sorry if I didn't explain it well, jumping the gun. A pre-emptive factoid lol.
Gaz

@1 must have been in another universe when dumbarton won the spl as i,m sure that would have received worldwide news coverage on this planet

Gaz.
Thanks for the useless piece of information mate. The post you are referring to was talking about winning the three league titles in a row.
Therefore the "potential fantasy" is still viable. Yet more misinformed facts from the dark side. Just leave us alone to continue our history.
P.O.B.

P.O.B I wasn't basing this on any previous post, I hadn't seen one relating to it (the term pre-emptive factoid should have been your clue for that). The day the SPL voted Rangers out a mate posted it to me. Like me no doubt, he was convinced, that an element of the Gers support would find some swaggering way of going through the divisions, be it winning 114 league games in a row, a four consecutive division run, you name it, all typical "mighty Rangers" nonsense. Moreso for a team who erm...really doesn't have a team at the moment. So with regards one of the potential milestones out there I thought I would do you all the favour of finding out it would not alas make history as Dumbarton had already done it, so it's not a misinformed fact (as I said it's a "pre-emptive factoid").

As for 2) look at the records stated, Dumbarton won the Scottish League title twice, that's the old Division one (Scotland's top division at the time), a league Rangers have won many times, or do we really make your 54 titles down to 7? a very silly remark number 2, tut tut.
Gaz

Gaz your the one being stupid up until the formation of the spl the first division was the furthest any team could climb in scottish football. now the spl is. The first division is still there...mark.

13 Jul 2012 17:42:34
ICT stating that this is a sad day for Scottish football and this will have major effect on finances. It really is unbelievable that they are putting the blame on SFL clubs. Pity they didn't think about that when voting. They clearly thought the SFL clubs would get them out of this mess that was caused by the 700 of their vans that made them vote in the manner they did. Pass the buck merchants.

Hope all those filled with hatred will now realise the effect of their pathetic actions.

All the bitterness has shown just what a big club RANGERS are ,one of my boyhood heroes for wednesday wee willie henderson,ex Glasgow rangers player ,always been my team north of the border ever since. Rangers fans you are the ones to take your great club forward keep the faith and good luck.

What a hpocrite that guy is. Won't be shedding many tears if ICT go into administration.

Mentioned before that when/if these teams go t*ts up, the chairmen of their respective clubs will play their 'joker' and blame the fans for the state of their clubs, by saying "It's what you voted for".

13 Jul 2012 17:29:50
Finally the uncertainty can stop and we can look forward to a new season of football. Personally I'm delighted its division three, I'm ready to renew my season ticket and show support for the club under Charles Greene.

GovanFR

This man has stood by our beloved club, through s**te and does not do the walking away just like the so called badge kissers. if he wants to sell then sell but he deserves credit. {Ed039's Note - I am starting to agree with this now)

All fans should unite now, stop bickering and buy season tickets. Rangers need us more than ever and it's time to follow follow.

13 Jul 2012 17:10:56
alright lads im glad its finally been decided and i think in my humble opinion its the only and correct decision considering what previous owners of ur club done not the fans! i for one will miss old firm games and the title battles and watcing use lose in europe lol! i hope use can get back to somewhere like the club use once were but i think its gonna be a long and hard road but all the best and ur club needs u more now than it did when it was on top

13 Jul 2012 17:00:30
This decision of Div3 could actually work out in your favour. 3rd div attendances must be one of the worse in world football, therefor you lot could buy all the extra ticket, make it like a home game. We all know how important having the majority support, & when you reach Div one, your history might actually be
Div 3......Promoted......Unbeaten.
Div 2......Promoted.......Unbeaten.
Surely that must be a feat not achieved anywhere, back to back promotions & unbeaten. Still a bit to do to beat the all time longest winning streak.....
108 - ASEC Abidjan (Ivory Coast) 1989-1994

JollyGreenGiant

Totally agree, Their is nothing more dangerous on this earth than a wounded anima l/ It may make them more reckless, but it instils a backbone that is difficult to beat. We are in Div 3 . but now is the the time for unity. From the ashes I new dawn awaits for all Rangers supporters. We are Rangers. proud and unrelentless. WATP.

13 Jul 2012 16:52:00
I am an English born Everton fan but my Mother and grandparents etc are all from Glasgow, so Rangers has been a team i have followed closely all my life.

I genuinely feel for all you Rangers fans out there. A truly ridiculous decision to demote you down so many leagues. Its not going to benefit Scottish football what so ever.

All the best for next season and hope to see you back where you belong in the not to distant future.

Alastair

13 Jul 2012 16:42:41
Rangers are in SFL3 due in part to a complete absence of friends. Clubs are infuriated when they see OF jersey's in their local streets and towns.
I have never understood why fans do not support the community in which they were born,schooled,work and live.
As Kenny Shiels said people from Kilmarnock should support Kilmarnock,Motherwell support Motherwell etc.

It is ironic that Rangers with vast resources
and having sucked finances from other towns should end up liquidated. Could not make ends meet on £50m pa.
Living the dream

And here's me thinking this is a democratic country, in which I as a individual have the right to choose what I buy, how I vote etc but because of my locale im not allowed to choose what team I support, sorry pal but a GER is for life and not just for Christmas .

And what sheils says, goes eh! We as individuals have the right to support who we want. end of.

It's because people are given choices in life, who they support, where they work/live etc. I was born in Glasgow but live in Kilmarnock and work in Ayr. Who should i support?? Not everybody in Kilmarnock who wears a killie top goes to rugby park you know. Maybe they should spend a little time and effort on persuading them to follow their team - as i follow mine - Div 3, I'll be there. {Ed039's Note - I take exception to Shiels comments, I live in Fort William and support Rangers as I was born in Glasgow and my dad/grandad etc etc all supported Rangers. I didnt wake up one day and think Rangers are winning so I will support them, my days of supporting Rangers were pre 9 in a row, if I was a glory hunter I would be supporting Aberdeen or Dundee United)

Of course it's a democracy that's why we are in division3. The guy is not questioning your right to support what team you want just asking why you have rejected your local team a valid question.

The defensive reply 1 is absolutely correct he can support what team he wants. It would be interesting to know why he does not support his local team "Glory hunter?"

If you were a glory hunter you would support "Dundee United" 1 league title 30 years ago 2 Scottish and 2 League cup wins. With the exception of the Fergie years Aberdeen's record is rubbish.
Glory hunters do not follow teams other than the OF. {Ed039's Note - FFS)

Wonder how many will travel from Fort William to watch "highland league" football at Ibrox. Get a life Ed. {Ed039's Note - You obviously know nothing, there alot more going to be travelling from here than you think, or maybe just more than what you want to believe)

Listen I have been to Fort William and can understand why ed wants to escape down to Govan. {Ed039's Note - lol)

To the reply 3, your allegiance was probably forged before moving to Kilmarnock. You obviously cannot go to many away games in the 3rd division so why not nip along and give your adopted town's team support and much needed finance. It would be tragic if teams like Kilmarnock and Motherwell went the same way as us.

ED 39 , I despair at this glory hunter tag, if you don't support the local team where you reside your called a glory hunter, should we in your opinion ban sales of English premier ship football tops in the country then ? As the vast number of kids that wear them? Why must a reason be given to support your team that you've supported all your days,through good times and bad , will prospective supporters now be vetted to make sure they fit the correct criteria before they are allowed to support the team of their own choosing? Where does it stop? Sorry ED 39 , but this type of your not allowed to support your team because you may not have been born,raised,reside, worked, their just annoys me. {Ed039's Note - I hoep you're not thinking I said that, if you read my post I am very much against that opinion and I am sorry if it sounded otherwise)

Not at all ED 39 I got your view totally ,no need for apologies, it was one of the other posters that gave me this viewpoint. {Ed039's Note - Thanks, I thought I had worded my statement wrong)

I am an ACCIES fan and this Glory hunters denial is complete humbug. With the exception of Celtic Rangers have won more honours tan the aggregate of all the other clubs.
Why support Accies or Well or Killie and if you are lucky wait years to see your club have their day. Far easier to jump in a car and go off to watch one of the big two.
I feel for the Queen of the South fans who waited a lifetime to see their team play in a cup final and come up against a team that beat them 3-2 that was financed by skullduggery. No sporting integrity that day.

At 9. Post 3 here, There is no way i could follow Kilmarnock, its simple - i've no allegiance or passion for them. You're right I started following Rangers from when i can remember, late 60's if memory serves right (i was about 6) and have followed them ever since. Through the good and bad times and now through the worst of times i've always been at Ibrox. The passion for Rangers though is still there and burns bright - I could/would NEVER follow another team. You will find that our fans will all feel the same as me. Rangers or Nobody.

13 Jul 2012 16:20:51
I am glad this has all been sorted out now, i feel sorry for the behind the scene staff at Rangers i can see mass redundancys next week there is no way all the staff can stay now there wont be the wages to pay them.

If possible I'd like to see the RFF make some kind of redundancy to anyone whose employment is terminated in the coming days. Saying that I daresay they'll have discovered new ways to waste that money much of it raised by bears convinced it would be put to better use!

@1 brilliant idea a few quid for any non playing staff/coaching staff laid as a result of all this deserve a pay out from RFFF .

This decision was not made by representatives of Rangers Fc. So therfore I suggest you take this up with those that did?

Rangers didnt make this decision but they forced it on everyone else

13 Jul 2012 16:19:56
And it starts already, Inverness holding an emergency meeting regarding their finances, source SSN. They made their bed so to speak, all I can say is form an orderly queue behind us.
Sporting integrity I think it's called.

Absolutely correct, they tried to put problem on SFL and that has backfired on them big time. ICT the first, expect Kilmarnock to be next.

Well well well hoping other teams go to the wall because the mighty rangers have been accordingly punished u made ur bed now off to Peterhead u go lol

@2 dont know where your loyalties lie however I have an idea. Lets talk, Celtic in all this, will it affect them, maybe not this season.Will the big derby against St Mirren fill parkhead and will they be able to sign big players, doubt it. You and all the others were deluded to believe everything was going to be green and rosie without Rangers in the SPL.
Me, I cant wait to start travelling to far flung small grounds, lots of laughs and banter along the way, roll on division 3.

@2. Thats not what is being said, These teams have come out and said that they will be in dire financial straits if Rangers end up in Div3. We're just pointing out the obvious, nothing more.

13 Jul 2012 16:19:33
During Q & A session during SFL meeting, Green told them that SFA had told him that membership would only be granted if they got D1 entry. Source: BBC

13 Jul 2012 16:17:05
Who thinks Charlie Boy will be around if someone offers him 6.5 Million now?
Lost the players money when they jumped ship. Now he has lost the chance of 40,000 season ticket holders at last years prices.
I think we might have some bids in at weekend.

YesK ,bigger offers for the land.What a 'snip' he got Ibrox,Murray Park and car aprk-----1.5million.Best buy ever.Tesco,Asda etc will be envious at that deal.As long as he doesn't do walking away with the lolloy,we'll be ok. {Ed039's Note - I think Asda will be OK with the site they have in govan mate)

@ reply 1

Don't forget that the land at Ibrox is zoned for planning purposes to be a football stadium, and nothing else.

Does anyone really think that Glasgow City Council would be brave enough to allow planning permission for a change of use, to residential or retail?

This is the sort of Golden Ticket that protects Ibrox from being sold for redevelopment.

But the bad news is that a mate pointed out to me earlier today that there was a similar situ re Cathkin Park (Third Lanark) and that is why the land there remains a "ghost stadium" and has never been redeveloped.

13 Jul 2012 16:12:13
Charles Green, Chief Executive of The Rangers Football Club, said:

"We are grateful to be accepted as members of the SFL and accept their decision to vote us into Division 3.

"It is a matter of regret for all of us involved with Rangers that the issues surrounding the Club resulted in the SFL and its members being placed in a very difficult position not of their own making.







"From the outset, we made clear we would play where we were told to play and we just want to get back to playing football.

"This decision maintains the sporting integrity that clubs and fans across Scotland have been calling for but it also impacts massively on Scottish football as a whole and only time will tell what the consequences will be.

"Rangers has been handed the ultimate punishment of starting again from the bottom of the leagues but there is an overwhelming feeling among fans and within the Club of 'wiping the slate clean' as a club free of sanctions.

"The people who brought shame on this great Club are no longer part of it and everyone at Rangers is focused on rebuilding the club on top of a solid financial foundation.

"We wish to play a constructive part in Division 3 and encourage our fans to support the other clubs within the league by attending matches and delivering to them the benefits of having Rangers within their league.

"We have been greatly encouraged by the number of supporters who have committed to buying season tickets no matter where we ended up playing and I personally want to thank them for their continued loyalty to the club.

"We are a football club and we just want to get back to playing football. Now is the time to move on and start afresh."

"Our task to rebuild the Club will take longer now but we are committed to the job and fully believe we will bring success back to Rangers.

Manager Ally McCoist said: "I fully accept the decision of the SFL today and thank them for allowing us into the SFL.

"Clearly, starting again from the bottom league is not ideal and makes the task of rebuilding Rangers a longer one but the SFL was placed in an impossible situation and I respect its decision.

"I fully supported the fans views that starting again in Division 3 maintains the sporting integrity that the SPL clubs were so keen on.

"The SPL clubs and the SFA have made their positions clear over the last few weeks and it remains to be seen what the long term effects of their decisions will be.

"Rangers has been severely punished for the actions of some individuals who previously ran the Club and it will take time for us to recover but we will come back stronger thanks to the loyalty of the fans and the commitment of everyone at Ibrox who are working tirelessly to bring stability and success back to Rangers."

"I will be carefully monitoring events and reactions over the new few days and will be making further comments probably early next week."

Well said Ally good to hear the positive words of a true leader. Your trials will only make you stronger, more knowledgeable and ultimately more powerful. I salute you sir.
Ozzie Al

13 Jul 2012 15:53:09
First game is away to Peterhead on 11th August.

13 Jul 2012 15:40:40
I was at Ibrox the day that Partick Thistle beat Celtic in the League Cup final, I think we were playing East Fife, but I may be wrong on that count, I think there was about 7000 fans at Ibrox that day. I remember sitting in the main stand when they announced the half time score at Hampden. It was the biggest and only cheer of that day. That was a period in our history when we were useless and there was nobody sitting within twenty yards in all directions.

That is what we are about to be faced with again and I wonder how many of those wishing for div three will turn up to watch this rubbish. I spent much of last season, due to business, watching Queens Park and you have no idea just how bad it is. I have been a season ticket holder for forty years and I will renew one of my two tickets next year, just to support my team in their hour of need, but I will not be at any game.

If you people think that 40000 will turn up every second week you are clearly deluded. We will be lucky to get 15000 at a much lower ticket price, that is what RST and RSA wanted. They have asked for the demise of the club, and guess what they have got it.

If SFA and SPL boards should be removed due to total incompetence, as they should be, then one lesson is that RST and RSA should be removed immediately. These two have shown throughout this debacle that they are not fit for purpose. At every turn they have caused more problems every time they open their mouths.

What price now for Green to accept any bid ?

I think If The Rangers are clever with the pricing of tickets, they'd get a decent crowd at ibrox. Might not sell a great deal of season tickets but i think there would be a lot willing to pay at the gate. I for one will try to attend as many as i can if im not working.
Cummon The Rangers.

While I think there will be a defiant Rangers reaction to this initially and fans turning up in their droves at the beginning, one attendance last year caught my eye and it doesn't bode well for the years to come. 28,828. The attendance v Malmo last August, a shockingly poor crowd given it was a Champions League qualifier. A beautiful sunny night if I remember. So what chance a near capacity crowd v East Stirling on a wet cold Wednesday night in January? None whatsoever. Any Rangers fan expecting anywhere near a 40,000 average home gate is seriously deluded.
Gaz {Ed039's Note - I dont expect anywhere near that number but bigger crowds than some doubters have posted anyway)

Everyone should pay at gate..... will aloow us the oppurtunity to gauge what will be happening in next few months ,, think if we all buy seaon tickets on mass now {Green hopes} he and hsi coop will disappear wiht money etc before December.

Ed Gaz again, I've stated before in here that 28,000-32,000 would be a remarkable achievement. Above that at the beginning and end and tapering off a bit in the middle (winter plus novelty value wearing off.) {Ed039's Note - I agree with that Gaz, even 15-20,000 people at Ibrox in the 3rd division would be an achievement)

I agree a weekly crowd of 15-20000 a week would be great. I to remember the days with small crowds however this is different. We where trying to win the league against Celtic, Aberdeen and Dundee utd all really good teams.

The players that left would have cost us nearly 200,000 a week. Players @ Peterhead are on around 250 a week. Naismith, Davis and Lafferty could fund a full squad for the journey all the way to the SPL. So lets not get down we will be the second most supported team in Scotland without the salaries. Things will even out.

Fully expect to be playing at Peterhead in 4 weeks with no extra punishment, a full squad of young and old players and if Green is switched on he will do a Fergus when we reach the SPL and who could blame him.

P.S Who would bet on someone doing a T.V deal watching us back to the SPL. More money hopefully to the SFL clubs who made the right choice today.

Teddy Bear

13 Jul 2012 15:37:51
This is the result I wanted allows Rangers start from scratch with our dignity back! All I can say in a few ears from now Rangers will be back stronger than we have been for the last 10years but the rest of scottish football will not recover from this loss of revenue and major down scalling! I would however ask for all Rangers fans to get behind Stenhousemuir lets give them a sell out every week instead of going to rangers away games this season! Atleast give respect to the one team in the country who had the guts to come out and say we dont like it but its the best thing for scottish football is for Rangers to be in SFL 1 and the sad thing is that is the case but from a Rangers point of view Im glad were starting in SFL 3 just so we can go with scottish football new buzz word of "sporting integrity"

13 Jul 2012 15:22:02
Ed or anyone can you clear this up if you know, can we play in the Scottish cup and the league cup? and also I know it will either be dunfermline or dundee who replace us in the spl but who moves up for SFL 3 and 2? {Ed039's Note - All that will be clarified in a press release, I think it will prob be Stranraer to Div 2 and Airdrie to Div 1, but I havent seen anything being confirmed yet)

13 Jul 2012 15:20:00
RANGERS' future remains uncertain after the Scottish Football League clubs voted against the Light Blues playing in the First Division next season.

At a meeting at Hampden today, the 30 member clubs agreed to accept Rangers into the SFL but voted against the SFL Board being allowed to broker a deal with the SPL and SFA over new structures and procedures which would also include Rangers playing in Division One.

Source: RFC website

13 Jul 2012 15:11:39
clydesdale bank not renewing spl contract says theres no point now.

13 Jul 2012 14:56:29
Come on Bears div 3 next year really time to get behind OUR team as we work our way thro leagues and back to where we belong,WATP

That is right, I personally am looking forward to the challenge, let’s build a team of young home grown players and come back bigger and stronger. This is the time we will see if …follow follow means just when there winin.

It would be amazing to see 50,000 at the first home game of the season. {Ed039's Note - I hope for good numbers, but I am not predicting a sell out)

13 Jul 2012 14:44:31
Reacting to the SFL decision, Green says he hopes to get into SPL2. he says he understands SFA and SPL have plan to invite Rangers and D1 teams into new set up.

Looks as though this isn't over yet...... {Ed039's Note - I wish it was, I dont want any favours, any special treatment, I want 11 players on a pitch next season and to play football)

Ed, you clearly have not had the misfortune to watch div three, it can barely be described as football. {Ed039's Note - Clearly not, but I play Sunday league which is more of a scrap than the beautiful game but we still call it Sunday league football)

As far as Green is concerned it's all about the sales price.

Green says he hopeto get into SPL2. Last week, he said he would accept the decision of SFL. Boy changes his tune every time he speaks. I for one hope someone makes him an offer that he can't refuse!

13 Jul 2012 14:20:19
Div 3 it is bears! Ssn

13 Jul 2012 14:16:23
Got our wish...Div Three it is...for the new season Bill

Is your wish to watch trash for four years with the likelihood that we won't survive the four years?

Not what I wanted!

Get on the phone and buy your season ticket then. Or are you just their when times ere good.

13 Jul 2012 08:18:16
Morning Ed. Yes, I know I said I wouldn't post again, but couldn't resist it as I view the comments everyday. I've got over my hissy fit now! Just a legal point on the transfers. Under TUPE, employees' contracts automatically transfer to the new business. That is fact. So the contracts of the like of Naismith & Davis must have transferred to the newco. Once transferred, it is up to employees whether to stay or leave. For mere mortals, the reality is employees would stay to keep them in work. These highly-paid footballers could of course just walk away, as these players have done, but they must be breaking their contracts. So I think Charles Green is correct in what he says. I've been 'transferred' under TUPE before and I know the legalities of such transfers. What do you think Ed? {Ed039's Note - All I know is that when I transferred from one company to another company under TUPE in 2008 I was given the offer of whether to go, but in this instance they were looking for staff to leave so I dont know for sure)

13 Jul 2012 12:47:56
I worry about the health of sfl chairmen. Judging by tv footage they are all revelling being in the spotlight and having their 15 minutes of fame but what happens next week when they return to obscurity?

You are only talking about a small number here. There will be a proportion of large egos wherever you go.

13 Jul 2012 11:19:16
Fron a Nottm Forest fan,i hope you get back soon,personally i would have like to have you playing down here,you might have to start in league 2 but you would enhance our game.(Not Celtic they would expect to go straight in the prem)
Anyway best of luck {Ed052's Note - Thanks mate

Best wishes to all Rangers fans. cannot believe that the idiots running the game there are so stupid. All the guys here would welcome you into our league no bother (not Celtic)

English league ex pats Australian supporters Club

No1...think you will find that it was idiots running rangers who caused the mess....thats the bottom line.

13 Jul 2012 10:38:20
What gets me about this is that the powers that be seem to be making the rules as they go along.Im sick of day after day of this and that.Lets get into Div3 and start again,we will always have our history,and remember people have died watching our club.These people will not be forgottenas they are part of our history.We are Rangers,always have been,always will be,we will be back,no in fact we havent gone away.

13 Jul 2012 10:07:40
Reading the tributes on here about big Joe, can I add something my fellow Celts, we have all had our fun having a poke at the Bears, but in the past when we have lost those from the club who we have held dear, what group of supporters where at our side, yes the Bears were always behind us, have always had a kind word and were some of the first outside Parkhead to leave their tributes. As a Celtic fan I would like to say thank you Bears, you will come through all of this and be sure there are Bhoys who are behind you wishing you all well.

We said m8 we have all lost great people none other than tommy burns a true Celtic man a football man end of the day it's only a game of football and yes the bears will be back ... Kenny bluenose

13 Jul 2012 09:17:45
Good luck today Rangers fans, massive club and its you guys who end up suffering, I had 20 pound with my local bookie yesterday thay you would win the Scots Prem in 2015. Hope everything goes well and never forget your history guys and believe me you will be back at he top soon. in a way I apologise for my club nicking Jelly on the cheap and Naisy on a freebie but they were going to go somewhere and it shows how good your players are when they got snapped up
By Everton, how they didnt let you in the Scots Prem I dont know, its the fans who suffer the most for gross mismanagement.

Take care and hopefully see you in our league one day as that is where you belong

You have a lot of fans at Everton

Degsybluenose {Ed052's Note - Thanks mate. appreciated

Cheers mate its a breath of fresh air to hear something like that usually up here it is vile and hatred that gets hit at our club. All the best to your team next season and hope jelly and wee naismith score a barrel load for yous.

Gers1986

How do you manage to come to the conclussion that they belong in 'your' league when they are football club from glasgow? Surely if they belonged in the english leagues they'd have applied to join the english leagues when they were formed a few weeks ago instead of trying to get straight into the top league in Scotland for some bizzare reason?

13 Jul 2012 01:59:33
Where do the mighty rangers stand if we win the big tax case. Don't forget that all this started back in Febuary because the HMRC forced it. What compensation are we likely to get and remember we were deducted points and were not able to sign players because of the tax case and Whyte's dogy dealings resulting in the manky mob collecting the trophy from the Ibrox trophy room. Where would that put us?

It would not surprise me that with the way D&P, SFA SPL etc have handled this they will be the ones left with egg on their face when the findings are revealed and it's proved rangers did nothing wrong

What are u talking about? Rangers were deducted points because they went into administration. Nothing to do with the big tax case! Compensation? What planet are u on? U are honestly having a laugh!

Byars

Missing a small point here. The tax man only went after you because CW deducted PAYE NI etc. from the players but did not give it to the tax man. CW also called in the administrators which automatically cost your club the points deduction. This was not disputed and could not be as it was fact. Dont look for outsiders to blame it was purely the management of Rangers which created this. CW's admin then fought (and won) the penalties which had been handed out by the incompetent SFA. As for the big tax case, its still to be decided and if you win then it will have no bearing on what happened previously. DM and CW caused all this and they are the main people you should be blaming.

@2 you are also missing the point - completely - if the BTC had been settled before or during admin then any potential new owner would have known exactly what position the club was in and what level of investment was required to get the PLC company back on an even footing with a manageable debt level. because the BTC was not settled this prevented the above and put off potential investors due to the unknown factor

JG

JG

Strange lack of accuracy here. the "small" tax case has been lost and accepted as such by previous owners at rangers. this related to Flo and DeBoer. The "large" tax case was also lost at the initial hearing but appealed by the previous management. it is that appeal which remains outstanding. the decision not to pay tax and ni by Whyte appears to have been taken to prevent immediate liquidation.
Any way this pans out leaves us - the taxpayers - cheated and robbed - impossible to say otherwise really.

13 Jul 2012 07:04:02
Division three please and hopefully a by-product of this will be a system that grows its own and that pays its way.

Why did we sign Ortitz? We had better youngsters.

13 Jul 2012 06:06:01
To all the fans who say they want div 3 in the hope other clubs shall suffer i ask you this. The s p l shall still be getting money from sky shall new rangers. Clubs in s p l shall only need between 100 to 300 extra fans at there home games to cover the old rangers fans once or twice a season how many fans shall new rangers need every week to survive. Shall new rangers get anywhere near 40000 to watch the div 3 teams. So im going down to coral's today to ask what price new rangers to be first club to go into administration. Its my ball and your not playing if i cant be captain needs to stop and accept what your ex hero mr murray done to your club. Totally agree not the fans fault but you loved it when you were winning at all costs.

Of course the fans loved it. They did not know that it was done using resources which may turn out to be illegal. What would we say if it turned out Celtic had done something wrong and are found out in two years time? I am waiting to see what happens when the taxman moves on to the EPL and we see just how many clubs have been using similar programs to the ones which have participated in the demise of Rangers. I am sure that there will be a few. {Ed039's Note - There have been for sure, just their income they will have a better chance of making a proposal to pay it back)

Ed-good point about being able to pay it back. That said, there is a case to argue that they only have that because of the illegal use of tax avoidance schemes. More to the point, if any of the clubs have won trophies then it could get interesting. (splitting hares and I guess at the end of the day the taxman will be happy to take the cash and move on but Rangers are being used as a test case methinks)

12 Jul 2012 23:31:06
fingers crossed lads for tomorrow - we need ro get voted INTO a league and not OUT ALTOGETHER

Wee Bill

Hi, celtic fan here. I do hope you get voted in. Not for financial reasons, but we should all remember it's a game of football. Rangers have had their punishment; let's move on, eh?

Well said and I agree. Let's get the punishment settled and move on. Cant keep throwing the same old comments about PAYE, NI, ban them for life etc. etc. etc. It is only a game at the end of the day. There is no KB on the throne, The Pope will always be a catholic, The Queen (her agents) are not showing any favouritism and the IRA now have ex members sitting in Government.

I agree. No more punishment for Rangers. The 160K fine was enough for witholding millions of tax. And besides, what's the point of punishing a club that no longer exists?