Rangers Banter Archive January 13 2012

13 Jan 2012 23:04:03
see this whole tax case figure of 49 million i've heard a few stories doing the rounds that the 49 million figure is actually the amount of money we are to be taxed on. whats the higher rate of tax? 45%? is so we are looking at an overall bill of under half the 49 million thats being mentioned. like i say, tonight was the second time this week i heard this type of story. curious to see if anyone else has heard similar...
j1985

Thats not true.

the 49m is the amount owed in tax, then add on penalties and interest, and it reaches 80m+

You have changed your tune j1985. You even sound like Timalloy tax tax tax. All because a few Bears tell you to catch a grip you start on the tax Sh*t. We will find out next week. Go to bed its been a long day for you. As for the zoomer that replyed. £80m lmao you better get off the stiffies lol.
WATP

Zoomer eh? why? because you hate facing the truth, just like the rest of your brethern?

the cost of rangers true debt is over 100m and counting

As i understand it 49m would be the absoloute maximum we might be hit with n thats both tax cases and penalties. blueforyou

And the "interest and penalties" in these cases are always ridiculously penal. They probably account for more than half the oft-quoted "£49m" (which is the Revenue's finger-in-the-wind, cloud cuckoo land figure). Even if the case goes against us in the worst possible way, I anticipate the judge presiding won't award them anything like their fantasy £50m.

I have heard a rumour that the Taxman does not have the proof and that's what has been holding up the Tribunal, As for the people saying CW is trying to cut a deal, imppossible because it is SDM lawyers that are dealing with this and CW cannot interfere, even though he will be left to foot the bill if SDM's laywers fail to get a result.

Pete

So many just make up stories and have no idea, read back official releases which is all we have access to and it states the approx 49 million includes fines and interest on the original claim. The interest will have stopped as the court case was started and it is now in the court system

13 Jan 2012 21:34:58
THE SFA today dismissed suggestions they broke any rules when they awarded Rangers a club licence last year.

Under current Uefa legislation, clubs can only receive a licence if they have no tax debt.

SFA chief executive Stewart Regan was given a petition with 1200 signatures on it as people queried whether rules had been breached.

1,200 people have no life.

Of course they would 'dismiss suggestions', they're hardly going to admit it are they?

it's up to fifa to decide on this one, and the 1200 with no lives have a point, it's written in black and white for all to see

Rangers dispute the tax issue so how can the SFA play jury on the matter and not give them a license.

But they admitted the other (wee) tax debt, so there goes the argument for the defence

Why are people disagreeing to the 1st and 3rd replies?

truth hurt?

it's in black and white ffs!

1200 hundred sad and angry

Get a life its all tax talk ..as a bear al c how ..what i do no is lie well is pullin the wool over there eyes n yes mr whyte is only here for the money?

They admitted liability on the wee tax debt, but as it was Rangers that brought it to HMRC's attention, (it was discovered during Whyte's diligence last year) they dispute the fines. In both the wee and 'potentially' large tax cases, the liability has yet to be established and as such the SFA have no grounds to deny the Gers a license.

Personally, I love that Celtic exists, gives me a great big smile for ages when we get one over on them. Those on the other side, that can't enjoy a bit of rivalry and actively seek the death of Rangers (by signing a petition for example), are bitter wee pathetic bawsacks. Truth hurts? You wouldn't know it if if it bit you. Away back to your rangerstaxsecurityblanket you tube. I assume that's where its in black and white.

Duccablue

The wee Tax Case money was there, the Taxman wanted 1.4 million in penalties and CW rightly told them to go take a good few f**ks to themselfs and disputed that aswell, so there goes your evidence timmy

Pete

13 Jan 2012 20:33:15
Evening fellow bears does anyone have an update on Jamie Ness and his injury? The boy is class without a doubt but how long should we give him to prove his fitness?

Barry Barry

As long as it takes mate class act .

I think he is due back at the end of the month. I'd love to see him stay fit for the rest of the season, he makes a big difference to the team when he's playing.

GovanFR

What re his options fitness wise? Can he get specialized insoles etc Because as far as I'm aware one leg is slightly longer than the other and it causes persistant groin strains etc

13 Jan 2012 18:33:06
The team should be unchanged from the Arbroath game in my opinion.

Steven.

Shagger is out is on stv website, says he never trained due to a Thigh injury

Cf3

No injury just not gettin injured for goin to malaga for 4m during next week!

The usual every time a rangers player is injuried he's not just getting sold, if u believed this crap jelavic was off after motherwell game, remind me who does jelavic still play with?

Big rumour going the rounds shaggers off to Arsenal

13 Jan 2012 17:34:17
this would be my team 4-4-2 for the next outing-
goram,
numan,gough,amoruso,stevens
luadrup,gazza,albertz,walters,
mccoist,hateley

robertson
ferguson
mcphail
souness
baxter
grieg
woods
ohh fook sake im dreaming again :-(
stg

Numan at right back, he was the most left footed guy I've ever seen!

13 Jan 2012 16:01:14
Seems I am getting quite a few "namechecks" today.
All you bitter, bitter bears cannot take a bit of light hearted banter. all the silly name calling, but the more you respond the more I ENJOY it. LOL
FF81, I read more than RTC to keep myself informed of all the developments. Er "billionaire" quote? was it not all the laptop loyal who came out with the phrase "wealth off the radar" how silly do they all look now?
About the season tickets, it was a Ranger fan pal that told me, I stand by this, wait until you all get your letters about this. Whyte met with supporters groups and told them this.
Instead of trying to belittle me, which will NEVER work, why not open your eyes to what is happening at Ibrox. If you are all happy with events then fine, I know the truth and I am sure you bears do too but find it easier to name call me, than admit your "billionaire" is taking you all for a ride. Timalloy
PS Here is a song all Rangers fans can sing to Whyte
DON'T LEAVE ME THIS WAY!

Lmfao rukker. You're the only person on here who has went crying to the eds about banter. Says it all really. Everyone knows what you are, i don't think i need to spell it out again. Still if its the only way you can get your jollies in life then knock yourself Timalloy.

Gerry The Ger.

Gerry i do actually hold some sympathy for the guy ..... we cant all have lives ..... sorry tim but judging by the tripe that you type on here it come accross that u have too much time on ur hands and not enough rangers readin material to use it all up ...

Scooby

Tim I never mentioned you read the RTC did I? As for name calling I've not called you anything. Here we go again with this rubbish sh*t stirring. I never said anything other than you post last night was not funny. As I keep on telling you Tim. I do what I know best and follow and support my team and manager. I will leave the other things to our chairman to sort out. As I said you contact him if you are so concerned about Rangers.
We Are All Salim Kerkar.
Followfollow81

Gerry the Ger, breaking my own rule by replying to you, but you seem a very bitter person, nothing positive you ever post only bitter insults. Try and SMILE every now and again. My posts are varied and i try and lift the gloom with some daft jokes etc.. try it sometime.
Timalloy
PS GG here is song for you
Laughter, the greatest gift that I possess.

Timalloy, you're obviously not playing with a full deck. All your posts are Ian Wright. Nothing bitter about me. I laugh AT YOU all the time the same as everyone else on here. I feel sorry for you i really do. LMFAO rukker. Enjoy your night Timalloy.

Gerry The Ger.

13 Jan 2012 13:01:48
Where do all these deluded Dhims get their info from? I just read an earlier post dated the 11th Jan from Timalloy who seems to think Craig Whyte will demand season ticket money up-font. OMG! Do you honestly believe everything you are told or do you make this stuff up yourself? Yet another lame attempt of scaremongering Timalloy.

DO you think before you speak or type in this case. Do you not realise how much money Craig Whyte would lose if he were demand ticket money up-front? Fans will just refuse to pay then he would get no money!

C'mon Timalloy. I can handle your very very poor jokes but this latest tripe you spew is baffling!!

TTG

13 Jan 2012 12:35:21
I read yesterday that a Timalloy mentioned my name.
I see your owner has not made the British rich list, As a businessman I am always open to investing in businesses that cannot get bank loans, if your owner is interested ask him to get in touch.
Big Wullie the Moneylender

13 Jan 2012 11:57:09
Myself, Miko and Lenny and other Tims told you weeks ago about whyte not being on rich list, now it is official. we also highlighted that NI, PAYE etc was not being paid to HMRC to aid Rangers cash flow problems.
Your "billionaire" is slowly being found out, as the TRUTH always has a habit of surfacing.
Bears it is time for you all to open your eyes and start asking your "billionaire" some questions as to where he is taking your club. hail hail Timalloy

Your right we should all read therangerstaxcase and believe every word of it.

Q .... how many years have they been on that list then tim ........... there were just as rich as they were 2/3 years ago. lol they are on that list cos they dont spend ! keep 'em well keep our titles.

Germinator

Timalloy, you know the same as we do. We read all the stuff aswell Tim. Can I ask you a question? Who was it that said Craig Whyte was a Billionaire? If you are that concerned about it WHY don't you ask the "Billionaire" as you put it about it?
FF81

13 Jan 2012 10:56:09
just had a mate fone me with a disturbing rumour. in a list of football's richest shareholders whyte didnt make it! the list apparently went dowm to 20m and he didnt make it.hoping ed can tell me its not true? blueforyou. {Ed014's Note - I's 100% true.

The Paupers of Govan are going down the swanny........and Im laughing my head off.

TonyBhoy

Thanks for that ed.well bears hope all you whyte defenders are taking notice.this is by far the most worrying development yet.we need to start asking questions now! the way i see it we owe him 18m,he dznt seem to have funds to move us forward as some old directors stated,and we hav a potentially crippling tax case heading our way.he is either hoping we win the tax case or taking us into administration thats all there is guys.so where is the money for transfers coming from? who else is gonna go, if we go into admin whats his financial plan,please no more "in whyte we trust" rubbish n worry about his partners ellis and betts cos they might hold the key to our future its that serious. blueforyou.

Seriously...it took a publication of footballs richest list for you to realise what everyong has been saying for ages. After the BBC documentary Whyte came out with some fighting talk about sueing the BBC....he hasnt done it yet...must have been all true then!

The guy doesnt have anywhere near the cash to run Rangers that is obvious. This post doesnt surprise me at all!

There was a rumour on here a few days ago that Whyte will sell to JIm McColl. The guy that sold Clyde Blowers for £800m to a US company last year. Aparently Murray didnt like him and would not sell to him due to past business dealings. He is a bluenose and could take us forward. Whyte will walk away with £20m for his quid, get him tae f**k

Mccoll has already stated he has no interest in investing but would help in any way he can.fact is you cant make money from scottish football.im getting the feeling that this is about ellis and betts more than whyte who is starting to look like a bit of a front man.maybie mccoll in a consortium with a small investment.

Big deal. No new info, only more gloating. We all know by now we're rooked don't we ffs!

Whyte has probably seen an opportunity to take us through admin to extricate us from the mess Sir Dave left us in before punting us on to this Mcoll geezer or someone else that has the cash for the job.

Everything is transient. Rangers will always exist and will be dominant again- it can't no happen. We've walked the league skint the last three years anyway! Way I see it, these temporary difficulties are a wee chance for Celtic to FINALLY win a league title! :-)

All these dopey tims that are never off here really want to change the record- it got old long ago. Enjoy your one title while we're at absolute rock bottom. The only way is up for us and deep-down you muppets all KNOW IT too. :-)

Celtic fans have to realise if tehres no rangers then there wont be a celtic :) can't see sky buying rights to the SPL if theres no rangers!! SPL will be doomed so laugh your heads off if we go then so do you.

Rubbish! celtic could make the money frm sky easily by taking control of their own ppv telly deal.if celtic fans were asked to pay another £25 on their season books to get rangers pumped into the 3d division what do you think they'd say? celtic also have bigger hitters in the boardroom who would cover it for three years so dont cling on to that hope.

What an moronic thing to say - No Rangers = No Celtic because of SKY TV money. If Celtic & Rangers existence relied on SKY TVS money they both would have gone bust a long time ago...it's not the EPL! SPL Gets £80M over 5 years between 12 clubs..lucky if its £2M a year that Rangers & Celtic get.

Did i say just based on sky tv money? no i said i can't see sky buying rights for a 1 team league! where are celtic going to make revenue up they get from sky if they were to pull the plug? dermot desmond etc haven't put there hand in there pocket for years & would sell there shares in a heartbeat if they were going to lose money.

So if Rangers go bust, Celtic will cease to exist too? Doubt it very much. Anyway, Sky's days may very well be numbered - keep an eye on ESPN, a company who could and probably will blow Sky out of the water with football TV deals.

Scottish football would be done, i remember when celtic were on the brink my pals a tim and i said i would hate to see celtic die as its a poor league when dominated by 2 clubs, rangers would have ended stale-many wont agree but through all this religon pash we need each other,scotland needs rangers and celtic to be strong, its the only match any1 from outside of scotland would watch-who would watch killie v hibs or st mirren v aberdeen no offence to these teams but its like us lot watching carlisle v tranmere
stg

13 Jan 2012 10:07:30
I think it says it all when Ally didn't even know because he wasn't told that Rangers had touted Edu for sale by a non coaching person ( Mr Smith maybe ) this after Ally said he wants to keep Edu.
This shows that the managers wishes are not even considered. SO WHAT IS GOING ON?

Whats goin on is were skint and our shining knight has got no money! "off the radar wealth" copyright k jackson, the record.

Whats goin on is we got a shyster for an owner who dznt fancy our manager.ally should get out now while his good names intact.this brings into perspective the signings of mckay,bedoya,ortiz.i dont think ally had anything to do with it n thats why he's not playing them to let us know.where is mr publicity gordon smith? i am really wary of him as i think he seems to be whytes patsy.what a mess! blueforyou.

13 Jan 2012 08:33:05
For years now Celtic have been selling players for good money and rangers seem to give players away. Recently Celtic have been quoted brown £6m, hooper £6m and samarass £3m. What's that all about? I'm glad Whyte is holding out for more money for Edu, Jelavic, Macgregor and Davis. I also think McKay was bought as Davis replacement. The sooner Rangers are debt free, tax problems free then we can plan for the future so let's move 2-3 on and get going again

Saying a price doesn't guarantee you will get ie rangers re saying 10 million for jelavic.

Considering the Mhanky Mhob signed Scott Brown for £4m it is understandable they would want £6m for him. Hooper will never sell for £6m, no club in Britain would pay that for him......

TTG

Southampton have offered that

13 Jan 2012 05:02:36
In reply to this
Pete, why do you need a source? Does the "Rumour" seem plausible? Is that something the tax man has the ability to do given the well documented problems currently facing Rangers?....YES HE DOES! In October 2009 Southend faced a winding up order from HM Revenue & Customs over an unpaid tax bill of £690,000. The club were also hit with a transfer embargo!

Rangers do not owe the Taxman a single penny at this moment in time, so until both the tax cases are done and dusted, no one can force anything on the Club. I was asking for the source of the rumour which is not plausible because our case has not been concluded.
Pete

We actually do owe the taxman m8, 2.8m (wee tax case) that whyte admits has to be paid,but were appealing the fine on top for late payment but the 2.8 deffo has to be pais. blueforyou.

While we do owe 2.8 million, Pete you are right. it's one of them at the wind up (no pun) HMRC want their money and for them the difficult bit is balancing out what they can fine rangers and rangers will be able to pay. Rangers going under doesn't get GMRC their money. It's amazing how many celtic fans are tax experts now because if that great site "therangerstaxcase" the most bias site on the Internet.

GovanFR

Thats where you are wrong Pete, HMRC have more power than you can fathom. I had them in to audit me the other week. Everything was fine incase you were wondering. Fortunately I wasnt paying myself through an EBT. By the look of it you havent a clue whats happening at the moment. Rangers are in tax tribunal with HMRC to try and prove they DONT owe them £49M...HMRC have calculated that with non payment of PAYE and NIC by paying the players through an EBT over a period of 9 years + Interest + Penalties = £49M. Therefore whilst this tax case is ongoing i dont see a reason why HMRC couldnt enforce a transfer embargo on Rangers to prevent them from selling off their more valuable assets should Rangers go on and lose their case. Pretty much in the same way Bain, HMRC, Donald McIntyre have already frozen Rangers assets as their is a real possibility of insolvency. Therefore it is a PLAUSIBLE rumour. More worringly Rangers seem to be witholding PAYE & NIC at the moment to assist with their cashflow and I see you failed to copy and paste Ed's answer to my question regarding whether or not the SPL has a rule to enforce a transfer embargo on any of members for falling into arrears with PAYE payments. Ed told us that they could enforce a transfer embargo...therefore that means the Rumour is PLAUSIBLE if it is proven that Rangers are indeen witholding PAYE payments.
For your information I was not the original poster of that rumour...but i think the rumour may have some substance..again time will tell.

By the way the long post is from me. My Grandfather was on trial with Rangers as WW2 broke out and he was great friends with George Young who used to come round to his house when i was young so i'll leave it up to you who you think i support...both will be spinning in their graves at the moment at the state their club is in.

GovanFR;what are you talking about mate? rangers going under dznt get HMRC their money?hector can,im afraid,do pretty much what they want to reclaim money owed to them up to and including selling ibrox itself!we are in an awfull mess and putting your fingers in your ear n singing la lala iznt helping.im not a tax expert but like the other poster i run my own bznss and you have to be aware of a lot of stuff as they can walk in the door anytime for a spot check(which by the way is happening a lot more now)

To the guy who responded to me. What can HMRC do to claim their money. Ibrox is valueless unless they want a football stadium, yes they can sell MP. Players? I doubt it, Whyte is immediate creditor as you idiotic Celtic fans seem to forget.

GovanFR

Govanfr; is ibrox wafting on a cloud of air? no its on land which can be sold.is ibrox made of candy floss and wishes? no bricks n metal that can be sold.and for the last time: whyte is prefered creditor at the moment,if we lose tax case HMRC automatically become first creditor thats the law!by the way iv been going to see rangers for over 40 years so no tim agenda here just a concerned fan worried about the next step. oh and theres a rumour that murray pk is still owned by MIH dont know if its true tho,did you know the albion is still owned by murray?

Hmrc arent going to let rangers away with it, this talk of them not wanting us to go under becuase if we did they wont get thier money is kak-if we are found guilty they will pursue for money and get what they can be it money or assets-and drive us 2 the end-why-becuase everybody would want the same justice if that happened-why should rangers get away with it? they wont rangers lose the case they will want £49m they have to save face and it will echo through out football that clubs cant operate these methods if they have they will have to pay in the end- ive heard several other epl clubs used the same method...this seems to be the start of footballs reckoning day-its lived beyonds its means for along time.
im no whizzkid on these things but its plane and simple you dont pay your due`s your belongings go instead and your on the streets
stg

I am correct in what I say, The Tax Man is not a prefered creditor, he must wait in line Behind Craig Whyte. That is a FACT. I am also correct in saying that until the tribunal is over, Rangers owe nothing in the Big Tax Case. We are also disputing the 1.4 Million that was added to the 2.8 Million meaning we are challenging the total 4.2 Million. Craig Whyte said he would pay the 2.8 but not the 1.4, the taxman said he wanted it all, so Whyte quite rightly said he was challenging it.
The taxman can say Rangers owe 49 Million, if Rangers show that there EBT's are all above board the Taxman has to prove otherwise and that is where the tribunal is at. If it was all as cut and dried as you seem to think. The tribunal would have ended after a week, its not it's extremely complicated, its costing the Taxpayers Money, lots of it As for your reply, about the Transfer Embargo, until the both cases are over, the Taxman cannot ask for anything, so please just give it a rest.

Pete

13 Jan 2012 02:05:30
I feel a team like rangers should be playing 3 at the back way a holding midfield player

Mcshagger
Bartley, Boca, goian
Edu
Aluko, Davis, wallace,
Fleck
Jelavic, healy

Any thoughts fellow bears?

Looks good, Healy should be given a run in the team; he's a natural goalscorer and he can be an important player if he gets his full sharpness back and I also like Fleck who deserves a run in the team.

WATP

No Papac?? By Far our most consitent performer and would be one of the first names on the team sheet when fit

Murray Davidson has all the tools to be a top holding midfielder,if we can convert him there.Even for Scotland since he is not a Gers player yet.He is big and strong,can read a game and can tackle.Saints use him as a box to box man to get goals though.Ally

13 Jan 2012 01:21:01
no one was talking about fleck a few months ago, it was in everyone's best interested that he went out on loan at start of season but it fell trough and the same again this Jan,but stayed due to inj list, now I wished he went out on loan for a season and came back alot better, but ally's been forced in to playing the lad and he is clearly not at the races for this level yet and will he ever? so please would people stop getting so far ahead of themselves if we never had the injuries the guy would be on loan! why? u ask, cause HE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH YET BY A LONG WAY!

Have you actually been watching Rangers recently? He was superb against Motherwell and Arbroath. go and support someone else, the boy blue thru and thru and deserves a chane

He is only going to get better playing games. He has only started about 10 games in the last 2 seasons so give him a run and see if he takes his chance.

Billyboy1

13 Jan 2012 00:55:14
Edu is such a bad player? Is anybody aware of a current player that has had more confirmed bids or reported interest in? You guys have a short memory Celtic 1-3 game at the pigery Edu best player on the park, or season before last before injury at Dundee United our best player

Two good games in how many seasons. He is average at best

Better playing Fleck and giving him a proper run of games than signing some of the pish I see mentioned. He either properly fails- in which case, we're no worse off than if we sign aload of third-rate players (like we did last time, bar the centre halves), or it may even be the making of him if he finally realises that great potential.

What we don't need is another Charlie Adam, pigs

Edu is inconsistant one good game every three is unacceptable at best. kiwigers

Edu has a lot more good games than that, He was the best player on the park by a mile at old trafford last season, and has hardly played a bad game this give the guy a break not all players have the skills of a messi but that boy does all the dirty work and off late has still managed to cause problems in the oponets box putting in crosses etc. We could manage without Davis right now but not Edu

13 Jan 2012 00:47:13
Why all the rubbish posts on Edu not being a player, you guys need to get real. 2 things you cannot teach; natural ability and natural fitness, admittedly not the greatest ability but his work rate is second to none. Take Edu out the team who does the spade work. We have a cheaper version of alex song

We have a rubbish version of Alex Song

13 Jan 2012 00:06:52
Is there anyone on here that actually thinks we will avoid administration? I think we are in deep s**te

I dont think it will be administration......more like liquidation. I think its great.

TonyBhoy

12 Jan 2012 23:59:40
Hemed, Danns, Esterigibbia, juhasz, goodwillie etc, etc. - common denominator - mr whyte failed.

Guerra, novo, sutter, Sandaza etc, etc - common denominator - we won't get any of them - mr whyte failed

Incidentally look at the calibre of player that whyte supposedly wanted in the summer and the garbage we are supposedly interested now - common denominator or should it be conman denominator - mr whyte

We also failed to sign Kris Commons in January due to financial reasons I believe.

Steven.

"We also failed to sign Kris Commons in January due to financial reasons I believe"

thank F**k he has great ability but just loves the pies far too much

We failed to sign commons because we couldn't afford his food demands.

GovanFR

Commons is on record him self,as saying that Rangers never came in for him.Do any off you listen to the talk,before the game?He said it on his first A.F game.Good player just a bit porky.He needs to work out and hit the gym.He has done well for Scotland to,the midfield is more balenced when he was in it.Ally