Rangers Banter Archive November 12 2012

12 Nov 2012 17:51:21
Any news on the Rangers share issue? Not heard anything about it for a while.

12 Nov 2012 16:08:08
I predicted on here a couple of weeks ago that Tom walsh would play for the first team before the end of the season. He was in the first team squad at the weekend, and the young man is chapping on the door. And to those who pressed unbelievable, start to believe it.

Its a good time to be breaking through now. If good enough they will get their chance- for at least 18 months. Some people just disagree, just the way they are. Proud moment for you if he does do it.

12 Nov 2012 15:25:10
THE SECRETS TO BEING RANGERS CEO

1) Embrace Ally McCoist.

WHYTE tick GREEN tick

2) Create enemies for the fans to villify.

WHYTE tick GREEN tick

3) Make bold financial statements that fall apart under any reasonable scrutiny.

WHYTE tick GREEN tick

4) Make signing promises that fail to materialise.

WHYTE tick GREEN tick

5) Take the club to the cleaners because ultimately I've got a history of collapsed businesses and a terrible track record and by getting them to focus on enemies and false promises I can do what the hell I want.

WHYTE tick GREEN ?

Disagree all you want but there is evidence aplenty for every claim made, and well you know it.

Gaz

12 Nov 2012 16:06:51
Guess what...yep..i disagree.
Get a grip and a life mate its borin now RTID

..Mr Green has got you turned inside out Gaz..ha ha ha..

Fair comment.

very odd as ever, ST money untouched in bank and rumours alloa money requires extension....?

time will tell.

Green paying taxes tick whyte not
Green doing what he said tick whyte not
Green a shrewd businessman tick whyte not

Just a few of differences and like most fans maybe in doubt, bringing Walter on board is a very good move as I could not see Walter accepting lies and bs off Green, too experienced.

The longer passes the more I start to trust Charlie... george

What a load of nonsense!!

Gaz we all make mistakes but most of us also do good things. Yes there might be evidence there to support your claim but I think green has also been involved in successful businesses. So how long until you lot except we are not going back into admin after Xmas next season when we get back to the top a decade how long. Probably until the time comes when there is none of the obsessed left yes there is evidence there but none of them have been founded yet therefore it is easy to disagree

Gaz,

The SECRETS OF BEING A CELTIC PLAYER OR FAN

1) Be Baw Heids who show up on European Nights

PLAYERS tick FANS tick

2) Dissapear during SPL games

PLAYERS tick FANS tick

3) Be obsessed with Rangers FC

Players ? FANS tick, tick, tick, tick !!

...........disagree all you want but there is eveidence aplenty for every claim made......and you know it!

@3 please tell me where these rumours have started? No doubt some backstreet dump website. the name escapes me PB

Gaz, spends more time online with his obsession than Malware. Similar to the lesser known 'Wabbit' - The least ambitious of all malware, (timalloy is a close second)it is content simply to focus on utterly devastating a single machine. Keeps replicating itself.

RTID - don't you think the "no pre-season" crap is getting boring now?

@2) Green doesn't bother me at all. I thought the Walter/Ally coup d'etat just after the failed CVA was disgraceful and I said so in here. (The phrase keep your friends close and your enemies closer springs to mind immediately by the way.)

@4) "Doing what he said"

Did he sign 5 guys from the Euro Championships? Did he have 20 backers in his consortium? Do you have no debts (external or otherwise)? They are all things he said.

@6) Evidence, was there evidence with Whyte, fill in the blanks, what happened next?

As yet not one of you has categorically debunked anything I've said.

Gaz

@7 Lol, good stuff, though I take exception to one thing, I'm not obsessed I merely pity the blinkered.

@9) You never refuted one thing, just pandered the old obsessed line, any chance of a decent counter argument from you or will obessed suffice ever more?

The only time I come on here my posts relate to some idiot comment one of you has already made, moaning about Salmond not helping Rangers, how great Green is, how all Rangers footballing woes start and end with no pre-season, how a European record can be misclaimed as a world one. Less nonsense from some of you and I guarantee some of us will be less forthcoming with common sense or dare I say it, downright facts.

Gaz

@6: this time last year Rangers fans were saying there was no way the club was in trouble, that the BBC doc was all lies and Whyte would come good...

@7: and it seems Rangers fans are obsessed with Hearts. And Celtic's European fortunes. And the SPL in general...

Gaz, you are just like the rest of cohorts on here. For your information, Green said they were looking at five at the Euros. At that time the vote re SPL was not known. It was clear that when div three came about that these targets would not pursued. As usual you take the bit that suits you at the time. One thing or sure, Gaz obsessed wit Rangers, tick

Come off it Gaz.

1. Even if the unthinkable happened and it was Peter Lawell taking the helm at Rangers he would have embraced Ally given the situation he would be faced with. That isn't even remotely a decent point to make. Anyone taking over would have done the exact same thing to get the fans onside straight away, particularly with the Blue Knights, Walter etc still hovering around, making the situation even more difficult for him. Whether or not he sticks with him remains to be seen though. Depends on the fans.

2. Point 2 is 50-50. He has given his opinion (I assume you are referring to the 'bigotry' line as an example) on how he views things at a point in time when Rangers were/still are under siege from almost every direction imaginable. If he did not speak up then he wouldn't be doing his job (not saying he was right with everything he said - just defending his right to an opinion). Did you ever criticise anyone from your club claiming there was/is an agenda or bias against Celtic and openly accusing those they felt were responsible even when they were proved wrong? Ah, of course, that would happen to be true 150% of the time so its not comparable, lol, yeah right.

3. I will concede he has made silly statements in terms of finances but I think he is implying that the club will be in the black (as opposed to debt-free which is almost impossible for any person/club/company to be - if the papers get delivered in the morning then that constitutes a debt until they are paid, for example) at the end of the year. Difficult to argue against that one (show me a valid and reliable source re the Alloa thing and I might take it seriously) since we will have taken in two seasons worth of season ticket money, whatever he gets for the share issue, plus the % increases in comparison to previous years in relation to catering and merchandising minus a vastly reduced wage bill and standard costs attributable to running a football club. Plus, for all we know he could have two holding companies operating (one deliberately kept debt free purely for the footballing side and one responsible for all the finances which would clearly have debt) in which case, technically, he would be correct on both counts. As far as the twenty backers goes he said he had twenty people willing to invest big money in the club. When did he say it though? That's right, when he, and the alleged backers, thought we would remain an SPL club. He then had to get the begging bowl out and go round potential investors willing to invest in a club which would be playing in the BOTTOM TIER of Scottish football when most of them didn't materialise. An easy sell?

4. I had to laugh out loud at that one. Surely that is said tongue firmly in cheek. The five players from the Euro's were mentioned, once again, when he thought we would remain in the SPL. Once we ended up in the 3rd we couldn't hold onto the decent players we had, never mind bring in players of that quality and pay them the wages they would have demanded. That would have seen us heading straight back towards administration. Come off it Gaz. I actually liked his line comparing Ally to a woman shopping for shoes as it proved he wasn't willing to do a Murray and give his manager a blank cheque to sign players he shouldn't need. The ones he did get will get us out of the Division and that is all we need for this year. It suggested to me that he is going to run it prudently and keep a tight reign on spending, unlike Murray or Whyte. Another moot point for me.

5. Time will tell but you are bang on with your assessment of Whyte to be fair.

Brian

Gaz Gaz Gaz......If you find Rangers fans talking about Rangers on a Rangers website borin then jump on to the Hearts one for a wee change theres a good b*oy! RTID

Ps you missed my point entirely about the "pre season" comment i made. Never mind.

12 Nov 2012 10:44:50
Oh FFS!!!! get off McCoists back!
There are 3 probable groups dissing
Ally on here contunally.

1. The obsessed.
2. Glory Hunters
3. So called fans who have never set
foot inside Ibrox.

Im sure the Gers' will get promotion
from this league, thats all i need. By the
the squad will have had a full season to
gel. They will get a PROPER pre season.

These guys need all us Bluenoses
behind them.

RTID

OP and Bocanegra and Goian could be back after their loan spells.

Smith will just bring confusion as to his role which appears ill defined. He will tread around as an inexperienced first time director and be more trouble than he's worth. He's obviously been convinced the survival of the club greatly depends on him coming in and he's been shown the books. His job is to coalesce fans into parting with money (as usual) whilst once again, like Ally, he takes a salary and benefits out the club.

Sdm made him a director after nine inca row, it was on TV and in all the newspapers, historical fact. He never relinquished that appointment even on going to SFA as Scotland manager. On liquidation he and hart are out of association football for 5 years. This is Green setting up the SFA for conflict in enforcing this Uefa regulation when oldco is liquidated.

Re 2] and 3] Forever the pessimists, anything done and someone will find a minus about it, as for 2] you obviously know what his role is, could you let us all know.

Ah, the good old proper pre-season rears its ugly head again. It is closer to Christmas than it is July and that is still doing the rounds.

If QOTS counts as a defeat then Rangers three defeats so far came in their 8th, 12th and 15th games, get over yourself and embrace reality!

RTID - Reality Transcends Ibrox Dilemmas

12 Nov 2012 16:18:40
@5 The reality is The Rangers will always be Scotlands best loved/supported premier club and you cant STAND that can you...... :)
Plying their trade in the bottom tier and STILL grab all the attention.

'The obsessed' as you call them (plenty of Rangers fans 'obsessed' about Hearts last week and with Celtic last week) are desperate for Ally to stay, not dissing him.

Obsessed because constantly on gers pages, Did some go on hearts page last week? If in a years time they are still going onto hearts pages- every hour/ every day- then you can then call them the 2nd most obsessed set of fans in our country. Until then the 'self proclaimed' will hold that honour.

@6 you reckon you had worldwide attention last Thursday, Friday do you? Only worldwide attention you have had all year was "Rangers collapse" "Rangers in admin" "Liquidation" etc etc. I'll prefer our worldwide attention of late if you don't mind.

I couldn't care one iota about your club but the "pre-season" nonsense doesn't wash considering when the club suffered it's losses. Fair enough losing three of first four games then going on a good run but if your not up to speed by game 15 then either you're not that good or the manager isn't. You choose?

@8: you, and others, doth protest too much. There are loads of Rangers fans on other pages, mostly Celtic, and nothing near administration or liquidation has occured. Surely the problems with your club and the fact it's now in the bottom tier mean that others will take an interest, even if it is out of a humour-driven curiousity and/or to wind you up. Yet you feebly insist it's obsession. Or can you just not handle the fact they're allowed on here?

13 Nov 2012 04:12:04
Btw i love how "some" have jumped on my mention of the pre season. My whole point being,
I believe the Gers' will be in the 2nd div next season. The team will have gelled and they will have a pre season to look forward to. So everything will be back to normal and a lot more settled. I would just love to see what other fans would say should their team be in the exact same scenario. Always have been, always will be DOUBLE STANDARDS! RTID

@10 had a quick check and none actually I scrolled back as far as I could and only found 9 comments from rangers fans honestly in your attempt to prove you ain't obsessed you just become more obsessed. I think it's time you admit the point then maybe you can get the help you so desperately need. Your own team is doing well having its best euro run for years but you constantly have to go on about a team in the third div it has been suggested that the reason parkheid has so many empty seats every second week is that thousands of fans simply forget to turn up due to the fact they are to busy trolling sites of a team they say is only 4 months old. This is becoming such a problem that doctors have a name for it rangeritis symptoms include slavering Sh,t about a certain team trying to convince themselves a certain team no longer exists spending hours a day trolling a site with a certain teams name on it then trying to say that said page was not set up for fans of that certain team posting comments about certain team and thinking them funny when it is quite clear they are just cringe worthy and last but by no means least being completely obsessed with a certain team. This is becoming such a big concern for a slightly smaller team in Glasgow that they are thinking of ways to remind fans that there own team are playing. One idea was to phone fans up on the morning of the game but this idea was scraped after they trialed it on 10 fans and all turned round with the response sorry mate can you phone back later I've got to go post something on rangers banter

12 Nov 2012 08:22:18
Welcome back sir Walter smith a true rangers great sorry ally time to stand down let the old head take the reigns son

If Rangers go on a run of away wins and make the latter stages of the Scottish Cup I suppose all we'll hear from some is that it's all down to Walter rather than Ally.

BARNEY BEAR

With walter back at ibrox allys job should be safe