Rangers Banter Archive May 12 2016

 

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12 May 2016 20:11:30
Anyone who thinks Alan Hutton is a good option for us, only needs to watch the highlights of Villa vs Newcastle.
He loses possession just outside the Newcastle box then casually jogs back as Newcastle attack. He makes no effort, has no drive or desire, just observes play. like a Sunday league player hoping the ball gets booted out of the park so he can get an extra couple of minutes breather before actually having to do some work.
If only he wasn't on 30,000 a week!



12 May 2016 22:22:04
Okay one game, having watched hutton for years he is 10times the player tavernier will ever be and better than any other right back in Scotland.



13 May 2016 00:07:31
No he ain't he's poor these days.



13 May 2016 06:14:00
Hutton's Ok going forward but has been a bomb scare defensivley for the last few seasons. Tav's all round a far better player.



13 May 2016 08:22:29
Tav can strike a descent ball sometimes. But most time balloons it there's more to being a footballer than shooting. Especially when your a defender.



13 May 2016 12:36:49
He scored plenty this season for a RB that apparently "balloons" most of his shots.



13 May 2016 16:36:30
His penaltys still rising.



13 May 2016 10:51:10
Have to agree with cee. Far far better than tav. Anyone who doesn't see that is blind, he is a brilliant player going forward. He, s torn some top fullbacks to shreds at times.



12 May 2016 17:30:37
Young player from le havre Lys Mousset 20 years old 28 goals.



12 May 2016 18:32:12
Where you seeing 28 goals? Says he's only scored 5 in 19.



12 May 2016 20:30:58
14 in 27 games this season according to my data check his videos on utube.



12 May 2016 14:52:22
DR reporting this,

Ryan Gauld is set to leave Sporting Lisbon on loan this summer, and although the club want him to go on loan to another Portuguese outfit, English Championship side Huddersfield want to bring him in for the season.

Nice bit of business if we could nip in and get him.



12 May 2016 15:56:22
Ryan gauld would be a great deal.



12 May 2016 14:14:13
Just a though, maybe a moment of madness. What would the thoughts be if MW went to sign Mulgrew on a free, despite being from the other side he is a decent experienced CB and could fit well.



12 May 2016 14:57:56
Your right about something, moment of madness.



12 May 2016 15:00:43
Could not see it happening, decent player, probably would add something to our defence if we are honest with ourselves but just don't think it possible!



12 May 2016 16:07:36
Decent left foot but he's as slow as a week in the jail.



12 May 2016 14:31:47
I think mulgrew would do a decent job for us at the back but realistically it ain't gona happen.



12 May 2016 16:34:29
Mulgrew have u been on the vodkas or something. why not take delia in aswell then he free is he not. scott brown maybe orwhy don't we adopt the huddle aswell oh may aswell wear green and white hoops too. mulgrew, get a grip mani.



12 May 2016 22:21:58
Not too bad at set pieces but injury prone and not what we are looking for.



12 May 2016 18:37:18
thats not a moment of madness that's 3 weeks worth.



13 May 2016 03:50:07
Wtf, he's slower than wee scotty broon, he's finished a aw and will be one o the main reasons we get our title back.



12 May 2016 11:58:12
McKay and Wallace called up for two Scotland games against Italy and France. Hopefully they both start down the left wing and show wee gordo what he's been missing.



12 May 2016 19:49:13
for McKay to say to get Scotland call is the proudest
moment of his career pulling on a rangers should be the
highlight of his life barrie its time u got tae.



12 May 2016 23:00:20
Get a grip mate. Well done Barry Mckay.



12 May 2016 23:42:25
Bowmac I have seen some horrendous comments on here in my time but I think you just topped them all wally.



12 May 2016 09:40:59
Just read spurs web page. We were 2-0 up at HT, then 3-0, then 3-1, then 4-1 and as usual looks like they got sloppy and lost 2 goals in 71st and 77th min, this is just becoming a real hassell now, something is badly wrong that we are conceding this number of goals.

It may well be that GK 2 CB and DCM, is what is required, I am starting to become frustrated with the lack lustre performances when we are winning and end up putting ourselves under real pressure.



12 May 2016 09:59:13
We are far too easy to score against and we are gifting goals to other teams by the game.



12 May 2016 10:02:54
it was a friendly chill out guys.



12 May 2016 10:18:51
We did still win as we have done on most occasions this year. It's just the style we play.



12 May 2016 11:24:36
yes a friendly to warm up for the cup final Onlyshowaround.

What about the several other games after we tied the league up. its not good enough, u get into a habit of conceding then it will eventually prove costly. it must be eradicated and quickly!

can you imagine if our slackness cots us the SC! it would be a bitter pill to swallow!



12 May 2016 11:44:08
m3lvo, appreciate your concerns, but come on look at the difference from a year ago, improvement is vast in many areas and to expect all to be hunky dory in a year is extremely unrealistic, yes we are losing goals and something needs looking at, but surely you now enjoy watching a team now going forward chasing goals albeit of course it can lead to shipping a few in as well.



12 May 2016 11:30:51
Someone's slackness will eventually cost the cup final, whether it be us or them, we can't demand perfect performances all of a sudden? They were playing a friendy, its no HASSLE.



12 May 2016 13:05:42
not saying perfect performances but we are losing 2-3 goals regularly over the last 6-7 games, it is no good!



12 May 2016 13:40:07
relax guys remember before a European night both sets of the old firm would put in lacklustre perfomances the reason being no one wanted to be injured for the big game. i believe we relaxed once the league was won and the lacklustre perfomances are due to no one wanting to injure themselves for the final.
that being said we do need two cb's and a better goalie.



12 May 2016 14:04:42
League season finished guys chill, we will have a far stronger defence next season, MW knows what he needs, and the boy Crooks looks a very good player for DM, and would say the CH we are calling out for will also arrive .
Can't believe some of the negativity on here with the season we are having .



12 May 2016 15:03:37
its not negativity it highlighting a fact, do you think that MW will just be chilled and ok with what has went down, no he will be raging, confidence breeds victories, slackness breed defeats, so let's not get into that way of playing please, league won or not!

If slackness costs us the SC will you be chilled then Brian P?



12 May 2016 15:33:14
M3LVO we all have our opinions, just some panic more than others .



12 May 2016 17:07:15
yes this was a friendly but this was almost our starting 11
against spurs boys team I think we should perhaps
throw the cup to save us any embarrassment in europe.



12 May 2016 17:47:10
Don't think it is panic - but I think there is definitely something to be learned and addressed here. I get the whole, " the league was won, promotion secured and yes, no one wants to be injured for the Cup Final" but there is one aspect which requires further scrutiny. MW said on a number of occasions that despite having guaranteed promotion We were going to finish the league in style, put on a show because there is a responsibility to send the punters home happy, not just go through the motions and limp over the finish line. Now which ever way you look at it, limp over the finish line is exactly what we did; some of the play was slipshod bringing problems on ourselves unnecessarily and giving away goals out of nothing. Our inability to clear persistent and obvious danger was pathetic; a box full of players not knowing who they were marking and what their responsibilities were. So the question is, if MW believed in the approach of maintaining our high standards to the very last and anticipated the possibility of the players taking their collective feet off the gas why did it happen? How was complacency allowed to set in? It was admirable to hear we were going to be professional to the end, less impressive when despite the big talk we weren't. I guess we will not know until the Cup Final whither this is a slump in form or just tiredness/ laziness - hopefully We will turn up and put on a show and win a good game well. That would be a fantastic end to a fabulous season. It is great to follow the Gers again so a big thanks to MW, DW and the players for helping to wipe away the anguish of recent campaigns but please when you identify the pitfalls try not to fall into them. Now let's go and win us a cup and a treble.



12 May 2016 18:09:40
How can it be negative when it's only stating facts about the amount of goals conceded. We only conceded 5 less goals in the league than we did last season and the defence was slaughtered. It's not good enough and we could easily lose his cup final to a Hibs team that can score easily against us.



12 May 2016 08:50:04
What a season! Dundee United DOWN, Newcastle United DOWN, Hibs may well be staying DOWN and we are heading UP! Complete the treble against Hibs a week on Saturday and that would be put the icing on the royal blue cake.



12 May 2016 09:13:16
Doiger it looks good the now and i'm so over the moon about Dundee Utd and Thompson of the SPFL board. Newcastle down, feel for there supporters but its a good thing as far as the Fat Greedy man is concerned. I've always been a glass half empty kind of person and it comes across as negative I don't mean it but I think that Mike Ashley is a money hungry burger hungry man that will sell his shares to a yes man that will take orders from him. Also what do you think the score will be in the final?



12 May 2016 10:03:55
my favourite english team is newcastle utd and I'm totally gutted for the club and the 'toon army fans'. newcastle utd are a great club being totally ruined and taken for granted by a greedy owner with no heart for nufc, hope in some way they can be rid of him. I wish the newcastle fans and the club minus ashley the very best of luck in the future!



12 May 2016 12:40:05
Gutted for Newcastle but someone has to go down and Sunderland have jermain defoe lol.



12 May 2016 17:12:42
Anotherbear. I think we'll win well in the final and I'd go for 3-1 the Bears!



12 May 2016 07:28:50
I would never compare football to war, but as I am a bit of a ww2 enthusiast, I can't help thinking that in terms of being weakened the last few years in demotion have been similar to the weakened state of the US after Pearl Harbor. We lost our top players and couldn't acquire the type of players we wanted, but stage by stage we have re established ourselves and have played some quality football in the last season while attaining notable triumphs, (battles) ie promotion to the Premiership and beating Celtic to get to the cup final.
We are now a lot stronger than we were a few years ago and while the ultimate triumph maybe winning the Premiership, (the war) we are now on a firm footing and are back where we belong.



12 May 2016 09:28:13
As I'm sure MW says when he addresses the troops, The Corps, The Corps and The Corps!



12 May 2016 09:57:19
Do you Really think you should be comparing a football team to events that killed so many people during a war?



12 May 2016 12:00:45
Biffo did you not read his first sentence?



12 May 2016 13:27:32
His first sentence said he'd never do "it", then he proceeded to do "it".

Biffo is right to take exception to it. It's one of the most cringeworthy things ever written on here.



12 May 2016 13:46:36
there was no malice in his statement biffo!



12 May 2016 15:46:31
Poetic: You obviously haven't read it correctly either, as a rule I wouldn't compare the two, I was thinking of the numbers and capacity in the sense of the loss and the comeback that had to be made.



12 May 2016 15:49:05
Cringe worthy PP?
He was having a laugh is all.
Still not found your sense of humour since the semi?
Normally your posts are better than that, worth a read even.
As 'Big Jock' says, come on now, I could buy and sell ye!



12 May 2016 16:04:30
Thought it was general Douglas MacArthur who said that, don't think he played for Gers.



12 May 2016 17:41:59
Here we go.

Scotjo--

I read it fine. Read my reply. I was saying Biffo has every right to take exception based upon what you said. You've actually just done it again: I wouldn't compare the two, BUT. and then you compare the two. That's your privilege, just as it's Biffo's to take exception to it. A prefix of, "I wouldn't compare them. " doesn't change that.

And I was cringing at the ridiculous comparison, nothing else.

Pieandbovril--

See above. He can have a laugh. I can say it's a cringe worthy comparison. What's the problem?

As for your comment on the semi final, I'll say this once more as it's boring me now: I was on directly after the semi final. I was conversing with any and all. I gave props. I took the hits. Many other posters will testify to this. So your go to is as redundant as it is erroneous. My sense of humour is fine. Infact, your entire reply seems to be working on the (mis) understanding that Scotjo made a joke and I took it (too) serious. Not at all. Scotjo made a comment (I have no idea if it was a joke or not) and Biffo responded. I was defending his right to such a response given Scotjo's comment. I found the original comment neither funny nor offensive. It made me cringe as a comparison. That is all.

TamBurns--

I genuinely can't remember a time I have ever used the phrase 'panty wetters'. Maybe you could find one? I doubt you can but even giving you the benefit of the doubt on that, I can safely say I don't do it at "any opportunity". So you have either mixed me up with someone else, or you are talking nonsense. Either way there is little point in engaging any further except to say, read my replies above: I never said Scotjo intended any ill will. I said Biffo has the right to say what he said.



12 May 2016 18:12:02
Sea of Ibrox

Yeah I read the first sentence then read the rest it's very clear you did compare the 2.



12 May 2016 18:26:23
Patient : I don't think it was cringeworthy, that is my privilege also, I also pointed out I wasn't actually comparing it to war, mire the mechanics as I already explained.



12 May 2016 19:01:59
Biffo: Didn't actually, I wasn't trying to directly compare the two, if I was I would have said football and war, bloodthirsty tackling, people trying to kill each other, this is war.
It was an aspect of the aftermath of Pearl Harbor I was trying to get across, like often people will compare topics totally different but with certain aspects that can be compared, like (and I agree this ain't a great comparison to what I mean) the manager is a genius, does this actually mean the manager would win Mastermind?
Certain things like that, not quite the same as I said but there are certain situations that can be light years away from each other but certain aspects can arise which are similar and when someone draws attention to it they are always labelled as simply comparing the whole topic to the other.



12 May 2016 19:54:31
I am also a WW2 enthusiast and your comparisons are extremely confusing and pretty much totally wrong. Your comparison is we both "lost our top players and couldn't acquire the type of players we wanted"
The U. S Navy didn't lose any of it's top players during the strike on Pearl Harbour. It lost some ships but none of the crucial Aircraft carriers which were not in port that day. Most of the lost ships were also quickly repaired and salvaged with no great loss.
America was also the most industrial country in the world at the time and the attack on Pearl Harbour did nothing to weaken the country's production. They continued and advanced in production of weapons and machinery with the "type of player they wanted". before, during and after the attack on Pearl Harbour.

I truly am at a loss as to your logic behind this comparison?



12 May 2016 20:06:31
Dunc: I am at a loss to your loss, if you can't see any comparison there then there's not much I can do. So are you saying the USA wasn't seriously weakened?



12 May 2016 20:16:54
How did the loss of a few insignificant ships, which were easily replaced damage the greatest military power in the word?

I have done a lot of research into this and have found no evidence to back up your theory.



12 May 2016 20:34:26
It put a delay on the US entering the war and ultimately succeeding, this was my point in comparison to Rangers.



12 May 2016 20:58:02
The attack on Pearl Harbour is widely accepted as being the catalyst for America entering WW2. It delayed absolutely nothing. If it had not been for the attack on Pear Harbour, the U. S. A might have taken a lot longer to enter the war.
So once again you are completely wrong.



12 May 2016 21:08:47
And they weren't delayed by the attack? Every historian seems to think so, so once again you are completely wrong.



12 May 2016 21:27:57
So there was no delay due to the recovery from the attack? Once again I suggest you are completely wrong.



12 May 2016 21:40:53
As I have already stated. No they were not delayed by they attack as before the attack there was no agenda. It was the attack itself which prompted their inclusion in the war.
I would love for you to tell me which part of the attack on Pearl Harbour set back the inclusion of the U. S. A. And please name me one historian who backs up your agenda, As I have read many and am yet to find one.

I am starting to think that either you are extremely young, or extremely not worth giving a logical and factually correct argument against.



12 May 2016 21:47:43
Essentially my post was about recovering and re-establishing power, I saw some similarities in each topic, sure we can all pick the bones when we research these things but I have always seen similarities as there will always be differences as these aren't like for like topics.



12 May 2016 23:31:48
I am not extremely young, your missing my point, it was about a team having to recover itself and get itself back on it's feet, we can all look up books and nitpick and as the two sepcenaros are totally different then there will be differences, doesn't mean to say there are no similarities.



12 May 2016 23:37:54
Everyone knows that is what brought about their entry into the war, I was not disputing that, I was liking that entry to the fight back Rangers had to show to recover from the demotion.



13 May 2016 07:23:52
Cringeworthy? Only to you Poetic.



13 May 2016 08:49:05
Apparently not.



13 May 2016 10:26:23
Apparently so, I agree with him.



13 May 2016 13:38:53
Well Poetic, your the only one who mentioned cringeworthy.



13 May 2016 13:58:41
Scotjo-

I may be the only one who used the word cringe worthy, but I'm not the only one who disagrees with the comparison - evidenced by the ongoing disagreement with you and Dunc. It appears he has had some comments removed (for whatever reason) but he clearly has/ had issue with your original comparison and your (apparent lack of) knowledge re the incident. I'd argue that this disagreement and my original statement about your comparison being cringe worthy, are largely the same thing. Perhaps not. Perhaps he only finds your comparison/ post redundant.

JohnBlue-

Not much to say here other than you agreeing/ disagreeing means nothing in relation to what we are talking about. Scotjo is claiming that only I find his comparison cringeworthy, I am saying that's (apparently) not the case given his 12 hour debate with Dunc. You're assessment that you don't find it cringeworthy proves very little. It certainly has no merit it terms of debunking my aforementioned claim.



13 May 2016 15:05:08
Why does someone agreeing with it prove any less than you calling it cringeworthy?
It's a banter page, you don't own it, as for You thinking your assessment was near the mark because Dunc disagreed is also neither here nor there as that disagreement was more to inaccuracies although there was a certain similarity.



13 May 2016 15:54:06
JohnBlue-

Serious question - what do you think this debate is about?

"Why does someone agreeing with it prove any less than you calling it cringeworthy? "

It doesn't - but that's not (nor has it ever been) the argument. I said Dunc's disagreement and fervor meant it wasn't just me who found it cringe worthy. Scotjo claims otherwise.

Your agreement with Scotjo is fine. It's your right. But Scotjo is claiming no one (but me) finds/ found it cringe worthy. I am NOT claiming that no one agrees with him, so your agreement means nothing to the argument. That was my original point. If I was, then your agreement (with him) would immediately end my claim. I wasn't. It doesn't.

As for the "it's a banter page" statement, I agree - but insinuating that I think I own it is ridiculous. I can only assume it's because I dared put forth my points and actually read the context/ content of the posts before responding.

"You thinking your assessment was near the mark because Dunc disagreed is also neither here nor there as that disagreement was more to inaccuracies although there was a certain similarity. "

Again, see above. My point was that if Scotjo's claim was that only I had an issue with his statement/ comparison, then Dunc's disagreement puts paid to that claim. The end. There is no debate - other than to the degrees of which Dunc disagrees, which becomes an exercise in semantics.



13 May 2016 14:16:59
Hardly a 12 hour debate and to me there was no apparent lack of knowledge as I found some of the comparison accurate.
Only apparent lack of knowledge, well maybe better than Dunc.



13 May 2016 17:05:04
I honestly don't even know what you are trying to say anymore.


FYI Dunc posted his first message at 8pm last night, Scotjo's last response before mine was at 7.20am. Hardly 12 hours right enough.



{Ed001's Note - just to point out johnblue and scotjo are posting from the same IP.}

13 May 2016 17:55:11
Thanks for the heads up ED. I guess with that, I'm out!



12 May 2016 06:43:39
Any thoughts about going for Allan Hutton and moving tavernier up 2 right midfield.



12 May 2016 09:28:33
Doesn't work like that.



12 May 2016 09:30:27
Hutton not the best defender either, they are both very similar in that they love going forward, not sure it would work.



12 May 2016 11:34:14
Hutton was almost unplayable at times at ibrox, that's why he went for millions, fantastic danger out wide, and knows how to win the occasional pen.



12 May 2016 13:48:38
has anyone here been watching him at all this season he is no where near the player he was when we sold him very rarely goes up front anymore and when he does he can't get back wouldn't thank u for him now.



12 May 2016 14:17:28
What would the thoughts be if MW signed Mulgrew from the other half, on a free and decent experience at CB.



12 May 2016 15:05:39
Would take Mulgrew if it was possible, good player on his day and injury free, not sure he would make the cross over and not sure if he would be accepted lol!



12 May 2016 16:05:58
Mulgrew, no thanks.



13 May 2016 10:05:14
I always thought Tavernier would be a good mid right, Hutton has great experience but is older and slower now so I wouldn't want him.



 
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