Rangers Banter Archive March 12 2013

 

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12 Mar 2013 23:44:05
I see Falkirk are not happy with the proposed inclusion of Rangers and Celtic colts in case we leave Scottish football. Firstly it seems that Longmuir seems to think this may be a possibility, which is the first time it has not been dismissed out of hand. I find that astonishing.

It seems a reasonable idea to protect Scottish football if that day comes, which I doubt. In the mess we are in, where we struggle to field a first team, god knows what the colts would be like. How does it work, are they allowed promotion?

Are we saying that if Rangers and Celtic colts win promotion to the top div that we will have first teams and second teams in the same div, surely not.

I get the impression that the 12-12-10-10 is the one favoured. Can I ask what is wrong with two 21 team leagues, two up, next two in play off. don't understand why there always seems to be a difficult way to an easy problem.

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The colt team would be eligible for promotion and relegation but they would not be allowed in the same league and cup tournaments as the parent (main) team, so colt teams would only make it to the top league if parent team were no longer in Scottish football (same goes for scottish cup and league cup). That is what is being proposed.

The amount of teams in a league has to be a even number so that every team can play each week, so it would have to be 20 or 22. They don't want that many teams as there would be to many meaningless games for tv deal. It could maybe work if Rangers and Celtic were no longer in Scottish football

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Rangers want anything except 12-12-18. PERIOD.
12-12-10-10 is the Rangers preferred option.
A collapse of reconstruction and staying the same with rangers in div2 next season is the second preferred option. But not 12-12-18, which means playing the same teams.
However 12-12-18 is the best for the Scottish game and modelled as such.

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Issue with 20-22 league is simple.

Rangers and celtic only play twice in league. huge revenue loss.

Only top4 teams with any chance of winning, so 40+ games meaningless 5-0, 3-0 wins for old firm.

we had that in past, was pish!

8-8-8 means

top 8 play to death best of scotland - knockout end of season thrillers every game counts.

middle 8 - relegation battle 4 up - 4 down.

lower 8 - div 1 relegation battle 4 up - 4 down.

So last set of games have real meaning, format did not work elsewhere, but old firm needs this.

more games, more teams with chance of glory, rather than 1up-1down. div1/2/3 teams all diddy team who win NOTHING in 100 years

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You said it 'knockout' It's a league and as such should be decided over a season. 8, 8 and 8? absolute nonsense. No matter what way you dress it up without the old firm in the top league Scottish Football is finished, end of.

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So what would happen if Rangers or Celtic were relegated and their colt team was already in the league below?

I don't think this has been thought through properly.

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Great idea for the two leagues of 20 ish - meaningless games - nothing new there plenty of that already! It would be refreshing and our crowds have held this year why would they not hold in a two league set-up? The REAL reason that it won't happen is because of the greed and self-interest of SPL chairmen - its the ONLY reason. And before you shout that they booted us out of league - they planned for one season with us in SFL to appease fans and the SFL had bigger balls than them and it backfired big time on them. TWO LEAGUES YES PLEASE!!

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Meaningless wins of 5-0 etc etc for old firm. we can't even beat Annan at home! Wake up man.

Gers Man Fife

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12 Mar 2013 22:39:47
Love Mccoist however, can anyone tell me if Mr Laudrup has his coachin quals an think if possible could be the right man to take over the reigns, would bring a totally different system to RFC, again if personal situation allows, could be the future of a new beginnin/future, know there is limited options, but don't think we can continue with tactics regardless of quality, same old.

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Can you tell me what experience Mr Laudrup has in managing?

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13 Mar 2013 00:21:12
well look at micheal he had none and he's won silverware with swansea

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Because he was a great player does not mean that he will be any good as a manager, I suggest that you look at the current manager to see that.

I believe he stated recently that he does not want to manage, he's also had health issues.

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Ffs bears not another ex player, you need a PROVEN manager- he doesn't need to be a fergie, any guy who knows the lower leagues and is ambitious- with the money you pay look at the league tables, find the guy that's managing the top placed clubs and go hire him maybe?.

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If that's your mentality that Brian can be like his brother why don't you go for Darren ferguson as his dads not bad and he has management experience

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I think Laudrup would be a great influence in some capacity. For such a magnificent footballer to no be a complete @rsehole is quite rare. Management might no suit but coaching or scouting or something? If the great man himself were interested of course.

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Look wit Neil lennons did fir celic

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@2. Michael Laudrup has been a coach since 2000. He managed Brondby, Getafe, and Malaga before Swansea.

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@2 Michael has worked hard to get to Swansea. Defo not his first job. CheltBlue

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Michael had coached atleast 2 different teams in Spain & dod reasonably well woth financial difficulties before going to Swansea hel get a big job i'm the next few years I imagine this doesn't mean Brian can do the same thing but I'd like to see him back at Ibrox in someway there's a lot our young players could learn from him or someone like Ronald De Boer what's he doing with himself I know Franks managerial careers is going well but personally for me I'd like to see Butcher or Davie Weir someone who can put fear into the dressing room and get back respect from the players.

Larky Bear

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@2; Michael walked in to a good set up, put in place by Brendan Rogers, and made a great signing in Michu. Big difference from what Brian would face at rangers.

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12 Mar 2013 21:34:42
Just how much time do our over paid players spend in training? going by the tweets they are posting on twitter they are home early every day. McCoist is to blame for this. Its time he grew a pair and instilled some strict discipline. Paul LeGuen was hounded out but at least he made sure that the players put time into the training regimes.
HR

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Le Guen was hounded out by Barry Legend and his wee clique. His first game v Motherwell away was a terrific display but Barry was a bit player and did not like it.

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Not being funny here but how much training time do their respective opponents get? Your talking about guys who hold down full time jobs outside football. I don't know how much time the Rangers players spend in training but maybe instilling a little bit of self respect into them during it's timescale would be a good starting place,, if only to justify their sizable weekly wedge in stark comparisson to their opponents measley sums,, only problem there is that the person responsible for making such calls is largely ignored due to a lack of authority,, knowledge,, credibility or whatever. it's not the duration of training that's to blame for players deriliction of duty come match day imo. it's lack of credible leadership.

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Maybe Ally had a tv commitment. Personally, I had enough after the European ties last season. The man is not capable to adjust things when we have difficulties on the pitch and shows no emotion, just stands with arms folded. Much as I have no time for a certain red head, at least he shows his feelings. And for all those that cast me as disloyal, I still have a club deck season ticket but have
not used it this season. Time to make a noise fellow bears.

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How long should they be training for each day then?

If the players trained all day everyday they wouldn't get better, they would be exhausted

and as far as I am aware after training some of them do extra work in the gym.

The problem is not the time they spend training its what they are doing in training that's the problem. They need to learn tactics and going by their games they need to learn the basics, passing and shooting

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Traing on plush murray park billard tables does not help compared to the ploughed fields at div 3

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Biggest mistake was showing PLG the door - He should have been backed and Barry and any others upset at no moster-munch in the vending machines should have been told to shape up or ship out

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12 Mar 2013 20:58:49
To the Ally apologists. It seems Hutton tweeted he was off home after a "hard days training" at 12:45! don't you think they might be better off putting some afternoon time in on defending and set plays?

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The amount they tweet about either going to Nandos or the Ho Wong is embarrassing. Everybody deserves to enjoy themselves but they are being paid SPL wages and should be training hard everyday. By the sounds of it they are not taking it seriously in this division and when the time comes to instil a more professional approach they will fail. I think they need to be more professional and that stems from the management & backroom staff. Advocaat was a disciplinarian but let's be honest, he had a decent crop of pro's. These young boys are expected to grow up quicker but the management need to do better

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Normal prem teams start training at 8 to 12

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12 Mar 2013 17:11:38
Just watching sky with comments from some rangers fans, Ed please please tell me your views on what punishment rangers should of got for the mess they got them selfs in, I come from a mixed family me and my uncle are from both divides but live too talk football and rangers is his life after family, but his views are completely different than these rangers fans they look for a view when theirs a story so please tell me your view on what should of been the path Scottish football took on the rangers situation, jodrok {The Ed039's Note - I think 3rd division was right, I think transfer embargo was harsh)

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Rangers were not put into the third division as a punishment they had to apply to sfl for place as a newco, & start at bottom just like every other new team after gaining sfa membership, how many times does this need explained, L1888

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Ed first thanks for replying to my post, but 2nd l1888 beat me too my answer, me for one is missing the derby clashes and the quicker they start back up the better, but I get the feeling that most if not nearly all rangers fans blame other clubs for the position ther in, and when clubs like hearts and co are struggling and look like going bust it seems too go straight too the problem is that rangers are not ther too hold these teams up, my view is these teams like rangers except for the fan base is run by bad management and live out side ther means , rangers are on a million pound a month lose already in ther first season the fact is to live like all of us too keep a roof over are heads is too spend what you can afford I fear for rangers and Scottish football like most leagues round the world they are playing a game of liquidation and if this is too hit rangers again I think it will be the end of them and will sink in too history books like third larnock

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12 Mar 2013 16:07:56
SOS Brian Laudrup
His brother had done a great job at swansea by encouraging the team to play good football and I think he'll adopt a similar philosophy. this is not a knee jerk reaction. I can handle defeats and bad performances but the whole style of play is offensive to the eyes and ill reiterate that anyone who signed the Greek, the Brazilian and that French did deserves their jotters.
I just think a shake up is needed whilst we are still starting out and now is the perfect time to reshape the club.
Also I'm fed up reading about people coming on here criticising others for not wanting to fork out their hard earned wages to watch rubbish. I've had a season ticket in the govan rear for 25 years and my patience is wearing thin. in these tough economical times I can think of better things to spend my money on rather than torture my eyes.
Fed up bear

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Nobody is telling you what to do with your "hard earned cash" but we must remember where we could be right now if certain people hadnt stood up to be counted yes its sore to watch but we will win the league and hopefully Ally will sort it out. United we stand

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By your logic Fergie's brother would be a good choice. Nonsense.

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@1, that's the problem, Ally has absolutely no clue how to sort it out, he will never be a half decent Manager, not cut out for it.
His purchases, not just this season have been second rate, his tactics are not tactics, punt and hope for the best. He plays players out of position every week and his fitness training methods must be rank rotten as we seem to be less fit than the part timers we play every week.
I have stated before Ally will no within himself he isn't capable of taking us forward and if he cared about the club as much as he says he would walk at the end of the season. Please go Ally before the legend status goes.

Orange Peel

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12 Mar 2013 21:02:57
guys remember the great scott symon. one of the gers greatest ever managers. well he got sacked when top of a far higher league than we are in now///// I rest my case. sausage bear

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Ally won't get the sack, CG will not pay anymore than he has to to get back in SPL. He is happy to do it ugly. Ally is here for a while yet.

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To 4] Good point re Scot Symon, but another example is Davie White, who only lost one game all season and got bumped. Then we have the greatest Ranger, John Greig who carried the team for years. Not a good manager so P45 was handed to him. Unfortunately, Ally does not have it but our total future is more important than any individual. I loved him as a player but he must go, and he must go now.

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Look at the players ally has signed over the past 2 years. A DISGRACE!
I wouldn't give ally money to go to the shops for messages never mind any substantial amount of cash that will bankroll our future (promising talent to sell on at profit)
I know we are rstricted to out of contract players but John Daly. Really?
Is this what we've settled for?
Go now Ally before the fans turn very bitter

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12 Mar 2013 14:36:26
I could cope with the odd defeat now and then and think the majority of fans could also if the team was 11 scottish youngsters trying to play football in the right way and giving there all for the jersey. He has brought in too many overpaid duds who are being sent out to play 'launch ball' and look unintrested. Other 3div teams try and play football against us yet Ally insists on playing this unattractive brand of football. IT ain't ENTERTAINING! WIN LOSE OR DRAW. This was a chance to start from fresh and set a team up to play in an attractive manner with a few years of practise before we join the so called bigger clubs in the SPL. also what is happening to our youngsters? other teams bring in players and progress them, at murray park they stagnate and instead of playing with a smile on their faces look scared on the ball, surely they are the cream of their year group and if not why not?! Change is needed throughout and the sooner it happens the better.

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The reason a lot of the young players look scared is because of the fickle nature of many of our fans. Charlie Adam was a prime example of this type of situation.

Too many Rangers fans expect absolute perfection from start to finish and get straight on the backs of players the minute they misplace a pass or miss a decent opportunity.

No patience is a huge problem among our fans.

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Juventus 2006/07
Played 42
Won 28
Drew 10
Lost 4
Calm down Martha it will all work out in the end.

ALDO

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Charlie Adam might have been better had he spent his afternoons working on his fitness and technique instead of the bookies in Milngavie.

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Do you not think the manager was adams problem? Connstantly played out of position

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Juventus play against Napoli, Ac Milan, Inter, Sampdoris Parma Lazio Fiorintina & Udinese I'm not sure who they've lost to probs one or 2 teams outside that list we lost too Stirling & Annan plus the fact that Ally is just clueless when we go under pressure sick of watching joiners painters & window washers knock the ball about better than players on 5k+ a week!

Larky Bear

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Well ally learned from smith who wasn't a attacking manager to say the least. Rangers had a scream of a chance to bang through the youth set up & keep wages down to a bear min. A rangers fan of mine made a good point templeton sandazza etc were all in team of the year? Look at them now?!

Two ways to look at it celtic & Dortmund Celtic a average age is 24 borussia Dortmund 23, rangers could get away with playing youth just now rather than paying 5 grand pw etc to 'spl' players. Also have to ask questions on the cheif scout at rangers? Not one player right now would get sold on for 500/750k to make a profit. A major clear out is needed In that place & rather than using blinkers ie let's sign kris Boyd/Kevin Thomson/ Jamie murphy/bucher/ludrupp ( all rangers fans/players) maybe step away from a ex player or fan & bring in a 'outsider' you had Murray & smith era for years now McCoist & smith? Not time for a change.

Lenny

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Charlie Adam problem was quite simple, BARRY FERGUSON, Mr Mabaw was never off his back, constantly whining at him whenever he tried anything other than a square or backward pass and it did not work.

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@ 6, no the manager was not to fault regarding adam. Mr adam is now confirming what I and lots of rangers fans thought when he was at ibrox. he is now been told by stoke he can go if he can find a club. there is only one way now for charlie the pie eater and that's down the way cause he is just not good enough ::)) {The Ed039's Note - he was the one that has actually told tony pulis to fook off, linked with Cardiff now)

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Juve were Serie B in 2006/07 after being found guilty of match fixing.

ALDO

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12 Mar 2013 14:21:54
To all Rangers fans wanting Ally to stay, give yerself a shake. Ally will always be a legend. As a manager he needs to leave when we've won the 3rd division. Ally only has a plan A which consists of lumping it long all game even when it's not working. The players he's signed have been poor to say the least. Rangers need to plan for the future of getting back to the top league. Ally will have us a laughing stock in the top league. I find it embarrasing that nearly every team in 3rd division attempts to play football except us. Cash is tight for me at the minute and I will not be parting with any more until he's gone. When I discuss Rangers with my mates, they ALL agree it's time for him to go.

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Ally has to hold his hand up and admit its time to go he's not stupid so he must know he is not up to the job if he does, nt green will do it for him

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Spot on. It is the style of play that has fans frustrated. Never changes.

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12 Mar 2013 13:54:13
People need to get off ally's back, throw any manager in his position and the outcome wouldn't have been much different at all, barely any time to buy players, a transfer embargo, untried youngsters, the problems goes on. Aye at the end of the day we should be performing better against part-time teams but it was never going to be easy. No ally Mccoist would have meant no rangers, so stop being disrespectful and support your team and your manager!

RJ

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What a load of nonsense. Alexander, McCulloch, Wallace, Shiels,
Black, Sandazza, Little. All have won caps and are hardly youngsters. And let's not forget Ally chased Kyle for weeks. Do you think his tactics are good enough?

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OP, so what excuse would you use for ally's pre - admin period when he had us pumped out of europe twice, out of domestic cups early and a 15 point lead lost.

Just think, if ally had took us into the champions league group stages and did better in domestic cups I doubt the club would have never gone into administration never mind been liquidated.

I await your response with abaited breath!

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N2 I've been a ranger for ver near 50 years and totally agree with you I've never seen anything like this current team ide imagine hope ally is wise enough to move upstairs after winning us this league tittle cause he must know that's what we want cheers

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13 Mar 2013 13:30:07
N2, i'm sorry but was it ally that pumped us out of europe? no it wasny, it was the players, and its the players on the park playing the part timers, no matter what tactics are used we should still be beating teams like that? and also, doesny matter how good your tactics are put a defence like ours into the barca team and youd probably get pumped off part timers!

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12 Mar 2013 12:35:10
To all "Rangers Fans" wanting rid of Ally McCoist - give yourselves a shake! Look what Ally has been through, stuck with us through. He has had many opportunities to leave when the goings got tough. He has stuck with the Club that he loves. It is about time we got behind Super Ally, a man who would die for Glasgow Rangers, and give him the support he needs! We have had bad results, Ally has made some obscure decisions but we are on the way to winning SFL3 and progressing onwards. I personally, taking away Managerial abilities which will come over the seasons, can't think of man, a Rangers man, better to be in charge of this Historic Football Club. Come on guys, give him the backing! He is one of us afterall.

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I couldn't agree more mate. keep him. shammy {The Ed039's Note - No, you have him. Honest we dont mind!! Well most of us anyway)

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John Greig same as McCoist, didn't cut it as a manager moved on, no one bigger than the club but starting to think McCoist thinks he is!

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Go on Shammy, lol.

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I bet the cleanin ladies stayed with us through the bad times aswell. maybe they should get a shot at the managers job as according to the o/p no managerial abilities are required to manage our beloved institution. gimme a break pal, I love ally as much as the next guy but we need a manager with tactical know how not just an ex player and fan that can only attempt to copy what his predecessor and mentor done before him. he will get away with it this year but not next.

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You need to disassociate Ally the legend from Ally the manager. Statistically his record must be pretty poor. Signings wise, although limited to free's and out of contract players, he has not shone. Tactically he seems to be very one dimensional. If your honest you must admit this. The fact is in most games, even the wins, other teams have knocked the ball about better.

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All those rfc fans who still stick behind
Ally ask yourself 1 question do you want a successful club if yes ally will
Not give u that, I am a Celtic fan and was against the hiring of Lennon, only because we are supposed to be huge clubs. With top managers not giving previous legends a chance to play fantasy football. Lennon has worked out but if ally can't do well in 3rd div why keep him, you need a manger with experience to build a club not a manager who loves the club so much that believes he can sign anyone and because there named rangers will play better win more, sorry doesn't work out that way

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If mcoist was any other manager that had never been affiliated with our club he would have been shown the door long ago. fact is he's being paid (and very well at that including shares) handsomely to do a job, regardless of his relationship with the club and he has been found wanting. I understand we are a 3rd division club but we pay spl wages. the performances this season from a clearly unmotivated, un-organised and tacticly inept rangers side are just not good enough. sick of this "he stuck with us rubbish", as I said earlier so did the cleaners

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Ally would die for Rangers?

Behave yourself!

It could even be argued that his results in Europe last season made our administration/liquidation certain. But with extra finances maybe Whyte could have held on, paid taxes and sold after the Big Tax Case. Don't get me wrong, I blame Muarry & Whyte for us being demoted to Div 3 but Ally's results at best made it happen quicker.

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Face facts - if ally had qualified for europe in first season all would be well. he did not, and rfc cannot survive as is without £10m/year from CL.

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As a manager the ONLY thing he has done which deserves any credit at all is staying, but his signings, tactics, formations, selections, substitutions etc etc have been ridiculous and the time has come to walk for Rangers sake, he knows he's not good enough, he knows how we feel why hasn't he stepped aside? How is he taking us forward or helping the club in any way shape or form?

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If ally had won a cup (ramdens guy even the ramsdens!!) that would be fine.

but to win just the league. when that was a given.

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12 Mar 2013 02:40:25
Big respect to charlie mulgrew, admiting he's missing the old firm matches, and being bored, scottish football will be dead in the next 2 year, big players will leave celtic due to no competition and a one horse race, crowds going way down (same with every scottish team) we need to be in top divison, celtic and rangers make scottish football, sort it out regan

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No way i'm happy where we are let them all suffer
trueblue

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12 Mar 2013 10:36:59
Trueblue, you are either a 12 year old behaving like a 12 year old, or somone seriously in need of their medication.

Both sets of fans miss & need the old firm games, if your idea of Rangers achieving success is winner the Scottish 3rd Divison league, then clearly you have a serious problem.

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@ 1. really! happy where you are. astonishing. the bottom tier losing £1m per month. the team missing you most in the spl, is you.

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Sorry I forgot to sign last post @3. but the person @1 is just, now displaying blind defiance no matter the harm being done to your team, if you gave chuckie the chance to fast track back to the top, he would bite your hand off. the '' we will never play in the spl as long as i'm in charge'' speech would be forgotten quicker than usain bolt doing the 100. shammy {The Ed039's Note - 9.58 seconds is hard to beat for anything, but I think you're right for a change Shammy)

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Cheers 39. but I was right last week as well. predicted juve 2-0 at a decent price { probably } I never looked. shammy {The Ed039's Note - It would have been a decent price, between the eds we predict scorelines for Champions League games etc, and I predicted 1-1 for the first leg between Man United and Madrid, never even looked at a bookies and it happened. Sods Law)

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If you saw the interview with Mulgrew, you'd know he could hardly say anything else. He paused long ---before he said Yes. How could he have said NO?no matter what he really felt. {The Ed039's Note - Are you a mind reader?)

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I seen it, and the reporter said, would you want rangers back and he said, prob aye

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Banter alert.

Ed have you been liquidated too? The ed not ed anymore lol

We all miss the old firm, the only people who don't is the police & hospitals. The snp will wet there pants when the old firm game happens, Hugh Keevins made a good point win lose or draw it will be after math after it and the snp government will make sure focus group have high arrest properly the biggest since focus started which in turn makes him look a good first minister.

IMO the old firm Glasgow derby etc etc won't be the same on the park rangers are at least 3 years away from beating celtic on paper

Lenny {The Ed039's Note - Lenny me and Ed001 & Ed007 came up with The Ed039 about 6 months ago just for a laugh and I wanted to see if anybody noticed, so congratulations mate, 6 months or so later you are the first person to notice lol)

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@ 3, rangers are not losing 1 million a month. The reason there was a 7 million deficit was due to CG buying edmiston house, albion car park, paying off old football debts amongst other things

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@9 yes they are. rangers accounts. income for 7 months £ £9.8m running costs £16.8m. so if you take running costs til august vs outgoings, with no games june or july. ahh what's the point your f***** again and can't see it. see the celtic site and take my offer. sir walter of the cardigan suggested something similar last year. you should have listened to him. shammy

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@9 I think youll find that money was spent after 31 dec

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@7 I saw it too and he did say 'probably aye' but it was so unconvincing. As already said, he could hardly come on and say 'No, don't miss them at all'---- you don't need to be a mind reader to think this if you'd watched and saw him

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N12 how could millgrew not say no are you calling millgrew a liar

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There is no such thing as the Old firm anymore mate. If Celtic start the b team they'll be playing you guys next season haha.

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Let them rot i'm with @1 with them losing money hand over fist having to give away most of their tv money to keep teams in their non competitive league and being allegedly under investigation by Europol would rather be were we are football may not be pritty but at least there are no preordained results

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