Rangers Banter Archive March 12 2012

12 Mar 2012 23:23:21
had a look on rangers media website where some fool was slagging this site off,what a joke....rm has got to be one of the most delusional,paranoid forums on the internet...it makes pravda look like a scud book.

Laughable

12 Mar 2012 22:46:18
I am completely unsatisfied by the press conferences by the administrators. Sure enough its factual, but there is never any substantial news that is not common sense. Where is that guy that walks snowy? Surely he has had a word with Whitty's maw or dad that is more illuminating! I for one would pay his dog license to get some better reporting done.

Snowy, stop sniffing your owners balls and sniff out some rumours. Pleeeeeease

Class! I was thinking the same. If only snowy the dug had ment Whyte we would not be in this mess...

12 Mar 2012 21:35:48
Hi Ed
Just a thought, why don’t we look at an ongoing fund for Rangers.
I would be happy to by my season book and them make a monthly payment of say £5 to £ 10 PM via a direct debit. We could also make this open to fans all over the world. I take it the business would have to pay tax on this income?
I would have thought for the next 3 to 5 years we could do this to capitalise the balance sheet so the club was cash rich and able to proceed forward. We need to get away from the situation where we are gambling millions of pounds on qualification to European football each year and we face a disaster if we don’t make it past the qualification stage.

Lots of clubs you pay a joining fee then an ongoing monthly fee. I would not think this would be a mandatory payment but an optional payment.

The cash you put in could be linked to shares you get back year on year.

Just a thought

Bro J
WATP {Ed001's Note - it could be a good way to regain fan ownership of the club, but you would have to have owners willing to do that.}

12 Mar 2012 21:14:03
Right bears, time to wake up and smell the coffee and stop been lured in by talk of takeovers. Lets look at the facts. Although Craig Whyte is the biggest crook ever, he is an intelligent one. What he has done may be unethical but I would suggest it is legal and thus he will be the secured creditor meaning he basically owns Ibrox and Murray Park. Secondly these very administrators were present when Whyte purchased the club and why was he so eager to have them as the administators? It is because he guaranteed them a pretty penny. Don't be fooled, these guys are in it for the money and Whyte. You WILL be liquidated, its only a matter of when. In the meantime, we'll be thinking of you all on Sunday as we head of the Hampden for the 1st leg of our treble. Hail, hail!! ..............martyc1888

12 Mar 2012 20:21:56
Mmm...came across this...doesnt look too good.

Company that lost a similar case to ours

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/practitioners/macdonald-v-dextra.htm

Dextra case not the same and has already been dismissed months ago by supposed experts

12 Mar 2012 19:45:09
ive heard that lawell preparing a complaint to sfa regarding rangers contractual policies , this was due 10 days ago but has bn held up with there qcs death , heard this from secetry at parkhead . this guy wants to get a grip worry bout his own club. paar for the course way that mob {Ed001's Note - he is worrying about his own club! If Rangers have been cheating their way to trophies, that has affected his club and he has a right, as do all the opposing clubs, to see that justice is done.}

And if it was the other way round would you expect Rangers to just ignore it and worry about their own matters? I doubt it.

1903

12 Mar 2012 19:25:39
OK bears serious points to discuss...
Most of us Tims do not want your club
dead, only injured so how about this...
If SPL/ SFA change rules and allow any
Rangers team back in SPL then the following
must happen...
10 points deduction for 3 years
3 year european ban
£1m held back from any tv money to
pay to clubs you owe money too
A timetable set up to pay back all
big debts including ALL TAXES and KEPT TO
Rangers MUST APOLOGISE to all SPL clubs
ok let's hear your thoughts bears
Timalloy

Firstly, the SPL/SFA have no right to decide what taxes Rangers owe. Do you not understand how a CVA works? It's not for them to decide, also why apologize to any team except for the ones we owe money too.

Why should we apologise to all spl clubs - we have filled their stadiums for years in away matches and created massive revenue streams for them - oh aye all of us fans will apologise for that!

Gers1986

Would rather go in div 3

That would be ideal! we would still pick up that trophy every season!
deejay

Take all your ideas put them in a big bag and throw them in the nearest BIN because you are forgetting 1 major fact we are not dead!

Gers1986

Get a life you halfwit firstly why would rangers need to be allowed back into spl as far as im aware we are already there. 2) i can see why you want 3 years of starting with 10 points deduction its the only way you lot will get near 4 in a row you got this seasons with the help of a 19 point deduction and administration.

wounded bear

LOL Timalloy are you sitting with a few cans of beer, some chicken and a fishing rod ? cos the amount of bites you got there was hilarious.

Thats u being serious ???


h yer a joke of a tiny sad little man


TB

@wounded, when did rangers get deducted 19 points I think you'll find it was 10 and even without the deduction you would still be 11 points behind. As for administration, this has to be the least destructive administration in history - two players have left you, one you hadn't paid for and looked like a donkey anyway and the other couldn't wait to get out as McCoist didn't play him. There is no doubt that the players may not be fully focused on their football but they knew they would always have a job - even at a another club. I have been made redundant and it does play on your mind when you know it is coming, but you get on with it - I'm sure that would put me off my work

19 point deduction an admin lol,even without 10 point deduction best team over season win,s i think. god you will cling on to lies.you reject reality an substatute your own.garlar07

That would work for me. 10 points off at the start and we would still rump the league...

12 Mar 2012 18:41:20
I'm just glad that we are the ONLY team in Britain who have allegedly misused the EBT, im also glad no other team is publicy hounded the way we have been,or are the great HMRC only capable of pursuing one club at a time,or maybe they win the case an go for everyone or lose the case get humiliated, waste millions then decide not to go after the rest, so then the question is who was pushing for rangers to be the first case, surely their were easier cases to go for to warm up with, so if we are the first and depending on what happens quite possibly the ONLY case, then what does that tell us?

They are not hounding yous , they just want the overdue taxes that you owe them .

This must be someone from duff and phelps posting this! they always seem to know more than anyone else!

Its tell us no one likes us - we don't care!

WATP

12 Mar 2012 17:51:04
At the mo the Blue Knights are Gers only chance and they do look weak. Everybodys looking for a bargain these days, so if you can buy the name of a historic club, buy the 50,000 seaters stadium, training grounds and a near certainty to get into European football for 7.5 million (10% of debts) then that's a bargain. But how low will HMRC go before saying no, or as in all tax cases that I ever heard they get there money or someone goes to jail. Softly softly is over. Gordon McQueen is right if Rangers goes under it will be bad for Scottish football and for Celtic regardless what they say, its going to be a bad day all round. Whose going to watch Celtic play Caley Thiste or Clyde?, without serious competition Celtic's form will drop too...Scottish football is on the brink for sure but if the revenue let an ex director buy a club for 10 or 20 p in the pound they setting a dangerous precedent. Any new owner can buy Rangers for a bargain but the HMRC debt will remain until paid off and that will cripple Ranges and Scottsh Football ! THere between a rock and a hard place.

The last alterntaive is liquidation and if this happens all best are off and no one can predict the outcome !

You cant prdict anything...the spl could become better and therer is no better time to change to help that then now.

You keep saying Celtic and spl this but what you should be saying how can the club as big as you are and its importance you have in spl, let it get to this point? so if the spl does go bad then it is because of your club and thats what its history would be...rankers were only thinking of themselves and they let the power get to thier head, they must have known you fans would have your head inthe sand in order to get away with it.

The blue knights can jog on

12 Mar 2012 17:18:32
You would think that all this talk of EBTs that we have already lost the case. I would remind you that the HMRC have taken three companies to court over these and lost all three.

It is no certainty that we will lose the case? Perhaps you lot with the tainted title to come back and accuse us ehen the decision is made public. Until then Perhaps you could go back to your page and give us all peace.

My concern is that they (HMRC) are learning valuable lessons from all the practice they have had up until now.

They've taken a lot more than three companies to court and have not lost the majority

12 Mar 2012 16:34:53
Rusty the tim you love to listen to!!!!right if rangers win the big tax case,settle with ticketus etc why would any1 want to buy them??there still due 15million to hmrc, prob 10 to 20 million for Craig whyte shares which when added up comes to between 30 and 40 million!!who would spend that on a 3rd place team at best with an average squad age of 35??exactly.Paul Murray doesn't seem to have the money and the men in the background don't seem to be wanting to splash the cash!face facts rangers fans Glasgow is covered in green and White with a European class team that will hit Europe by storm.the only players you's will attract are has beens or nearly beens where Celtic have 10million pound sammi or 20million double act in hooper and stokes!p.s none of barca midfielders could make the Celtic midfield!!now these are undisputed facts!!! Hail hail Glasgow green and White rusty the tim!!!!

Hahahhhahajahahhaha, welldone mate, that post gave me a right gd laugh. Brilliant

Wake up, wake up rusty, or you'll wet the bed again!

pipeman

Plz answer rusty is the worlds most succesfull club getting to you mate

I smell your fear Rusty, looks like we won't have to wait long for number 55. Looks like that ice cream has given you a brain freeze lol.

Haha 10 mil for Samaras, that is comedy gold, as for conquering europe, you struggled with Dundee Utd until they went down to 10 men realy cant see yous fairing too well with the opposition in Europe, I suppose you could try and out do yourselfs next year and get put out of the same euro competition 3 times! Stop your wet dreams of us getting liquidated aswell because I dont think its going to happen (I may be wrong though I very rarely am) and when we are back you will be back in 2nd place where you belong! WATP

AH72

Rusty who doesn't let anything especially rangers get to him the tim here!!I can't help if I speak the truth!am not judging you rangers fans but sometimes the truth hurts.it's better to hurt now for times a great healer!!!the only cure is going and watching total football so get yourself to parkhead

Barca at their best can only hope to be 'celticesque' /.................cough splutter etc

Rusty a think you need to stay off these pages and get out more often into the fresh air mate.Sammy £10million better midfield than Barcelona.I know we are going through a hard time and it's taken over your life but honestly mate fresh air might help.

None of the Barca midfielders could make the celtic midfield, really?

10 Million Drachmars?

Good days fishing there rusty 9 at the last count! I see your using a bit of foreign bait mixed with some homemade stuff....brilliant! I will try this cheeky little mixture sometime soon! Keep it mate!

Haha the full barca team will wipe out your 1st 11 for a place PMSL steeeeve

12 Mar 2012 16:09:36
Rangers Fc--Champions 2008/09
Rangers Fc--Champions 2009/10
Rangers Fc--Champions 2010/11
Celtc Fc --Champions 2011/12*
Rangers Fc-- Champions 2012/13
Rangers Fc -- Champions 2013/14
Rangers Fc...need i go on?
Fail Fail..............


*The year Rangers were in Administration.

Doesnt look nice with an Asterixxxx
now does it? ho ho ho

Rangers Fc--Champions 2008/09*
Rangers Fc--Champions 2009/10*
Rangers Fc--Champions 2010/11*
Celtc Fc --Champions 2011/12

* The years we used EBTs?

we shouldnt throw stones just yet mate

BluePeter

LOLOL your club are still no further forward than last week yet you post that ?

Rangers need close to 30m never mind the hmrc stuff new players, contracts renewed singed they took cuts etc

Not out of the wood work yet.... Infact no offer has been put in paper yet

Treble for me please

Lenny

BluePeter we didn't use EBTs in those years.

All this crap about ebt"s. They are perfectly legal...misuse is illegal. ..nothing proven yet...as someone has allready posted they can"t just invetigate one club...you gonna tell me there is not a few skeletons rattling ing cupboards in SPL and EP ? ..the poster could be right ..footballs Watergate !!

12 Mar 2012 13:06:10
Once again I have to question the actions of Duff and Phelps, despite what appeared reasonable news on Friday that their would be no redundancies due to the players striking agreements.

My worry is that this 3.6 million that is being discussed on the London courts will evaporate very quickly when you look at the costs. They went to court last week and are due back on 30th March - both of these appearances with QC, barristers, judges costs will cost a lot of money, now on today's STV website we see a pension fund - that surprise surprise CT Whyte is associated with, now say almost 3million of their money went to Rangers when it was not approved, so they want that back - now !

So all in all was it a good idea by D&P to go to court ?? Me thinks not....

Diamond Geezer

@Diamond geezer; another sensible rangers fan.D&P are running up an enormous bill themselves.Costs are escalating daily.........green jhedi

Geezer thought you vanished we not out the woods yet would prefer a take over than liquidation things must be paid we on right road for now if we beleave everything we read anyway how about the diamonds lending us couple players in the summer ... Kenny bluenose

Nah mate, I've left some stinking posts regarding the actions (or lack off) of duff an phelps, my views changed though, I think they no what's best for us and are acting in that way, fair do their racking up some bill but what alternative is there? They finish in two week to save us another bill? Then what state are we in, another admin team would of culled the whole club managing to strike a deal an keep assets for potential new owners was a great play by the two lads, proud for them and us!
PaulRFC

@Diamond geezer @green jhedi
By law the courts check over the final billing that are made by lawyers/administrators before signing anything off, so this should stop over billing a client.

Das Shadow

12 Mar 2012 11:13:22
Have I missed something, Mr Lemon was happy to comment on our clubs demise a few weeks ago and now he is considering a press ban due to unwanted reporting, has he finally accepted the fact that there is a light at the end of our tunnel and our great team will be back fighting for what is rightfully ours and has been for the last three seasons despite little or no investment. Also the jelly and ice cream posts have disappeared, a further acceptance by the hordes from the east end?
54 league titles and still going strong!!

Your type is why any sympathy for your club is vanishing rapidly.Lennon is sick of hacks inventing and bending quotes to cause headlines.This affects both teams so try and post some sense,unless you swallow what the tabloids tell you?.....green jhedi

Please leave Mr Lennon out of your comments and concentrate on the inadequacies of your manager.

Green Jhedi, firstly the title at the top of the page says Rangers Rumours/Banter and you refer to me as "my type". If you wish to scroll down a few posts you will see the "my type" from your own club, people who admit to posting bids to Rangers in their time of need to show support to save the club. "my type" are people who enjoy a bit of banter but more importantly the football and the team I support. You on the other hand could be questioned a fellow bear highlighted your postings on another site regarding the demise of Rangers. People in glass houses springs to mind.

Still enjoying the football........

I was the one who posted Green Jhedis post from the celtic pages to show people how much a hypocrite this guy is the post on this page was all about not wanting to see people lose their jobs and lively hood through cuts to staff and on the celtic pages he said that Rangers are nearly dead and to make sure they die (words to that effect) we and i quote here "we should not buy anything not a pie not a bovril not even a packet of crisps" at the up coming OF meeting. he didnt like being shown up for the hypocrite he is

Wounded Bear

No name poster(what a surprise)The quote i posted that you refer to was proved to have been distorted.By your type i mean the type that always has to have a pop at lennon. Might i remind you he has said nothing as bad as quotes from your "manager" when we had our financial trouble.Your little or no investment quote has been proved to be utter rubbish(check the figures) as is your "rightfull" claim to a title that,if memory serves,you had won in october.(mind the gap ring a bell)So i think your done,much like your team in fact.Enjoy your week,well till friday anyway......green jhedi

Wounded bear? thought you were highland bear? many gers fans posted in defence when i explained(which i'm not gonna go thru again)the facts of the post.Your quotes from the post are wrong(what a surprise) i want to make life as difficult as poss yes,see people lose jobs no.At that time i didnt think liquidation was a viable option,now i think it is.Things change,your name for example, Have you seen the quote from mccoist during Celtics financial trouble? bye,bye. watch out for friday.............green jhedi

Banter as I said previously! Like me a Rangers supporter and most of my Celtic minded colleagues and friends can enjoy on a daily/weekly basis.
"enjoy my week till Friday anyway" Will this be when you stop posting hypocritical posts on a Rangers site and as for comments from our manager," check the internet for quotes from your own manager first.
People in glass houses remember!

Still enjoying the football...........

Yes my name has Changed because i was informed that someone had already had claim to that name and i didnt want any confusion i must have really struck a nerve as you can remember my name and as for things changing there was approx 6 hours between your posts and you were bleating days before your post about Rangers going being liquidated.

YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE AND YOU HAVE BEEN FOUND OUT

Wounded Bear

But, as he said time and time again yet you chose to ignore it, he sympathised with those who were going to lose jobs. You call him a hypocrite when he isn't but you refuse to read properly or understand his posts or those of many on here backing him up. Does that make you an idiot, WB?

Wounded Bear you are right gjhedi and the like want RFC out the game.
He has also posted that when RFC goes it just leaves the marching season - what has that got to do with it? Or do you have a hidden aganda gjhedi?
He's on the other page listing out the faults of anybody taking RFC over as if no one else in the entire planet knows what he knows. He's an expert - currently administration, takeovers and liquidation. He's learned his trade from his mrs and the shifts on his burger van.
He hates RFC and wants us down and out the game permanently. A Hoopy Hypocrite - is there any other type?
Cheese n chips.

@cheese n chips;what are you gibbering about?You cant know what i meant as it wznt posted,only ed seen it.Yes my wife is a financial expert(much more than you will ever know)but this is not her field of expertise.Of course i want rangers down,im a tim! No hidden agenda i,like every other normal person is fed up with grown men in funny clothes wandering around celebrating a skirmish over 300 years ago.I run my own buisness(not a burger van,but theres good money in them)and thats why i cant see how an investor would put money in without liquidating.As for rangers,just guess work like every one else.as for rangers out the game? thats never gonna happen,too big in my opinion,but a new start up i think(again only my opinion) as your debt is increasing daily. anythinge else? just ask............green jhedi

12 Mar 2012 10:59:19
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World famous socks! jeeze you need to get out more.

So u are paying ticketus the money u owe, good.
What about everyone else now?

12 Mar 2012 10:09:30
In the last few years certain ex pats who have changed their own names to appear less Scottish and in turn British and other nameless people who have set up web sites solely in an attempt to harm our club during the big tax case have constanly tried to kill of the Rangers

Just wondering what they'll do next if we do actually win big tax case or lose it but still survive?

What will they do to fill their days after it's all over?

BFH

It will not be over for along time,you think the great whyte will roll over an play dead,he will hide as much as he can just to piss people off.garlar07

12 Mar 2012 09:45:08
Anyone heard anything about this Rangers Fans Fighting Fund supposed to be started by Ally and Walt? Thought there was going to be a press conference launch on Sat but seen nowt! LaineyBlue

Www.redblackrangers.com - you buy a scarf, Iv bought mine.

J

12 Mar 2012 09:07:15
Well this is it bears, the week all bids have to be in and D&P can go public and let us all know who and what level of interest. (££££££s).

How can they bid,in aweek takeovers take months to complete,these guy,s will want to know the in,s an out,s of everything protect their investment,would you buy a house not knowing everything about it.garlar07

Anybody interested must look to liquidate and go newco.D&P bill alone will reach around 1m.

They wanted serious offers in by the end of the week, they also said that they wanted a potential takeover done and dusted any the end of the season. Why don't people read things properly before making silly comments.

How can you make a serious offer if you dont know what you are getting into,you need to know the facts first.will they just say ah here,s a 100 million bid if it,s not enough let me know,these guy,s dont let their hearts rule their heads,they want to know facts,is four days enough to do this.garlar07

12 Mar 2012 08:41:54
Former director and part of the old tainted board Paul King is in the DR saying its him, ticketus and three 'interested' businessmen. Curiously nothing is mentioned of the three making financial contributions and the only investment mentioned is from ticketus, who will provide the working capital until a share issue (whereby ticketus get their money back and walk away?).
Others 'with money and ideas' are invited to join the knights, suggesting their bid is currently underfunded and lacks imagination.

Exactly. Been saying for weeks,you need to read between the lines in all this.

Thought it was Paul Murray?

BigBear1873

12 Mar 2012 07:51:16
i cannot wait untill we get ourselves back where we belong and every celtic fan will not know what to say or think, exciting times ahead!

Thing is....the team we have is actually good enough to win the league, as soon as we get a couple of new good players celtic wont have a chance, coz there absolute guff

What a load of gibberish.Take away the ten point penalty and your still miles behind.You say that then say you need a few GOOD players?Exciting times ahead? No boubt about that,only four days till friday.

Don't flatter yourself mate lol, if we hadn't went into administration, then things would have been different ( league table wise and players attitudes) we would still be fightin feck probably panned out. to be 1st the now, haha still miles behind big wow! want a hat and balloon? the full of rangers has been hit hard! their not the same players as before, they will be having sleepless nights on tryin to live on paycuts etc, people might think this is stupid but its the tiny wee things that make the difference, steeeeve

12 Mar 2012 02:38:42
question why are yous great bears not playing football this weekend,tell you why you are crying into your ice cream and jelly,wishing if only,if only you did not cheat,if only you paid,if only we had a blue knight get real, b

If only we won the last round of the cup maybe? thats all. try again timmy.

12 Mar 2012 00:40:12
Keep Hearing The Rumour That HMRC Will Drop The Tax From 49 Million To 4.9 Million If We Get Rid Of Craig Whyte And Also A Unnamed Billionaire Is In Advanced Talk About Buying The Club

Its ok mate you are only dreaming b

Wake up mate its morning b

See after the drink wears aff you aes still in deep sh*t ,and a big game coming up but then stewart will make you look good the same way as your last win a helping hand from terry,if you pay them first they might look as if they are trying win dont spoil the party b

Of course they are! Billions they have, just waiting to invest in a club losing 1 mill a month. Good luck with that.

Sounds like the dream i had last night son

rangersroy

An unnamed billionaire?. rangers seem to attract lots of billionaires. is his name Walter Mitty, perhaps, and does he come from motherwell or monaco?

HMRC will not drop the demand.They knocked back 11m in jan '11,so do you really think they are gonna accept 7m less while the debt gets higher? The only show in town is Paul Murray's consortium,which looks like a jumbled mix of unknowns.The more in his consortium,the more indecision in direction.Friday is the key as i think the admin team just want this signed off asap.Huge outlay in wages etc coming up.

If you tell your doctor, he will help get rid of those voices in your head. LOL Timalloy

Wher you hearing that? D&P perhaps........green jhedi

Getting told. American, far east, paul murray, blue knights etc.etc.etc, why suddenly now when nobody else was interested when whyte bought us.

The reason why it was knocked back was because they dont want to do any deals with craig shyte!, can you lot not see that? can you not just sit back and see that we are actually not going ANYWHERE! sir ally was right. and what? is it a crime that billionaires (possibly) want to look at or even buy us? naw its not, what? it is a crime cos a billionaire doesn't want to buy you lot, obviously they see somethin that you don't see obviously for a fact cos you hate us so much so your opinions don't really matter in the slightest oh oh guess what? WE WILL BE BACK VERY VERY SOON! steeeeve

Err,it was murray that made the offer to HMRC

We dont need a billionaire to buy us.Two on the board already..........green jhedi

To the poster above,they didn't want to make a deal with him either, steeeeve