Rangers Banter Archive February 12 2014

12 Feb 2014 19:49:20
Well done to the rst and all the bears for the 50k shares purchase hopefully they can keep building it up and get somebody that's trust worthy on the board.

Anyone from rst on here? I have a question for them.

Have rst considered inviting existing fan shareholders to join the scheme or even give their proxy to rst as some shareholders have given to sandy easdale

The rst sat their first target is to get 5 % as that would give them certain rights. Individual fans already hold between 8-10 %

Maybe they should give this some thought, if they haven't already

That being said the problem would be if there is a difference of opinion between all stakeholders

JG

13 Feb 2014 19:12:01
Give our proxies to the rst? The same rst that "held discussions" with first whyte then green and came out pompously announcing they were "encouraged"? The same rst run by that fatuous self-serving paranoid narcissist dingwall? Yeah great idea - the "power" might bloat his head so much it'll burst, which would be a result. Not sure it would do anything to change the dynamics round the board table though.

I read on another page if the rst had spent another nicker on two more shares they would have more shares than j easdale

This is why the buy shares scheme wontwork the idea is great but as usual the supporters can not follow one leader all groups should get together and try to find a way to work together as Hearts did I nhave shares as a lot of other fans have and would be willing to hand them oer to a proxy but I would need to see that the proxy was the right one we can't have these factions all nit picking we the fans have the power to have a say in our club but not a long as we are divided

Cooperboy - I was only asked a question, which I thought was an obvious one

Any regular on here knows my view on fans owning shares

It does not have to be through a scheme such as RST have,
if fans want to spend 20 quid per month on shares then just go and buy them.
When it comes to AGM/EGM's fans can organise or campaign for / or against resolutions,
Fans currently own approx 8-10%, this is not enough to make a significant difference,
more combined votes, more say, that's how it works

JG

14 Feb 2014 22:20:59
@5 No JG that's not how it works. that's how you'd like it to work, not how it actually works. In reality how it works is every "leader of fans" around gets taken in by whyte, green and whoever next tells them whatever they want to hear. They're all so pleased as punch to be invited up the marble staircase for a "discussion" that they lack the bottle, never mind the insight, to ask the kind of hard questions that need to be asked face to face during those discussions. They sit there all serious faced like the self-infatuated clowns they are. Some fans are happy with leaders like that and think that maybe if we all gave our votes to them that would make some kind of difference. Others see right through them and wouldn't trust them as far as they could throw them. So we don't combine because we don't agree. that's how it works in real life.

{Ed039's Note - You have a little bit of a point Pauline, most of these guys just want a seat somewhere and a tie and a blazer)

Well said pauline I think these fan leaders are told the questions they are not allowed to ask ie the real questions cause if banned questions are asked meeting will be terminated end of

15 Feb 2014 11:02:02
Thanks Ed039. Never been one to use six words when I can use a dozen but yes that's exactly what I meant in a nutshell. Combined votes only mean fan power if those entrusted with the votes have the b#lls to use the votes effectively. Dingwall & co certainly dont.

12 Feb 2014 17:03:01
Ok so Ally is doing great in the league ( wouldn't expect any less considering the budget he's got the facility's he's got and the size of squad he's got)

and yes we have reached the Quarter finals of a major cup and will probably reach the semis but let's not get carried away here name one team that we have played to get this far that on paper had a chance of beating us ok you get the odd fluke like Morton beating Celtic or Forfar beating us but realisticly we have had no competition in reaching this far Albion Rovers have had a harder journey. I know this is not Rangers fault but let's put this into perspective.

i have stated right from the beginning before administration and liquidation that in my opinion Ally was not ready to take on the job as Rangers manager. remember our quick exit from both European tournaments league cup exit to Falkirk and booted out of the scottish cup from Dundee Utd not to mention the 15 points lead over Celtic that he allowed to be overturned all in one season that is unacceptable for a Rangers Manager.

how many of you guys out there think Ally would have still been in a job if we had not imploded financially, fair do, s to him for sticking around but what options did he have his managerial stock was rank rotten so his chances of another job in managment was limited and there is also the 850000 other reasons for sticking around

i hope to god we can go on and win the scottish cup because if any fans deserves a bit of luck it us. but it will not change my views on Ally as a manager If he leads us to the top tier and finishes in the top four on our return I will be the first to come on here and apologise and eat humble pie I honestly hope Ally proves me wrong as he has given me many memorable moments when he was in a Rangers top


Lochaber Bear

LB - Falkirk?

JG

I totally agree with everything you say regarding ally. the jury is still out on him managerial wise as I could be the rangers manager just now. however my point regarding ally is he will have had 3 years experience in the lower leagues so hopefully when and if we reach the premier league he "should" be more experienced. in my opinion I don't think he has it but I would be willing to give him one year in the premier. also TV will be queuing up to sign him if he fails.

@ JG didn't we lose to falkirk 3-2 in Allys first season I think Steven Presley was manager no doubt the Ed will correct me if i'm wrong I think it was the week after we pumped Celtic 4-2


Lochaber Bear

{Ed039's Note - Correct LB, Falkirk scored in the last minute when Neil Alexander should have done better)

On the bright side Ally will have gained 3 years of managerial experience which should have him better prepared in the SPL. Not sure how good a manager you need in the SPL, don't rate NL.

@ steerpike never really looked at it that way M8 but your right when Ally took over as manager I wished he, d had a few years under his belt as amanager in his own right.

But I really don't think this stint in the lower leagues will have given him much experience because of the quality of players we have compared to the competition many of Allys tactical mistakes would go unnoticed but time will tell

Lochaber Bear

That's why I answered your question with Falkirk LB

JG

The tactics of judas mccoist hasn't changed. he plays not to lose, rather than to win. he was forced to play two wingers against dunfermline. funny how we always seem to get better results when we play with two wingers, rather than his usual style of punting the ball up the park for daly.

@OP I don't really get the point of your post. Ally is the manager and isn't going anywhere and has the backing of the dressing room, the management and the majority of supporters.

Whether you end up eating humble pie I don't know but I'm sure we'll give a good account of ourselves in trying to win both cups.

12 Feb 2014 10:11:41
I would just like to take this opportunity in wishing rangers wee nacho novo all the very best of luck at carlisle utd, I'm sure all rangers supporters will echo this as the wee man is rangers to the core, so good luck nacho in your new career at carlisle utd, you deserve it, you will always be one of us forever and thanx for all the brilliant times & memories you gave me & all the other rangers fans, your loyalty will never be forgotten!

Of all the old players being mentioned for a return to Ibrox, Nacho is the only one I would be glad to welcome home. Wish him all the best and hope he does enough to earn himself a longer contract somewhere.
Getting on a bit in footballing terms but I have no doubts that he will more than make up for his lack of legs with his abundance of heart and brains.
More than welcome at Ibrox any day.
Good luck Mate.

Dunc I would never have him yes he was rangers to the core but a great player no he was a good sub at best
some people talk about him being a legend people like davie coper willb spinning n the grave at that thought

Dado Prso couldn't lace these lads boots! But for us younger guys who weren't lucky enough to be alive to enjoy these truly glorious days, we still need our heroes as well. Every generation needs players who show more than the others who are simply there for they money. Sadly as the money increases, these type of players get less and less.
Nacho was one who truly loved the club. In recent times, these type of players were few and far between.
Fair enough, he was no legend but he was amongst the most rangers hearted players we have had at Ibrox for many a year.
For us younger supporters, he will always be thought of fondly.

Nacho will always be a Rangers legend. Good scoring record against Celtic, a fantastic winner in the Scottish cup final, the goal against Red Star which got us into the Champions League and of course the winning penalty to get us into the UEFA cup final. No he wasn't the most skilful player ever to play for the club but he gave everything and always ran his heart out for the team. We could ask for no more from such a player

Nach maybe was not a world beater but he gave 100%all the time and he would be better coming of the bench than some thst sits on it at the minute I would rather seen nacho back than stevie smith (no dierespect meant)