Rangers Banter Archive September 11 2015

 

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11 Sep 2015 18:08:15
happy 73rd birthday to the greatest ever ranger john greig



11 Sep 2015 21:17:06
same here to Mr rangers



12 Sep 2015 08:00:14
Can't see the point in disagreeing, anyone who makes 73 should be congratulated.

Both he and Billy McNeil should have been knighted years ago.



12 Sep 2015 10:12:37
i see the usual idiots have disareed



12 Sep 2015 11:30:50
I have to admit on some occasions I have hit the disagree button because I am too hashy and associate it with the comment in the same box



11 Sep 2015 16:16:40
so, i'm sitting at lunchtime tucking into my bacon sandwich and reading the rangers banter page, my god i nearly chocked. here's why, someone posted stating that if mccoist and his mum are allowed into the directors box then this 'fan' won't ever step another foot in ibrox again. heimlich manoeuvre applied and here i am writing my response 😩

1. good, stay away, its knuckle draggers like this that keep the club from moving forward.

2. mccoist is a legend and always will be. yes he made a mess of it but lets say king was in charge when mccoist was about, things might or might not have been different, the man worked in unbelievable conditions and to be fair walter smith, alex ferguson etc probably would not have got us out of the mess either. having a foundation allows you to build. we had a hole full of boardroom clowns.

3. it was his money, he is entitled to it! if i worked for rangers, and god knows i love them, i wouldn't walk away without my money either. its not as though mccoist deliberately made an mess of it. he signed what he could, there was no scouting dept, no philosophy, nothing.

mccoist tried to build a club whilst ex players walked away and thieves in suits tried to strip the club at every moment. yes he could have played youth, could have bought better players, could not have made contradictory statements re the clowns in the boardroom, but my god the man was trying his best to keep the club and the fans together when everyone else was trying to tear us apart. so i ask the question to every man in the forum. if you had to work in the conditions which mccoist did whether you're a bus driver, factory worker or whatever, would you walk away without your money?

just because its rangers or your a fan is neither here nor there. its a work place, what was mccoist expected to achieve when he had no support. lets say w&w were in charge when all the clowns were still in the boardroom, would we be seeing the football we are seeing just now? i very much doubt it.



11 Sep 2015 18:11:47
superb post well said coldo



11 Sep 2015 17:49:00
mccoist is a legend and always will be welcome at ibrox, he didn't have a clue in the managerial side warburton has proved this but the guy was one of the best no.9s we have ever had



11 Sep 2015 20:59:13
Here here coldo. Very well said mate.



11 Sep 2015 20:38:46
Sorry but Ally was up part time teams for the first 2 years after the collapse and had a wages budget of £6m. We were embarrassed by part time teams and the football was shocking. Ally totally disregarded youth and brought in older players with no sell on value. Not one player improved under him and his record in the cup competitions was a disgrace. I don't dispute that the money paid to him wasn't his fault but to tell the fans he didn't know what he was on as he didn't look at his contract insults our intelligence. He was a great club striker who excelled in Scottish football but struggled at the highest level.



11 Sep 2015 20:51:36
Coldo did you wash your bacon sandwich down with 10 pints of lager!
What are you on man?
On point 1:The guy is having a knee-jerk reaction to Ally's latest money orientated decision, I'm sure he'll be back putting money INTO the club.
On point 2:When I was being taken to Ibrox by my dad 40 odd years ago, I was told you only get 1 chance to sign for Rangers! Ally got 3! a legend doesn't wait till the price is right to sign! Unbelievable conditions! yes the second largest wage budget in Scotland, top class facilities, 40 odd thousand every home game, all to beat part-time teams! aye what a struggle that must have been.
True! we had a boardroom full of crooks and spivs! AH! but wait a minute!!! were they not all endorsed by your "Legend" Helped along by 1p shares. He more than anyone must have been able to see what was happening yet did nothing.
Now point 3:If his contract says he gets x amount then that is what he should get, whether he is entitled to it is a matter of opinion. Most people have to work to justify a wage, are you saying what we got from Ally was worth it?
No, he didn't deliberately make a mess of it, he was just useless, this was visible as far back as the 2007/2008 season when he took charge of cup ties, He signed what he could, the various boards never knocked him back for any player he wanted, he picked the players and then proceeded to turn 1st team SPL players into well paid useless duds in the 1st div & then the championship.
There was no scouting, well knowing this, could Ally not have got off his well upholstered backside and went looking at players himself? I mean he was on £800k a year FFS! He could have done it when he embarrassed the club (and cost us money through lost retail sales etc) by having weekend games against part-time teams called off before Scotland games instead of playing golf.Show at least a tiny bit of professionalism.
I honestly think the only thing in Ally's mind was himself everything else was secondary and that includes us the Supporters. Why else the contempt he showed us with his "I didn't even read my contract" & having a karaoke after one of the most humiliating results in our history, to the Ian Black betting against the team scandal.
If I worked under comparable conditions in my job, I think I could cope with the same salary as him. But here's the rub!! If I performed to his standard I would have been sacked after the equivalent of the defeat at Stirling Albion and I would have expected it, without gardening leave!!! but football rewards failure and Ally is living proof.
Rangers Record Goalscorer yes.
Rangers Legend? NEVER!



12 Sep 2015 06:25:16
Have to laugh when I here people saying poor ally he didn't have a scouting system. Warburton doesn't have 1 either but look at what he's done in 2months. It's called being a good coach/manager Mccoist was to lazy to know anything about players in Scotland never mind England.



12 Sep 2015 08:31:46
Spot on Coldo.

It depresses me coming on to this site and reading some of the - in my humble opinion - pish that some of our supporters attempt to write about McCoist. Everyone is entitled to a view and that's what Rangers Banter is about I guess - and mine is that to give a guy who has given so much of his life to Rangers such vitriolic abuse beggars belief. Ironically, I just hope that the short memories that prevail on this site continue and - over time - McCoist is elevated back up to the status he deserves for the role he has played at Ibrox since joining from Sunderland. (And staying despite the games where the whole Copland Road stand was standing as one singing the jaunty ditty "Ally, get tae f#'k, Ally Ally, get tae f#'k" after he missed another sitter).

John Grieg - the greatest ever Ranger - was vilified by media and fans alike for his latter managerial performance and for hanging on to Jock Wallace's team and showing too much loyalty to the likes of Jardine, etc. To be fair, their was less controversy over his departure and notice period, but there was - rightly - huge controversy over his woefully inept and robotic Sportscene presenting performance and general all-round punditry ("don't talk to me about Chris Waddle - worst player in Britain......."). Anyway, the point is - he left Ibrox under a cloud and look at his status now. Here's hoping it's the same for McCoist.

I, for one, really look forward to his book which will undoubtedly come out at some point telling his side of the story which, probably, no-one apart from him (and his ghost writer) knows. Hopefully, he'll have the good grace to wait a few years but I would bet a substantial sum that many of his current detractors will reverse their opinion of him when they realise the conditions he had to work under towards the end of his tenure at Ibrox. (For the record, I'm not defending Rangers' performances under his management, especially last year, I'm defending him).

Given his service to Rangers as player, bench-warmer (and he stayed when it would have been easier to go when Souness didn't fancy him), Assistant Manager, Manager (a role to which he was not suited but Paul Le Guen - who was here today and gone tomorrow but is more respected by some despite his chaotic stewardship of the team) and Ambassador for the club at a time when no-one else stood up to the plate - I have absolutely no problem with him having taken whatever he could from the club that was legally his.

I wish the man well and hope that, like Grieg, he can come back to Rangers as employee (but perhaps not Manager), guest, ambassador, whatever - with his head held high and with the full support of the fans - even the one's spouting off on here that are either too young to know what he has done or who have simply jumped on the bandwagon.

I don't like the abuse he is getting and I'll get some for this but at least I've got it off my chest now.

Cheers.



12 Sep 2015 11:19:19
Very. Well put m8, he is a legend, awful manager. But we don't know The Facts, which I suspect are beyond our wildest imagination. some people on here are not ranGers fans remember, many would like to think they're taking us for fools, wouldn't you abhab
Coisty story has a lot of mileage yet, and may yet end in the high court.
Tommy



12 Sep 2015 13:42:37
So, Bruisedbear, I have attempted to write about your "legend". Just a thought though, is any of it true?. No short memories from me! I mentioned he chose Sunderland over Rangers for money. So when he signed I was always sceptical. I won't and can't fault his goalscoring record, and, I cheered everyone of them (as I have every goal my team have scored) but for him to be mentioned in the same sentence as John Greig!

Some of what you say of John Greig's managerial career is true, but to set you straight. John Greig was too loyal to some players "Jardine etc" but Sandy Jardine (another real Rangers Legend) left Ibrox and was POTY when he moved to Hertz.John Greig didn't have a "notice period" John Greig resigned with dignity, a big difference from sitting on your fat posterior grabbing £17K a week from a contract you never allegedly even read. Well at least you can always console yourself with the fact that your opinion of a legend is better on the TV than mine! Can't wait to hear Ally's wonderful insight into the champions League matches or even our games now!

No John Greig never left Ibrox under any sort of cloud.
Given his service to Rangers! you make Ally sound like he was doing it out of the goodness of his heart! Jesus the club paid him a substantial salary in all the positions you have mentioned & up until a few days ago still were. Even now he came to a settlement, he didn't just tear the remainder of his unread contract up! He simply has no shame! and you want him back as an employee!

Don't you feel conned by your legend over his statements about previous boards? statements designed to get supporters like you (I assume) and me to spend our HARD-EARNED wages on season tickets, buy shares at 70p while he gets his at 1p, don't you feel your legend was taking money as wages under false pretences, knowing he was not up to the job, being lazy & unprofessional.
If none of the above bothers you, well, I truly despair!
As I said:
Rangers record goalscorer, Yes
Rangers Legend, NEVER!



12 Sep 2015 15:21:16
Tomtom12 I would say it's a cert mccoist will be a star witness in the up and coming court case, I also think that's his reason for saying nowt, as things stand,



12 Sep 2015 17:37:59
not so youngwinston 1

You should write for a red-top.

You use the word legend with quotation marks as though you were quoting my post. I never used that term once and never referred to him as a legend.

How do you know Greig didn't have a notice period? How do you know he didn't get a pay-off? Did McCoist resign? Who knows? Thing is, in Greig's era, the Rangers board had some integrity and dignity and the whole thing would not have been played out for the media.

I certainly never insinuated that McCoist did anything out of the goodness of his heart - but on saying that did he not work for £0 at some point around 2012? Again, who knows?

And to say Greig didn't leave under a cloud is pants. Any manager who resigns because of results or is sacked because of results leaves under a cloud. Fans, the media, the board wanted him punted because it wasn't happening on the park - but he's now regarded as a legend. Things change over time and I'm hoping that they change for McCoist too.

I don't feel conned by anything he did. I am only sorry that he couldn't deliver as a manager but I don't think it was for lack of effort or emotional attachment to the club.

I believe he's been a good servant to Rangers. Other's don't - especially because, I suspect, they are raw and last season's performances were amongst the worst ever from a Rangers team with the worst ever finances and the worst ever board. Fair enough. Onwards and upwards.

Cheers



11 Sep 2015 17:07:10
To "Doiger" and others regarding charity bets placed, tomorrow will be a big test for Celtic especially after International break and game at Pittodrie, but if my particular bets lose, I have money set aside for nominated charity, we Celtic fans pride ourselves on repaying any debts accrued unlike a certain other Glasgow South side club lol



11 Sep 2015 19:09:45
Good for you Timalloy. What do you want - a medal? Individuals can decide if they wish to donate their own cash to charities and if so, which charities. I think you are rather deluded and a bit of a wind up merchant. If I bet on the Aberdeen v Celtic game tomorrow my money will be on Aberdeen. So stop preaching about charity bets and get a life.



11 Sep 2015 20:41:42
Well said Doiger.



11 Sep 2015 19:09:51
Glad to hear it because your clubs going to have to find an extra £4m this season. Never mind you can always make up the shortfall being a feeder club to the EPL's feeder club.



11 Sep 2015 19:18:44
Tim?

You are right one should always pay your debt!!

As it is his anniversary it reminds of the debt celtic paid to the great Jock Stein - promoted him out of the club!!



11 Sep 2015 20:29:19
Just you make sure you get that provvy debt paid, Tim.Never mind the bookies.



11 Sep 2015 22:29:19
Marathon bear I just read about there new (latest) 4 million loss, but have yet to read there supporters even mention it, there up to there eyeballs with a certain bank, never hear them mention that either, very forgetful people that lot,



12 Sep 2015 15:26:35
Dodger get in there mate, give em it tight, I just had a wee peep on there site and none other than dh has just typed this is the worst celtic team he has seen ever, yet when they went one up he was praying they've not missed the boat by not signing a striker, but minuets later there the worst, he is ordering a couch for them outgoing players, honestly, have a look, I mean a laugh.



11 Sep 2015 10:41:27
I would just like to put out there to fellow gers, I am glad that king/McCoist have reached and agreement, it now stops apparent gers slating a club legend like super ally, he was more than entitled to sit tight and keep collecting money which the old regime gave him.now that's done we can concentrate on romping this league and remember all the good things ally did for the club, yes, he wasn't the best manager but as a player there is not much better, thanks for everything ally, once a legend, always a legend!WATP



11 Sep 2015 13:32:50
What do you mean apparent gers slating Mccoist? Let's get something straight Mccoist is giving up his contract because he is close to to securing a lucrative tv deal not because his love of all things rangers. Just because I slate Mccoist about being a money grabber and atrocious manager it doest make me less a rangers supporter than you forfarger



11 Sep 2015 14:31:04
Couldnt agree more hooly78, he's a greedy so and so and his legendary status is gone forever in my eyes.



11 Sep 2015 14:14:55
So by your logic Forfarger, if you had a really good friend years ago, but it turned out they had a shot at your Mrs, this would be viewed as ok because they were once a good friend and should only be thought of in this manner. Gees peace!



11 Sep 2015 20:45:35
Forfarger

Are you having a laugh saying their wasn't much better players than Ally? He wouldn't make a list of the top 1000 players ever to play the game. He was a great club scorer in the Scottish league but tell me how he did in the champions league, World Cup and Euro championships? How many goals did he score in these tournaments and how many did he score against the top world nations?



11 Sep 2015 19:16:38
You still bitter about that alrus?Plenty more fish in the sea.Move on mate.



11 Sep 2015 09:48:51
Sure some of you will remember the goals, the cheeky chappy and some of you will remember his dire management, personally that would make it a 1-1 draw at the moment but if any of you choose to rewrite history and gloss over this side to McCoist then you are doing your club a huge disservice.

October 21 2011 on Craig Whyte. "It's great, it's smashing, me and Craig have a great working relationship."

December 21 2012 on Charles Green. "Charles is forthright and opinionated. I'd rather have him that way. The difference between Charles and the man who was in charge before him is like night and day."

March 8 2013 The day after Green said it was the worst Rangers team ever. "He was 100% right in what he was saying. He was just trying to give everybody a realistic idea of where we are at the moment and he was spot on."

A month later Green talked of his little P*** friend and Ally said this on Apri 7 2013. "I'm not sure how many titles Charles has won in his career but I've been very fortunate to win 14 at our football club." It took him 30 days to finally back his squad and only after Green's big mouth had got him in trouble.

And then this beauty came along, as staggering an indictment of his love of money and self-preservation as you will find. May 4 2013 when asked about the huge amount of cash Rangers have spent on the squad. "If I'm going to be totally selfish about it I would have to spend it to get out of the division and keep me Kenny McDowall, Ian Durrant and the rest of the staff in a job." Wow, just wow.

But it didn't stop there, he had further executives to endorse. Of Craig Mather he said on August 7 2013 "The chief executive and the manager is arguably the biggest working relationship in the club and it is safe to say and see that we are getting on absolutely fine."

Then some contradictory sound bytes followed.

November 23 2013 "It would be suicidal for me to vote against the board."

December 14 2013 "I don't know how I'm going to vote."

December 16 2013 "I'm giving my voting rights to the fans as I promised to do when I got them." But presumably forgot about two days ago eh?

So there you have it a contradictory, self preserver who only moved when the current was already in his favour and a guy who backed spiv after spiv after spiv if the price was right, be it penny shares or a whopping amount of cash to spend on his squad that would help keep him in a job, his words not mine by the way.



11 Sep 2015 13:26:17
Gaz1 it never ceases to amaze me just how much time and effort you dedicate to our great club.
Sure there are guys on here who welcome your opinions less than a melanoma, I however quite enjoy your wee digs as it serves as a continual reminder that it is in fact ALL ABOUT THE RANGERS!



11 Sep 2015 11:51:22
The teams playing well?



11 Sep 2015 17:19:16
Much as it pains me to agree with one of the Rangers OCD patients.

Gaz 1 is 100% accurate and correct in his analysis of Judas and I would add the classic he didn't read his contract sh*te was one that really got my back up, insulting and patronising in one short comment/lie.

Also it never gets much airplay but his petulant child outing of the 3 Judges wax the most ignorant and frankly dangerous thing a person could ever do in those circumstances. Factions, thankfully very small and disappearing ones, but yes factions of our support send explosive devices to Lennon and 2 other Celtic connected media people. These people are dangerous and to publicly out these 3 Judges was for me personally a disgrace for a Rangers manager shameful

Thank god for King and Warburton Rangers in safe professional hands at long last.



11 Sep 2015 19:43:57
Like I said yesterday Gazza, you were all over a Celtic thread like a rash, I don't expect clarity or sense from you, just consistency please.

I was pondering whether to mention the outing of the 3 judges KT as it never actually impacted Rangers, he also kicked up hell about Hearts not getting fined £100,000 when they went into administration only to find out that is was Rangers lawyer who actually suggested it. He had his moments in the past three years that's for sure but while there are still three monkeys imitating, unquestioning followers like Coldo I'd say his reputation shall remain intact.



11 Sep 2015 21:00:15
Gaz1 like I said replying to a post containing the word Celtic doesn't mean I'm fixated with them. I know it's hard for you but do try and keep up!
Also while we are on the subject of "consistency "didn't you tell us all recently you had little time for Rangers? Evidently that ain't true as lately you're in serious danger of making Big Wull look like a bit part player on here.



11 Sep 2015 22:08:28
I didn't see your reply, apologies. How would it be hard for me to keep up? Am I not FIXATED by this place? More contradiction Gazza, it sounded a good wee line at the time no doubt but alas it fell on it's arse.

Gazza I have been posting in here for nearly 4 years, okay. Unless you are obsessed to the extreme with me I would be surprised if you know if I am posting more, less or the same than at any time during those years. Do you know? Thought not. For what it is worth I'd say I am posting less.

I was actually wondering how this post would be received some of it would see it factually, as he uttered every word I quoted but I also knew there would be those who no matter how accurate a criticism is, how precise in its detail a point was that would instantly jump on the poster because it criticised anything to do with the mighty Rangers, facts, relevance, detail, truth, who gives one flump eh Gazza?

Green, Whyte et al loved folk like you, the never doubting plankton feeders they can dupe with any old crap but god forbid a hint of accuracy coming from a Celtic perspective. That's to be ridiculed or ignored by personal attack from moment one, good for you Gazza, you lived up to their expectations one more time.

I don't have a lot of time for Rangers but I have a lot of time for correcting history rewriting people, try and appreciate that they are not mutually exclusive. If you fail to, lie down for a while.



12 Sep 2015 08:16:40
Gaz1 a predictable and repetitive reply as usual. You will ramble on with the same boring criticisms our club and its fans but in typical ceptic fashion you reject the same when you get some back.

It was a perfectly valid point, you are fixated so clearly the line never fell on its arse! Proof if any be needed ( and its not because people know fine exactly what you are) comes from your own admission of posting on here for four years. FOUR YEARS! ffs.

I wouldn't waste 5 minutes on your mobs site due to the undiluted bile that's on there relating to us. I believe they have a whole section dedicated to Rangers, says it all realy.

Like I say I quite enjoy your wee outbursts as it highlights the depth of ill feeling you have toward this club. But so you know gaz, so we are crystal here, the real fans on here are well aware of our failings both past and present. We know ok! We get it. So realy there's no need for a "Celtic perspective" no matter how factually correct you think you are. You then hilariously accuse others of personal attack because you're only intension is to lead us to the truth? Now be honest gaz isn't the real reason you come on, to attack, attack, and attack again ? To put up credible argument you must be able to accept your own failings and in you're case gaz there are plenty.

Also for the record, you're own bottom feeders (no doubt you were among them) tolerated many more years in the wilderness under the whites, Kelly's and the grants than we ever did blindly following celic while they were busy filling their pockets at the same time. Glass houses son, glass houses.



12 Sep 2015 08:43:29
It's seem strange that you say you enjoy them, if so why the lengthy unimaginative 20 line moanfest about them? Make your mind up do you like them or not.

Meantime why do you never engage in what I say? Not once have you debated or disputed a point. "Factually correct you think you are" name once you've debated with me and proved otherwise? Till then if all you are going to do is moan, make nonsense psycho babble and then, strangely, say you enjoy it when I write then don't bother okay because you will not be getting engaged with an answer. Gazza you are a one trick pony, moan but never analyse, accuse but never debate, point but never contribute, saw tons of you, wag all day but actually say nothing.



12 Sep 2015 14:40:22
Nonsense Psycho babble? Get a grip gaz for gods sake. The reason I don't get engaged as you call it is because there is no point.

Someone like you who feels the need to regularly vent your feelings on a rivals site is never going to change. I mean comments like that " saw tons of you" you're no better than the moronic hate element among you coming away with that crap.

Anyway forgetting all that simply answer the question. Why are you on here gaz? Easy enough question



11 Sep 2015 08:23:41
So Mr King thinks its about time go back to OLDCO and this entity we have had the last 3 years is just a blip? Good call I say. gets rid of Ashley etc contracts. fold present company move over transfer of the membership into Scottish football and leave him with the debt/loan he handed out,, simple. Although our shares be worthless I'm sure most fans would back this move? would give us control once again and leave the pack of rogues with their own purpose built money making entity with o football team etc etc.
One problem with all this,,, we are now open to ridicule from the rest now,,,,,,,,,, with the history stuff etc going to be going the rounds. but who cares.



11 Sep 2015 09:08:03
I'm presuming that was very much tongue in cheek ALLY lol.



11 Sep 2015 10:27:53
Good bit of banter from dave king
Kj: asks you said you were grateful to celtic for buying scott allan.might you live to regret that dk: it was nice of them to help us out. Next season is a different season-bext season we will have another five or six scott allans. The value to us having him taken away from hibs is more than the value of us having him for the next couple of years



11 Sep 2015 10:59:34
Putting all the other things aside, wouldn't that delay the European return by another three years? Audited accounts and all that.



11 Sep 2015 11:40:32
I say its a good call. i'm really tired having to defend the constant 'your a new club' dross from dhims I know, when its clearly been through the courts and proven Rangers are and always have been the same team.

But ahhh. these are establishment organisations they say, that have judged this outcome. On and on and on we go. Persecution complexes at the ready!

The club itself is an asset of the business (e.g. holding company) Sevco bought this asset (goodwill) and then became The Rangers International Football Club (name of holding company only not club). Its not that hard is it but all those legal whizz kids from the East End just know better eh! Yawwn!

Why is it again that Celtic count wartime league titles again in their overall tally and Rangers don't? The mind boggles!



11 Sep 2015 12:43:34
It seems like a lot of money to pay out 50+ million excluding the btc tribunal outcome, just to stop fans of other clubs taking the piss out you but hey ho I'm sure Dave king won't be using any of his own money.



11 Sep 2015 13:32:12
Altus blue, nail on the head mate, it's just there are some people slower than other they have unfortunately not worked out exactly what the difference between a club, and a company are, maybe they should try paying there car insurance at a club, instead of an insurance company.



11 Sep 2015 14:17:37
Agreed Billy, their is a difference between understanding though and wanting to know. It just really tires me having to say the same thing over and over in response when i choose to engage.



11 Sep 2015 21:09:00
Aldiss, when did the Court pronounce "same team" status ? Lord Nimmo Smith did not speak in formal court proceedings - he issued a PRIVATE opinion.



11 Sep 2015 22:33:17
John jag so if Lord nimrod smith never said it formally, where do yours slower people here about this new club thing,



12 Sep 2015 01:22:23
Billy, you can butter it up anyway you want, but at the end of the day it's a new club, goodwill generally means the customers ie the supporters. Being in the building trade for way to many years, I have seen this happen many a time, company closes on Friday & reopens Monday, similar name, same workforce, property but with no debt.
I think Dave king played a blinder today, speak a load of nonsense, and has an excuse for not investing his £30m with the current litigation going on.



13 Sep 2015 13:44:17
Memaself, we are no a liquidated company yet, so how can we be a new club, we ain't been liquidated, yet.



11 Sep 2015 08:16:56
Ally mcCoist linked with being a pundit on BT Sport!

At least he is not going to continue in management for now.

I would love to hear his comments on rangers style of play now compared to the rubbish he had us playing.



11 Sep 2015 14:01:16
That figures BT sport is substandard cancelled mine.



11 Sep 2015 08:14:41
Dave Kings comments about wanting to bring the oldco out of liquidation and move assets into it.

I am not sue about this. To play I n Europe I think you need 3 years worth of accounts, which rangers will now have. Surely if we then started to move things over to the oldco, we would then have to wait 3 years to get back into Europe.

I am probably wrong, but if anyone has more information then comment.

Personally I don't see a difference from this rangers to the old rangers. The only ones who do see a difference are fans of other Scottish teams. As that's the only ammunition they have on rangers. They continually refer to rangers as sevco, but it's rangers and we all know it



11 Sep 2015 13:34:17
Creative, that's because there's no difference in Rangers fc, some haven't worked it out, but will eventually, slow people.



11 Sep 2015 14:09:49
cbeattie, it's pie in the sky talk to deflect from the difficulties the club are facing. Whyte and Green both used the same tactics. Talk of buying the liquidated club is King's equivalent to Green's talk of a Dallas Cowboys link up. I'm sure none of the fans will fall for this nonsense. He really has embarrassed himself.



11 Sep 2015 17:39:32
Cbeattie. If he's serious and it does eventually happen there is actually a way the sfa could support rangers case with uefa as the necessity for three years accts can be bypassed according to certain fifa laws and we would qualify for receiving them. Personally I don't think that would even be necessary. I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong but when Celtic changed their holding company (name only?) they competed in Europe the following year.



11 Sep 2015 21:11:05
Apart - Celtic FC did not enter liquidation. Unlike Rangers. It's the law old chap, pesky I know but you really do need to check the definition of "liquidation".



11 Sep 2015 22:21:51
Yes, jj, I didn't dispute that or indeed imply in my post Celtic were liquidated. Pesky I know, but true if you read it again. Doesn't alter the fact the sfa can push it through under special circumstances or the fact Celtic competed in Europe the year after at least changing the name of their holding company, admittedly different to changing the holding company itself. My actual perception of what he said infers a hybrid holding company anyway, not a full transfer from one to another akin to what sarvar wanted to do. Anyway, along with all our other 'company' related issues time will tell I guess.



11 Sep 2015 22:35:30
John jag how come your club registration changed when Mr McCann took over, if there's any new club its your lot



11 Sep 2015 07:06:03
Ally is a legend end of story it's no even up for debate record goal scorer no one can ever take that away from him, he wasn't up to being manager. But let's all move on from this, support the team stop looking back they way watp



10 Sep 2015 21:55:04
how can anyone accept DK's comment re welcoming back mccoist and his mother into the director's box?
I can honestly say that if mccoist is welcomed back into the the " Rangers family ", I will never step inside Ibrox again.
We are very fortunate to have Mark Warburton as our manager and for that I give DK, 100% credit, for everything else I have serious doubts.
Time to thank ally for his service as a player, but we must be critical of him as a manager and lush.



11 Sep 2015 05:58:23
Listen we all have our misgivings about mc oist as a manager and the following months since then, But to come away with the dramatic " I won't set foot in ibrox again" is a bit OTT is it not billy.



11 Sep 2015 07:38:02
As a Rangers fan of many decades and all the ups and downs that goes with it I'm astonished to read that you wouldn't step inside Ibrox again over a McCoist reconciliation.

Time to let the bitterness go and keep a sense of perspective here. Sure, I have been critical of his lack of youth policy and many of his signings but despite the argument about the formation set up and style of play, fact is a lot of signings let him and us down. I bet he's struggled with this truth. As for the salary and perspective, he earned in a year what Rooney gets for his less than stand out performances in two and a half weeks. I think King looking forward to his mum sitting next to McCoist's mum in the Director's box again has a ring of class to it. Welcome the man back to Ibrox.



11 Sep 2015 07:58:11
Billy, although it would initially be hard to take, I believe that the club would eventually get over the fact you were not attending Ibrox.



11 Sep 2015 08:00:53
Probably it is BT, but I will never accept how he pandered to the "owners" while the club was being plundered, apparently for self gain. He appeared to be in the clique, over the years, as we staggered towards oblivion.
Maybe I am doing the man a dis-service, but on the face of it he done very well from us. I will leave it at that, and wait and see when the facts come out.
As other posters are correctly saying, it is time to move on and get behind our team, that is showing great potential under our new management team.



11 Sep 2015 08:26:00
BillyBoy?

If that is your attitude then you will not be missed.

You do not know what went on behind the scenes at Ibrox during Ally tenure. Are you basing your boycott because Ally was a bad manager?

DK has said that Ally has done nothing remotely wrong.

Ally was given a contract - he stood by that contract.
Ally was the lone man at Ibrox.
Ally prevented the doors from being closed.

You are basing all your assumptions on a one sided argument as Ally has never spoken about his ordeal, and that was what it was, an ordeal.

In my opinion Ally is and always was a legend.



11 Sep 2015 08:38:40
Aye Ready, Sure Ally had an ordeal, but unlike the rest of us it was a rather lucrative ordeal, yes stood by a contract, albeit a contract he maintains he never read before signing, complete BS.



11 Sep 2015 10:11:20
Nice one Cuillin, I deserved that, but Aye Ready I'll briefly respond to you. If you read my post you would see that my main concern was the way he ripped the arse out of us and having the audacity to say he never read the details of his contract.
Next, DK always states the facts!
Ally will always be a legend as a player, but never as a Rangers man, in my opinion.



11 Sep 2015 11:09:01
Well going by your argument aye ready we shouldn't be boycotting sports direct after all big mike has a valid signed contract we should abide by it then



11 Sep 2015 11:29:33
lw?

Whether Ally's deal was lucrative or not, is neither here nor there. Do not blame Ally for his contract, blame the directors who gave him it.

At the time Rangers were still acting like a big time club whilst in the lowest leagues - they were unsure (I imagine) how to attract players and what to pay them. We all know now of the silly salaries that were being offered - Ally's salary falls into that.

Hindsight is a wonderful tool so it is, and in hindsight Ally's salary and the rest should have been much smaller; the players salary should have been the same; we should have brought in suitable players; we should have done a lot but didn't.

Should've, could've, would've!

If only we all stopped and listened at the beginning it might have been different.



11 Sep 2015 11:47:07
the support is deeply divided over Ally but when the time is right hopefully Ally will tell his side of the story. The media will be fighting over exclusivity rights for this and its sure to make compelling reading. Turn up at Ibrox tommorrow and cheer on the team, WATP



11 Sep 2015 13:37:57
Billy i usually agree with your points mate, but boycotting our place would be pure silly mate, imho



11 Sep 2015 15:56:11
Billybluenose, you are correct about it being silly mate, but I just hate the hypocrisy of it all.



11 Sep 2015 21:35:34
Billy's we all hate the hypocrisy of it all but c'mon mate at the end of the day we are one big family, born to follow in our fathers and grandfathers footsteps mate, it's in our genes, our blood runs blue, though I hope when you think of your post above after a beer or two, you will come back to your full blue sense mate, c'mon the Bears, watp,



 
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