Rangers Banter Archive September 11 2012

11 Sep 2012 22:38:08
"If you knew anything about football you'd know that Serbia are much better than Scotland. A draw against them isn't the end of the world - not great admittedly but better than your depressing verdict suggests."
how do you feel about posting that numbnuts after tonights shambles???

like i said in my original post....levein must go!!!!!
the worst manager scotland has ever had....including berti vogts

To be fair Serbia beat Wales (including Bale who is probably worth more, transfer wise, than the entire Scotland team put together) 6-1 tonight. They aint a bad side and a draw at home, whilst not great, was semi acceptable against them in my opinion. However, Macedonia ran us ragged for most of tonight and scraping a draw against them at home IS far from acceptable. We only started to look even remotely dangerous when we went two up front towards the end and Rhodes had two chances he might have tucked away on another night within ten minutes of coming on. He should have started in my opinion. If it wasn't for McGregor (minus his stupid swipe which could have cost us a pen) then we could've ended up losing by two or three in the end and not really been able to complain about it too much.

My main gripe was Morrison and Maloney (and not because he is ex-Celtic - I liked him out wide running at defenders and on the subject of out wide I also thought, when he got the ball, that Forrest was one of the few who merited close to pass marks tonight) in midfield as they were lightweight and bullied off the ball most of the night as Caldwell sat too far behind them to be an effective midfielder. It was a poor show all round with too many players off their game again. The manager can only be blamed for so much of it though - the players picked to go on the pitch have to stand up and be counted at some point too.

Brian

11 Sep 2012 22:19:57
The SPL don't want to punish Rangers. The SPL want examine whether players were given dual contracts, IF so then any titles won during the period COULD be scratched from the record books. Should show 'no winner'. what would that cost you? How would that be seen by you as an injust punishment? just look forward.

The "mob" driven court of this inquest can be seen as neither impartial nor competent. There is a "groundswell" of opinion from those either hateful or jealous against out club to be judge, jury and executionere here. If defies belied not only that the "verdict" is assumed by many but also the appropriate punishment for alleged "crime" could be one thing and one thing only" despite a range of censured to meet respective wrong doings. The majority of Bears and most likely the fair minded out with the right of hatred surrounding my club have no confidence in the process or it's impartiality. The terms "witch hunt" and "kangaroo court" are hard to avoiding when thinking of the hypocratic excuse for justice levied at us. This I believe is the view of the majority of Bears, some would be less polite about it. Hope that clears up your difficulty in understanding the problem here my friend. LB

Having been involved in many levels of football as a coach and been to many a hearing within Hampden the rules for player registrations is very clear. Any errors on registration forms results in ejection from the particular competition the error effected. Despite going to these hearings with loads of evidence, parents testimonials etc the result at each hearing is always the same- out the cup, lost league points depending on tournament.
The idea that this hearing will be a "kangaroo court" may well be correct in that the result is predetermined but unfortunately it's the same for all levels of football, not a witch hunt against rangers.

Jd

What will the SFA/SPL do if the court case with HMRC find favour with Rangers? Nobody seems to have made Comment on that possible outcome. It would be interesting if the SFA/SPL had made judgement (I've no doubt they already have pre-determined their decision amongst themselves) only to find that their decision was different from the judicial process. Just a thought.

@3 How many time's it's nothing to do with E.B.Ts, it's all to do with dual contract's. Keep up
Tam

11 Sep 2012 21:55:46
Do you think the SFA have the balls to get rid of Levin now? Doubt it, no world cup for us again.
He was never going to get us there..
BR

They'll keep him on till there's no chance of us mathematically qualifying. Then they'll choose another second rate manager who will probably not do any better.

BARNEY BEAR

Let's be honest with or without Levein Scotland won't qualify for Rio. Belgium, Croatia & Serbia are much better and will all finish above Scotland no matter who is the manager. Scotland don't have players good enough to finish in the top 3. Some decent players but no one with any real talent. Our players were shown up last night. Pandev was immense last night! Best player on the park by a mile. We don't have players like him or Hazard or Modric. Scotland are a hard working team but with no spark or genius

11 Sep 2012 20:21:02
as expected with our negative levein tactics. one down already. this guy must go, he is not up to it. even if we somehow win this, and thats a long way off as i speak,we need one of the guys in that was mentioned before by folk. souness,dalgleish,strachan,davies,mcleish,smith,even graham, all out work. could walk into that job tomorrow and do a better job.

Bye Bye Levein

Was about to click agree. Then seen the name Strachan, you aff yer head? STRACHAN, STRACHAN.. FKN STRACHAN. Just cos the guys a Rangers legend doesn't mean he should manage Scotland.

Levein is the most deluded manager ive ever heard,total clown and our road to rio is finished after 2 games,
time to change now and bring in a manager who isnt afraid to try and win a game instead of being so cautious,
harry rednapp is the man to take us forward with joe jordan as his right hand man
you read it here first!!

King kenny dalglish is the only man to take scotland forward,
he was about the only world class player we ever produced and im sure players would be desperate to play under kenny

Kenny dalgliesh is not a good manager. Ur getting confused with the player here I think. He's also shown questionable loyalty and commitment when the going got tough throughout his managerial career. LB

I disagree that dalgleish is a bad manager. he aint no fergie,or even a moyes. and ok he had money and inherited good teams at blackburn, and liverpool, but he still won titles. whats levein done. also 2 cup finals last year with an average team, aint bad.

Sorry KD was and is an average manager. I could have won the EPL with the team and set-up left to him by his predecessors. He bought the league at Blackburn but did little else with the other management jobs he took. His return to Celtic (King Kenny was a Liverpool man not a Celtic man) was a disaster and bringing John Barnes with him was a nice little earner for them. When the obvious happened and JB was dropped KD did not have a scooby! His triumphant return to Liverpool lasted half a season and the cash he spent on Carroll, well what can I say? Then came the racial issue and his PR on that was eventually the sword made ready to be fallen on. No, KD is definately not the man for Scotland. SAF would not touch it. Strachan would be a fair choice but too many issues from the narrow-minds will ensure that does not happen. Walter Smith and McLiesh are sat around right now and would be worth another shot(even to support and advise CL) but would the want it? (and the numptys at the SFA probably would not offer it anyway) So who is left? Anyone else willing to put their head on the block? I would suggest going foreign but then would be the screaming hoarde of "We need a Scotsman who understands us" The word humped comes to mind right now

11 Sep 2012 19:35:42
Sorry. I am not a fan of either Rangers or Celtic, I follow Reading in England. But I must shake my head at some of the stuff on this site . . . CHARLES GREEN. Please look at the man, PLEASE. Disaster Zone. He will kill Rangers, for GOOD.

And what do you suggest we do about it Reading fan, everyone out with Rangers is telling us that Mr Green is going to kill our club. What should we do,

Tbh mate we are all hoping this works out, nobody else was willing to come in and do what Green did, this is where we are at.
we gotta go with it, atleast we have a club left, glass half fill, time will tell i guess.

We have to go with him, there is no-one else at this time.

@2: just like there was no-one else when Whyte came in. Not that Green is the same...

This is the charles greene who is infront of tv cameras stated that if a cva is accepted all history,trophies will be intact,but if it is refused all will go down the plughole,yet in his insane recent rambling has changed his story too appeal to the fans,once bitten,twice as shy wounded bears,get into him and demand clarity!!!!stevo

OP doubt if that is a true post but without green we would have been finished, he kept our club going when there was no options therefore we areand we will give him our support

JG

What should you do ? You should stop blaming everyone else for the state your club find themselves in , your club brought about their own downfall , so instead of bamming everyone up yous should try accepting your punishments , start to build bridges , so when you work your way back up the leagues there is no animosity and you can come back into the SPL with no bad blood

@6 its not the support you are being warned about its your money you are throwing at him , you could still fill the ground every home game by paying at the gate

@7 we are in SFL 3 FFS, we have accepted our punishment, and are still prepared to follow our team. As for building bridges, you might find we have started that, at Peterhead, Berwick , East Stirling probably quite enjoyed their day out, Forres Mechanics must be over the moon that we shall fill their park and put money into the local economy. Just a shame they were not drawn at Ibrox, where they could have picked up a large pay day which could have kept their club going for quite some time.
We will keep building bridges with the SFL 3 teams we meet in the league this year, and hopefully we will play well enough to gain promotion to SFL 2 next year. Where we shall continue to follow our team and put some money and excitement into the so called smaller teams coffers as we go. Let's face it these so called smaller teams have shown us more hospitality in the short time we have been playing in their league, than we will ever get from any SPL teams support. If we are good enough to reach SPL in 3years we will still be there at our away games hoping like any other supporter that we can challenge for honours. Whether the top teams think we have shown enough contrition will be neither here nor there, you will still hate us, but will still bump your prices up hoping for a payday. Hopefully in 3 years time we will have made new friends, and gained a modicum of respect from the people of Scotland for our climb back up the leagues, if we can get a wee bit of respect for the way we go about it, great. Although can you honestly see any SPL clubs supporters saying, respect to them, they never gave up and have made it back amongst us, I honestly don't see anyone's attitude changing towards us no matter what we do.

11 Sep 2012 20:01:28
dean shiels scored good goal for n.ireland.laid on for lafferty. lets hope he does that when we next beat / play septic

Shouldn't you be more worried about your league opponents?

Well he will have enough time to practice.Bringing Laughatme back for the re enactment?

Playing your champions should be the last thing on your mind.

Black to mckay,into templeton,croses for shiels to knock it past the celtic keeper,who's name no one can remember.3rd division rangers beat the so cald champions,to lift the scottish cup.as the sfa pin stripes look on dumbfounded. they can kick us but the will NEVER beat us

@3

Thought it was our first ever season and we were no longer Rangers so how can you be our champions, lol? Make your minds up. You are right though, Division 3 should be the priority. However, IFF the dodgy balls were used and Rangers and Celtic were to meet in a cup this year I have no doubt that you would most likely give our little team a hiding, be it home or away, (you certainly should do when comparing the squads - particularly on transfer value as Celtic fans have alluded to on numerous occasions on here). What I wonder is what excuses you would come up with if you actually lost to a lowly third division team made up of free transfers, old men and untested kids who are clearly, as you keep reminding us, not even remotely in your league anymore in a footballing sense or otherwise? Dodgy ref, lying linesmen, it was clearly offside, the SFA are showing their anti-Celtic bias again.......... Definitely not credit where it is due if the worst happened and we actually won I would bet, lol.

Optimism, however deluded, isn't a bad thing you know so don't be too hard on the OP - I bet you think your team will do well in the Champions League, for example. What will the Barcelona score be?

You better hope you don't draw us in a cup this year as it will be a lose/lose situation for your team, as we are finding out in Div3, unless you hump us out of sight by six or seven goals on the day (which admittedly may happen if your team turned up and played as they can). If your players approached it in even a slightly over confident or complacent manner, however, as some of ours have done when facing so-called 'smaller' opposition so far this season, then you would be in for a far, far tougher match than you would think. Part of me wants us drawn together now just to see what would happen, lol.

Brian

p.s. Genuine best wishes in Europe this year and I hope you progress as you are Scotland's sole representatives and the co-efficient is extremely important towards our national standing, just as long as you don't go on and win either trophy (bit like England and 66, fed up hearing about the one from a lifetime ago and another one would just be insufferable!) ;-)

11 Sep 2012 18:57:20
What I can't understand is they are is why are the spl trying to strip titles of a club that's no longer in their league, good enough to not give us prize money ! So if that's there attitude then jog on! Leave it that!

The club WAS in the league when it won the titles though. It's not difficult to understand. SPL titles can be stripped by - you've guessed it - the SPL, the body that originally awarded them.

Lance Armstrong no longer races in the Toure De France, but the ruling body is wanting to strip him of 7 titles.

SPL are the puppet and the strings are being pulled by?------- let's have a guess. [ team in spl with giant chip on their shoulder are a possible or is that just paranoia?]

So its alrite tae mug us for our runners up prize money and hold on to the money fae the steve davis.Transfer because were not invthe spl moving the goal posts when its suits them sfa, spl dodgie associations there worse than craig white have a investigation into them get the bbc involved.

If you're unhappy with the SPL why not put together a dossier of complaint for UEFA.

The diference is like ben johnson,before him (,some of the italian clubs like juventus etc) armstrong categorically cheated to win,and gain an unfair advantage.did the gers players have themselves pumped full of drugs. no. if u believe the old board they were doing nothing wrong, and were under advisement to that effect.even if u dont believe them, it wasnt bribery or drugs etc, which would an should involve titles being taken.at worst it was stupid bending of the rules.if they went after every big club like they have with us,regarding salaries,tax evasion,over spending, hardly any would have titles left including the other lot.its perecution.

They may not have been doped, but fielding players who are not correctly registered is illegal and if that has been done then it is cheating. Ask East Stirlingshire all about it.
Just one other point, you are always going on about innocent until proven guilty. Nothing has been proven about Lance Armstrong on this matter, so as it stands Armstrong is innocent.
Al

11 Sep 2012 17:41:37
once again cg has put rangers on the road to a court case , which is his plan as he wants to be seen as the man fighting for rangers, he knows fifa will step in and force us to accept punishments given to us , he knows when that happens it will be that or no football , he also knows we will back him as he is our hero , what he obviously does not know is that he is not the only person with legal experts to advise

Would you just bend over for them, well Green is not for rolling over, and quite right too.

What is the point in the sfa/spl having legal advisers when they do not accept the law of the land. If they were so sure that Rangers dual contracts[ if proved] and EBT's were illegal why not take the administration responsible to court and then all required to give evidence could be summoned. Seems too obvious or do they fear the consequences if they have acted irresponsibly and illegally.

Ebts are not illegal no crime committed its the non declaring of payments to players was against rules ,,,,, a rule broken not always means a crime committed and before you say it was in accounts , it wasnt in the declaration of contracts for individual players , rules broken must be rectified thats what we are trying to say if you listen

@3: the issue isn't EBTs but dual contracts!

@2 What law of the land are you talking about ?
Tam

@2 it does seem strange that the football authorities do not wish clubs to revert to the uk courts when in dispute but they use people from that system for their own ends

JG

I would think that the intent is show impartiality and also that the people reviewing the case have the expertise and experience to deal with it in a legal and correct manner.

11 Sep 2012 15:17:14
There are two types of Celtic shares. Ordinary & Preference.
Fergus only held Ordinary shares which are voting shares and have never paid a dividend. So from the beginning Fergus had no intention of milking the club.

OP, I suppose the papers made up the 5million pound profit he allegedly walked away with then? Whether his profit was accrued through shares, debentures, dividends or by tweaking the odd teat here and there (catering, merchandise or whatever) is irrelevant. He stated himself that he was in it for the money and to achieve his aims he had to firstly right a sinking ship. Green has made exactly the same noises about a similarly, arguably even worse, sinking ship, and if he follows the Bunnet's example and leaves a financially secure club behind with his pockets bulging then I will be one of the first ones to applaud and thank him on his way out the door. Both appear to be hard nosed businessmen and clearly neither are fools. The one point I will agree on is that Fergus has proven himself and until the day Green emulates his achievement then he will receive the same level of mistrust Fergus did from his own fans during his tenure. Hopefully our mistrust will prove to be equally as unjustified as the Celtic supports was back then.

Brian

@ 1 i would have loved some of those Ordinary shares as you call them after all we Fergus made around £40m on a £9m investment over a five years period.

fair doos on we Fergus i would love it if Green walked away after 5 years with £40 mil and left Rangers in the same state as the Bunnet left Celtic but dont tell me wee Fergus done all this just for the love of celtic. i have no doubt that the wee fella loved the club but i think he loved the £ more

Lochaber Bear

Does not matter what you call them, he made a fortune, do you care? No
Why should we care if Green makes money, I don't grudge him that at all

Green will not make money through selling his share he'll make it on commission from Ticketus after he's delivered them back their initial investment.

McCann acquired Celtic's debt before he got the club, preventing it from going into liquidation.
Green bought a stadium and training ground and formed a club.

I certainly remember Fergus saving Celtic and the thanks at the time he recieved for it, or the lack of thanks I should say from the 'best fans in the world'.

To give him his due I don't remember the bunnet ever telling some of the porkies that Mr Green has. And he definitely wasn't a puppet for a bunch of Asian investors.

If cg puts gersback where they belong in the top tier of scottish football why would anyone bemoan him or wish him bad feelings as a celtic fan i hope he does , obviously dont want you to be too strong though lol but i cant wait for the old firm games again

Op - wakey wakey!
you're on the wrong page, what a post LOL, I know it says banter at the top of the page but you're lost, classic.

@8: I think this was a response to an earlier post - by a Rangers fan - referring to McCann.

11 Sep 2012 12:57:14
The SPHELL is now in dangerous water with a legal battle looming that one it will not win and two it can not afford!
Perhaps with all the is he right or wrong debate the eyes have been diverted from the stark reality that the SPHELL has no money and should it face a lengthy and costly legal challenge it would have to fall on its bankrupt sword.
So is Green all bluster or is he taking a calculated stance that he hopes will lead to the court room,I for one beleive this is the real agenda and would be delighted if it was as the SPHELL would fold and force a radical and fast rethink by all involved in Scottish Football.
To all those that will come on from the Darkside{s} to denounce this- all I would say is ths SPHELL have brought this on themselves with their blinkered hatred of all things Rangers. Go CG give it to them staright and see their hand in court! East Bear

So why did the SPL try to find a way of getting Rangers in if it hates the club? It was the teams that voted against what Doncaster wanted, remember. Your vitriol is nonsense.

Pl is calling the shots, as cg meant. and he can afford it. not that they will lose. ...........

Ok east bear, lets bring it on, lets see the new Rangers fight this one out.

Green a few weeks ago accepted an agreement that stated the new Rangers would accept any penalties associated with the old club in agreement for the issue of licence to enter the 3rd division.

If the old Rangers committed these alleged offences then they should be punished and any titles withdrawn, and any awards ie payments paid to those who should be awarded those titles.

If Rangers refuse this course of action, then lets see Uefa involved, they won't take long in suspending your membership of the SFA pending the repayment of any monies due to other clubs.

This is a fight that Rangers will lose, and taking the position of fighting the rest of scottish football is winning you no friends.

Timmie Goa

Any dispute will be arbitrated by SFA. Remember, FIFA/UEFA rules on washing dirty laundry outside football establishment.......we've been here before.

One critical aspect you will always do well to remember here is that this stuation is primarily a fight initiated by none other than Rangers Football Club itself and one which has envoked strong feelings amongst the wider footballing community as was proved when fans of all clubs vented their anger by unanimously voting against any possibility of a speedy return for the perpetrators ..... unpalletable as this may be for you it's the crux of the matter and whatever charges Rangers are convicted of it will be 100% resultant of improper management and corruption eminating from the corridors of power within Ibrox and nowhere else ....... I fully understand that the fans of the club are blameless in all of this but to blame anyone else for the mismanagement of Rangers is unfathomable and quite frankly an insult to all clubs who conduct their business in a proper fashion allbeit to the detriment of the team they are able to put on the park whilst doing so ....... the buck stops with SDM and to a lesser extent CW not the sfa , spl or anyone else ......deal with it .

How can anyone come on here and say for certain who will win or who is right. It never ceases to amaze me how celtic fans seem to be tax experts, legal experts and know the intimate workings of Rangers fc. Or is it maybe that there hatred of Rangers is such that they can't resist spouting their bile to whoever will listen

OP HERE @1 who is the SPHELL if not the clubs who own the shares?Your comment needs more thought!
@3 Rangers agreed to SFA sanctions to get membership they did not agree to SPHELL future agenda's.
@5 When was the tax case decided did I miss it - and since when were all the other clubs conducting their business in a proper fashion,lets take Hearts for a quick and easy example as a club that did not pay players on time for months and covered this up by openly attacking everyone else through bizzare press releases.
@6 you are so right when I posted this I knew the forces of darkness would bite straight away as they are all lawyers and tax experts in their own we world called obsessed by Rangers.

We used to sing a song that went ,we dont need eusebio cos weve got colin stein ,well change it to charlie green ,can you imagine whyte trying to handle whats going on right now ,seems there is now 3 spl clubs that have used ebts ,wonder if theyl investigate them S,F,A, stupid fn a holes doug t.s.o

@6 ..... do you honestly think for a nonosecond that Rangers will be found not guilty ? seriously ? ....... do you know what prima facie means ?

@6 and to the rest of your fans, why is it that you think everything is done by hate? For your own club did this to you and your defense and stupidity is that it is done by hate. I didn't know that hate was the new definition of what is facts, for the reason why some Celtic fans and other fans of clubs know what is going on because the PROOF is out there. As it was said that only match fixing was worse then what yous did, maybe you should takeoff the blinkers and get with this day and age for you had former players and member of your borad that brought light to the situation years ago. With all that came out so far you should see that there is a tone of proof in which you have a case to answer, stop shouting that it is all hate when someone tries to enlighten you on the facts of the situation. I was your former club and legends that did this to yous yet they get no hate but when ppl voice thier opinion yous say it's all done by hate..... Remember you have yet to be punished, and ask cg just what club you are cause he wants the history but doesn't want the punishments and just be free of debt, still trying to bend the rules.

@6. It was a Celtic supporter which accurately followed and charted the downfall of Rangers, to the point that they were liquidated.
Keep your friends close and your enimies closer.

@ 9....whats a nonosecond??

Oh, and prima facie means 'at first sight'....ie on the surface, there is a case to answer without having looked at the evidence. So not as cut and dried as you 'experts' think
SG

The sphell are a private members club. They are raising an internal matter with a club that used to be a member. The independant panel, selected by the private members club, have been given the private members club set of rules and will rubber stamp, sorry consider the evidence put in front of them. The private members club could have picked three members of the corrie cast and saved money and still come up with the same result. The private members club have the luxury of knowing that any action against them through the courts, the real courts, will be frowned upon as unfair and taking the matter outside of the footballing family.
All tims are desperate to try and have this hearing viewed on par with a court hearing and will tell us about the quality of the 3 wise men sitting in judgement. It doesn't matter it is the private members club rules they are judging on.

@9.... Correct me if I am wrong but I thought it only meant that we had a case to answer, NOT that we were automatically guilty?

Brian

@ 12 ...... you made me lol there . thank you .

@6 We don't hate you ( don't know if you are m or f ), we are laughing at you. How do you know it's only Celtic supporter's that's ripping the proverbial out of you,get over yourself ffs.
Tam

11 Sep 2012 12:26:29
look guys people Charlie G is just like every football Manager/Director/Chief Exec they tell us what they think we want to hear Green has told us a few fibs like CVA will be accepted and it wasn't he told us he had x amount of billionaire backers which he hasn't.
Lawwel told the Septic Fans that he would back NL in his challenge for Champion League Glory then gets a couple of loans buys someone for £1mill+ despite securing 6mil from KI and reported 20mil from CL qualification he lies just as good as green guys like these will go on lying and fans like us will go on believing these lies

lochaber Bear

Lawwell didn't lie, he just didn't back the manager with several millions to spend on players. However, he did back him by making some signings.

@1

how many of you would have bought season tickets if you knew your club was going to be around 26Mil better of at the close of the transfer window but minus a reasonably good midfielder and all NL was getting from the pot was a couple of Loan players and a million pound relatively unknown defender.

im not saying Septic need to go out and spend a lot of money to win the spl they could probably sell 50% of their best players and still win it at a canter. but getting a 1mill player and a couple loans is not what i would call backing the manager on his assault on the Champions League and if you lot are honest you would admit with the cash windfall you received before the close of the transfer window you would have expected a bit more.

Lochaber Bear

My season ticket will alway's be bought because i follow CELTIC no matter who come's in. I would not slate any player of my team the way you did with Broadfoot.
Tambhoy

11 Sep 2012 10:59:41
I can't help feeling Green is making a mistake on this Commission Hearing.

If you look at the original SPL statement of 7th September, it says that it will not be a hearing of the merits of the case. We have to interpret that as it being an information gathering exercise. This being the case, then it would be useful to know what purpose this information will be used for. It would also be useful to know who else is being asked to contribute. Are D&P participating? Their statement suggests not and yet I would have expected that any pertinent records relating to EBTs would be in their charge. So they don't have a contract with the SPL any more and participation won't benefit the creditors. Is that a good enough reason to not participate in the hearing? Stubbornness will do nothing but aggravate the SPL. Co-operation is the only way to ensure Rangers future.

I don't think it would be unreasonable for Green to ask �What will the information be used for?' and �Who else will be participating?' before going off at a tangent. It would also be useful to know exactly what the SPL believe their relationship with Rangers (new and old) to be at the present time. To know this before the hearing would have a bearing on how Green engages with the committee.

It seems to me that the responses of both Green and D&P are confrontational. Newco needs to understand that the SPL hold all the aces and to go to war with them may be counter productive. We can't be saying �We won't be governed by your rules' when there is a possibility that in only eighteen months, assuming Doncaster gets his way, we could be applying to join the SPL. Be assured, these people will not forget too quickly and, as we have seen, money is not an issue SPL members will damage themselves to have things their own way. If Newco fear being stripped of titles, then we are worrying abut something we have no control over. The idea that titles could be carried forward with the transfer of the SFA license always looked a bit flakey. The point is that if the SPL decide that their title (and it is their competition so their title) was won on any year by a club breaking their rules, then they have the power to strike that result from their records, without recourse to Oldco or Newco, and the titles are effectively gone.

A couple of games in Div 3 and a couple of good attendances at Ibrox does not get us out of the woods. We have a lot of work to do yet and one of the major tasks is to get the various authorities back on side. This is a game of cat and mouse and to win it, we don't go running headlong into the cat's mouth. Our turn will come again but in the meantime I think, Green, should be taking an approach that is more conciliatory. Be eager to help clear up the debris left by Oldco, it's not our problem now and we have nothing to lose but everything to gain.

Let's face it, if the SPL want the answers they should ask those involved at the time Murray, Bain, Ogilvie etc
What's the point in asking CG - he wasn't at the club

Are you suggestin Mr Green doe's not know what happened at that time.MMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Tam

11 Sep 2012 09:08:17
I think CG is embarrassing with his latest outburst he contradicts himself every time he opens his mouth. He is defininately trying to get us fans on board ( I don't blame him for that ). The fact is the commission was set up not to investigate EBT's but how they may have been misused by the club who are about to be liquidated. Though he was not part of it he should try and represent our cause, but it seems he doesn't care about that just as he did by allowing us to be liquidated in the first place a situation that could have been avoided in the first place if it wasn't his greed to get our club on the cheap. He also stated this morning that he doesn't listen or care what the fans think and never has when asked by a reporter, this morning. I am glad he stepped in to buy our club but not happy about how or why it was done. I would be very wary of what this guy is doing to our club and where he is taking it. Hopefully I am being over cautious but. His arrogance dosn't give me confidence for the future.
Bobby

Smoke and mirrors. watch him !

11 Sep 2012 07:29:04
Serious question here guys, Hopefully one of the ed's can help me out...

I don't care what anyone says as it stands Rangers have won a world record of 54 league titles but what I want to know is does winning Div 3 add to that tally or does it only count if it is a top tier league title? I'd imagine it would only be the SPL title that would contribute but am not sure

Jas {Ed001's Note - it would count as a Div 3 title, which is separate from league titles. If you look at Liverpool and Man Utd down south, they have 18 and 19 league titles between them, but that doesn't count the old Div 2 titles they have won.}

The next trophy that The Rangers win will be the first in everyone's eyes apart from the deluded!

The history will remain at 54 titles unless titles are stripped.so even if you won 10 in a row if you return to the spl,it would only count as 10 titles won with the new history.rangers say they have bought the history but when liquidation comes the history will die also.

#2 - where did you come up with this nonsense ?

11 Sep 2012 07:01:29
I agree with Charles Green why should he reoresent a club that no longer exists. He bought te assets of the old co and started a newco. The league titles under threat are not his concern.===

11 Sep 2012 03:28:41
Well done Andy Murray wit a match!
CONGRATULATIONS! There's nae keeping you doon pal, your an inspiration! Caledonia is so proud!

Well done Andy.What an achievement.

Just who are these people who are disagreeing with the congrats to Andy.How
can this be possible in our own country.They should be ashamed of themselves.

@2 prob the same peepal who wont support the national football team

@ 2

I am one of them, sorry if my opinion is different than yours, but that is how I feel about the guy. Strong dislike for him. If the nazis get their way and independence arrives, maybe then I will be forced into supporting him. Proud to be Scottish/ British, so none of this nonsense about not supporting my country.