Rangers Banter Archive December 11 2012

11 Dec 2012 23:20:47
Ok just watched the CG interview on STV.
CG looked tight chested and uncomfortable. Blinked and coughed a lot. Main points were wont give up on players fees. Has lots of money doesn't need the share money. £9m of share money to fix up Ibrox for 2014 games.
Corporate investors will buy shares if fans don't and he'll buy them if corporations don't.
Won't join SPL. Against title stripping saying he bought titles and history.

I don't believe he has plenty money and doesn't need share money to run club.
I don't believe he would buy all the shares if no one else wated them.
I don't think it was possible for him to buy titles and history, but Lord Nimmo Smith is to rule on this.
My personal feeling is titles will be stripped in January.

He didnt say he bought the titles and history he said he bought the trophy's and that they are part of the history ... big difference he mealy bought the contents of the cabinet

Of course you don't believe anything he says....you are a Celtic fan. You certainly ain't goin to agree with him are you?!

TTG

Regretfully MacKay had a few chances to say many insist its not the same club. Which he didn't do and accepted CGs answers on questions that were presumptuous on it being same club.
MacKay also didn't mention deeds to Assets and ownership. He did however challenge on £9m to fix up Ibrox saying it was high. An excellent opportunity passed now John you won't get him in again. 6/10.

Bah Humbug and a Happy new year to you too mate.
He also said he's already raised £17 million,but you conveniently left thay out...Why? The worldwide scope and fan base of Rangers is a very investable no brainer. CG is a very shrewd man,don't get too hung up on the upscaling of Ibrox either,we'll get a large chunk of that from the sports council for the commonwealth games.
P.O.B

The good news is that the club is not in a critical situation and does not rely on fans money in the share issue. If you believe it.

Well he said it himself tonight.He's there for the money but it's going to take much longer to get it.Funny the big rush with the share sale----it's this year so he doesn't break his promise he said but maybe it's to get the money in sooner?Fans would have waited for the shares to come next year and not before Xmas ---why the rush I'm wondering.

6) yeah he said he's here for longer term to make big money. Citing champions league. But here he conflicts himself. He's four years from champions league minimum. He also clearly stated that he won't join SPL. So as an investor that means no big money!!! If fact you get CL money only after tournament so minimum 5 years to cheque hitting the rangers account.

Mark my words. Charles Green won't be at Ibrox this time next year.

Hamish RTID

@4 funny how the worldwide fan base wasn't there when you really needed them now were they! You were left with CG and if you believe anything that fellow says then you are a bigger fool than your post suggests!
Rangers fans need to wake up very quickly or you are going to be left in the exact same position you were in this year! So can anyone explain the refusal to play in the SPL? Is he counting on reconstruction of the league? If that isn't the case, what does the club have to aspire to? Playing in the Europa league every season because champions league will only be awarded to winners of the SPL! So where does that leave the club with regard to potential corporate sponsorship? And before the usual cast of people get on here stating they are happy with the "boycott" of the SPL because "we will never forgive them for what they did to my club" statement my advice to you is move on and grow the feck up!

@6)7) yes but he has no accounts either and requires three full years accounts before getting into European competitions. So three reasons for no Europe for a long time. How can he possibly attract investment promising non existent euro type returns?

@9. Are you foolish enough to believe the SPL will still be around for much longer? My advice to you would be stop telling people to "Grow the feck up" and for you to wake up. The SPL is toxic now and will be a deserted wasteland pretty soon.
P.O.B.

1. No accounts to get into Europe until fourth year.
2. 4 years of winning every league to get into Europe.
3. No entry to SPL- Europe isn't possible.

Earliest possible European money in bank end of tournament in FIVE years - 2018.

@11) Celtic has delivered an extra £200k for each 11 SPL team euro money this year. If they buy some SPL players with their winnings it'll also flow money around SPL. Two very good TV contracts negotiated in SPL and good sponsors. It's on a sound footing.

I posted at 3) and need to revise my score on John MacKay's performance. He did get the blue pitch holdings and other unknown investor group question in, which got CG coughing and squirming. So a credible 7/10.

At pob are you foolish enough to believe that just because rangers arnt in split it will crumble. The spl doesn't need rangers so enjoy working ure way back up the leagues to nowhere

Interesting the same figure £17 million appears as the negative goodwill revaluation of ibrox et al...

Even the float costs £2 million - so its down to £15 million - but lets see if it rises.

Too many hmmms and errrs for me.

Why chase ex-players who leave as is their right, rod-of-iron on players leaving, who will therefore come in future, if they cannot leave without being chased.... ?

Silly man..... no making friends to other clubs who could supply players in future, or buy when he wants to of-load... very short-term.....

he here for quick profit only, how quick, we may find out on the 18th

11 Dec 2012 20:51:48
Just seen Green say on tv that he has advised parents of young players to " go round to the PFA offices and grab the guy by the throat and ask him what's going on" this guy is an idiot and should be brought to task with his stupid comments.

Op - there was me thinking that this players organisation was there to represent the players - in this case they seem to be representing themselves as no players have asked for them to raise any actions

My question is;
Why would they do that?

JG

OP,

Why should Charles Greene be punished for that comment? Do you actually believe it is a serious statement? I honestly think you want Charles Greene punished purely on the basis that you don't like him and it's pathetic. Get a life man!!

TTG

@1 you are missing the point totally, his aggressive comments don't help anyone whether you agree with the legality of this case or not

11 Dec 2012 22:06:22
@2: is that the kind of comment that's acceptable from someone in charge of a football club? If the head of a bank or a politician had made a comment like that, there would be a public outcry. It's totally irresponsible and stupid. It may sound far-fetched but it may give the f*ckwit element in the fanbase (every club has them) ideas. Alternatively, what if one of the parents is inclined to do exactly what he suggests and feels justified by Green's comments? You just can't vouch for or predict some people's behaviour, and I include Green in that.

@3 dont think he is aggressive, he just calls a spade a size 10 shovel,
at the end of the day if he speaks up to defend my club and refuses to let others walk over us as they thought they could for the last year, then i am all for it, i wish there was some way i could see stv tonight to see his interview, i am sure he wont let himself or the rangers down

JG

Come on. Let's be serious. If this was Lenny saying that you'd be all over it baying for his blood and giving him the 'Lenny treatment'.

The guy Green has no class at all.

@ 4),

I am pretty sure the parents of these players grasp the concept of what Charles Greene is talking about. We all know the point he is making. He isn't suggesting that the parents should physically do that. You know it, I know it and everyone else knows it!!

TTG

For years under murray I felt that we never stood up to injustice from SFA etc Finally we have a man who will speak out his mind and speak out for the majority of fans protecting the clubs interests - He is plain speaking and to the point. No more will we be playing politics with the games various authorities - No longer will we be walked over - Good on ya charlie and hey anyone who thought he meant it literally needs to look in a mirror !!

@9 In his position he should choose his words more carefully.I'm old enough to think he should 'set an example' and using his inflamitory language is no good for the image of the club.

His choice of words is often suspect it seems that he is trying to appeal to what he thinks people want to hear, not being from glasgow and having nothing to do with rangers he has a prconception of scottish people and I find it offensive.

He has set his stall out to impress some fans who will bail him out and buy into his dream.

It only takes a few it seems.

Not the majority.

@9. Just what injustices from the SFA did Rangers have to stand up against during Murray's time?
Fans can agree or disagree with boycotting the Dundee Utd game if they wish, but to make it a corporate policy is very unbusinesslike and unprofessional. It makes the club playing out of Ibrox seem like a local cab firm, but if that is the type of behaviour you want from your chief executive then so be it.
Al

11 Dec 2012 20:00:42
Do we find out how much has been pledged on the 17th dec?

OP - No the time for pledges is over now it comes to the crunch,
but we will find out how many shares have been taken up on the 18th and all true bears who can afford them should take them up

The need to invest in and save our club, now that we have the opportunity to do so, heavily outweighs the doubts about the consortium

JG

Do we care? Charles has promised to buy up all shares not purchased by fans. It's a success before it starts.

Personally i'd buy all the shares i could afford if i had the money. He's not really looking for the ordinary john on the street to buy in,he's looking for business minded people to invest at least 10 grand a pop. Only 32% of the shares will go to the "ordinary" fans. However i reckon any investor will make ten times their initial outlay easily. Watch this space. That's why Charlie has promised to buy any unsold shares.
P.O.B.

Chuckie wont buy diddly squat and any buisness man will not touch the share issue with a barge pole, it a flotation to fleece bears

Personally I see it more as a donation rather than an investment but good luck to all bears that buy into it. ANd anybody predicting huge profits really don't have a clue. Sorry but if you were gonny make ten times your initial investment do you not think the Financial Times would have urged their readers to buy into it rather than poo-poo the share issue?

"Ten times their initial outlay" P.O.B. really? Why isn't this the most oversubscribed floatation in history therefore?

Gaz

Do any bears out there honestly believe that the way CG has been carrying on and even his latest shocker of never playing in the SPL ever again (therefore no champions league) really endearing the big paying

Personally i'd buy all the shares i could afford if i had the money


thats why you hae not got the money

PS I have some magic beans for sale.

11 Dec 2012 18:58:48
Charles green is on Scotland tonight, STV 10.30pm live.
I hope John MacKay asks the right questions, we deserve answers to all the difficult questions not an easy ride for Charles and we're left in the dark guessing.

Too many big questions.
This new show needs to deliver or MacKays reputation is oot the windae.

Well it's 100 Years of the Royal Variety Performance on ITV at that time, assume Chuckie is doing a little turn for us.

We need Jeremy Paxman.
If I smell a lie or disingenuous responses Ill just switch off to the guy. I know he's needed and the clubs relationship with these guys is symbiotic, but I really don't like him very much. The lies don't help us.
They don't fool anyone or affect people outside the club.

Royal variety is 23.05, afterwards lol

But best laughs during chuckie half hour.

Does it matter what questions he asks? Relly!!

Watched the show last night and an easy ride given there(woman politician---no name here in case Ed doesn't print)Needs more than John MacKay I'm afraid to grill the guy but then,do we want to put him on the line?He has fitted into the system here very quickly and very well.Learned the ropes,shout loud and often and they'll believe you.

11 Dec 2012 16:37:33
In Evening Times tonight that some muppet(s) was chucking coins at the Stirling fans , hit a young lad. Hope if anyone saw this sort of behaviour they would do the decent thing and report it.

From where I was, there was no sign of any trouble at all. Hope its not true, that kind of thing is way out of order.

Whos to say (and im only just pointing it out) That it wasnt a Stirling fan (who couldnt hit a coo in the erse wi a banjo) that was dishing it out? Now im just asking the question, protecting my fans firstly because obviously the fingers will be pointed at the home support. Guilty until proven innocent and all that! Whoever DID throw it, be it home or away fans want locked up!
I hope the wee fan is ok and isnt put off attending games in future.

Yeah I reported it to the taxman a seen the wee Stirling boy stocking the coinage down his drawers. I don't like these things appending at football but they do. Did you see how many big rio got hit with and burst his puss wide open. I hope whoever threw that gets jail time

@2 you reckon a Stirling fan threw coins at a Stirling fan? From within the Stirling fans segregated area presumably, in amongst that mass horde of Stirling fans where he could so easily hide. 2) Never give up your day job to become a lawyer.

Gaz

11 Dec 2012 19:17:31
@2: in that case, is it also a possibility that Rio Ferdinand was hit by a coin thrown by United fans but it was aimed at the City fans or players?

@4 there are too many expert lawyers in glasgow already,

JG

Reports as it was a 2p - so must be gers fans, as they got no money.... lol

12 Dec 2012 08:09:52
Gaz if you read properly. Im suggesting i could have possibly been thrown by a Stirling fan intended for the home support. Hence the "coo in the erse wi a banjo!"

Dont give up your day job as a sarcastic person.

@ 8 ahhh the old friendly fire defense meets the magic bullet theory.

Did you say the same of Hugh Dallas at Celtic Park, was Rio's 2p aimed at Tevez by a poor aiming Man U fan? Given the sparseness of the Stiring support this would have to be one really bad thrower or...as I suspect you are talking nonsense, don't worry mate my day job is safe.

Gaz

Im talking nonsense? It is within the realms of possibility is it not? Which is what the crux of my OP was all about. Regarding Hugh Dallas(LOL) and i havent seen the Rio Ferdinand incident to therfore unable to offer comment. Chow for now x

11 Dec 2012 13:05:41
Ed I was confused at the now even more confused why did we pay 750,000 for Templeton? 3rd division sides shouldn't be paying transfer fees like that, also ed do you not find it strange the share issue coming out a WEEK before Xmas? Starting to worry about green. {Ed001's Note - it does seem a strange acquisition, I am sure that Ally and Green had their reasons for it, personally I would think there must be cheaper options out there. I am sure they were thinking he could be good as the basis of the team, even at a higher level. The share issue seems to have just been produced as quickly as possible, it just happens to coincide with that particular time. It does make you wonder how much cash is actually available to run the club, the speed of the issue is remarkable but not unprecedented.}

Not unprecedented.... come on Ed, be fair, name some companies that floated on AIM after just

30 days of incorporation, now full audit or years of trading statements.... ?


hmmmmm nope beats me. {Ed001's Note - I have seen a list of companies that have done the same, just because you haven't heard of them (nor I for that matter!) doesn't mean it hasn't happened. It is usually done to raise money for an expansion or similar though, not sure in what area Rangers can expand, which is why it is worrying that is was done with such speed.}

Maybe greens £90,000 payment was for negociating this contract?? who knows... only green sadly.

If the money in the bank at the end of August (which included all or atleast a substantial amount of season ticket revenue) was around £3M and wages are around £250K a week plus everything else, the walls are abound to collapse

OP - you need to go lie down in a dark room if you are that confused
buying him for 750k was a great piece of business for rangers, if he was not going to be out of contract his price would certainly have been much higher, especially after his performance against liverpool
this young guy has the potential to develop into a very good player who could be worth a few million to us in a couple of years time
also if you have been that confused that you have forgotten about the embargo, then the players we added in the summer will have to take us through the next two seasons so some quality was required
I have never heard of any supporters complaining about signing good players before (you sure you are a bear not just Ed-01's mate), I for one was glad we signed him and I enjoy watching him play, he is one of the better players that we have, he is never afraid to have a go from outside the box or take a man on

JG {Ed001's Note - I don't think it is his ability in question, more the price paid by a club that is playing 3rd Division football. That amount should be able to build a whole squad for this level.}

I have no doubt the share issue is to get us through the first year only. I fear the ST money is all gone. From £8m to £4m on 31st August to who knows 4 months later, especially with salaries at £3.5m for 4 months not including all other bills.
I don't expect any corporate take up on the shares at all. Why would any corporations throw away money? After all its a kind of donation.

How can 3 years playing against lowe league scottish clubs like elgin , peterhead, alloa etc week in week out add millions of pounds to a players value (i could understand if rangers were in spl and he was playing well every week but he will be in his mid 20s by time rangers are in spl and he may struggle against playing quality opposition for each week.

The player was a good spl player but 3 years in lower leagues will not be good for his development.......

Templedon is huge gamble on one player, in lower divs one missed tackle from parttimer and thats it, whereas eds point about spending same across a squad is key

ally gambles all or nothing, on one or two key players.

@7 i would think we would mitigate the risk by taking out insurance against serious injury for our players

JG

@8 but insurance for that quality player will cost a fortune, hes in div 3 where part-timer could kick the hell out of him.

Do you think newco can afford insurance for thier players, will be money upfront, not monthly payments, not after oldco went tits up.

No-one will sell players to newco with payment in installments.....

still gamble. Even if insurance pays, no player on pitch and cant sign new one to replace him.

BIG gamble. {Ed001's Note - insurance is based on the size of the wage.}

11 Dec 2012 11:51:48
I have to say I was feeling for players who were going lose their medals if we were stripped of titles after reading they could take us to court I couldn't give a monkey's about them anymore.

OP and all those who agreed - why? what have they done?

JG