Rangers Banter Archive September 10 2011

10 Sep 2011 22:15:36
What is going on with this page, clearly celtic fans posting pure rubbish about East Kilbride and the tax issue.

Every invoice passed to Ibrox should be queried by Mr Whyte and his team. Surely this is good business practice.

London Rangers??? can't see it every happening.

Could we please stop believing the dross in the press,Mr Whyte will see us ok. i'm not saying we are not going through difficult times but we will get through it

Please stop posting total and utter rubbish. good performance today. we are the people!

Pal, there are just TOO many stories going about for them all to be untrue, or made up by Celtic fans, latest is Rangers have missed a payment of jelavic's transfer fee, what next. If Mr Whyte really is a billionaire as we keep being told, where is the money to pay all these bills? Sadly, by his silence Mr Whyte speaks volumes Timalloy

Whyte's money will be in propery. He won't have it all sitting in the bank. I'm sure he can afford to pay these bills with what money he does have in the bank (i'm not talking about the big one) but he probably feels that he can avoid paying them. I'm confident that if he was going to lose out he'd have never bought the club. I'm not going to say we'll come out of this without a scratch, but in all likelihood we'll come out of it aright. I think Celtic fans must appreciate that these things can happen in sport - 10 years time, it could very well be the other way around. Muzz.

10 Sep 2011 21:56:45
C'mon let the demonstrations begin, we should be demanding the truth whether good or bad. Being lied to and kept in the dark is not good enough. Grow a pair Rangers fans and get down to Ibrox tomorrow, lets not sit back or we are going to lose our glorious club. And if we have been lied to Whyte should not be allowed to walk away from this!!

What a fan-dan..... what is Mr Whyte walking away from? This mess is down to one man, Sir David Murray.

10 Sep 2011 21:52:48
just reading what bain was earning,,,what moron ever agreed to give the sun tan kid that kind of dosh,greedy wee grub,doesnt care about the club afterall

Short memory mate.martin bain worked wonders for rangers.i,m a celtic fan,and even i know that.

Well Celtic fan your a clown if you think he was worth that!

GDog

10 Sep 2011 21:23:40
Read paragraph 8 of that Martin Bain thing!

10 Sep 2011 20:05:50
When rumours started about rangers big tax bill rangers denied it... Turned out to be true. When rumours started about the 2.8m tax bill and sherrif officers being involved rangers denied it... Turned out to be true. Today rumours about martin bains court papers are denied as a whispering campaign.... Anyone see a pattern here?

Yeah 4 in a row.........

Where did rangers deny any of this? As i understand it rangers brought the £2.8m due to the attention of HMRC as they had missed it!

10 Sep 2011 19:37:54
Anybody know when the rangers banter page Christmas night out is. Keep it a secret from timalloy though, he's just ants at a picnic.

Oranjeboom

Ha ha Oranjeboom Sooooo Funny!
Perhaps you will like this Mr Whyte is bringing out an album to raise cash
"Walk a Mile in MY Shoes"
Help, Ask me Why?,We can work it out,
The long and winding road,Tell me why?
It's all too much, Hearts of stone,
Easy come, easy go, and final track
Keep your hands off it, LOL Timalloy
(ps all artists have YET to be paid!)

10 Sep 2011 19:25:45
To all u that said wylde's crossing is awful remind me who left the goal on a plate for lafferty? P.S. if edu and ortiz play next week we will get pumped

Yes, one good cross out of 20

10 Sep 2011 18:49:47
Personally I don't think anyone would let Rangers go into administration. If you think how big a club like rangers are, there the most successful team in Scottish history. If Chelsea, Barcalona Man u were in this predicament they would be saved. Any thoughts? And if Whyte isn't our knight in shine'n armor wouldn't there be a possibility that his shares could be sold to someone with a bit of good money to buy us and pay back our debt?. I no whyte is in situation but if he had the money he said he did then why are we still arguing with Tax people? Any thoughts ED. {Ed001's Note - I can't see Rangers ending up in admin, the money must be there to pay the tax case or Murray wouldn't have sold. Whyte would have had to provide proof.}

Do you seriously think that Whyte done a deal where he would be responsible for a tax liability of circa £40m. No chance.

Rangers don't have a lot of money, we have plans in place to avoid administration, should the large tax case go against us. The Champions league was a huge blow for us, simply from a team point of view. I know that money had been promised to Ally for team building had we qualified. As it was, we had to resort to plan B. (McKay, Bocanegra) but have faith, they are good enough players. Anyway, what is really getting at people within our club now, is the orchestrated campaign which has been waged against us since last season. I say orchestrated, because people within the club truly believe that there are people motivated by their own agendas who are deliberately smearing the club. The campaign by FARE, by a nameless individual, the attempts to have Rangers thrown out of Europe for fielding an inelligible player, the leaking of stories to the press about the financial situation within the club etc. There are more examples. These attempts to de-stabilise the club have ranged from the ridiculous, to the malicious to the plain illegal! It is no secret that Celtic took a big gamble on winning the championship last season. Money they could ill afford was spent in an attempt to get Champions league money into their club. During last season, it was obvious how desperate the situation was, as every attempt was made to throw doubts on the credibility of match officials, league officials, indeed anyone who did not agree with their club. When our club won the league, it was a devastating blow to them. It meant that they had very little money to operate with in the transfer market, as has been proven. The situation at Celtic is every bit as bad as it is for Rangers. I say this because I know that the outcome of the pending court case will have just as severe financial implications for Celtic as it does for us, and indeed almost every club in the EPL. Almost every top club has been doing exactly the same as us for years and years. This is one of the reasons we believe we will not be forced to pay it. If we lose the case, and there is always the chance that we could, the club have made arrangements for the sum to be paid. But, and this is a big but; no club will accept the decision at the first step. There will be appeal/s because no-one will take a judgement against them, in what is in essence a test case, lying down. This will rumble on for quite some time yet. The one thing which will not happen is for Rangers Football Club to cease to be. There a lot of things we, as fans have no control of, but also a lot of things we can do to help the club. Buy our tickets to the matches, be there for our team and give them all the support we can, to enable them to continue being successful in the SPL.

In his first interview when taking over RANGERS Mr Whyte stated he thinks we will win tax case, I do not know in's and outs of what is going on with fianance at RANGERS but I am going 2 point out something that I think has been missed by all who likes 2 discuss it, RANGERS still have a credit rating with lloyds bank if RANGERS were about 2 go into adminastration surely lloyds would not be sanctioning any new contracts for any players never mind signing players and knocking back a bid for jelavic so I can only assume RANGERS have a far better credit rating with lloyds now than they have had for many years
WATP 70

Celtic won't be in any trouble with HMRC as they chose not to use the EBT system to pay players, This is a Fact and has already been stated on various media outlets. Our Taxes are up to date. We are are 500k in debt. RFC are 18M in debt and counting. Not really in the same bracket I think you'll agree. RFC's fate will have no bearing on CFC. Hail Hail

And who are RANGERS 18m in debt 2 smart arse the bank above who were quite happy for Mr Whyte 2 take over club I am sure if some1 owed me 18m I would want guarantees before any1 else took on the debt

To the Celtic fan who posted: you are as blinkered as some of my fellow rangers fans if you believe that you are solvent. The risks you have taken and continue to take, as you gamble with your clubs debt, mean that you are in every bit as much of a financial mess as we were when Mr Whyte took over. The only difference is; our problems are being played out through the media, due to orchestrated leaks from malicious sources, whereas, yours are not being highlighted, because those within Rangers have more dignity and would rather deal with our own problems than create a smokescreen and try to hide this, as your board are doing.

To the original poster. What you are saying is simply not true. Other clubs have not been doing what Rangers did. Rangers misused an employee renumeration scheme in an attempt to evade income tax due on players wages and where caught out doing it. They were then issued a bill for tax due (any self-employed person or business owner can tell you that these bills are always called assessments) and they are appealing against this.
No other club (certainly in Scotland) is faced with this.
On top of that issue Rangers have a second tax bill that has yet to be paid.
Conspiracy theories are always entertaining but there are facts that cannot be denied:
Sherrif Officers visited Rangers regarding the smaller tax bill, and following their visit, a seven-figure sum was ordered to be ring-fenced in Rangers bank account.
Rangers were taken to court by their former lawyers and ultimately had to pay an outstanding legal bill plus a further £10,000 in costs. In that court hearing, Ranmgers former lawyers raised questions about Rangers solvency.
A newspaper which reported quite legitimately on the court hearing on this matter has been banned from Ibrox
Rangers have issued a statement condeming the leaking of the 'Bain' papers but have not denied any of the content regarding Craig Whyte's running of the club and his position on the 'big' tax bill, including Rangers' former chief executive's fear of Rangers becoming insolvent.
Rangers' former chairman and board members issued a statement to shreholders expressing concern about Craig Whyte's financial ability to take Rangers forward.
Newspapers in Germany and Austria are now reporting that Rangers have failed to make scheduled payments towards Jelavic's transfer fee (more to come in Sunday's British papers).
You may choose to believe that this is all some great conspiracy involving HMRC, Martin Bain, the Courts, Ranger's former lawyers, Celtic, the BBC and the Scottish and overseas press but is that really more likely than there being something seriously wrong at Ibrox?
I agree that no-one can be absolutely certain how this will all end, but is it really more helpful to your club for you to be looking to blame everyone else rather than demanding that Craig Whyte give detailed answers to the many concerns raised - not least in the Bain papers.
I would also genuinely like to know the names of any successful companies that Craig Whyte runs or has a substantial shareholding in.

10 Sep 2011 18:06:33
Apparently septic have got a young French striker on trial, future value allegedly £15 million. Lawell said to be personally involved with 18yr old Jacques Annori fairytale move

That's a bit rich from a Rangers fan.

10 Sep 2011 17:19:37
Guys, I hope we can put rivalries aside for a moment, and take a moment to respect Jock Stein, who's anniversary it is today, he died 10 Sept 1985.
He did so much not just for Celtic, but for Scottish football also. hail hail Neil T

Respect where respect is due

Ger for life

Ger for life, well said. Timalloy

10 Sep 2011 15:41:11
It is to late told u months ago no1 listened, any time any1 asked about mr tight we were told shut ur mouth, u aint got a clue, give the man a chance, ete etc, hope ur happy way urselfs, now whose the 1s who aint got a clue?
The gers grim reaper

10 Sep 2011 14:58:40
Why is nobody concerned about this law firm claiming fears for rangers solvency? This is not Celtic fans just a company that want paid. I have real fears now fellow bears - 2.8m arrested from our bank acccount by HMRC etc it's getting beyond a joke.. It's about time we were told the truth - rangers have ended their relationship with the herald and sister papers for reporting the funds arrested by HMRC - whyte doesn't want us to know - now we will be continued to be fed s**te by the daily record - we need to do something here guys before it's too late

Jas

Get a life Jas............

What can we do

10 Sep 2011 14:52:10
Wonder what the Blackpool clown thinks about that, will not be able to use his mouth as there is a foot sticking out of it

10 Sep 2011 14:39:53
Back from the match. Actually thought Edu played well today, when he keeps things simple he does a job. He certainly covers a lot of ground nobody can deny him that. I don't know what folk see in Wylde. His delivery is shocking and he plays with his head down. People think cause he is fast and can dribble that he is good. Not at all. He would never make it in England because he's one dimensional and even then isn't great with it.

You got a rocket ?............ or live in Dungdee ?............... Edu is mince and Wylde needs to practice crosses m8. 4 in a row

You're obviously just a part of the anti Edu brigade. He never put a foot wrong today, some people just won't admit it.

Edu looked far more composed on the ball and made some good decisions. Still needs to pass the ball forward a little more but i hope he gets better and better - the arrival of his fellow americans no doubt helps. Muzz

10 Sep 2011 14:29:02
to be fair edu n broadfoot had decent games

Ah would have kicked broadfoot into the under 19,s after talking s**te about if hes no part of the first team he would be looking to go on loan , who the f..k does he think he is, ally you were to slow m8 letting him talk s**te like that on tv, junior player if he is, sorry to the junior football for that .

10 Sep 2011 14:23:30
I dont see how anyone can say edu was terrible today, same with broadfoot they've both played well today and they give their all every gane!

Edu was not terrible today, he just did not do anything, simple as that. It was one of his better games and still got almost nothing to show from it. DDU gave as good as they got in the center of the park. If you watch him closely his passing is poor, energy levels are sluggish. Granted he did put his foot in today but still not enough. He is playing a level that is too high for him. I thought he may turn in to a player at one time but now I cant stand him. Broadfoot was ok today but got shown up at corners that happens some times. He is a better player and adds much more to the team than Edu.

Edu chips it through to naisy to score and he puts it wide.. Had some good passes... He went of mcc came one i seen 3 missed placed passes..

Edu has low energy??? You really are a f*d!!!

Gdog

10 Sep 2011 14:07:47
Edu played well the day - gi the guy a break

What game were you watching?
He was a passenger. He did not do too much wrong but did not influence the game at all. This is one of the reasons why DDU bullied us at times.

Who said anything about Edu needing to influence a game? Davis is the man that should be doing that. You contradict yourself, 'what game are you watching' yet you also say he 'didnt do much wrong'' Which is it?

Clueless!
The fact is without playing that well, we still had good periods of play, and did what matters and scored! That is a fact, and all that is needed.

Rangers will only get better. Unless of course the administration stories are true!!

GDog
WATP

10 Sep 2011 13:26:20
Why oh why we waited weeks to see some fresh players in this stale team and mckays on the bench bedoya don't know where he is shocking first half again and broadfoit us a cheating f***wirt hate that dweeb makes our team an embarrassment

10 Sep 2011 13:26:04
To all u clowns out their that said take the money for jelavic I think u may change ur mind after this dross, naismith is not a striker

10 Sep 2011 13:10:25
Witty, Edu and Davis should be embarrassed to pick up their paycheque this week...

Witty – Got taken to the cleaners a few times down the line. Poor distribution.
Edu – Usual game, pish!
Davis – 30 mins into the game 4 wayward passes (normal but everyone thinks his passing is great)

10 Sep 2011 11:27:02
What are Naismiths goal celebrations all about anyone know ???

One from the scotland game was for the young boy murdered in kilmarnock last week
andy

10 Sep 2011 10:45:17
My team when fit would be mcrgregor bartly goian bocanegra wallace/papac ortiz davis bedoya makay naismith playing behind jelivic bartly can plat rb and makay can play lm wit yous think

No lafferty??

10 Sep 2011 09:09:04
Ed, What's the chance of our game being cancelled today? Rain is brutal!