Rangers Banter Archive October 10 2013

10 Oct 2013 20:09:07
Ian Harte gone!

Great news fellow fans as the cracks have now opened, this guy was nothing more than a patsy to Stockbridge and Mather and should hang his head in shame after watching what has happened to our once great club! ( it will be again very soon once this band of "great stadium robbers" are removed)

Ian Harte has damaged his reputation by being part of this band of torags and stood by and said and did nothing!

Disgraceful from a rangers fan and director!

Hope this is the start of the decks being cleared.

Maybe ally will want his position after all he is getting more involved in the club politics, rather sad from a once club legend and ambassador!

RR

Eh? He was a non executive director and came onboard at the same time as Walter Smith did, also in an non executive capacity. How was this guy a patsy to Stockbridge? He put money in and bought shares. Get your facts right before spouting rubbish. The guy has obviously left as he found it damaging being on the board and also hanging the foresight to see trouble is coming.

@1 so he had no responsibility? As a non executive director? Get your facts right! And I made no mention of Walter as I was expressing an opinion on someone who stood by and did nothing while the IPO took place and VAST sums of cash was wasted or miss aligned in the accounts, Walter is not innocent in this either but get your facts right before you come on in anonymous fashion

RR

You tell him RR (protester number 3 lafs) . george

When Hart left, Rangers lost the one man of quality left anywhere near the board room

Ian has been a respected and prominent figure in the higher echelons of Scottish business life for three decades

He has devoted an enormous slab of his time to charity - he is the unpaid director of Bernardos homes in Scotland and involved in fund raising for many other good causes

Before you get to slagging him off - look at the other self serving wretches left

Do you prefer the gangsters, the spivs, the dodgy finance folk - or maybe the money motivated "Legends"

The last director in Mr Harts league also got the full negative treatment from the forums after he left.

RIP Hugh Adams - a man of courage and vision - a real Rangers man.
If only we had listened to you!

11 Oct 2013 11:00:10
#4 You're spot on as far as I can tell about Mr Hart and Hugh Adam, who we should obviously have listened to when he spoke out about the unsustainable finances at Ibrox.

Have heard Mr Hart, unlike the Greens, Ahmads and co. lost a lot of money while on the board.

And he wasn't too happy about Ally's salary, which didn't go down well with Ally apparently.

11 Oct 2013 12:46:48
Harte is another good guy gone, sum people on here wouldn't know what's good if it smacked them in the mouth, MMurray was a gers man, as was Hugh Adams when he was silenced by sdm and his new pals, and allister Johnston also a big loss, altho I'm hoping Mr King brings him back on board,

Well said 4 and 5 the OP calls himself the Real Ranger but I think a supporter who put money in and served on the board as the only Rangers supporter on it getting no money for this is a Real Ranger. Sorry to see him go but thankfull for his moderating influence on the board

Just wondered why he sat back and said or did nothing during the "great stadium robbery" that was my main point. I certainly don't have any issue with the guy in his business sense or his charity work and I have no doubt he is very good at that, maybe I wasn't getting my point across I was referring only to his directorship in rangers.
And I certainly know he is a great rangers man of that their is no doubt which make my initial point more interesting! Why a great rangers man never said anything while the rest of the torags caused havoc! You could include Walter to a certain extent another rangers man, legend, icon and undisputed manager but only until recently small snippets are starting to come out has he been silenced!

So thanks for the comments and I hope I have make my point a bit clearer

RR

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Tommy Blue
I am poster no4

Boy did you miss the mark when you congratulated me and then went on to endorse Dave King

King is a liar and fraudster (not my words but those of a South African judge)

If you feel that redemption is to be gained by following this path - your a fool

He should not be mentioned in the same breath as Mr Adam and Mr Hart - not in the same league

10 Oct 2013 17:37:09
ally's salary 'cut' - not a cut - money deferred until rangers in SPL - still gets bonus's and will get any deferred salary when or if he leaves - Makes Ally impossible to sack until money available to do it - madness

The guy that didn't look at his contract if you believe that nonsense is sure making this re-negotiated one pretty formidable. Believe a word he says at your peril.

If it's true that it's a deferral and not a cut then he's a liar to everyone on that count also.

Can someone explain to me what supporting a club means, you support a club because its in your heart and soul, its your life, or so I thought, but I was wrong, you support a club because if you did'nt Ally or the players would'nt get their wages, that's why he was so vocal outside Ibrox when it all kicked of, I don't blame the players brought in, they were only doing the same as anyone would do to better themselves financially, but Ally was supposed to be a Rangers man, but I would have just played the reserve team plus mcculloch, they might have lost a few games but they would have won the league, Ally threw a few of the young boys in with newcomers who had'nt played together, it was a recipe for the sort of displays we got last year, but at least I know now the point of being a supporter is so that your ticket money can keep these overpaid undertalented players and managers in the lifestyle they have grown accustomed to, I'm not just talking about Rangers here.

10 Oct 2013 14:49:51
hi ed, any more info on the police investigations into whyte, hmrc and all the other shenanigans? {The Ed039's Note - nothing new)

10 Oct 2013 11:25:14
I think that the board (whoever that may be in the coming months/years ) should not allow Ally to sign anymore palyers (barring horrific run of long term injuries to key players) until January 2015. January 2015 is when he needs to build a team for the Scootish Premier League. The current team is good enough to romp this league and the next. Time to stop careless spending and build from within. Thoughts?

I Agree, build from within, is the only way forward. No more cash for new players till our coaching staff can show they are capable of developing players. If they can't out they go if Dundee utd can do it season after season, surely rangers can aswell.

The first thing they need to do is sack Ally. He's not Rangers quality.

Ally not rangers quality? Complete waste of space that comment. Rangers are playing great football again. Ally had days to build a team last season with only six turning up for training. Now look at the team. Ally is the man.

@3 he's got a budget of 8 millon on players other 3rd tier managers have part time teams, under ally we won't be a top 6 premiership team.

I don't get some people how can you turn on ally

@5 ally should've been on 85k last year not 825,000k, ally should've won 4th tier with youngsters and Alexander, jig, Wallace and little being the backbone, not spend stupid money on cribari, Faure, Greek guy, black, sandaza, Kyle, shiels, Templeton, we had a group of youngsters that would've won that league and saved 6 million pound.

@5, Totally agree.

@6, I meant totally agree with you, I can't understand how people like @5 keep supporting Ally.

@3, regardless of for or against Ally, let us not be absurd with the patter "playing great football again", I can only assume you see highlights and do not go and suffer.

Marathon - I totally disagree and here is why

Our product is football, We, the fans pay money to see a decent team on the park therefore a proportionate part of the revenue should be spent on the team

We all know that after last years accounts, savings have to be made and books have to be balanced but money spent by fans should be spent on the end product, savings must be made in other areas

As I have said before we now need to see what the interims will tell us in about 4-5 months time

JG

JG

I am not an Ally hater and would love for him to succeed but there has to be doubts on his abillities as a manager. Even before our troubles he gave away a 15 point lead with a very experienced team at that time. MIght be thrashing every team we play at the moment but for the money we have paid would you expect anything less.? Knoced out the cup by Forfar = not good enough

@8 because he's totally brainwashed, bet @5 was 1 of the guys shaking Craig whyte's hand the day he walked into ibrox, or say Charles green is the man, its people like @5 that has put this club 10 years back, the do called REAL FANS.

I'm all for sticking by Ally for now, or season at a time. But he needs to show he can develope the young guys, this is a must for any Rangers manager given the training facilities we have, not to mention the drop in financies for Scottish football in general.

Ally is the man? Lol

Good start to the league campaign can't be argued but embarrassingly put out of the cup to Forfar can't be papered over. Abysmal campaign last year with 5-6 million budget against premier division junior football standard part time players with us failing to win in ten league matches including defeats at Ibrox. Some people can't see past Super Ally but i'm not daft, I can. Loved the man as a player but i'm a realist and I know he's not going to cut it when we are back in the top division. Why these people defending McCoist can't see he's basically having to throw money at it to win these leagues is beyond me, truly blinkered. An 8 million pound budget to win the 3rd tier of Scottish football is pathetic and a disgraceful waste of money. It truly shows the lack of faith the management team have in there own ability and in the young players at the club. I reckon there are literally tens of thousands of managers across the globe who for 850k a year and with an 8 million pound budget could have bettered Ally's win ratio in the last 2 years. I'm 100% convinced of that.

Doesn't matter what I think though, he's here till he literally falls flat on his erse by the looks of things. He'll keep sucking up to every new man who comes through the doors and cling to his job till he has to be removed from the post. He's already started with the soundbites in support of Dave King I see today, massive surprises there. Not that i'm against King coming back the polar opposite infact, i'm just pointing to the fact that it could be Vlad the impaler in line to takeover Rangers and Ally would be kissing his ar5e before he'd even arrived in the country lol. God love him he's a survivor. I wish he had never become Rangers manager only for the simple reason it's made me less of a fan of McCoist and that's dissappointing. Clearly not everyone shares my opinion I understand that but I felt the need to weigh in and have a rant about it.

@10. I agree to ceartin extent but my point is this. The budget has now been exceeded probably for the next 3 years if the truth be told. We have seen our proportion to the end product been spent in 1 1/2 seasons where it should have been spread over 3 or 4.

If Ally had gone with youth last year and we were getting beat and the third division was looking doubtful what would the comments be? There is a high expectancy from fans to win and win comfortably in every game, we are doing that and still there's doubts?
People on here quoting an 8 million wage bill how many players does that cover, its not just the eleven on the park. We need a squad to cover injuries remember.
I am not Allys biggest fan as a manager but he has two seasons now to prove himself, spend no more money the team we have will win this division and the championship then judge him surely on what he buys and his team in the premier league.
Moshni was quoted as saying if he won the champions league he would not get credit, how true! PB

Number 12, time to come down from the judgement throne and join us mere mortals- if even for just 1 day.

@16, I think you are what used to be called a fairweather fan, if the young team had been played would you have been screaming criticm or would you have been trying to encourage them to do better next time, Rangers have went thru bad times before and crowds have went down but they survived because they had a hard core of real supporters, but now I think most are like you who think you can buy success without doing the hard work.

10 Oct 2013 02:25:04
Rangers: Ally McCoist supports Dave King return

Guy goes from white knight to Whyte knight. SDM to Whyte to Green to Mathers to King. whilst always slagging off the last guy.

Also says he's right behind board and approaching King shows they're good guys.

I'm a Tim, just so we are clear, and I try to walk the middle of the road most times, but ally, and I have never met him personally, has hit rock bottom in my eyes ( I doubt he or you are worried), so sad to see a guy that had the love of the fans throwing it all was for a few quid. HH. Joe

If most fans are being honest they also backed these people and with regards to dave king then I would back his return so long as he opens the books up completely to all scrutiny and leaves nothing in the club left open to any undue controversy before he takes up any post but can this all be done before the AGM I very much doubt it and I smell some false promises being made in an effort to get these incumbants past the agm on the back of dave king coming to the rescue, I also hope I am wrong because this club doesn't need another false dawn. BT

Ally is better concentrating on team matters and stop trying to jump from camp to camp depending on how the wind blows.
Ally has been used as a buffer since Walter left and feels he must comment on everything. He should just talk about team matters as he is only an ordinary shareholder and can cast his vote accordingly.
Dave King will not be influenced by others blowing his trumpet and although a total bluenose, he will put the club on its feet again. That is if he decides to go ahead!
I feel he will, after a total gut and fillet of all that is bad with our beloved team.
billyb

If we it becomes a clean slate 1 day ally should be leaving also.

Does the club need immediate cash?

10 Oct 2013 09:56:57
He sould have been behind King all along

All this stuff about slating ally at every
turn has to stop
He was asked his opinion on D. King
he said he would be a welcome
appointment to the board as the
majority of us think. He's hardly going
to say he doesn't want him is he.
A lot of people forget (although handsomely paid) ally has done more than just a management job for our club when others
would've walked

To be honest it sounds like a desperate attempt by the board to generate immediate cash flow before the AGM or possibly before it runs out completely. as for Ally throwing his support behind yet another saviour its now got as bad as a Chairman's vote of confidence for a manager under pressure

@3 Totally agree Ally has been pulled all over the place instead of being able to concentrate on the park. I can't help feeling that his passion for the club has been his weak spot, and the spivs know it! He has been fighting the cause, even to a fault. Who has been there to sheild him like a manager does for his players? I would love to see him focused on the park, leaving all else to people he can trust, would Dave King be the right king of guy for Rangers? I say yes!

10 Oct 2013 12:29:28
#7 A lot of people forget (although handsomely paid) ally has done more than just a management job for our club.

Exactly fans should not forget the vital work Ally did in promoting the share issue for Charles Green, sorry, the club, going to various meetings around the country and doing extensive interviews saying that he was buying shares himself 'as a fan' to get everybody onside albeit his only cost a penny each. Well done Super Ally. And remember he didn't even look at his contract when signing it and had no idea he was on over �800000 a year for struggling to beat part timers.

10. Agreed. Anyone who can't remember that he was on over £800 k a year has a serious memory attention span problem and should not be allowed to be involved in sourcing and signing new players!

McCoist has zero credibility time we got shot of him

@10, totally agree

I do not like Ally McCoist anymore in any way, Manager - clueless, Public speaking - embarrassing, Lies - brilliant, Choice of latest 'pal' - great at backing anything that keeps him in a job, Face - both of them, rubbish - What £800k salary honest I never noticed mind the new contract small print ah get the lot back in SPFL and ma bonuses and back to my £800k. not that I'm bothered like. patronising dishonest and mercenary words that sum up this FORMER Rangers great. george

10 Oct 2013 00:00:50
just spent a nice evening in the ibrox megastore at the launch of the mr struth the boss book and had nice chat with johnny hubbard who my friend colin brought up from prestwick, a book worth buying doug t. s. o