Rangers Banter Archive October 10 2012

 

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10 Oct 2012 22:25:36
Quick question!? Charles green wants 500 per share yet the club has no previous accounts? How on earth did he come up with that figure? Maybe I'm being paranoid now but I smell a rat somewhere!why the sudden rush for the money etc? Time to talk to the fans...no bullxxit!

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Memo to Charles Green.Show us the accounts before we show you the money.
Good post OP

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Your bying shares in his company not the club its self

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Charles is in a big rush for money....a big rush.
Ask what is the money for? To pay for what?
Why does he need this money? If its any portion of operating costs be very very scared.
Ask who will receive the money and have control of it?

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I smell a rat too op!.

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11 Oct 2012 09:08:00
According to Green the money is for "investment in the playing staff" How? the club cannot sign anyone until September 2013.
Also to "upgrade facilities" was money not already supposed to be put by for this?
"To help with running costs"? Surely if club is "debt free" as he has said again today with the season ticket money, the extra investment he claims already made in club and the cutting of the wage bill, Green has enough money to run club without this share issue.
Why the almighty rush? He knows the FTT ruling is imminent and is trying to get his money before the s..t hits the fan.
The fans have backed him with 40,000 buying season tickets at £300 a pop, now he wants a minimum £500 from them, with Christmas coming on and this recession where are ordinary fans going to get the money to do this.
Bears this man only wants your money for HIMSELF and his business cronies. Beware false idols. Timalloy {Ed039's Note - Timally, what does the FTT have to do with Charles Green?)

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11 Oct 2012 09:51:23
Your sense of smell is very poor if you can only smell one rat.

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ED I agree with timalloy here.Once the FTT
outcome is known this will frighten off any
institutional investers

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10 Oct 2012 21:34:28
Charles Green, Craig whyte and myself all have "wealth off the radar". In other words not a pot to peesh in. Try measuring nothing. Good luck with the share issue Charlie Boy. Dont think the bears will go for this. They just coughed up best part of 300 notes for season tickets, now you want a minimum of 500 notes for a share issue? where are folk going to get the money from? and why do you need it so urgently.? Why not wait until later in the season? I smell something.

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What are you talking about?

Green & co paid £5.5m. Could you do that?

Why are you getting on Greens back, so what if he makes a profit? That's what business is about. You are no doubt one that declared that the fans should own the club and when given the chance to do o, you won't put your hand in your pocket, some supporter you are!

If you don't like it don't buy them, in fact don't go to the games, but leave us true supporters to support the club we love.

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It is not about him making a profit. It is about him filling his pockets with cash and leaving a car wreck behind.

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5.5 million. sounds like the bargain of the century! for 5.5 million he owns Ibrox and Murray Park. Really? Love to see the paperwork. I think pork pies are being told here. The administrators could only raise 5.5 million for these huge fixed assets? How many houses could you build on Ibrox? What would it reall be worth to a businessman, a true businessman who got his hands on Ibrox would flatten the place - redevelop the Listed part and the rest would be a retail park or housing development. I dont believe he bought fixed assets for 5.5 million - or D&P will be in trouble.

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Green LOANED the money to the club and wants it back! Don't give him and his cronies, Ahmad and Stockbridge another feckin penny - you'll be very sorry if you do!

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10 Oct 2012 21:24:52
This week the financial doubts rise again, I presume by malicious **** stirring fans of other clubs. Next week we are due the Ticketus name again with all sorts of stories that they own this and that. Then we will have nonsense that Whyte's dogs dad owns Ibrox.

It is the same garbage trotted out on a cyclical basis,
it is 99% dross.

Why don't these **** stirrers go and annoy somebody else why are they obsessed with a third div team with no history?
Wonder how many of the bhoys have been on the Annan web page lately.

Next it will BDO cancelling the sale, then admin, then god knows what. I can honestly say that I have never once visited any site with anything to do with them, because I don't care about anything they do or say. But then again I am not OBSESSED.

I suggest to real Rangers fans not to answer these people and hopefully when they get nothing in return they will go back to where they belong.

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You seem quite OBSESSED at the minute!

Joeshmo1888

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10 Oct 2012 23:56:16
The one and only reason i'm on here is for a laugh , laughing at the extinction of Rangers and i'll laugh even more when Newco get into financial difficulties too, £6 m wage bill in 3rd div ! ridiculous. I supported my team through the 90's and had to endure your gloating and arrogance fuelled by your over spending , mis- managed shameful club.......PS.. as you said "off to where they belong" that will be top of the SPL and Champions league.....Stevie

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It's only good advice mate.

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Joeshmoe, op here , you are a Celtic fan on a Rangers site and you call me obsessed. Pot and kettle springs to mind.

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DO you really believe after some of the rot that CG has come out with (3 Billionaires waiting in the wings, Newcastle FC lads coming up to Glasgow etc etc) that all Rangers fans trust him 100%?

More and more questions are being asked.

& not many answers are being given.

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I never said i wasnt obsessed, it was you!
Personally i am at the minute, its like driving past a car crash, you know you shouln't look but you cant help yourself.

Joeshmo1888

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To the OP... theres no smoke without fire mate.

When a story wont go away, not always, but usually it means there is infact " a story".

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10 Oct 2012 19:47:18
Is it just me or is every positive Rangers story claimed by celtic fans to be deluding ourselves. On the other hand every negative story is 100% true- no matter what as long as negative.

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Well give an example then.

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Well what positive stories could possibly come from a situation where a new club enter the Scottish league system trying to buy their way through the leagues, i.e £6m wage bill, and can't win an away game?

Mikey Bhoy

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Lol, give an example really? Every bloody story be it positive or negative is hijacked immediately. Thats where the obsession comes in. If you really have to ask for an example.......................you are blind or deluded, just read comments about any story.

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Same question OP give us an example of a good news story that has come to pass? thats why they are ridiculed and slated because its Chuckie and co telling the bears what they want to hear (the truth has little is anything to do with this man)

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10 Oct 2012 19:33:17
how long are we going to ask charles green for straight forward answers, and get nothing back from him .we really need to speak with or feet and pockets as this will be the only way i fear we will get to the answers we desire

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What the hell are you on about you now want us to boycot our own team get a grip he is the only man in town he is the one who is trying to drag us back up so for god sake get behind charles green and the team ;;cooperboy {Ed039's Note - Great post Coops)

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@1: but is he trying to drag you back up or make himself and the investors (who are they) some cash quickly?

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10 Oct 2012 21:55:52
@ cooperboy, think thats an eastender at their usual propaganda p@sh

lets not fall for that mate

we are in the 3rd and still they are obsessed with us

JG

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10 Oct 2012 22:26:56
nice try timmy

JG

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10 Oct 2012 18:46:51
While the expenditure is clearly down, slashing the wage bill considerably being the major reduction, the fact remains the revenue has drastically dropped too. Gate income more or less halved in league terms for example. Plus come the end of the season Division 3 money will be a pittance compared to SPL cash. Green's £5.5m might not be enough to sustain that too long, hence the hurried share issue maybe.

Some of you are correct, there is no immediacy regards this concerning stadium revamping or purchasing players, two of the more obvious reasons for a share issue, so why right now? It is a pertinent question for Rangers fans to ask I think.

Gaz {Ed039's Note - It is a sensible question to ask Gaz, but I also think there is alot of scaremongering going on just now and I am not immediately concerned, but another question that has to be asked and clarified is, who are your investors and how much have they invested so this is transparant to the fans)

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Green's £5.5m hasnt been invested in Sevco - he's levied it as a loan which was used to pay D&P for the components for him to form The Rangers {Ed039's Note - Listen, I have been saying this for a while, his loan was to purchase Rangers, it is his loan, not Rangers loan, not Rangers debt, which is why it is in his best interests to run Rangers solvently as it is his consortium, their personal wealth AND rangers who are at risk)

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Ed039 - just how many companies has Green been on the board of, who post float have lost majority of thier investors investments...

surely this is 0 or very small....

according to the internet bampots, its lots.

Gers fans need to investigate, find the facts.

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Repayments to Greens loan is about £140K a month, McCoist salary alone is £1m pa, don't think Green isn't taking a salary and he's already stated he'll do a better job than Peter Lawwell so he could be commanding a salary more than him (£850k), regular maintainace on Ibrox (the place is crumbling and rusting!) then there's all the support staff(still the same as under the old rangers). An expensive outfit for a third division club. Sustainable? The experts are casting their opinions . Time will tell. I know where my money is!

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The OP is incorrect about ticketing revenue, sales are on a par with last year. Prices are 1/3 less, but Rangers have played a lot more home games this year. So ticket revenue is actually down less than 1/3, the ST sales alone generated approx £10.5 million with an annual wage bill of £6 million. Wages are the clubs biggest cost, hence why Rangers will post a significant profit next Summer.

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Ed, he didnt purchase Rangers, he bought the assets of Rangers and formed a new club, a new club who has started life where new clubs start, the third division and because its a new club and the UEFA, the governing body, recognise it as a new club it isnt permitted to play in its competitions for atleast 3 years. {Ed039's Note - Well excuse my ignorance Mr know it all. Anything else you can enlighten me with, maybe the meaning of life? You seem to know everything else. It shows how bored you are already when you can define and understand everything Rangers)

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Ed's getting a bit grouchy tonight! {Ed039's Note - You sit on this side of the site mate, you would be grouchy as well though, no but seriously though alot of the posts are brand new and have no problems with, but their have been a few that havent made it on tonight that have really annoyed me)

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Lets look at Mr Green :-

No problems with HMRC
No problems with CVA
No chance of liquidation
No problems with SPL
No problems - its SFL 1
Players will TUPE over
Players will be sued
BBC will be sued
3 billionaires
20 existing investors lined up
9 Newcastle players on loan
5 players from Euros (Templeton!)
I was at EUEFA in Switzerland
10% sold to guy with training company
10% sold to Newcastle guy
Ally not been given 4.5% in lieu of SPL level salary
I am sure there is lots more. {Ed039's Note - Good post I suppose)

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1. The seller was desperate to sell the club;

2. The process was taken at the fastest possible pace;

3. The new buyer talked big about plans for the club;

4. The buyer was greeted as a saviour in many sections of the media;

5. Large statements were made about the buyer's finances with little by way of hard information to back them up;

6. The buyer had a chequered record of company directorships;

And whaddya know? This time around all six apply all over again

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@4
OK season ticket sales of £10.5m, dedeuct 20% for VAT from that (or dont you pay VAT just like the old Rangers?)

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@4 its not only what you bring in with STs and expediture via wages! What about tax and national insurance payments, insurance policies,stadium up keep, MP upkeep and every day costs? I know you have corporate and hospitality incomes but these will be small.

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Ed, in your response so 5, I just presumed, wrong now I know, that you had the same competence level as ED01 who already today has stated 'it is my job to know' {Ed039's Note - I never will pretend that I know everything, but to me the team that runs out in blue every week is Rangers, therefore Charlie in my eyes bought Rangers and there was my response to it, technically wrong I know, technically you are right, but the number of posts on here everyday takes its toll on you and you can only read the same stuff over and over again before you start writing "all work and no play ......." lol)

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Ed, you sound like you need a drink, I'm sitting back , with a beautiful glass of Bordeaux, highly recommend it! {Ed039's Note - To top it all off I am at work and driving home, so no drinking for me for a while guys. Enjoy the wine)

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10 Oct 2012 22:23:54
@9 goes both ways - 20, 30, 40 gazillion CL money, do you pay tax on that?

JG

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@13.
No you don't pay money on the CL revenue , Celtic will pay tax on the ticket sales however , circa £7m. The actual CL money from UEFA they won't.
It'll be a long time if not forever before you need to worry about the CL.

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@13, Yes we do! Because we can. Also because we have to!

Joeshmo1888

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Vat is payable but tax and ni not the same for a ltd company as self employed therefore benifit for ltd exceed self employed.

know your facts before posting in future

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@ 4. I was almost praying someone would pull me up on the stats. First off, I said league figures.

Last season Rangers fans were paying roughly £28 a ticket for the SPL, average attendance was 46,324. They had NINETEEN home games. Brings in £24,644,368.

This season £15 a ticket in Division 3, average attendance (based on 3 games) 46,738. They will have EIGHTEEN home games. Brings in £12,619,260.

I think a number of us would agree that average will dip at some point. You will need an average home crowd of 91,275 to break even on last season's league attendance income. That is beyond impossible.

Other homes games last season - Maribor and Malmo (52,000 fans at what £28 a pop). Dundee Utd in the Cup (17,000) and whatever other friendlies. (Milan etc).

This season, East Fife & Falkirk in League Cup (65,000 x £15) Motherwell (29,000) at whatever price.

Ramsden v QOS (24,000 x £15).

And two further home games to go so far, Alloa and ICT. No glamour friendlies you would imagine.

I'd say you've done well to drop by only a third if that does become the case. Will require a lot of 40,000 plus midweek winter games to keep on that target.

But from the league alone, as I initially said, it has more or less halved and leaves a shortfall of £12m.

Gaz

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@17 Great post

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10 Oct 2012 17:44:03
Charles Green should show that he has
been responsible with the millions that
supporters have already put up before
he asks for more! There is no rush, right?
We should wait as long as it takes to see
the yearly accounts! He conceals too muc.
We have to really test this guy!

One concerned Bear.

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Fans need to ask at these open meetings...

Mr Green how many times has the company you are part of lost most of its shareholders value ?

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He has made a fortune for SOME of his previous shareholders, the type that come in for the quick profit and then off!
Meantime the shareholders who are in for the long haul are left to pay for the huge profits of a FEW!

I don't mind somebody making a profit, providing they have EARNED it, and left our club and support in good shape.

I get the feeling Green wants to take the credit and profit, whilst looking to us supporters for the cash! Where are his backers?

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Quote from daily record,
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/rangers-in-crisis-business-history-of-prospective-877922

He is believed to have been deputy chairman of Qatari construction company Panceltica, parts of which went into liquidation in 2009.

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10 Oct 2012 17:26:45
Ally has to go......NOW!!!

Stirling was the last straw for me. In the summer we had an opportunity to rebuild and assemble a side ready for division 3 and division 2 football. What does Ally do?? Goes and signs the likes of Black, Shields, Kyle, Sandaza, Cribari, Faure ect, ect. At the time i thought it was the wrong route to go down and i feel now i am justified in having that opinion. For me Black and Shields would have done. The rest of Ally's signings should have been from the lower leagues of Scotland and possibly England. Guys who are used to the hustle and bustle of the game at that level. A few steady, nonsence centre halves, a couple of wee wide players that don't mind getting kicked about and a prolific scorer at that level like rory mcallister. Mixed with the likes of Perry, Hutton, Little McCulloch, Alexander, wallace and the young lads coming through like McLeod, McKay, Naismith, Aird and we'd have a team capable of back to back promotions, a club with a substancially lesser wage than at present and in going down this route we might unearth a few wee gems....Instead we have Sandaza who hasn't looked interested since day 1, an overweight, injury prone striker in Kyle and a less than convincing centre half in Cribari, all take at least 12k a week out the club, if not more......I mean through in Faure, the greek full back and the aussie striker and theres another 10k - 12k a week.......For a fraction of that we could have 10 players who'd run through brick walls for a club like ours. Through in our dreadful away form and less than convincing performances, apart from Motherwell and Ally should take a serious look at himself......

J1985

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Matt McKay says no skill training was done at Murray park, I believe him now, I actually thought matt McKay looked a good player but never fitted into allys long ball tactic.

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No one that was signed in the Summer earns anything like those figures.

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Matt McKay was in great form when he arrived at Rangers, i thought he'd have walked into that side but McCoist thought otherwise. Not playing McKay was for me the first indication of McCoist not playing a system which suited his available squad. He just took what was available and maintained his defensive long ball nonsence. If i remember correctly, within 15 minutes of his first start he had an assist which highlighted his ability to get forward and deliver a decent ball. Then he hardly played again. Waste.

Melb Bhoy

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@2: think the OP meant a few players collectively.

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10 Oct 2012 17:22:01
We shoouldn't be criticising the Americans who run EPL clubs after all our club was run from America for long enough. It is maybe a shame that it still wasn't. Was it not an American who sold it to David Murray which eventually led to all this misery for us. Lawrence Marlborough was an honest Rangers man who thought he was doing it in the better interests of our club he ran the Club after his uncle departed with great servants on the Rangers board at the time . Oh for men of honesty and wisdom like Waddell etc. could be found and bring this great club back to what it once was and for the fans sake deserves. You may not trust the recent Americans who have failed but I can't see how you can put your trust in Green who only tells the fans what they want to hear and most of it is lies. He is a money grabber who is ducking and diving as it suits him.
Bobby

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Waddell was a bigot like all previous before souness

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10 Oct 2012 17:08:14
Is It Just Me Who Thinks That The Defeat 2 Stirling Albion Was The Wake Up Call We Need?!?!?!? C'Mon U 'Gers!!!

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What about the draws to peterhead, Berwick and annan plus the defeat to QOTS in the fish supper cup? Ally won't change his long ball tactics so no is the answer to your question, think your clutching at straws.

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OP, you are wasting your time with this fickle bunch. A lot of them can t grasp that the quality players we had have gone. Most people should lower their expectations. A few blips here or there, come May 2013 as long as Rangers are promoted is all that should matter. This is not saying we should be happy with recent results/ play, but..........we should be realistic.

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10 Oct 2012 14:37:50
So why exactly does Charles Green want a share issue now if The Rangers are debt free and under a transfer embargo?

Why not wait until just before the embargo is lifted so the money can be used to strengthen the squad rather than in the run up to christmas when if you believe the spin machine the money isn't really even neccesary for the running of the club at the moment?

I might just be paranoid after the last two owners were shown up to be liars but something seems a bit fishy about the share issue.

Can anyone who knows more about this kind of thing than me (virtually everybody!) shed some light on the reasoning?

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Green knows cash is only gonna get tighter and needs to start recouping his outlay.Remember he is raising a share flotation without any published financials,very strange.As soon as his group can make a profit he will be off and everything will be,at best,sold on to another group and at worst enter another administration.

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10 Oct 2012 15:56:52
My guess is, Gers' may be debt free but their not exactly rolling in it. The 3rd div isnt going to provide wads of cash. We need as much cash pumped in as possible to keep the wolves from the door. RTID

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To keep the club afloat?to line his and his investors pockets?charles has been known to be economical with the truth at times.

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I have been saying this for weeks, when a company has a share issue its to raise funds ......usually just before its peak ...and that would be us going back in to SPL

why now? if we debt free and cant buy players....Raise funds now in 3rd div can only be for.

1. were in debt a CG has no cash to keep this going to were back in spl

2. He wants his share now so he can leg it and leave us still with no cash.

My bet his intentions were only every 12-18 months ...cash and run

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Gers fans (and well done) handed over season ticket money.... so far about £12 million.

Now if they stump up £20 million more, or even half than £10 million.. a killing could be made.

Or it could all be for the development of the team... though cant buy players, or a training ground (already got one), so just money in bank..... ?

very odd, looks wrong, caveat emptor.

If gers go into admin before xmas, yet another £30 million could have disappeared, then what ?

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I'm a bit puzzled by all this, Murray tried a share issue when we were in a shed load of debt and it fell flat on its face. Times are hard at the moment so why does CG think a fan share issue will succeed now? I can barely afford my season ticket at the minute.
JMG

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10 Oct 2012 13:42:48
this is a part from that american statment yesterday The owners have instructed Capita Registrars to carry out a share issue in the newco, which they expect to take place this month. Mr Green had previously stated in an interview with the club's official online TV channel that his consortium would make money through a share issue would do us as rangers fans get out of this we cant sign players we have good anuf training facielties ect and acording to green and malcom murrray we will always run in profit so our income should be covering our outgoings we dont need this share issue rite now its just going to go to green and his consurtium and we wont see a penny invested in our team

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Anybody know when we're going to finally see audited accounts being signed out of Ibrox?

I'm guessing some time after any rushed share issue.

BARNEY BEAR

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Green needs this asap.

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Why do you think Green is at Ibrox ? Are you seriuosly surprised at him wanting to make money? Come on mate get a grip and accept the reality.

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Look green needs to make the money back that his consortium put in to buy rangers if this is how he does it and our club is run in good financial health then that's what we get out of it. Or do you want to stay anti CG and say I'm no putting money in to the share scheme then how will he make his money quite easy if we reject the share offer he will just wait till we get back to the top and sell the best young talent and invest in the team. Yeah that's the attitude

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@4 So you think Charlie will wait that long for his money ?. Deluded or what ?.
Tam

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10 Oct 2012 10:53:19
Having been in the privileged position to be in the company of some of our current and ex-players in recent times I feel our big problem this season is arrogance and attitude.

McCoist's managerial skills/experience is also an issue however.........

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10 Oct 2012 10:28:49
if rangers fail to beat queens park next weekend ally WILL lose his job!

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That ties at ibrox its the away ties ally must be judged on now, we have already dropped 9 away points in the 3rd division, its shocking.

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WHEN Rangers fail to beat Queens Park.
Anyway, come on, he's lost it already, it's just when he goes.

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@1.) the danger is when the small teams stop being overwhelmed by ibrox and turn in a decent display to steal a point or 3.

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10 Oct 2012 08:15:03
After reading all the posts about McCoist...anybody who is still supporting him are trying to defend the indefencible...McCoist has reached his level of incompetence...any honourable man would stand down NOW.

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I don't mind criticism of Ally's tactics or signing policy but to say he isn't honourable is out of order.

BARNEY BEAR

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10 Oct 2012 01:18:21
I think that we are losing the plot with some of the comments regarding results. I think they have to realise that this is not Rangers as we have known them. This is so different, we are in div three, and the only one in the team that would get a regular game in seasons gone by. Wallace is that man.

We seem to forget where we are and the players we have.
I know we pay the second highest wages in Scotland
and I know we should be winning these games, but it will come. We need to win the league and we will, we then need to try and improve next year to win second div. we don't need the players of old, and yet we compare present players to them, it's not fair and not correct.

We wanted to see young players and we have, we would never have seen McKay, Aird, McLeod etc if we were in SPL. If one or two improve over the next few years we have won a watch. Let them improve and hopefully a gem will emerge. You have to remember that these guys last year finished half way up their league, so don't expect world beaters. But with young players comes inconsistency so don't expect them to produce week in week out.

I have to say that I was surprised that we managed to sign the likes of Black, Sandaza, Sheils & Templeton. They were highly thought of for their SPL teams, they were considered good SPL players. Well Templeton excluded, and the occasional performance from Sheils, they have been very poor. They need to improve their fitness and standards immediately, they should be the ones to help the kids, so far it has been the kids that are doing it.

Let's take our time, get better and rebuild. There is no hurry, let's give them a chance without constant criticism. They are not the Rangers we are used to, please remember that.

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It's not so much the results as the style of football for me is the problem. For McCoist to stick to the long ball game when it has not worked in any away game this season is indefensible and a sign of his lacking as a manager ( I mean he says he doesn't know what's going wrong FFS). A good manager motivates his team with a mixture of fear and respect. Ally is too pally with his team which leads to him not dropping his pals when he should and refusing to pick players (e.g Hutton) when it's obvious he should. Ally learned from the master of not losing (Walter) but he's never a Walter Smith. It's been a very long time since we had a manager who promotes youth effectively and plays attractive football. When everyone else wakes to the fact McCoist isn't up to the job then my wish is to have a manager who does this. Larry

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OP you're definitely typing from an Ibrox office whoever you are. Ally's crap, stop with the perception peddling.

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Thoroughly agree. Delighted to see young players coming through, but its his signings that let us down. Shiels, Black, Sandaza when fit should be leaders on the park. The young ones should give us flair and play without fear. Unfortunately, there is no system to play to. We play the long ball, Un-attractive type football which seems to be alien to other young managers coming into the game. Other teams with lesser skilled players play passing football. Said it since Malmo first leg, he's not got it. Other than the two Celtic games at Ibrox it has been painful. Don't want to see him go in shame but we need a change.

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10 Oct 2012 00:59:22
Sick fed up of people having a pop at Rangers, the latest from Miller's mob is ridiculous. What he says is costs have to be reduced. No **** Sherlock!

What do you think a £24m wages reduction is?

Why do these people think they can get five minutes of
fame on our back. Who cares about Miller, he made
his decision. Good, glad he did, we have seen enough of American owners from EPL. Hardly fills you with confidence, and I am glad they buggered off.

There is just one after the other of ex board members or failed bidders who have something to say. Guess what, you had your chance, did not want it or didn't have the money. Why not get with your own lives without putting your tuppence in, nobody cares or wants to hear from any of you.

Let us rebuild our team and club without your interference.

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Have you not seen enough british owners they have really f..ked you lot over lol

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Saving £24m in wages at the expense of loosing £10m in transfer fee's in really good business isnt it?

What you still have however is a new club that is finding its way in the 4th tier of Scottish football.
A wage bill of £6m and considerable stadium and training ground operating expenses plus debt of circa £4m to UK & European football clubs and £9m owed to whoever is backing C.Green, now we've heard Green suggesting theres been considerable investment from his 'consortium' yet this same consortium have put a £9m loan on the club!! {Ed001's Note - you clearly have no understanding of the business of football. The club have not lost £10m in transfer fees, when you sell a player elsewhere you have to pay up their remaining contract. Unless the player hands in a transfer request, hence why so many players do so these days, because the pay off will number in the millions and scupper any move happening. Paying off the contracts would have ended up probably costing the club as much or more than it received in transfer fees.}

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Nobody cares?

So why go off on a rant? Doesn't that suggest that you care?

And another thing, I would love to hear why Walter and the Late Knights didn't pursue their bid.

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Ed, YOU'VE LOST THE PLOT MATE!

So Rangers wouldn't have made anything off the likes of McGregor, Naismith and Davis et al?!

You're having a total and utter laugh! {Ed001's Note - you have no idea what you are talking about. Of course they would have made nothing, nobody was going to pay fair value for a player from a club in admin. Just look at the prices Portsmouth were getting. The only way they would have made any money is if the players did what Alan Smith did for Leeds, when he joined Man Utd, and gifted his pay off back to the club. Have you done any research of what happened there after they went into admin? How they couldn't get players completely off the books and were still paying ex-players for years afterwards. You are ignorant of any idea of the real life situation. Please don't try and seem like you have a clue, you clearly have no idea about the business side of the game. Try understanding that it is my job to know this, while you are just a fan and have no insight into anything you are talking about other than how much you pay for a ticket or a pie at the ground.}

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I don't believe Green at all. The guy tells lies just like David Murray and his directors and Craig whyte all dishonest liars. I don't believe wages are only £6m either, has anyone seen formal accounts? It's just verbal from Green, no firm evidence.

What we need is Green and Imran on Tv telling us why a share issue is needed at all after only 4 months and precisely where in the club every penny is going and what is the forecasted share values and annual dividends.

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Do you think if Green hadnt lied about doing a deal with HMRC then our club wouldve had more of a chance of survival as a higher cva may have been proposed and we wouldnt have lost all our players and our league position and basically our dignity?

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