Rangers Banter Archive March 10 2012

10 Mar 2012 23:44:45
Thanks ed for answering my question regarding pritchard,and sorey about your stressfull day,i beleive this is what whyte done as it fits in & as you say if rangers could claim it back they would just be a creditor,its to neat its exactly six mill,n assets,iam confident this way it play out that merchant own everything,i have done lots on research on alot & this is defenitly what has happend,i no things could of gone before admin,but now the assets frozen gives whyte a security blanket,hope you have a good sleep n better day tomorrow,remember tommorow another day {Ed001's Note - if it isn't any better I will just pull the duvet over me head stay in bed until it is over!}

If the guy posting this did his homework he would know that in Scottish law you can not buy a company with assets owned by that company unless you have prior agreement with the owners of said assets so unless 42500 SEASON TICKET HOLDERS binned letters from Whyte without reading them.His theory is flawed and surely D+P would handle the administration themselves instead of subcontracting it out

Players take a wage cut and everything is ok ?

After the wage cut , RFC are still 320,000 a month short of D&F cut to stay solvent . Then Hector wants his 64m+ for tax dodging . Paul Murray & Ticketus couldnt raise that if you gave them 60m quid . Goodnight Dodo FC

10 Mar 2012 23:27:40
he spent about 80 million and recouped around 50 million(figures not exact). so around 30 mill net! he left a team in better shape than the one he inherited, which if people remember was a brand new team with only ian ferguson remaining and a young barry ferguson coming through. it was always going to cost money to replace a 9 in a row team. he won us titles as well so advocaat was not reckless. murray told him he could spend it

He had albertz from smith aswell but didn't really rate him, even though he was lethal

Amoruso, albertz, Barry ferguson,Charlie miller, Ian ferguson

Bjorklund , porrinni , Moore

To be fair without Big Dick we wouldnt of seen Numan DeBoer's Gio etc. Kanchelskis. It was a great era to be a bear, the home game against Parma blew me away. Not sure if Im on topic though.... CheltBlue

Niemi,porrini,vidmar,Moore,amoroso,
Stensaas,gattuso,thern,b ferguson,I ferguson,Albertz,gattuso,mcinnes,negri,
Durie,rozental,johannson.advocaat always said he was only left 3 first team players!

10 Mar 2012 21:55:50
ED:001
Do you know anything about a Ross Brown? He's listed as a director of "Rangers Football Club of Glasgow ltd"
The company was only set up 19 days ago. Amazing how many company directors/secretaries etc are using the Rangers name.
Stevie-A-Bear {Ed001's Note - I don't know anything much about him, but his previous business record does not give much confidence in his abilities. The 3 previous directorships he had were all in companies that are now dissolved.}

Might be because lots of people are registering any name with rangers in it.if rangers have to change their name theres cash to be made selling it.similar to . com domain names?

10 Mar 2012 19:52:03
Was just in asda there and a wee guy asked if he could pack ma bags for a donation to his fitbaw team. Imagine ma surprise when I looked up and saw it was Steven Naismith.

10 Mar 2012 18:24:06
Hope this clears up things from earlier post,
Craig whyte moved rangers assets & 6 million into pritchards account,following their liquadation craig whytes merchant capitail are the main creditor of pritchards they are in process of recovering their cash & assets,i.e the missing 6 million ibrox & murray park n car park,as assets are frozen whilst this takes place no sale of rangers can be concluded without whyte decision to either re sell or lease ibrox,or prevent any sale of club as they have no regesterd assets,rangers fc can make no claim to pritchard assets even when handed back to merchant capitail,as even tho to us ibrox is rangers business papers say it pritchards,duff n phelps working for whyte they took over club with him,its a well orchistrated mark my words on this www.pritchard.co.uk will enlighten u more this whyte is ten steps ahead and yous all to naive to see it

I think you might find that the £6m is frozen and cannot be accessed at the moment by anyone. The FSA have frozen the account and they will determine whether it can realised and to whom.

I agree its frozen & its 6 million plus assets,as its being decided who gets it iam glad u keeping up its rangers 6 million & assets r they 1 in consideraion for the assets & money,as i posted rangers fc have no claim to any off it,but again its that saviour n wealth off radar attitude that got u in mess,this is going to be fact,u think whyte walkin with norhing,

Thats what he said.read it

Whyte has got gers by balls n with all this going to come out that you have lost everything to merchant capitail then feel the squeeze,

10 Mar 2012 19:07:08
with rangers finally setting up a scheme for fans to donate money directly to the club. i.e the RFFF. im guessing this money if enough will be used to pay off out standing debts to clubs like dufc and caley plus also maybe pay off some of the tax money where due excluding the EBT case..

removing these debts will make use a better prospect for someone to buy the club. which has to be a good think,

however i have two concerns about this.

A) how much of the pledges on the saverangers site actually show up on the RFFF scheme. there was £12 million worth of pledges on that sight heres hoping the RFFF get even close to that.

B) that craig whyte aint had his shares seized yet. and if there not we as fans could be paying off the debt to save the club which might in the end turn out to still be owned by craig whyte..

12million my arse. Anyone can say they will donate money but will they actually do it? I don't think so!

10 Mar 2012 17:29:24
Where were all these potential buyers when Murray was desperate to sell a few years ago before there was the burden of administration, wee tax bill, PAYE bill,VAT bill, monies owed to clubs for transfer fees surely Rangers were a more viable proposition then than they are now yet all of a sudden a potential debt of many many millions of pounds and players contracts virtually ripped up in 3 months time makes Rangers FC an incredible good buy for some wealthy owner to throw money at as if it is going out of fashion ..... i may be wrong but it is like wanting a brand new car in 2006 and waiting till it is 6 years older to buy it and have all the problems to deal with in owning something somebody else has abused in that time..... comments please

Much like C.Whyte although a legitimate business man with a few bob nobody with influence wanted to work or buddy up with SDM for example Tom Hunter

10 Mar 2012 17:05:24
am ijust imagining things or are rangers fans prepared to take any new owner as long as they survive . All you want is a sugar daddy again . get real and demand a person that will run your club properly and legally so that should eliminate murray and king , lets be honest they been there and were part of the problem no a fresh start is what u need

We aint in a position to pick n choose right now pal.....deecee

A lot of Rangers supporters are ,let me refrase that all the Rangers supporters are starting to realise that life without Rangers isnt an option they are in our blood and part of our own family history our grand parents and our own parents grew up supporting them and they engrained Rangers into our upbringing so life without Rangers isnt an option , yes if we normal day people had the money we would try taking the club over but we havent the millions that the millioner world wide supporters have so they have the power to bring Rangers out of the situation they are in and take them forward just like we would do if we had their millions because they know what the club means to so many generations and maybe many more .

10 Mar 2012 16:23:08
sorry guys wont be on sunday going to dundee where we might get beaten but hey who cares . good luck with your admin prob league wont be the same without the old firm games

10 Mar 2012 15:54:23
just a small idea i think rangers could do to say thanks to the fans for there backing and suport if we get out of administration with the help of the red a black scarf scheme, they could take the game closest to the date we are cleared from administration and every year play in red and black for one game only, just wondering what peoples thoughts on this would be ?

It would also be a rememberance day of what has happened possibly ensuring it never happens again but we got to get out of it first

10 Mar 2012 15:28:46
Expect this early next week,
Craig whyte company,prichard was put into adminastration on 11/2/12 which he then resigned,all assets reykar security and merchant recovery confirm accepting take over of assets ie ibrox murray park n car park,these assets are fronzen which results in these to company mentiobed due sale of assets n rangers get diddly squat as you cant have assets that arent registerd to your business,thats y it went in to admin before rangers,herd it here first,

Very good post was wondering about these assets tucked away in other companies.the house of cards seems to be falling

Could you try and explain this in English.

I forgot to add this to above,ppritchhard also has 6 mill as a frozen assett,gers money,but gers cant make claim to these company asset,but merchant capittail do,thats exactly what rat has done,whitehouse a snake he let cat out bag told ta shut up by clark,yous been done up like kippers but naive

As our club comes closer to being saved the more desperate yous become. . . .YOUR ICE-CREAM IS MELTING AND THE JELLY HASNT SET....OBSSESED

Saved? whats changed?

Poor wee tims are gonna be gutted if things don t go the way they hope and pray for. Poor timmy then, but time will tell as always.

Whyte has no assets at Ibrox oops maybe he should have looked at Scottish financing laws Can not buy a company with assets from that company. Valuable lesson check laws of your new country one he wont forget £27.5 for not doing your homework must be a record of some sort

He didn't buy the company using its assets. He bought it for a pound of his own money. He used its assets to pay off debt to the bank.

10 Mar 2012 14:02:19
What do we make of the consortium bid? No sure what this dodgy ticketus mob are doing in there myself.

On the face of it things are looking rosy. Shyte took st money to pay off lloyds but only transferred the debt to some other dodgy company shytecorp industries very limited let's say. As he's clearly had at least the £18m "he paid" lloyds out rangers since he's been there, even the thickest of our green and whyte friends can see he's due nowt. The administrators will clearly get possession of the shares to move on to whoever in best interests of the company as shyte quite obviously is no entitled. "Charge" null and void also obviously. Rfc own all properties. Cw out picture.

Her majesty is due 50m (IF big case lost)+ 10m (shytest of times)+ 4m (small sum due on cw takeover- he still owes us obviously. I won't be holding my breath) = £64m. Other creditors £10- 15m. Grand total £80m max. Oor Lizzy will take 10p in the £, so £8m and rfc (1873) are debt-free. Wee bargain for someone too to be honest! It's no coincidence there are many potential suitors. Many of the great unwashed are too stupit to see it or is it just the bitterness of their dream (us dying) having all but died that stops them from grasping the fairly obvious realities of this situation?!?

The agreement yesterday that we go to the end of the season all but GUARANTEES rfc (1873) kick off next season in the spl under new ownership- and believe me this Is a FACT! (this is my job timothy inc.)

FACE FACTS AND DRY YOUR MINCE PIES MY DELUDED LITTLE HOOPY CHUMS. :-)

Don't make me laugh. HMRC will not offer you a deal.
Look at it like this. Rangers offered £10million to settle with HMRC months ago and were told to beat it. So now that Rangers owe MORE money to HMRC, HMRC are willing to deal for less?

Hearts were served with 2 winding up orders for unpaid tax and given no time to pay yet.............HMRC will do a deal with Rangers?

Have you any idea of how stupid your ideas sound?

If this is your job i would worry for your clients.The administrators are not guaranteed to receive any shares,regardless of any outcome Whyte will still own them.Whyte still owns the major assets ie;ibrox and murray park,they are registered to rfc holdings.Even a result in the big tax case would cost 20m to add to your ever growing list of creditors(including the admin team at over 100k p/w that you forgot to name)You also seem HMRC will do a ten pence in the pound deal,i think you might be in for a shock there.But lets work with your figure of 80m. A bargain? Add to that an estimated 2-3m for stadium repairs(asbestos removal is very expensive) and hiring another ground to play in(hampden?) You will also have to repay the money cut from your players wages at the season end,lets say 1.5m? And getting another credit line might be difficult in austere times.Add no european revenue next year,playing in a league that offers not much in the way of cash and the fact Octopus are lurking in the background and it's not so rosy eh? And by the way the administrators did not guarantee you playing till the end of the season.read their statement.As i say ,i think you need a change of career if this is your job. STUPIT(your word not mine) be interesting to see your response. A Tim

My god you must be a legend in the banking business , oor lizzie will accept 10p in the £ ,instead of £80 million it wil be £8 million ( this is my job ) . Why don't you solve the country that you love so much,s debt as well . You don't leave a name so I'll just call you The stupid banker..........DH

Well we'll just have to all sit back and see how it all plays out over the next wee while then won't we.

WHERE'S THE BEST PLACE TO BUY JELLY AND ICE CREAM PLEASE CHAPS?!? :-)

Love and kisses,

"The Stupid Banker"

I see you could not put a structured argument against my post.I must say i thought you might have convinced me as it is your job. Another dreamer. good luck in your new career. A Tim.

10 Mar 2012 13:32:02
Seems things must be on a better footing down ipox way.two gers players are moving house,put their houses up for sale.wonder what part of scotland they are heading to? hmm. A Tim

10 Mar 2012 12:50:06
How's Ed002 getting on with her "special ops mission" ed? Any word from her mate?
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - she is chasing up some responses now mate.}

@Paulrfc;you still looking for that mcdonalds? A Tim

Nice one man, cheers

10 Mar 2012 12:33:00
Ok before I back Paul Murray with any money I want him to publicly lay out his business plan with all accounts and suppositions. I want him to fully explain who is in his blue knights and what is their business relationship, director positions, shareholding etc,... I want to see his 1 year, 3year and 5 year business plans. I want to know who he will appoint as directors.

Everything in the open, all promises like a politician. No hidden agendas or surprises after he gets in!

10 Mar 2012 12:04:40
where can you buy the red and black scarfs,please

Poundland

You get them free wi a copy of the Beano, Dennis the Menace wears one.....Stevie

There is a link on followfollow

Redblackrangers.com

Larky Bear

Www.redblackrangers.com.....w.a.t.p...billy the bear.

Go to the RST site m8

Try www.saverangers.com (£10 +£2.50 postage)
Keg

10 Mar 2012 11:23:00
Craig Whyte will rangers but not lock stock and barrel he will hold onto murray park and ibrox for 5 year and lease them to the club . After 5year will sell to club and walk with 80% of the profit theother 20% to be donated the club like hewas always going to do . By that time all debt cleared tax bills cleared stadium full , trophy room not being used as creshe anymore and Ally will get a couple of new signings ........... abit of banter at the end but the beginning quoted from business word post Thursday

U think ally will be there in 5 years if us survive? i would say get him out now and have a new job for him to have as protector of club on the board...manager he is not

10 Mar 2012 11:06:14
Lets not get carried away yet, If the HMRC dont accept the agrrement for a small percentage payment tey can still liquidate us.
Long way to go yet.
News says the players have taken a drop in wages for the next 3 months, if they go back to the original wage next season, there is still not enough income to cover that and under the new European rules regarding income to wages percentage then we will not be able to keep them.
Sorry i still see massive problems awaiting us

10 Mar 2012 10:36:14
OPEN MESSAGE TO ALL TIMS
As you can see our situation is looking much better now and I'm sure you are aware we are going to survive and get stronger and stronger.
Now you are going to win the SPL this season and how it must hurt nobody cares about this years title as all eyes and talk has been about the worlds most successful club.
As a result of this there will be a huge party at Ibrox on Sunday 25th March . It will be the biggest party in Rangers history and therefore you are invited ,
seats have been reserved for you in the Broomloan Road stand.In order to show your support for us surviving during this troubled time in our history you are requested to bring ice cream and jelly. We do hope you can all show your support for us and come along and join the party.

Should of posted that on their page mate (I no their always on here, so fair do) getting quite sick of seen messages for them on this page. (I do agree with you mind). PaulRFC

Hey maybethe celtic players will take a pay cut topay for the caterers to make a big jelly and ice cream cake hail hail

Will the party be for our title win or for the birth of anew club called maybe govan united

What is your party for? Managing to find the funds to reach the end of the season? Nobody cares who wins the SPL this season? I think you will find that our support do, and why shouldn't we as it has been won fair and square without the need for two decades of cheating.
What exactly do you think has changed at Ibrox over the last 24hrs? The only change at the present time is that you will not go out of buisness in the imediate future. Rangers now face a long period of austerity no matter who takes over. Enjoy your party.

Thanks very much for the invitation i will be delighted to attend.i will,of course,bring my own celebratory feast(we know you have not got the finance to lay on a spread)and look forward to attending the party.As this may be the last time we meet in the asbestos arena i can assure you we will provide a spectacle for the watching millions.We will also give a huge send off to your major players as we all know where they are heading in the summer. might we ask one small thing? please ask your manager to make a game of it. yours in sport. A Tim The craig Whyte Celtic Supporters Club

It would have been kinder to let them die now but the good old administrators are administering death by a thousand cuts.

What will 2012 be remembered for in Scottish football? The year the most successful club went into administration or the year Celtic won the league by default. Tainted title.

10 Mar 2012 10:08:08
Delighted with the revalations of the past couple of days. Not saying were out the myre, but I think all the horrors are out now so now we can put all our resources to solve them.Hmrc agreeing to work with the club if whyte not involved must be a worry off any new board which I have no doubt will be formed soon.
In my view our club must take its time over the next few months to ensure this can never happen again a strong representation on the board of fans preferably with a 51% majority share on the new board.
Also we must get the ground set for the future of the club ,I would like our club to instigate a enquiry club run with people who can sort out our youth policy to set it up so that it is feeding our reserves first and going on to the full team,we are also have to face to stay healthy we will have to sell some of our homegrown talent when the time is right to obtain maximum transfer value, this should not be a problem with our support because if our youth policy is set up there should hopefully be a promising youth ready to step in.Barcelona do this every team of there's from 8 to full team play the same way.
A panel of ex players, coaches, and others could conduct this investigation on our youth set up and hopefully the club would implement there recommendations.
I feel our future has to be made from players who have come through the ranks with three or four quality and I mean top quality to bring them on to there full potential.

Have you not been doing this, thats what murray park was boasted for doing ya turnip.............. lots of love from a united fan

Err,there is no reserve team!

Thats why I would like some form of think tank in place as I dont believe we are concentrating on the sourcing and development of the youths who go to Murray park,btw using insults does not surprise me obviously not very bright as cannot understand the original post. United fan that what you Tim's are calling yourselves now classic now jog on son adults speaking

Ure spot on mate need to set up an academy starting from 6year olds and up. as for the united fan murry park is not an academy its a traning ground

You have no money to start any thing up

10 Mar 2012 09:38:33
A week is supposedly a long time in politics, well it's a lifetime if your a Rangers supporter just now. Yesterday was the first day I've felt positive about our club for a few weeks and fear of liquidation seems to be subsiding. 

However, we are still in intensive care and could probably be described as critical but stable at the moment. 

Never forget the last four weeks and never forget those who happily put the boot in during our pain. 

Even when the long road back to successful times has been travelled, never forget those who hindered our path and wished our failure. 

BFH

10 Mar 2012 09:22:29
So.....the players have agreed to wage cuts to save them from widespread redundancies. Duff and Phleps have now stated thay they have met the £1,000,000 per month in wage cuts.
Now something doesn't quite add up and here's why;
There are 32 players in the squad so divide the £1 million by 32 and it comes to £31250 so this means that every player on average would have been on £31250 and would have had to take a 100% wage cut to be able to come to £1 million.

It is obvious to see that nowhere near the £1 million savings have been made and rather it is the admins creating a little breathing space by saving a little cash in the short term and keeping the squad together as a more attractive sell to a potential buyer. Paul Murray and his consortium will fail with their takeover because they are relying on an agreement of a CVA which HMRC will refuse and it also relies on David Murray footing the big tax bill or for HMRC to agree to a plan for Time To Pay. Neither of these things are going to happen.

It may seem that things are looking brighter but unless there is someone with unlimited funds willing to take over the club with no return on investment then it will be liquidation. If, and I firmly believe that the Paul Murray's takeover fails, Duff and Phelps will then call in the receivers. {Ed001's Note - have you thought that it might also include appearance fees? If the players have also agreed to waive those, that would be a very significant saving, most players will get 4 figure sums per appearance.}

I think you have done your sums a little bit wrong m8.It's £250,000 per week they need to save.The big 4+Ally no wages +Durant +McDowell will add up to at least £150,000 per month.

He hasn't thought of that ed, to busy playing with his calculator mate
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - there are goal scoring bonuses, clean sheet bonuses and numerous other performance related bonuses that the players can waive. If they have agreed to defer or waive those, as I believe they did, that is a variable figure, but on average it could easily be worth 50k a game over the course of a season. 4 games a month, on average, that would be 200k right there, before you even start on their actual wages. At the end of the season, in particular, it would be worth more, due to players being close to bonuses triggered by things such as a goals scored threshold or appearances made threshold.}

The coaching staff have took wage cuts an i THINK ally isnt taking a wage till end of season yer a moron mate


TB

It's all money, money, money , I bet there was a time when these boys actually PAID TO PLAY, not payed FOR playing, my ametuar teams 3£ a head if everyone turns up an thats the ref an pitch covered
PaulRFC

End of season is where the problems can start again then

Sorry ed should have said £150,000 per week. {Ed001's Note - I realised you must have meant that, but I didn't want to edit it in case you actually did mean 150k a month!}

"Sorry ed should have said £150,000 per week. {Ed001's Note - I realised you must have meant that, but I didn't want to edit it in case you actually did mean 150k a month!}"

150k per week by Ally and the other coaching staff taking cuts. Are you serious you plum?
Ally is reported as having a £1million a year contract, that's just under £20000 per week yet you say that they will be saving 150K per week? {Ed001's Note - he did say the big 4 earners + coaching staff pay cuts.}

10 Mar 2012 08:48:01
Just been reading the result regarding Dave King in the Daily Express re Fit and Proper person.

"King�s problem lies with article 10.2 section J � which states anyone involved in a club which enters an insolvency process within the past five years cannot be named as a director or official of a member club".

This would then surely apply to Paul Murray too as he was on the board until May 2011 when he and Alistair Johnson were removed.

Rangers aren't in an insolvency process though.

The conspiracy theorists are out the shell already I see.........

TTG

Paul murray wasnt a director when we entered admin

People shouldn't believe the news media, 99% is made up guff.

10 Mar 2012 08:42:12
About this AEG thing. I doubt a company that size would want us. but then again a company that size can push our tv money out with the uk. deals in other countries. However thats just wishfull thinking. I do think they might be interested in Ibrox its self. possibly giving us a lift time lease. they own the stadium. they call it what they want use it for there own purposes aswell as ours. So we kinda share the ground. It would generate alot of money at the start.
Don

But we would kinda want them to own us mate, as you said if they sell the stadium and call it what they like, then atleast we would see some f the money but we don't if they are just owners of the stadium am i right ed? (LOYAL BEAR) {Ed001's Note - yeah, if they just buy the stadium, Rangers then have to either rent it or another stadium.}

10 Mar 2012 02:03:58
here are rules of a newco if a former director takes over a liquidated company
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/nimmanual/nim12204.htm

What a surprise - Rangers fans disagreeing with HMRC ;)

10 Mar 2012 01:37:58
http://www.ticketus.co.uk/

Here is the Ticketus/Paul Murray statements

Dennybear

And what happens if the administrators don't get a agreement for a CVA.

We go under then

10 Mar 2012 00:57:38
IF YOU DON'T WANT WHYTE BACK WEAR RED AND BLACK!!...

www.redblackrangers.com c'mon bears lets get buying these scarfs and show the wee r@t faced **** we dont want him anywhere back near our club...W.A.T.P.. Billy the bear..

I love CELTIC but dont cost yourselves any more money put it to your club ware your blue strip and put on the back f*** white help club save money b

Just got 2

Wheres the money going?

Everybody will look like dennis the menace lol, can i just ask? why those colours? why not just wear all red scarfs? too late though lol. ( LOYAL BEAR)

10 Mar 2012 00:30:15
we are both as bad as each other so listing to the rest of the spl and scotland we really need to change we can hate each other for 90 mins the get on with life b

09 Mar 2012 23:59:08
i heard from a very reliable source that a billionaire from motherwell was about to launch a bid for the club. and he will rename the club poundland.

I'm sure I reed this so called joke weeks ago on here, is it meant to be funny?