Rangers Banter Archive January 10 2017

10 Jan 2017 21:35:59
Thought of the day.

Would it have been a bad thing if Ashley had taken control of Rangers.

Hes got deeper pockets then DK.

Ashley would have put money where is mouth is i think.

Don't shoot me guys i'm just thinking out loud.

if DK doesn't have the money or wish to put more in then i say go.
i still think he's trying to recoup his £20m he lost.

10 Jan 2017 21:43:18
Ashley has received stick for years at at Newcastle for not forking out the money he has &C as for DK he won't spend big until fat mike is out the picture cause it's too big a leap of faith, once he's gone I think we will see money finally being put in

10 Jan 2017 21:45:27
DK is probably £30-35m in total down on his Rangers dealings over the years as we stand today. There is currently no realistic opportunity to recover what he has spent. Please tell me how we will make any money from a club with no revenue stream and no one to buy his shares. The share price has been 27p for the last 18 months

10 Jan 2017 21:43:13
How is he going to recoup his 20 million we are skint. Ask newcastle has ashley put his money were is mouth is. Only this season has he spent money. Are ask the poor people who work for sports direct if ashleys is a good boss

10 Jan 2017 23:14:28
Recoup it from where exactly Punter? Apart from season ticket sales there is no access to a major revenue stream. No European football means very little sponsorship money, no larger tv or prize money and we have no merchandising money to speak of. let's say Wallace and Garner are on 10K a week (just for talking sake) those 2 players are costing over 1 million accross 52 week contract. Now add up the rest of the first team, development squad, youth teams, coaches, physios, kit men, groundsmen, scouts, dinnerladies, security, travel costs, players accomodation etc. Not to mention running costs of Ibrox and Murray Park and Matchday expenses. So yes I don't like where we are financially compared to Celtic at the min but it grates on me when people say King etc haven't spent any money in the club. There's more to investing in the club and getting it back on its feet than transfer fees.

11 Jan 2017 01:33:12
Parky. add up what king "ect" has put in. "Ect" more than king you'll find. The question was about king v ashley though. King aquired rangers and also crippled the club by his actions.

I'd actually like anyone to pick apart every piece of account data that is actually available. Add soft loans, season tickets and the wee cut of any merch, fan donations etc. Line that up against posted losses and the difference may be your figure. I might be wrong but has DK ever said exactly what he personally has spent since taking over till now? He hasn't in my mind but I may of missed it. There are hoards of fans screaming for his head for not spending a penny and to my eyes he hasn't and hasn't replied or publicly defended himself with a counter quote or any real sum of money.

Do some extensive reading on how he aquired rangers. How he encouraged starvation of ticket sales and encouraged the company to be delisted, sorry for a nomad to be brought in. His failed alleged search for a nomad was nothing more than smoke and mirrors. For a guy that is an international business man you and many others have been sold down the river by him doing "ooh a didnae know that wiz gonnae happen" routine.
Wake up

11 Jan 2017 01:47:08
Mols
30-35m over the years down? He was ment to of been a 20m investor back in the day. Do you honestly think he made nothing? I'd say he made a stack through loophole accountancy. Or when things started to go wrong murray kept quiet and threw him under a 20m pound bus? Take your pick.

11 Jan 2017 06:20:36
I'm not 100% about this but I don't remember Ashley ever being interested in actually owning Rangers.

11 Jan 2017 06:55:10
Parky, the last two agm's he's tried to bring in new share issues but failed, that could be a way of getting some of the £20m back.


For a chairman that's absent 90% of the time he's failed to live up in my book.
He just told us what we all wanted to hear when he was taking over.
Smokin mirrors.

As for Ashley we will never know what could have been. Ashley aligned himself with some dead beats that was his mistake ie green etc

11 Jan 2017 08:06:53
Rglen8

I like you have no conclusive proof for my opinions, but have read extensively on al aspects of Rangers ownership since Craig Whyte set the pressed the button for destruction.

I do honestly think that DK has made nothing from Rangers to recover his original investment and his more recent investments.

As you put it I think he was thrown under the £20m bus. As I have noted on this pages a number of times where is the evidence of his mechanism for return on investment through accountancy loophole or otherwise

The same cannot be said about CG or MA who have creamed of between them millions from a Rangers over the last 4 years. There is definite proof of that

11 Jan 2017 08:09:29
Ashley doesn't invest in teams, he loans them money. or that is what I'm lead to believe. he hasn' actually invested money into Newcastle, instead he loans it and gets it back, eventually. I'm sure newcastle are in 100m+ debt to him.

11 Jan 2017 08:12:55
Ask a Newcastle fan - remember they are/ were milking the fans.

Otherwise who are you Punter? Ashley or his agent?

11 Jan 2017 08:18:52
Are you Derek lambias? Mike Ashley is scum, lowest of the low. Even if he didn't have money he would still be a class a ****. Do we really want a man like that? Remember how he screwed us with the 5 loans?

11 Jan 2017 08:28:44
Onlyshowaround

I agree completely All of the clubs in England are in huge debt but are slowly clawing it back through the sky deal. Celtic are the only exception as through good management, timing and a slice of luck are probably one of the only clubs who are essentially debt free.

11 Jan 2017 08:33:42
Ashley is a clever businessman who sails close to the wind on most of his deals. Just look at the shoddy way he treats his employees at Sports Direct. He saw an opportunity when the 'alleged' crooks were running the show at Rangers and he took it. The contracts put in place before he lost control look dubious at best but by the looks of things it will take most of the six years remaining on the notice period before he is sorted out in Court.

There are other questions to be asked, in particular regarding his 'dual control' over Newcastle and Rangers. I have to ask the question, why has the English FA not taken action or is it simply that they are hoping Newcastle return immediately to the EPL and their problem goes away.

None of this as pact of the current shambles has anything to do with King albeit that I do not believe a word of what he says in terms of transfer funding.

We are where we are and the most frustrating thing for me remains, that the man that initially conned the support has pretty much walked away without any action taken against him. David Murray, in cahoots with Bank of Scotland, knew exactly what was being done when the Club was handed over to Craig Whyte who just happened to be another client of the Bank. Even a half intelligent Risk Manager would have seen that Whyte did not have the wherewithal to acquire Rangers never mind a captain of Industry and the expert Bankers within the BoS. For me it was all a scam from day one! Of course the Establishment in Scotland will neatly brush any wrong doings under the carpet just as they have done in the past with other football scandals!

11 Jan 2017 08:56:14
If Ashley was interested in making Rangers a force again why did he and his mates on the board at the time agree to the kit deal if the success of the club was important to him would it not have been better to have a contract which at least put some money back into it instead of taking every penny he could get how can King get his money back since we were relegated to the bottom tier of the league we have lost money year on year so instead of taking any money out he is part of a board that are putting money in just to keep the lights on no individual or group will invest in us with the fat man strangling the life out of the club this will continue for the six years that are remaining on these fat man contracts so it pains me to admit it but I can't see how we can stop Celtic getting to ten in a row or even eleven twelve or more we just have not got the money to compete unless we are hugely lucky in transfers or we can pick up top class young players and turn them into top class players we have full houses every home game our only source of income and that is not enough to break even we are paying a fortune to fight in the courts to try and turn these Ashley contracts into a deal that at least gives the club some money I was at shareholders meeting and they tried to get a share issue passed where they didn't have to offer shares to all existing shareholders so if it had been passed Ashley and that pair from Greenock who backed the old board and Ashley would have not been offered shares the diluting their grip on the club but that didn't get enough votes so we are stuck in this mess at least till next years AGM then I hope it gets passed

11 Jan 2017 09:42:43
Thinkaboutit

Didn't get enough votes due to a so called club legend not bothering to vote

11 Jan 2017 09:53:15
that's not even a debate!
king has done nothing but try to get us out of a crippling contract with Ashley and Ashley is bleeding us dry .

one trying to save us and one trying to end us hmmmmm I wonder which one i'd rather have in charge!

"IDIOTS"

11 Jan 2017 09:56:21
Stewie25
Yes that was a strange decision only he can explain that it's two years in a row the motion has been defeated last time by less that 1% but it pains me that some fans still see Ashley as a possible saviour when he is up there with the people who have taken the lions share out of our club at the old firm game as we come in from opposite end I had to pass the Sports Direct shop (£1 a year rent yes he has our interests at heart) and still fans were in it buying kit why don't they just pop £50 in an envelope and send it to The Fat Man care of Newcastle FC that's who gets the profit from the sale not us

11 Jan 2017 13:16:19
Perhaps McCoist is still on Ashley's payroll! You never know, Ally seems to like money more than anything except the women!

11 Jan 2017 15:26:52
Ranger and cee.

im just a concerned Rangers fan nothing more. plus i like to think-out loud lol

11 Jan 2017 18:54:41
Punter if you believe that King could take 20 million out if a share issue then you are clueless. Also, the board have successfully passed resolutions at the last 2 AGMs for a share issue. What they have failed twice at however, is a resolution to have a share issue offered first of all exclusively to new investors. Thus trying to exclude the likes of Ashley and Easdale and so dilute their shareholdings in the company and so their influence when it comes to voting rights.
We know exactly what Ashely would be like as an owner. Look at Newcastle Utd. No investment, but loans that he is owed back to the tune of close to 130m. St. JAMES Park is festooned with Sports Direct advertising that he doesn't pay the going rate for. Look at how he treats his workers at his companies. Rangers is more than Football Players. There are people there on normal wages with everyday mortgages and bills to pay. Do you think they would like this man as their boss? Henis a business man who is out for himself. He is not an idiot so your comment of 'he aligned himself with dead beats' is a rediculous one. He knows exactly what he is doing every step of the way with his dealings with our club and none of it has Rangers best interests at heart.

11 Jan 2017 19:40:51
Ok rglen8. In May '15 King through his Company New Oasis Asset Ltd loaned the club £1.5m. In December '15 a further £3m loan facilty was made available to the club by New Oasis of which £2.2 was drawn down. The remaining £0.8 credit remained available to the club. that's an interest free loan of £4.5m that King has made available to the club.
Also on March '15 Douglas Park, John Bennet and Paul Murray made a loan totalling £0.75m between them available. In December '15 they made a further loan of £1.7m between them available to the club. that's £2.45m between the 3 of them.
Also in March '15 George Letham, George Taylor, Andrew Ross, Barry Scott and Scott Murdoch made a loan totalling £1.5m between them available.
In December '15 the same 5 men made a loan totalling £2.375 between them available to the club. that's £3.875m between 5 men.
So 8 men have loaned the club a total of £6.325m between them. King has loaned the club £4.5m himself. So you are right, the 8 'etc' have loaned slightly more than the single King.

11 Jan 2017 22:21:38
Parky no need to get personnel ie clueless comment. i never said i was in the know . just thinking out loud maybe this maybe that.

You seem to be very pro King!

Perhaps if he talked to the fans more then he would get more support.
DK can't tell us everything, but least engage with us.
Ie tell us how it is with regards to the current transfer window tell us the cold hard truth.

11 Jan 2017 23:08:15
Punter what I meant was that it was a clueless comment to suggest that our Chairman would take money out of any share issue for his own pocket. I am pro King and Murray and the rest in respect of the people who were in control of our club before. People who did take money out the club by various different methods. I acknowledge that King has made some dubious comments, like front load investing, mentioning £30m and his childrens inheritance. However he and the other investors/ directors have made millions available to the club to try and get us back on an even keel. It annoys me when people only equate transfer kitty as investment in the club (i'm not saying you are one of those people) and say that King etc have not spent any money. Well they have. He may not be the long term answer for our club but he is better than what we have had in the recent past. Sorry for any offence.

11 Jan 2017 22:02:05
Ashley in charge with lambias and the sleezdales, give me strength. Where were you two years ago punter? When I read your post I thought surely that's a wind up and you must be a celtic fan doing a bit of fishing. Anyway that's my bite😩

12 Jan 2017 08:31:48
Onlyshowaround you've hit the nail in the head mate! that's exactly what mike ashley does! I've got a good few pals who are newcastle to the core and they tell me exactly the same as you put it! Maybe with the exception of this season with rafa as manager now! My geordie pals despise him just like we despise him! Newcastle as i've stated on here many times, are my favourite english club and he will never put me off liking newcastle utd or the geordie fans! In saying i only have and ever will support ONE football club, THE FAMOUS GLASGOW RANGERS! My focus will always be on them and hope we/ dave king can find a way of getting rid of mike ashley for good! Then get back to selling and making millions from our kit sales, with the money going directly into the club!

10 Jan 2017 21:06:18
Is Total out of contract at end of season

10 Jan 2017 21:24:21
Sure is could be ours gor 250k if arsenal offer him new contract

10 Jan 2017 17:49:15
I think Rangers should make a move for northern Ireland pair Craig Cathcart and Garth McCauley, Cathcart out of Watford 1st team n McCauley in last 6 months of his contract I'd also seriously think of putting in a bid for Jason Cummings and Patterson of hearts

10 Jan 2017 18:24:07
Could their be anything worse than mcauley and hill at the back? Cummings would be a great buy but Patterson is out for 9 months

10 Jan 2017 18:31:56
Mccauley is still putting in quality performances each week but he is 37 so can't see him going on much longer! Cathcart is a shout good experience and still mid 20s! Not a great fan of either cummings or patterson

{Ed001's Note - Cathcart has been injured most of the season, but played 5 of the 6 matches since returning to fitness. He is certainly not 'out of Watford 1st team'.}

10 Jan 2017 19:13:13
Why are we always seeing it suggested that we go for Northern Ireland players. As a team and with an excellent manager they do play well but individually the majority of their players are ordinary.

As for Patterson he is out for nine months and there is absolutely no guarantee that he will be as good a player when he returns.

Jason Cummings, not for me.

10 Jan 2017 19:25:40
Ordinary? We are a better team than Scotland anyway. Michael O'Neil was in the league of Ireland before he got job. So I'd hardly call him an excellent manager. And for the record mccauley is better than any defender playing in Scotland.

10 Jan 2017 19:37:54
Dont knock McCauley i think he's scored 4 goals in the prem this season! Lol not bad for 37 yr old

10 Jan 2017 19:38:02
Cathcart is way above what we can afford, however he is a quality player. Gareth McAuley would be the best defender in Scotland by a country mile. Who ever said McAuley and Hill would be a bad pairing for us needs to lay of the buckfast!

10 Jan 2017 20:54:09
Cummings would also be a terrible buy!

10 Jan 2017 20:56:12
Would be the worst pairing in football history so slow the pair of them. Northern Ireland are poor and certainly not as good as Scotland just because they had the easiest group of everybody doesn't make them good.

10 Jan 2017 22:02:33
Cee your having a laugh. Scotland is twice the size of northern ireland and we our still higher up the rankings than Scotland and have been for years. Scotland are the worst side in the British Isles. Especially there defence. Not 1 of there defenders would get in the northern ireland team and stevie davis is in a different class than any midfielder you have. And even the much maligned kyle lafferty has scored more international goals than all your forwards put together l.

10 Jan 2017 22:29:33
Given the players that both Northern Ireland and the ROI have and how well both teams play, surely a United Football Team, just like the Rugby, would give both countries the opportunity to put together a team that would be on a par or better than England!

I won't include Scotland in the discussion since it is a long time since they had any top quality players!

Goodness, even the USA has better players these days!

10 Jan 2017 22:46:58
Was big Davy Wier slow? Was big Davy Wier good for us? Is John Terry slow? Enough said! U don't have to be a flying machine to play centre half if you can read the game well, make good decisions, be aggressive and attack the ball well etc. McAuley very very good at these things. Clint Hill is not bad at these things either and has probably been our best centre half this season

11 Jan 2017 08:37:59
Davie Weir and John Terry were top class football players that played in significantly better teams than we see at Rangers today. McAuley looks top drawer in the N. Ireland team but I fear like others, and I include Clint Hill and even Wilson and Kiernan, he would be hung out to dry playing behind Halliday. Yes, he would improve our defence but until we have a quality Holding Midfield player / defensive midfield player of quality the defence will be at risk and this is a position that Warburton has failed miserably to fill.

11 Jan 2017 10:02:01
MCAULEY is a top player but i'd like to build for the future and buying 37 year olds isn't going to help with that the northern Ireland team isn't much better than Scotland they just have a better manager sake i'd be better than Strachan.
wouldn't be picking the likes of the two fletchers for a start

10 Jan 2017 13:00:01
Surely if we were wanting berahino then we would of made a move by now.

10 Jan 2017 15:00:33
Who is to say we haven't? besides, chances are this was paper talk, it has been a rather boring week, we need something to talk about.

10 Jan 2017 19:23:28
Really? Anyone decent to rangers will not be happening any time soon. Why not be realistic rather than being ridiculous

10 Jan 2017 12:08:49
i keep reading posts criticising King etc but does nobody realise that until Ashley has been despatched to the waste bin, nothing great will happen. He is holding us to ransom and until THAT ransom is paid off in full, he will continue to destroy our club. The priority must be to pay this guy of NOW and then and only then, we can see some light at the end of a very dark tunnel, so let's just remember its not just a football team that King and Co are running, it's a business that is still in intensive care and has a long struggle ahead until we take care of the Ashley problem

10 Jan 2017 12:37:13
well said wee bill I for one have a brain in between these ears but can't for the life of me understand the rangers fans that expect king and co to put up their own money when we can't make a profit while the fat rat holds all the cards

10 Jan 2017 13:44:37
The Three Bears and the Two Far East Rangers fans have given significant funds to the Club by way of Soft Loans. King on the other hand has been full of bull and is potentially only making matters worse in his personal battle with Ashley.

The Ashley scenario is a perfect excuse for King not to part with any cash and for me he is just another David Murray. Glad to have everyone else funds invested in the club other than his own!

I am not a fan of Ashley, far from it but that doesn't mean that I need to be a fan of King!

10 Jan 2017 13:57:04
Pay him how much off now, the full value of dodgy deals agreed by members of the old board who may have had conflict of interest that are subject of litigation.

10 Jan 2017 14:36:32
Anyone who reads my posts will know I'm a big fan of our board, but I would not give Ashley a pay off, that has took a small fortune from us, and will keep taking off us, our only hope is we beat him in court this case is up very soon, as for Dave King I don't know if he will pump major funds into the club, all I know is major funds will not be invested while Ashley still has a grip on Rangers, so bottom line is we must beat Ashley in court by proving the contracts he got from the old board were not at market value and the old board did not act in rangers best interests as the only person who benefited from them was themselves and Ashley, fingers crossed the judge will see this. but as I said major funds will not be invested while Ashley and co are still there taking money out the club.

10 Jan 2017 15:48:00
Good post Delboy and let's hope that the Court Case goes in our favour. As for King I remain sceptical that King will invest any significant amount in to the Club but equally I believe that there could be other serious players interested should King be unable or unwilling to make the Investment necessary to get the club back to the top.

Given the size of our support worldwide there are significant opportunities if we have the right people in charge both on and off the Park!

10 Jan 2017 16:58:57
Agreed tom, I'm also sceptical regarding King, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt until Ashley is removed, then I, ll judge him on what investment he makes, but I'm still glad he's in power because I would hate to think were we would be if they never removed Ashley and co. but your right there is investors there but money won't be put into the club until Ashley and co are gone for good. god knows how long that will be though.

10 Jan 2017 17:14:54
Agree Dellboy, we need to get Ashley out first before judging King. King and the current Board have provided much needed stability and support during a very difficult period in our history.

10 Jan 2017 11:32:15
If we got rid of tav senderos moh and released kranjcar plus with the money we have from Barton's contract surely we would be able to afford a top players wages if we get them on a pre contract

10 Jan 2017 12:09:04
One top player is less than what's needed, although a step in the right direction.

10 Jan 2017 12:49:12
still wouldn't get rid of tav I think he will prove to be a great asset for the club and one we have better quality in the cb position then he will shine still think rob Kiernan and hill and Wilson and senderos are nowhere near the quality we need hill being the best of the bunch

10 Jan 2017 13:11:28
James what are you on mate it's tav who makes the defence bad kiernan was solid with wee hodgson beside him

10 Jan 2017 14:24:59
Spot on bear, it was tavs fault we lost the 2nd goal against Celtic Kiernan was screaming at him for not doing his job by not picking up Sinclair, he has been at fault for a few goals, and your right Kiernan has looked much better beside hill, I would play hodson every week, wether that means pushing tav forward or dropping him I don't know, but hodson must play

11 Jan 2017 16:56:53
How many times have some of our fans to be told that we know tavernier isn't a defender! He's playing in a system warbs wants him to play which is very attack minded! We all know he's an attacking right wing-back! I certainly wouldn't get rid of him as i agree with james stirling 100%! In the advanced attacking role that warbs has him playing he creates chances for our forwards! Put it this way if we had a better defensive mid and better and quicker centre halfs we wouldn't be talking about tavs defensive deficiencies because in the system with the correct players that would be sorted out! Try and understand guys!

10 Jan 2017 10:30:49
Not sure if RTV are showing the friendly with leipzig, but just noticed premier sports are broadcasting it from 2.25 Sunday so should be able to pick it up through many of the decent streams.

10 Jan 2017 11:42:03
I thought we were playing them on Saturday mate

10 Jan 2017 12:31:42
2.30pm Sunday

10 Jan 2017 14:19:20
Cheers guys I thought it was Saturday we were playing red bull

10 Jan 2017 08:54:33
With Hyndman signed and hopefully Toral too, we've a chance to revamp our midfield and freshen things up. With Rossiter due back it will be like a new signing too. How about a midfield four of:
Rossiter, Hyndman, Toral, Windass?

Resting Halliday and Holt might do them good. We've been unlucky with the Barton fiasco and Kranjcar's injury and injuries to Crooks and Windass too. Maybe our luck will change in 2017.

10 Jan 2017 09:40:12
As I've said on here many times before. A lot of our midfield problems can be solved very easily, and by one man. Barrie Mckay.

10 Jan 2017 10:03:00
Midfield problems solved by Barrie?

10 Jan 2017 10:30:12
A lot of them aye. Creativity, forward thinking, pace. he's already shown he can be a number 10 and currently he's better than what is in there

10 Jan 2017 10:38:51
Got to agree Bryan, I've been saying for ages mate that the creative mid we need is right under our noses and the management can't see it. the 2nd half of the dhims game he sould have bn put in ther when Brenda doubled up on him and warbs left him out ther to dry

10 Jan 2017 10:42:26
Totally agree Bryan. Mckay would be terrific in that role and have thought that for a long time.

10 Jan 2017 11:11:13
Yeah I fancy him in number 10 role but at same time we need strong holding player to compliment him

10 Jan 2017 11:42:10
Who plays wide if Barry moved inwards? Are we switching to 4-4-2 with a diamond? I actually think that would be very effective.

10 Jan 2017 12:20:00
Joe dodoo can play out there. As can moh and waggy. Whether any of them are here come january is another matter.

11 Jan 2017 09:16:23
Doiger, that looks a very good midfield quartet mate, but we all know warbs will play 3 in there! So 3 from the 4 you said plus a front 3 of miller, berahino, mckay for the remainder of the season would do me! lol! If only mate!

11 Jan 2017 09:41:47
A bit of an optimistic post. We're more likely to hear at the end of the winter break that Rossiter is 10 days away from rejoining training.