Rangers Banter Archive December 10 2018
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10 Dec 2018 21:18:07
Right how about we play katic and develop him instead of Wirral who will go back to Forrest, yet to see worrall win a header in opponents box and is he any better than our own player? No really! Why don't we try mccrorie in the engine room again he works hard and capable of scoring a goal unlike jack. I think jack is OK for some games but not offensive enough. Talk about shankland, yes good goal ratio but I've seen him and think he's Boyd like and could score goals but struggle with other parts of the game. why not develop one of our own young upstarts?
10 Dec 2018 22:47:03
How about throwing young Dallas on the bench now and then and maybe give home some minutes?
11 Dec 2018 09:54:02
Cant work out why Dallas wasnt on the bench on Sunday. let's be honest we did think we would beat them. I think that's why the Dundee game is harder to take than the dons game, I know that's cocky but Look where they are in the league. I really thought we would have had that game won by half time. And it would have been a perfect chance to put Dallas on. He could easily have taken Coulibays place on the bench as he maybe needs dropped for a game or two. Still can't work out why goldson and worrall were swapped sides in defence, what did he think that would do. Seems like he is trying everything to make sure he plays them together. That was never going to be a master stroke. The one thing I think could be is dropping Morelos to a no.10 with laffery up front, just got that feeling about him there.
10 Dec 2018 18:38:43
now we are looking at GILLINGHAM striker, 13 goals in 17 games, yet everyone on here bad mouths me for even suggesting AYR UTD striker Shankland, 42 goals in 45 games? one is a Rangers fan and a bargain, the other is an un-known.
Gillingham? Stevie go to specsavers, then look at how much you have spent on un-knowns so far. Shankland WOULD get us goals, that's for sure, and he has a great discipline record too.
Who knows what or who Tom Eaves is? a lower league nothing, like some of the past mistakes we brought in under Warburton, Caixina, Murty, catch yourself on mate or you will end up another ex Rangers boss, your slip is showing a bit already with your chop, change, change again, etc.
10 Dec 2018 18:56:00
Ritchie 1,the striker we should have signed instead of kyle lafferty is louis moult. This guy had a 1 in 2 scoring ratio with motherwell. God knows how many he'd have scored for us? I wanted us to sign louis moult when both warburton and caixhina were our managers. Moult IMHO, would score a very good ratio of goals for us! Moult as far as i'm concerned is a better striker than lafferty!
10 Dec 2018 19:43:10
Nope sorry coop . Moult is gash . Would rather take the boy from ayr, give him a go and see what happens. It's obvious we need cover for morelos. Lafferty will run and run but need an end product. This boy with the chances we should provide forwards with looks like the answer.
10 Dec 2018 20:21:36
Glad to see you have such an open mind Ritchie. I've idea why your getting so frustrated. Am sure we look at lots of players. Maybe we'll sign that boy from Gillingham, maybe we'll sign shankland. I'd like to see one of our young lads given a try. Whoever we sign I'll give them my support.
10 Dec 2018 20:21:42
Aye moult is gash! At motherwell and playing in the spfl he certainly wasn't gash! In fact his record with motherwell was superb! You tell me what's gash about his scoring exploits at motherwell? Moult is a far better option than lafferty for me!
10 Dec 2018 20:49:48
Lafferty has been a big let down on the field and off the field. he clearly doesn't suit gerrards type of play. i'd have taken moult over lafferty we still can get moult in january and shankland wouldn't cost the earth. in my eyes more competition for strikers role. wheel and deal mr allen players here need moving on pronto.
10 Dec 2018 20:52:19
The guy from Gillingham is 26 and has played around the lower leagues, last team was Yeovil and they got rid of him surely we could do better? Even bring Doodo back, or blood a youngster, like Dallas maybe.
10 Dec 2018 21:35:47
Have to agree with Supercooper Moult isn’t gash. He scored plenty of goals and terrorised Celtic on a few occasions. He would do a job for us and is better than Lafferty.
11 Dec 2018 07:33:44
I personally wanted Rangers to sign Moult when he was set to leave Motherwell. He knows where the goal is, has played in the SPL fast paced environment and his scoring ratio was outstanding. He also plays with a physical aggression that puts defenders under pressure throughout a game, so I would have no hesitation in bringing him in.
13 Dec 2018 17:02:59
Lafferty has never been very good he is full of effort but has no real natural ability whatsoever.
10 Dec 2018 17:46:14
Don't want to start making scapegoats for bad form but for me the biggest mistake Gerrard has made so far has been making Tab the captain. A captain needs to be sound in his position and I just don't think Tav is. He has caused a few goals against us this season and we basically play with 3 defenders every week. Big Goldson or Shags are better candidates IMO.
10 Dec 2018 18:03:14
Shagger.
10 Dec 2018 19:46:47
Tav is a disgrace of a captain! He costs goals is always out of position and pulls the faces make the soundbites but he Is never a rangers captain . Put goldson and katic together as a solid partnership and then in time give goldson the armband. Other than that my vote is definitely Shagger could see him raging on Sunday with what was going on in front of him.
11 Dec 2018 00:22:37
So changing the captain would have turned all the bad results into victories? That's some fantasy utopia you are living in!
P. S. I take it you've forgotten all Tavs goals and assists for a right back?
10 Dec 2018 17:27:22
Worrel is a disaster I hope he goes back to Forrest, we play as if we knock the ball back and across the field we will win games movement from players is bad 1st half yesterday was ok until Kent went off we need players to take on people and that can put a decent ball in the box we don't seem hungry enough I don't no what motavtion is need we could've been joint top but now we're behind again. 2 games in to december and we're struggling With harder games to come imo. I hate to see where we would be if we didn't have shagger.
10 Dec 2018 17:00:10
Anyone on here wanting gerrard sacked are off their head, last week we were top of the league and still with a chance of qualifying for the knockout stages of the europa league, a couple of bad results and everyone is losing there mind. Time to get behind the manager, it's easy to support a team when we are winning. The Tims love it when we are all fighting amongst each other, with a bit of solidarity we might get somewhere. In all honest if you look at the match on Sunday logically, we were without arguably our 2 best players and we also had a perfectly good goal chopped off, so even we played craap we still should have got the 3 points, but that's football.
10 Dec 2018 17:26:15
goph, are you suggesting its the fans fault for not supporting our team enough? Our new manager has no tactics at all and has signed some right mince. We had 45 minutes against 10 men to do something after gerrards half time team talk and all we did was lump the ball into their box and on the few occasions the ball made it the keeper just plucked it out of the air! How many shots did we have in that second half? I feel as if I'm watching the same guff as the previous few seasons. Last week we WERE top of the league so gerrard dismantled the defense, for no real reason, and rebuilt a worse one. None of the players are getting the rocket they deserve for lack of desire and that's unacceptable. The Gers fans were singing to the end yesterday but when the dust settles its time for the post mortem and players and manager will cop some stick.
10 Dec 2018 17:53:52
I'm most definitely in the Goph 1872 camp on this one. So i take it you're wanting steven gerrard sacked Jyf?
10 Dec 2018 18:34:24
I’ve not heard any serious talk about wanting rid of the manager. However I do agree with some points jyf makes the aimless balls into the box that either the keeper caught or their centre halves headed away was ridiculous. It was clear it wasn’t working but the players continued to do that. I also don’t know why no one tried some shots from outside the box. Do the players not practice shooting in training.
10 Dec 2018 18:46:51
I don’t think SG should be sacked but he shouldn’t be above criticism.
Compare the team now and at the beginning of the season. Aberdeen away we knocked the ball about, flew into tackles and looked really positive. 2nd half against Vienna again outstanding.
Coulibaly looked a driving force, Ejaria was going by players and although a little awkward looked as though he would be a bit of a player. Goldson and Katic looked solid, tav and Candias looked great on the right and Arfield looked as though he was score double figures. Left side was always a bit of a concern. No naturally left sided attacker but Middleton came in and done ok especially in Europe and Barisic looked to have potential in an attacking sense.
However since the Aberdeen semi final we have been way off the boil. Defence never the same. Goldson Katic and Worral are all lacking confidence, the captaincy looks too much for Tav, Flannigan at left back is a disaster, Grezda is truly awful, Candias and Middleton won’t go by the full backs, Coulibaly and Ejaria look like a shadow of the players they were and I’m sorted but Ryan Jack is and never will be good enough.
Something isn’t quite right st the minute and SG needs to sort it pronto or our season will be done before the beggars come to town.
10 Dec 2018 19:20:39
dont want stevie G to get the sack, think its ridiculous it being brought up. but its all the same posts with the same conclusions that need to be addressed. We either work the ball into the box or hit early crosses, which isn't working. things work in training but we need more in our arsenal than that. None of players attempt a shot from out the box they end up losing it working it wide and it comes to nothing. If we don't test the keeper were not going to score. Also loan signings like worral that has a clear contract of game time, katic and goldson were great together then came worral and their confidence dropped and worral is full of bad passes and if we play out of defence there is no point as worral can't pass. We play flannagan on the left when he would probably be better than tav on the right. we could even shift flannagan into defensive mid to cover tav when he makes an attacking run.
11 Dec 2018 00:23:09
@jyf - so no credit to Gerrard from you for getting us to the top of the league? But you are prepared to slate him for the last 2 results? Or getting us to the group stages as well? Short memories!
11 Dec 2018 06:49:17
UJ, super. I've said it before, Europe is a side show the league is the main event and the one i'm focused on . To say i'm critisising gerrard on the last two results is quite frankly daft and childish uj, maybe you don't get to many games I don't know but I've seen some utter rubbish served up this season some we've won by scraping through some we've drawn and some we have lost and the big two we never even turned up for the EXACT same as the last couple of seasons. I know what i'm watching. But how can I argue with posters that think good press conferences are as good as a win and posters that think moult is the answer to our striking problems. I'll support gerrard till the end but, on here, he is not above criticism.
13 Dec 2018 17:03:56
@jyf - of course the league is the priority. But I bet you would have been one of the first on here if we’d been put out in the early Europa qualifiers?
And if we are still in after Xmas it enhances the clubs reputation to potential signing targets.
P.S. you should revisit my post about press conferences and see my other reply. Nothing like taking it out of the correct context 👍.
13 Dec 2018 17:08:39
Jyf I respect your view, Europe is not a side show. It's where we generate significant money to move us forward
Without the money from Europe we can't improve our lot in the league.
All I hear is buy this guy and that guy, we need money to do hat.
10 Dec 2018 15:08:50
We need to stop making so many changes, we played well against Hearts and then made 4 changes, why, I understand one for the sending off but the others were not needed, we then make six yesterday, we need to get a settled back four who gel and know each others game, Goldson plays left of the centre pairing then right of pairing get it settled down. You can see the indecision at times and it is costing cheap goals.
10 Dec 2018 13:52:38
I will probably get slaughtered for saying this but would Pena if properly managed and able to get to full fitness be the answer to our problem linking midfield and attack I mean he got 5 goals in 14 games for us which isn't actually that bad. Obviously there is off the park issues with the guy but some great footballers have had off the park issues for example Gazza.
10 Dec 2018 16:55:11
Surprisingly I think you are right. Pena may just be that missing link to help Arfield secure a proper attacking midfield option. Both would be great I think together.
10 Dec 2018 18:36:08
He just didn’t look that interested and there isn’t much you can do with someone who isn’t interested.
10 Dec 2018 11:59:08
not that we need or want him, but where is Carlos Pena?
10 Dec 2018 13:24:29
Some things are better left unknown.
10 Dec 2018 14:57:59
get rid, pena, rossiter, ejeria, coulibaly, lafferty, worrel, tav not good enough for the famous blue shirt.
10 Dec 2018 15:30:28
How could you miss Grezda.
10 Dec 2018 15:50:29
I think he’ll probably get rid of most of those players mentioned Londonjock but not all at once, replacements sought first, would you agree?
10 Dec 2018 16:23:09
Coulibaly and Ejaria the big disappointments for me and the both of them won’t do for the Gers and have been found wanting 🇬🇧.
10 Dec 2018 18:22:49
Coulibaly is a mystery to me, at the beginning everyone was signing his praise and wanted Gerrard to sign him. an injury then suddenly he is posted missing. actually now i wish he wasnt in the team but where is the coulibaly who made such a statement at the beginning of the season. we need him back.
10 Dec 2018 18:24:56
grezda hasn't played enough, at least give him a run of games to see what he can do in his correct position.
10 Dec 2018 19:44:41
London you missed tav the so called captain.
10 Dec 2018 20:59:43
red hand of ulster, agreed mate its going to be so hard getting rid of dross easier said than done, who would take them? as fans we can see players who aren't up to standard. gerrard is making things hard for himself with selection, ejeria for the life of me. I've said before any thing over 5 million for tav snatch at it. there's positives in gerrards 6 mths but he has to wise up fast.
11 Dec 2018 00:16:23
Probably lying beside some fountain “ blocked “ or blowing his nose on a Rangers shirt . Think i’m Being too hard?
11 Dec 2018 00:16:22
I'd give grezda a proper chance before writing him off. Coulibaly, erja? Not for me. Think Docherty and mccrorie would at least show some desire/ effort.
10 Dec 2018 11:16:35
Maybe going out of Europe on Thursday would be the best thing for the team and SG can focus on one competition - the league!
10 Dec 2018 11:39:17
The thing is we will probaly turn up in midweek and get a result this is what seems to be happning with europe we raise our game for these matches.
But can not peform in leauge consistently i would say that is down to swapping and changing i team to much that has got to stop.
If we do get threw in midweek then money needs to be made available in jan for perment signings not loans to help the manager and players out as longer run in europe will only make our leauge form get worse if no players added in jan.
10 Dec 2018 13:10:01
Well said Craig.
10 Dec 2018 21:39:53
DOIGER
We need the extra cash Europe brings so getting knocked out on Thursday isn’t any sort of blessing.
10 Dec 2018 10:45:21
A lot of debate on here as to whether this is inept or a work in progress. The fact of the matter is that this time last year we had 30 points. So have we improved? Is that progress?
10 Dec 2018 18:24:52
how many points did the tims have last year at this point. teams are taking points off each other.
11 Dec 2018 00:11:09
Yes it’s progress.
Still in Europe.
Another overhaul of the playing squad was required. It’s not as if Gerrard had any foundations to start from.
But if you just want to look at it from a points to points basis then that is your prerogative. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture 👍.
10 Dec 2018 10:38:09
We were absolutely mince on Sunday and not for the first time.
We are an average team at best and had it not been for Shagger this season, we would be out of Europe and further behind the Dhims.
So long as we fill our team with loans and guys that cannot get into their own team we will continue to suffer. Just have a look at some of them.
Worrall, flanagan, Coulibaly, not good enough for their own team.
McAuley nobody wanted? Bambi whatshisname that cannot even get in our reserves. Not to mention the luxury type like Ejaria that only performs when it suits.
We need to develop our own rather than others and Sunday was an example. We had no back up striker on the bench when we have 2 youngsters scoring for fun but cannot get on the bench for a load of loan midfielders?
10 Dec 2018 10:48:28
Slim Jim, you are wrong about McCauley, Huddersfield and another bottom half EPL offered him a years contract. I thought he was doing ok at Rangers going by the posts, obviously you don’t rate him? Which is your entitlement.
10 Dec 2018 11:03:08
Think its time to give at least one of the youngsters a chance.
10 Dec 2018 11:46:58
A blind man can see squad is top heavy with average players. how many midfielders do we have I've lost count. We are screaming out for a player in steve davis mould get rid of the dross, free up wage bill, steve davis, lewis mcloed would be a vast improvement in a blue jersey. get rid of rossitter, coulibaly, ejeria, pena, lafferty, worrel, they offer nothing. if anybody bids 5 million or more for tav sell. we need a good jan transfer window to push on.
10 Dec 2018 12:07:48
Ulsterman, not so much i don't rate McAulay as he has been a good player, but he is now really a back up and when he plays it means we are chopping and changing each time.
10 Dec 2018 14:39:16
What’s the answer Slim Jim? Your points are valid but I think Stevie G. is trying to get decent players in on a shoestring, he needs half decent money for the players he’d like too bring in, sadly at this time it’s not there. In the long term I believe it’ll work out, “ has to “ too keep us all sane, I know an awful lot of Rangers guys over here who are pleased with what he’s done with little money. But you and guys like you in Scotland who see them more than us rural’s have a better idea of what’s required, so I for one am always interested in your after game views.
10 Dec 2018 15:46:27
Ulsterman, like many other bears, i wish i had the answer lol.
That said, i feel SG should have had a far more experienced 2nd than Gary Mac who does not seem to bring anything to the table.
We need to stop the constant changing/ rotation of players. Stevie has played in teams where this happens so natural for him to copy. Problem is that WE do not have enough quality players to get away with it as Liverpool had. Another point is that he "seems" to be a little blinkered with certain players he has brought in on loan.
As far as i am concerned, when you pay a 7 figure sum for players, then they should be starting before a loan player that we are schooling for other teams.
11 Dec 2018 00:12:26
Aye but as soon as the youngsters didn’t start scoring goals you would be on slating them as well.
We are a work in progress. It’s time people realised there isn’t a quick fix to the issues from the last couple of seasons.
10 Dec 2018 10:31:43
Simply the Best?
Simply not good enough!
The Sheep result was a bitter pill to swallow as they are Tom Kite but the Dundee result is a sore one to take.
From the second ball of the match that Worrell put straight out the park to numerous players over running the ball out the park in the final 10 minutes as we pushed for a winner, you could see we weren’t at the races.
When you are matched all over the pitch by the bottom side in the league who are also playing for 70 minutes with 10 men – then the players need to have a long hard look at themselves.
Although we were forced into a couple of changes I believe the manager is over tinkering with the team. If he has one eye on the Europa League then he has to realise the SPFL is our bread and butter. We have a lot of games coming up but we need stability in the back 4. It was the foundation for our run in the Europa League qualifiers.
The final ball was again very poor at times and we looked like a team devoid of ideas.
Goldson who was rock solid early on is looking suspect at times. Is this due to the chopping and changing of his defensive partner? My preference is Katic and Goldson.
I’ve seen some posters blame Morelos – he wasn’t even playing! This is the type of match Lafferty should be thriving in.
I’ve seen a poster say Tav shouldn’t be captain? Changing captain would have no bearing on the result.
Others are blaming the referee / linesman - forgetting we benefited from a decision against the Jambos. And we shouldn't be relying on these decisions anyway. not against 10 men. And not against a 10 men who were willing to have a go and not sit in and defend.
Others are slating Middleton – an 18 year old. Some are blaming Ejaria who never really had a chance to change the game.
I also felt McGregor was too far of his line at the goal. But that would be harsh on a guy who’s saved us numerous times already this season.
To those who have lost faith in Gerrard? Get a grip.
We have to remember Gerrard’s only had one transfer window. Results like this will highlight the areas that need improving.
What was going to be a big month of games has started disastrously but there is still a lot of football to be played. We go again on Thursday – a chance to secure European football after Xmas.
Yes the result was disappointing, yes the performance was poor.
But let’s not over react – keep the faith.
In Gerrard We Trust. Let’s Go! 55.
10 Dec 2018 12:38:24
what is the point in staying in Europa league? the money ain't that great and we are never going to win the thing.
10 Dec 2018 18:31:32
the money is better than what's in offer in scotland. europa league - more money in the kitty for players. are you saying we shouldn't play in it and hope to win the league. big ask with the players we have, not chance to replace with little income.
11 Dec 2018 00:25:28
@jbf500 - so what's the point of trying in the SPFL as according to you and others we're never going to win it?
10 Dec 2018 10:24:33
Ffs guys we have had 2 poor performances and fans want this one sold that one dropped get a grip. If your a football man and watched the 2 games it's is clear as crystal that we need a central att midfielder and I'm sure SG and my are working on that at the mom.
Those 2 games we have been effectively playing with 7 defensively minded players in the team that r more suited to winning the ball not creating and running at defenders. Ej is the only one in central mid that I would class as att mid and he is pants and off form atm.
Where I will agree is that SG needs to stop tinkering with the defence we need a settled back four and stick with them and stop trying to keep everybody happy. When we play well that team should remain first pick in the next game as it builds trust and confidence. Players who r sitting on the bench should be told that they should be happy to be part of a winning gers team and they will get a chance threw injuries and suspensions.
10 Dec 2018 12:27:44
Been more than 2 bad performances.
10 Dec 2018 14:15:57
Twice against Aberdeen, livi, hearts, spartak, Dundee and Celtic. Yes there is improvement but sg needs to get the finger out .
11 Dec 2018 00:13:31
@stewartyblue - spot on mate. 👍.
10 Dec 2018 09:31:40
Steven Gerrard is getting a fair bit of stick from our own supporters, after another inept performance, against dundee yesterday. Some now calling him "THE TINKERMAN"! I still totally believe that gerrard will in time, be a very good rangers manager, whereas some of our fans want to right him off just now!
ED, could you please put a poll out there regarding what the feeling is now, regarding our manager? The poll being:
will steven gerrard make it and be successful as the rangers manager or is he the wrong choice and will fail as rangers manager?
Cheers ED, as usual very much appreciated mate!
{Ed033's Note -
Steven Gerrard Future Poll
10 Dec 2018 09:53:17
ive always believed that gerrard was the wrong man for the job and even now bar a couple of great wins in europe I've seen nothing to change my mind, however he is here and i believe if he is given time he will be a relative success but not a title winning manager unfortunately.
some of his comments about players not following instructions etc is really alarming and really sounds like the first stages of losing the dressing room imho. i also think he has underestimated the size of the club and the job here but he has also underestimated scottish football in general as well. all my opinions but it does not mean i want gerrard out as so many do after a bad result as we've been down that road too often the last few years.
10 Dec 2018 10:02:37
The only way he will be classed as successful is if he wins trophies and I’m afraid I can’t see that happening anytime soon. He’s got to change his tactics 433 every game isn’t working.
10 Dec 2018 12:40:15
rabC. totally agree with you. Job is too big too soon for SG
i think he will be a good manager later in his career, benifiting from his time with us, but sadly too early to take us back to the glory.
10 Dec 2018 08:27:15
ArthurD
To answer your question concerning quality, yes of course you are totally right, not enough quality in the team, although Celtic are no great shakes they just seem to step up too the mark when required, sadly in league performance’s Rangers don’t, maybe they suit European play better? It is disheartening when instead of a certain win it’s either a defeat or draw, i. e. Aberdeen and Dundee, 5 points dropped against that sort of opposition for Rangers is. bad in my humble opinion.
10 Dec 2018 10:23:49
Gerrard has got to stop changing his back four or there never be any understanding, I know a lot of supporters love Tavernier but I would sell him in January, he can't defend and he's never a leader, new right back to play with goldston katic % borasic, goldston hasn't bin the same player since katic has been put of the team.
10 Dec 2018 07:51:53
Watched Sportscene last night and even the muppets Stewart and Thompson admitted that Lafferty's goal should have stood. We also should have had a penalty 2nd half. So if Lafferty's goal had been given, as it should have, and we had won 2-1 would the tone of the posts on here be different? Refereeing decisions like that are costing our team.
10 Dec 2018 08:40:32
yea it should have been given. but Morleos against hearts shouldn't have been so its evened itself out. always does.
10 Dec 2018 10:07:13
@doiger we can’t keep blaming refs for every game we drop points, yeah they were awful decisions but to draw against bottom of the league when they had 10 men nearly the full game.
10 Dec 2018 06:57:01
Ive noticed a lot of posters desperate for davis to return in january and by the looks of it many think he's some sort of creative playmaker. i'm curious to see why many think this. I believe tavernier has as many assists in this calender year than davis has has in the last 6 or 7 years combined.
By all means welcome him back, i won't but that's not what i'm asking, but as a creative attacking midfielder who appears to be the exact opposite of what gerrard is looking for makes little s.
10 Dec 2018 08:33:43
Davis even at his age would be an improvement in what we currently have however we need more in midfield including a creative player. Problem is they are very hard to come by and for all the money Celtic have they still don’t have one.