Rangers Banter Archive August 10 2013

10 Aug 2013 20:29:41
"THE GREAT STADIUM ROBBERY"
When will the press start asking questions about the finances of the club!

Does anybody know exactly when the club must present there interim accounts and what dates do these cover.

I am not certain but I suspect they won't show what is happening right now with the accounts? Does that give Stockbridge more time to remove more cash from the club.

When will traynor come out and advise the fans about what is really going on! ( fat chance)

Does the club expect the fans to disappear and not demand answers?

Will the accounts department and specifically the accounts controller Ken overmans come clean about what is getting removed or do you think he will use the same excuse as the last time he was involved with funds disappearing (remember him and whyte)

Do you think the clubs HR department should be having some serious conversations with the middle management and executive staff with regards to there conduct! ( I would like to think so but unfortunately the two members of the HR team are completely incompetent and have already sided with Stockbridge and Mather much to the complete dismay of 99% of the remaining staff) will traynor address this issue as a matter of urgency! ( not bloody likely)

There are serious issues that need to be addressed and I suspect that because the season has started the vast majority of fans are sick and tired of what is going on! But silence only helps the insider traders and the current board

Keep the pressure up and start demanding that the Scottish press start asking real and pertinent question.

Will the supporters clubs start demanding some more real answers to the real question the fans are demanding like the 50 questions that where mooted before the meeting. Has there been any minutes from the meeting passed to the supporters?

The supporters do have greater power than they realise it just needs to be embraced in the right way and pointed in the right direction!

When will board members start reporting to the fans instead of hiding behind traynor, Mather and Stockbridge.

Now I am a big ally fan and I would still give him time but he can help the fans by demanding answers from the board after all he has demanded answers before

Come on Ally start by helping the fans expose the "the great stadium robbery"

And finally the great and mighty Walter! He must defiantly know what is going on and if he doesn't then what was his role as chairman! Please don't think I am criticising Walters football role with the club during his lengthy tenure. I would certainly expect him to come clean about the skulduggery at the boardroom level unless as reported he has been silenced!

Let the games begin!

10 Aug 2013 22:58:14
If the media asks questions or produces anything negative, the accusations of hatred are flung about, the club threatens to ban them and some supporters threaten boycotts.

Accounts have to be published by 19th September.

But anyone who asks questions or dissents is in the pay of peter lawwell / new world order / jesuits / illuminati / dave fae ma local/ZOG
Whats a boy to do?

11 Aug 2013 02:11:43
@1 spot on. Any time the media report anything negative about the club, they're anti-rangers. You can't have it both ways.

Accounts will never be published - it's not the way Spivs work.

They try to avoid leaving trails of evidence that could compromise them.

Looks like the only way into Europe will be a cup win in 2018/19 season

Get a grip, nobody is complaining about the reporting of facts, but if you really believe there is no anti-rangers bias in the scottish/british media, you are an person. There are plenty of examples and i'm not going to waist my time retelling them as the likes of you will only listen to what supports your narrow viewpoint. Just to make you happy though, here goes 'I don't think any of the media are in the direct employ of lawwell, the NWO or any of the others in your ridiculous list', A great many however do just hate the rangers, as do you.

The media, jabba, walter and ally all know exactly what's been going on they know who owns the deeds they know where the moneys gone they know where the clubs heading the fat hack was brought on board to buy his silence and to keep his press cronies in check until the time is right the only thing hed actually done for his money is the infamous scripted erhmm interview with ally no my friend the only people not privy to the truth is the fans and this will stay the case until there is no more blood to suck or the fans grow a pair and stop turning up handing over cash hand over fist and being treated like mugs for their loyalty.

@6/ Are you serious? Please show your evidence. The reason Rangers are in this state was because the press never asked any questions but printed what they were told by the media. From Murray to Whyte to Green they had incredibly friendly press until the truth had to be told. Even now Murray is hardly mentioned when the whole thing is actually his fault. Remember his pledge to only sell to someone who could take the club forward? Or Whyte being a billionaire?

@6 Post 8 is correct mate- Murray started the "walls come crumbling down" and has got off far too easily. His legacy and name are in the gutter with Whyte and possibly/probably Green, Stockbridge and Ahmed

@9 don't forget SDM in there too mate! He is the one who started it all!

10 Aug 2013 21:44:02
Anybody know what's happening with the pandazza signing. Think we need him as perry to injury prone and lacking to be honest. Bob

11 Aug 2013 10:49:57
Good to see you have your priorities in the right place lol

PS Wonder who leaked info to the Sunday Herald?

#YouDon'tHaveToBeColombo

FFS Bob- we are going down quicker than the effn Titanic and you want more signings- I do hope you were having a laugh- in which case well done

10 Aug 2013 16:46:29
Leigh Griffiths double still 15 mins to play for Wolves. Signed a 2 year contract extension with option for a 3rd year.

Aye he's signing in January, terms with him and Wolves have already been agreed.

Wish I could remember the name of the pleb who was spouting those lies 3 weeks ago.

Maybe you could help Ed? Remind us all of who it was. I'm positive he left a name because I said at the time I was glad he did so I could come back on and shan him for his bullsh*t. My memory isn't what it used to be buddy.


Marbella Bear {Ed001's Note - I wish I could remember mate, I do remember reading your reply, just not his original post.}

10 Aug 2013 16:41:17
whatever happened to greens hugely expensive, club paid flat when he resigned? I suppose it was taken on a long term rent. who has been paying this?
has he been using it after he resigned?

10 Aug 2013 15:09:30
Hey guys are we still counting seats this season because there are 60,000 + empty seats at Parkhead today. oh wait I forgot they have sent their 2nd string to play a profitable glamour game against Liverpool in Dublin. not to worry I am sure the home gates for the European Cup qualifiers and league cup will make up some of the defecit. JohnnyG. Ally+Green must stay

@op lustig watt balde izaguirre kayal stokes couldn't be bothered naming the rest that's most of your first team also please enlighten us how much are you's getting from this lucrative friendly

10 Aug 2013 18:12:42
@1: dunno how much but it could be more than Rangers made from all their friendlies.

10 Aug 2013 18:14:15
@1: you've listed 3 first team regulars and one new signing. You forgot Forster but that's only 4 players, which isn't most of the first team.

@1/ £650k is the fee for both clubs.

@3 thanks for pointing that out and mattews so you can't get half of eleven so five is close enough lol @2 how much did rangers get for all their friendlys your as bad as the board hiding the figures

The ref blew for full time and the Celtic Mums shouted their boys in for their dinner lol

10 Aug 2013 21:09:34
@5: 5 players isn't a full team and the key word in post 1 is 'could'. Rangers probably made a bit in the Newcastle game but it wasn't televised so doubt it was as much as the teams made today.

It shows the class of crltic - invited to a glamour friendly and disrespect their opponents by bringing youth team. Shameful.

10 Aug 2013 23:02:05
@8: would you expect Rangers to send a whole first team if there were CL qualifiers coming up. It was a friendly - Celtic could have played the whole youth team if they'd liked - it's not about disrespect but sensible squad management. Disrespect is not paying tax or those small creditors due money.

@6 how does it show how class you's are I would say it's more to do with the connections that both teams have in Ireland also disrespect the pool who are you kidding the only reason Liverpool brought their decent players is cause they are still in preseason you's have played 5 competitive matches half the team will play regular for you's this season stokes watt izaguirre moyokolo Forster Matthews lustig so don't gies your p*sh about your youth team your fans are a joke you's only see and hear what suits your agenda

Celtic received 500,000 euros for share of gate and tv money plus appearance money

11 Aug 2013 10:59:40
@10: now in coherent English, please?

10 Aug 2013 14:00:19
Clearly the deeds and legal ownership of Ibrox and Murray Park was not raised by the 200 important fans.
This is the huge damaging secret that everyone knows but won't tell the ordinary fan. It's a huge conspiracy of silence on the subject. Bomber says everybody would go nuts.
But It's Charles Greens Achilles heel.
It will eventually come out anyway, why not now? IT WILL COME OUT.
Why no truth? The truth shall set you free.
A new open and truthful start. No spiv tricks. WALTER SMITH CAN ONLY REDEEM HIMSELF IF HE COMES OUT WITH IT.
Whoever comes out with the deeds truth is truely the fans leader.

So why does Brown not open his mouth (which he has been known to do on occasion) and spit it out? If he is wrong then the board can deny it andtake it from there.
Put up or shut up, I say

Why have the bears sat back for the last two years and let these chancers get away with one outrage after another.

Why have the legends (Ally, Walter, Sandy ect, ) never insisted on transparent answers and let the fans know the truth

The bears don't want to know the truth and the "Legends" are compromised - morally and financially

ps - why was Walter paid an EBT by Rangers while he was manager of Scotland and Everton- not long to find out now!

10 Aug 2013 12:08:57
1. Who is the only person of some authority and power at Ibrox during administration who is still there?
2. Who probably had more than a good bit of influence in attempting to sign Cousin when the club was skint?
3. Who insists on a 4-5-1 line up against Scotland's weakest teams?
4. Who has never criticised Murray AND endorsed Whyte, Green and Mather as CEO?

At this point I'll give you a clue, this person never got experience for their current job by the traditional route of cutting their teeth at say Dumbarton, Partick, Montrose etc. Instead, getting themselves several jobs in the media during those vital years.

5. Who was warned NOT to slag of Rangers biggest individual shareholder last week?
6. Who DID slag of Rangers biggest individual shareholder and didn't suffer the same misconduct breach as Sandaza?
7. Who took exactly a month to defend the squad after Green's criticism of the team last season?
8. Who has such an eye for a player that Ortiz lasted 6 months and Matt McKay 5. Neither of which were induced by administration?
9. Similarly who signed Stella, Kyle and Sandaza for a combined 35 games before being moved on?

Time for another clue. This person has arguably fired off more smokescreen cannisters in this whole debacle than anyone. Demanding to know who the members of an SFA panel were when Rangers representatives at the meeting could have told him in seconds. Their anonimity being agreed upon by every club in Scotland when panels were introduced. Accusing the SFA of bias more recently when two minutes with Rangers lawyers would establish the differences and more importantly that those said lawyers ASKED for the £50,000 fine. He blamed last seasons poor results on having no pre-season then loses this season after a wonderful pre-season where upon he blamed the wind and Charles Green pressure. He blamed the youthfulness of the squad for poor results last season when in actual fact a good number of the teams that beat/drew with Rangers were younger still.

10. Who has managed Rangers to 8 cup ko's in around 2 years despite being favourites to progress every single time?
11. Who has the power to rubber stamp damn near every Ibrox appointment due to fan trust despite clearly being wrong regards other individuals he has vouched for?
12. Who despite presumably having a fair idea of Ibrox finances still wants to sign more players and took a healthy £350,000 bonus for winning Scottish division 3?
13. Who is the highest paid manager in Scotland?
14. Who failed to blood any of his young goalkeepers in the remaining 5 league fixtures after the league was won last season while knowing full well that Alexander was leaving?
15. Who when asked if - supposing it were available - a £10 million transfer kitty would be appropriate in the humble context of SFL2 replied: "Probably not, but, if I am going to be totally selfish about it, I would have to spend it to get out of the division and KEEP ME, Ian Durrant, Kenny McDowall and the rest of the staff in a job. "

Final clue, this person will never ever manage another club again. Oh by the way, every question has the same answer, it's not a multiple choice.

16. Who left a meeting that saw Rangers fans seething, concerned and unsatisfied during the week with a big cheesy grin because Green (who he endorsed remember) was possibly going to get his arse kicked? Forget the rest of revelations of the night that would have left any Rangers fan ashen faced. And the reason for this? Quite possibly because of the 15 questions above.

Because he spends money that the club can't afford, takes bonuses it can't afford, has no eye for a player or tactics, is not by any means a money making manager on the park as his teams don't progress far enough to do so. Has endlessly endorsed dubious figures for the club, waits till Green was at his weakest before defending his players, finger points outwards endlessly and blames everything from board pressure to wind and inaccurate claims of youthfulness to cover his own failings. And is still in a job?

No wonder he was smiling.

Gaz

10 Aug 2013 13:02:05
Is the answer the man who is praising Craig Mather for massively overspending on players and very possibly putting us into another adminstration shortly? You know, the man playing one up against the mighty Brechin at Ibrox today the managerial legend that is Super Ally.

I take it from your rather long rant that your not a fan pf the manager, oooft. BT

Gaz why don't you login. it all allys fault? Hearing elsewhere this is the latest spin from media house. its not welcome here.

Only the board exec have any financial power!

Well done Gaz. I know as a hoop fan it probably gives you a lot more pleasure writing the truth than it does us Gers fans reading. It is however the truth- well done good contribution

@3) It's not all Ally's fault of course but he is unique in football, he can't be sacked because he's the only person you trust but a good number of you want him sacked because of his results. But he's the one person left you trust which sees him with a lot more power than we appreciate.

He reads papers, has his ear close to the ground presumably, in other words he is media savvy, I'll certainly give him that but surely therefore he knows the finances of the club better than most and these insane demands for more players are putting more nails in the coffin. Not to mention his tidy bonus.

Sure the board have the financial power but we know they can't sack him without a good percentage of you going crazy and up to a point I get that, they should not be trusted but as some of the questions alluded to he's not in there fighting tooth and nail on every decision for the betterment of you guys, he has endorsed some very dubious folk and more than been party to some of the massive over-expenditure.

Regards logging in, what does it matter, I'm not saying that in a sinister way, I've just never joined up, are there benefits lol? I surely can't be deemed as part of Media House's spin team I've been as critical of Green, Mather, Stockbridge as anyone, questioning their entire financial plan at length only yesterday.

Gaz

Gaz. Ally has 2% of shares, 5 kids and want to leave them something to be proud of.

He may have poorest managers record. but I don't think he will steal and run away with money.

Can you say that about SDM (not a penny, yet had £6m in EBT), Whyte (where did £4m for Jelavic go?), or Green and Imran (and his mum) who may have magiced £30m away

Rumours (as this site supports) are that Green/Imran feeding the anti-ally campaign as last hurrahhh

Green/Imran - just publish accounts!

Follow the money - if Ally taking £1 for his management team - that's 1 less million to pilpher.

@1) Well done mate, you know your football :)

Gaz

@4) Cheers mate, I've never wanted Rangers to die and I'm on record in here saying Rangers are the same club as before, saying otherwise is nonsense mischief making. But if there is one thing I hate more than spivs and charlatans ruining the sport we love then it is rather grey characters being painted as lily white and innocent throughout.

Gaz

Gaz

Great, articulate and objective post as ever. I know you're not pinning all the blame for the club's predicament on McCoist however in my opinion - as yours - McCoist has delivered just as much crippling, financial damage to RFC as a result of his sever shortcomings as a Manager.

Given the spate of redundancies which happened last month against the backdrop of McCoist's spend, spend, spend philosophy one cannot help but be cynical towards McCoist that because the cameras and the world's media were not aware (or simply not reporting) the severe cutbacks behind the scenes, McCoist did not feel the need to play the big hero again and forego any one of his signing targets, SFL3 bonus, appointment of Durie to add to the old-boys back room team of incompetents.

I can tell everyone that either Green's, Stockbridge or McCoist's bonus for winning SFL3 was the equivalent to a MINIMUM of 8 jobs.

I don't agree Ally cares as much as some fools on here like to believe! Perhaps come 18th September some fans will wake up to reality!

SPM

6. 'Rumours (as this site supports) are that Green/Imran feeding the anti-ally campaign'

Yes rumours. Funny how people want to believe the rumours that suit them and vice versa.

Well I want Green and Imran out of Ibrox as they're draining the club financially. As is Ally.

And finallly why won't Ally tell bears how he intends to vote at the EGM? He's all for transparancy when it suits his agenda.

@6) He has a good idea of the finances, can we agree on that? The club got £35,000 for winning Div 3, his bonus was ten times that, only his, forget that the rest of them got wired into the bonus trough big time too. Couldn't he have said hang on isn't this a bit steep (and completely bloody insane)?

The rest are 100% in it for themselves of that I have no doubt, Murray, Whyte and the current regime but he cannot fail to be implicated by his own actions, be it signings or that ridiculous bonus. let's face it even his basic is shockingly high for where Rangers are. As far as I know he is on a one year rolling contract, all TUPE legalities could have ceased before this season started. ie last year the board say, right Ally we'll honour 2012/13 but we really need to renegotiate from then on. Nope, never happened, still claiming way too much, demanding too much for his squad to convince me he is helping rather than hindering the situation.

Gaz

@6) So it's more palatable if Ally gets his million rather than Green etc. In other words you'd prefer Ally bleeding you dry rather than them, I kinda understand the logic but what about this novel approach.

What about not getting bled dry at all? What about supposed Rangers men 100% fighting it, opposing it and not making a personal fortune and making huge squad demands? We're back to qu. 15 again BECAUSE IT KEEPS ME, KENNY AND IAN IN A JOB.

Gaz

Well said SPM, Ally's bonus was also TEN TIMES what the club got from the SFL for winning the title, just to put that bonus in a further utterly insane context.

Gaz

Well said Gaz he is a 2 faced little creep who's tongue fits up every arse that let's him throw away fortunes and take £1, 400,000 out of the club he is supposed to care about at this time when we need to save every penny. I used to love Ally I now find him to be the most embarrassing stupid and by miles the WORST EVER Rangers Manager if he was not there MORE FANS WOULD UNITE TO CHANGE too many people are BLIND to all the s**** he comes out with and his management (trade description joke) inabilities. HE MUST GO. george

Lol George, you've now got me imagining Ally having a tongue that "fits one fits all" in the arses department. He has endorsed and pandered to them all when it suits and that may well be his enduring legacy in all this which is unfortunate but nonetheless his choice. He has made his bed here and an increasing number of you are realising it.

Gaz

How are your team faring in their massive friendly gaz or have you been glued to the rangers game. Sad.

Won 1-0 goal by Balde, watched the whole game, cheers for asking 16). But when one game kicks off at 12. 45 and the other at 5pm it's kinda easy to do both, like saying Ally's crap AND Green's crap. I can do both, you should try it some time. I notice you never queried the questions, just said sad, says more about you than me really, doesn't it?

Gaz

09 Aug 2013 20:10:10
Was asked to repost think it should be.

Rangers fans are completely divided over Ally and Green and Mather plus this board or that board.

STOP THINK AND READ THE FACTS

£10m LEFT OUT OF £33m (THE ACTUAL AMOUNT BROUGHT IN TOTAL)

RECKLESS SPENDING ON WAGES FOR PEOPLE NOT QUALIFIED TO DO THE JOB - Ally and pals PLUS Mather Green Stockbridge and pals (catering and security etc etc)

CUP RESULTS OVER 2 SEASONS FFS

ALLY SUPPORTS ANYONE THAT GIVES HIM A JOB DESPITE HIS CLUELESS MANAGEMENT AND EMBARRASSING COMMENTS/EXCUSES EVERY TIME HE F**KS UP. DRAWING DOWN £700000 (£1, 400,000 and bonuses by end this season IF WE AVOID ADMIN) FROM A DYING CLUB HE SUPPOSEDLY LOVES WHEN HE IS A MULTI MILLIONAIRE?

THE GREATEST RANGER JOHN GRIEG, plus MALCOLM MURRAY (decent man who tried to stand up to these CROOKS) AND WALTER SMITH ALL QUIT/DUMPED/SHAT ON.

But you blind/head in sand persons can't see past Ally's cheeky chappie boyz fae the westcoast crap FFS WHAT A NED/CHAV. Rangers Manager? Struth CAN YOU EVER IMAGINE HE or Souness or Big Jock or Grieg being so EMBARRASSING?

ALL THE ABOVE ARE THE FACTS.

FACTS don't LIE. BANK BALANCES don't LIE.

J McColl, Mr King (£20m LOST BUT STILL LOVES RANGERS AND PREPARED TO DO ANYTHING), P Murray (warned SDM and US ALL), Brian Kennedy, Keiron Prior AND LOADS MORE SHAREHOLDERS ALL SAYING SAME THING " GREEN IS A SHYSTER CONMAN AND A LIAR, THE BOARD ARE DESTROYING RANGERS A SECOND TIME. ARE THEY ALL LYING?

I CAN SEE SOME ARGUEMENTS AGAINST KING AND P MURRAY BUT OVERALL THESE GUYS LOVE RANGERS AND EVERYONE OF THEM ARE SAYING EXACTLY THE SAME THING

READ BAYBEARS LINK TO THE RANGERS STANDARD HITS NAIL ON HEAD!

SAYS IT ALL AS I HAVE HERE.

ARE WE GOING TO ACCEPT THIS OR STAND UP AND DO SOMETHING FFS FFS FFS

SICK OF ALL THE TALK/MESSAGES ON HERE (lafs mine excepted)

EVERYONE HAS IT OR YOUR KIDS DO OR YOUR WORK! ORGANISE MASS PROTESTS EVERY HOME GAME TILL THEY RESPOND

OR

ADMIN IN DECEMBER/JANUARY

ALL TRUE RANGERS FANS IT IS UP TO YOU I LIVE IN LONDON BUT I AM COMING UP NOT FOR GAMES BUT TO JOIN THE 100 REAL FANS THAT ARE DOING WHAT THE TIMS DID YEARS AGO

PROTEST OR DIE

YOURS IN RANGERS FOREVER. george

Best op from somebody he really cares.
Well said
Dounbear

What the f&ck has Ally got to do with anything. All that matters is that we got promoted last season! And here's a FACT for you he will take us up again this season:

Provided the current BOARD don't f&ck things up!

Ally doesn't set the wages or the fees paid for players, of which there are none. You are being fooled by C Green, this man has an agenda! He taunts anyone who challenges him with his bullsh!t. He has no class.

Anyone who bleats on about Ally is incapable of seeing the bigger picture, C Green is bad news, he attracts bad headlines, he wants to sell his shares.

At first I liked him, I liked how he talked. however that's what we needed then at that time. We do not need it now and he clearly is not capable of being anything other than destructive and aggressive!

Ally should not be hung out for wanting desperately to trust someone amongst all the chaos. So he got that bit wrong, seriously who gives a toss? He needs to trust the men who control the purse strings, it's his job to put a team on the pitch for Gods sake.

I understand your message, but please let's deal with one thing at a time and leave Ally to do his f@cking job!

RTID
GDog

Great post George but again
were is the proof Allys on 1mil
I just can't see a man who loves
the bears and remember he
worked for nothing at one point
taking that much out the club
billy h

Bang on billy

RTID
GDog

I take issue with the three amigos that you say were dumped and sh~t on

Rangers men you say - then why have they sat like three wise monkeys and said nothing while the fabric of the club has been torn apart

Any statement from them over the last two years giving the whole truth would almost certainly have stopped the charade dead in its tracks

The only reason for their silence is they are compromised - by complicity and financial gain.

Rot in hell if this is true

@3) D'you not think Ally would have come out by now and set the record straight about his 1 million a year contract if in was false. He wouldn't have to break any rules about discussing contracts, only say the reported numbers are wrong. Every time he gets the tactics wrong (regularly) or suffers a poor result (nearly as regularly) his 1 million a year contract is referred to and scrutinized so there is no doubt in my mind he would have passed comment about it by now, I mean he's used every other excuse under the sun so why not deflect the heat off himself if the claims are false.

I would bet my house on him being on the same salary as with oldco.

One thing is a dead cert certain in all this, as the clubs balance has gone down month on month significantly, McCoists bank balance has gone up month on month significantly.

And what about all the skins going on? The Murray park based chief scout best mates with ally rumoured kick backs? That got him sacked. That's club money being over paid going out on inflated weekly salaries.